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Never Ever Getting Back Together? The Trump/Elon Breakup

2025/6/12
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Kirsten Grind: 我认为埃隆和特朗普的冲突是多种因素共同作用的结果，他们性格相似，但长期积累的矛盾最终爆发。埃隆对“大美法案”不满，以及与NASA局长人选有关的争议都加剧了他们的矛盾。我对他们能维持这么长时间的关系感到惊讶。 Rick Wilson: 埃隆正在落入特朗普的陷阱，特朗普会先把你抛下悬崖，然后又发出和解信号，除非你彻底屈服，否则无法真正与特朗普重归于好。我认为目前的休战状态非常脆弱，因为特朗普会不断向国会施压，要求通过这项法案。埃隆试图扮演负责任的成年人，但这并不适合他。 Henry Blodget: 特朗普对埃隆的攻击是可预见的，因为特朗普一贯如此，而且许多人低估了特朗普政府对埃隆·马斯克造成的潜在损害。如果司法部调查埃隆·马斯克，特斯拉董事会可能会被迫解除他的CEO职务，这将对特斯拉的股票造成毁灭性打击。我认为埃隆要么清醒了，要么意识到自己正在做什么，或者有人说服他停止这种自杀行为。 Kristen Soltis Anderson: 共和党人一直更喜欢特朗普而不是埃隆·马斯克，埃隆在共和党内一直被视为一个好奇的人物。埃隆·马斯克在推特上对“大美法案”的批评，听起来像是十年前自由党团的回声，但特朗普最终赢得了共和党初选，而不是特德·克鲁兹。共和党人认为特朗普是建制派，但他仍然带有一些局外人的色彩，埃隆想利用局外人对抗建制派的动态，但无法将特朗普定义为建制派。

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The panel discusses the reasons behind the falling out between Trump and Musk, considering various factors such as policy disagreements, personal conflicts, and the role of social media. Experts analyze the motivations and potential consequences of the feud.
  • Trump and Musk's falling out reveals insights into the GOP, the electorate, the intersection of tech and politics, and the personalities of both men.
  • Multiple incidents, including disagreements over policy and personal slights, contributed to the feud.
  • The experts debate whether Musk or Trump is more relieved by the temporary truce.

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After reportedly speaking to President Trump on the phone, Elon Musk took to Twitter, on Wednesday, to say he regrets “some” of his tweets about President Trump — but that doesn’t mean all is forgiven. As the dust settles on last week’s cross-platform showdown, the long-term consequences from the breakup of the world’s richest man and its most powerful one are just beginning to emerge.

So, Kara gathered a panel of four expert guests to unpack how the feud ignited, who holds the most leverage, why a ceasefire took place, if it’ll last, and what it all means for the future of tech, politics and power. 

Henry Blodget is the co-founder and former CEO of and editor-in-chief of Business Insider. Before that, he was a tech analyst on Walls Stree. You can find him on Substack at Regenerator). 

Kirsten Grind is an investigative business reporter at The New York Times), the author of two books, and the winner of more than a dozen national awards. 

Kristen Soltis Anderson is a pollster, contributing Opinion writer for The New York Times, author, and co-founder of Echelon Insights).

Rick Wilson is a former Republican political strategist and ad-make. He is a co-founder of the Lincoln Project and you can find him on Substack) or listen to his podcast The Enemies List).

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