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Tucker Went to Russia and Got a History Lesson

2024/2/14
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Brooke Gladstone: 本期节目讨论了塔克·卡尔森对普京的采访，以及普京在采访中关于乌克兰历史的论述。普京的观点并非新颖，他多年来一直声称乌克兰属于俄罗斯，并以此为由发动了对乌克兰的战争。节目还采访了俄罗斯调查记者Mikhail Zygar，他详细阐述了俄罗斯关于乌克兰历史的虚构说法，以及这些说法如何被用来为俄罗斯的侵略行为辩护。 普京: 在与塔克·卡尔森的采访中，普京进行了长篇大论的关于乌克兰属于俄罗斯的历史演讲，试图证明乌克兰自古以来就属于俄罗斯，并非一个独立的国家。他引用了历史事件和文化联系来支持他的论点，并试图将乌克兰的历史与俄罗斯的历史联系起来，以此来为俄罗斯对乌克兰的侵略行为辩护。 Mikhail Zygar: Zygar指出，俄罗斯的历史一直是由为国家服务的官方历史学家撰写的，更像是宣传而不是历史。他详细分析了几个俄罗斯关于乌克兰历史的虚构说法，例如斯拉夫民族统一的神话、伊万·马泽帕的背叛、乌克兰语并非独立语言以及列宁创造了乌克兰的说法。他认为，俄罗斯需要摆脱帝国主义历史，撰写人民的历史，承认其历史上的战争罪行并向受害国道歉。他认为，增加不同的历史叙事可以更好地理解历史，并以此为俄罗斯的历史研究提供了新的视角。

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Last week we learned that ousted Fox blowhard Tucker Carlson had gone to Russia. He was spotted eating fake McDonalds and watching a ballet at the Bolshoi theater. But Tucker was there for more important things than fast food and culture; he was there for a sit down with President Putin. Carlson was mainly silent as Putin delivered an almost 40 minute long speech on the history of how Ukraine belongs to Russia.

But the myths in Putin's and Russia's state-sponsored version of history are not new. Last summer Brooke spoke to Mikhail Zygar who had traced it back at least as far as the middle ages. 

 

This is a segment from our August 4, 2023 show, *Making History).*

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