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Very cool. And then we have our good friend Joe Burrow, who we interviewed at the end of Super Bowl week. We are going to talk a little Super Bowl fallout. Max's night with the Eagles. Hot sequel thrown.

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And we're out of football season. It was a sad realization waking up on Monday. I think we all felt a little bit empty. Monday night, I ate a bunch of Girl Scout cookies and I rewatched the Super Bowl. That's pretty good. It was on TV. I was just like, I need something to watch. And I just turned it on. I was like, I guess I'll just watch this again. I like that a lot. I started to get back into shows again on Monday. Yeah. I watched The Night Agent.

And that's about that's it was very strange not having like sports bouncing around in the back of my head constantly thinking about what's going to happen in football. And then Tuesday comes around and thank God or excuse me, Monday night comes around and thank God that the sports gods decided to bless us with Lucas debut. Yes.

Luca, everyone's ready for Luca. Shout out LeBron for letting Luca be announced last. You see that story? LeBron had it. He texted Luca and said, hey, you know what? I'm going to let you get introduced last. And then Luca was like, thank you so much, but you'll go last after this. I'm just going to do tonight. And we now have everyone breaking down Luca's smiles. There's a lot of tweets being like, look at Luca's smile.

I saw that. I was also very confused by LeBron James. Yeah. We all know that LeBron James in the past has said a lot of things, sometimes confusing. But one thing that he said that was very clear was back in 2015 when he told his teammates kind of in a passive aggressive way online, stop trying to find a way to fit out and just fit in. Yep. Apparently last night he told Luca, don't worry about fitting in. Just go out there and fit out. Oh, nice. So I don't get it. Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's reversed. He's just got to fit out now. But that doesn't make any sense. Is he saying that he's out of fit, like out of shape? He is out of shape. Look at all. Yeah, it's just a lot of people being like, Luca looks so happy. He's never been happier. He's never smiled before. Luca's smiling on the bench after the first time out.

That's probably because he's sitting, and it's painful for him to stand because he's so out of shape. He did look kind of big and pale in that Lakers yellow, didn't he? Yeah, I'm telling you. Lumbering up and down the court. Lack of aura. But yeah, Luka and LeBron, they're officially a go. Look at that smile. It's so insane how many people.

So many people talking about Luka's smile. Yeah, he's been saved from the basketball Siberia that is Dallas, Texas. Yeah, listen, he finally will get to play in the playoffs this year. Yeah. Wait a second. Also, did you guys see in Dallas, they finally started, so I think it was their second home game since the trade. They started letting fans actually be on the Jumbotron again, and then a fan got kicked out. They were doing like a sing-along portion of it.

And they went to this guy. He was fake holding a microphone and he was singing. And then he just looked dead into the camera. He just said, fuck Nico. Yeah. He got kicked out. They kicked that guy out. Everybody in Dallas. Like if they show you on the Jumbotron there, you should say, fuck Nico. Oh, so funny. I like that a lot. So petty. Yeah. Luca, the Luca show. I'll tell you what.

I think it might be Austin Reeves' team. It's not Dalton Connects. If you want to talk about body language, he did not look happy. Well, he had zero points last night. It was disgusting. They didn't even... JJ Redick probably did the right thing and said, like, you don't have to worry about playing. Well, they're... It's like a he said, she said. They're contesting the Mark Williams physical, so there's still a chance that Dalton Connects... But they're also saying, oh, the Hornets wanted to trade for you. Like, we didn't want to trade you. Yeah. But, like,

you know, business. They just wanted you so bad. So Charlotte, they're the ones that are contesting the trade. They're like, no, he didn't feel the physical. Yeah. It's actually, he's in the best shape of his life. Yeah. Yeah. So they also, they also came out with a Mark Cuban report, which was like, he really, you know, tried to convince Nico not to do it. But by the time he found out the deal was done, which I imagine like a movie, uh,

Like Mark Cuban fell to his knees at Walmart, actually. Yeah. Like wherever he was when he found that out, I think he actually fell to his knees. Yeah. Mark Cuban was the woman when Trump in 2016. Yeah. Oh, Luca. They told him late. And Mark said that the biggest mistake of his entire career was trading Steve Nash. And he's like, I don't want to make a mistake like that again. Yeah.

And they told him he didn't agree. Signed Jalen Brunson, too. Yeah, that's true. So he's made a couple of mistakes. Yeah. They just gave him a heads up like, hey, Mark, just so you know, we're going to do this thing that you're going to hate and you are powerless to stop it. But but in defense of us, Mark, Luca is he doesn't he doesn't want it enough like a guy like Shaq. Right. Yeah. So that's what's going on here. Did you guys see?

Turns out the boycotters of the Super Bowl were not great because it hit a record 126 million views. Now they've changed how they've got footballs back. Nice job. Football's back. They have changed how they determine it. I think they're just counting everything now. But still, for all the people who are like, I'm not watching this. You kind of got left out. What? What? What? Hank, say it. It's a podcast.

ratings have never really made sense. So this isn't a current thing because the Nielsen box, every time I heard how that system works, it didn't really add up. It makes sense. This makes, if they're just adding streaming numbers, like they could just make up numbers. Correct. Which is what I guess, you know, all platforms and stuff do.

That means nothing to me. Now, in other news, our boycott worked phenomenally. The Pro Bowl had its lowest ratings ever, I believe. So we boycotted the right thing. So we boycotted the right thing. People followed us. Made a difference. But then that means that we were just so starved for football that everyone just tuned back into the Super Bowl. Yes. Yes. Max. Max is back. Max. Our conquering hero. Max Salente, world champion. Max, how are you feeling?

I feel... I feel... I'm here. Okay. Very hungover. How was the flight back? Were you surrounded by Chiefs fans? Yeah, I was surrounded by Chiefs fans. Surprisingly, there was a decent amount of Eagles fans on that flight to Kansas City, which was...

They're probably just going to pillage the city. Yeah, I don't know what... There was one guy that... I was sitting in the seventh row, the first one past first class, and there was this one guy who... No big deal. Yeah, that's comfort plus for all the people listening at home. Yeah, comfort plus.

There was a guy who literally just stopped dead in his tracks, and he just looked at me and was like, what the fuck are you doing on this flight? The last guy you want to see. Shout out that guy. It's like Max and Russell Wilson. The two last guys you want to be sad next to. He didn't sit next to me. He was just walking down the aisle and saw me, and he was like...

He was just so disappointed that my face was what he saw after losing the Super Bowl like that. So he probably like that's his worst nightmare. Like he went to bed just having nightmares about Philly fans like Max bouncing around his head. He's like, he's everywhere. Yeah. That motherfucker is not real. So tell us about Sunday night after we left you, after you did a bunch of shoeies.

You went out. You partied. You're with the team. I was with the team. That's incredible. Big Dom absolutely hooked it up. We got into the section with the players and their friends and family and stuff. So that was cool. We were a little bit late getting to the party. So some people were...

Leaving as we were coming in, but there were still, I mean, there were still some big names in that little section. Give me some names. What names were in that section? Yeah, and also give us names of people who maybe came up to you instead of you going up to them. That's only one person. And? I would like you to guess. I think you'll get it within two tries. Okay. Okay.

Reed Blankenship. Reed Blankenship came up to me and was like, wait a minute, you're the guy from Barstool, right? Hell yes. Shout out Reed. So shout out Reed. That's my guy. But I mean, all jokes aside, that was a surreal moment. He's been an integral part of this team all year. He was great. And then being at the Super Bowl after party and then him coming up to me and I was like,

Why this should this should be the other way around. No, that never gets old. That never stops to like that never ceases to blow my mind. When we were when we interviewed Lane Johnson, Cam Juergens was like, oh, what's up? Big Cat is we're walking in the hallway. I was like, oh, shit, that's fucking cool. You're about to go play in a Super Bowl. So who else did you talk to? Did you see Nick Sirianni? I saw Nick Sirianni was getting after it.

Yes. Like, absolutely. He was just walking around with a cigar in his mouth the whole time. There was like a server that would come around. He was ripping tequila shots. As he should. He was having the time. He went up on stage and he did that whole thing.

What's that whole thing? He's saying... Speech? Talking? No, no, no. Yeah, we know that whole thing. You're now explaining... Coaching? We didn't go to this party with you. You know that. Well, it wasn't like it was online. It's a famous thing that Nick Ceriani does after he wins a Super Bowl.

It's kind of his deal. That whole thing. He sang my way? No, he sang this. I can't play the song. Oh, vibing. That's what this tweet says. No, but he sang a song that was like talking. It was basically everybody's talking all this stuff about me. That's what. Okay, that's good. I don't like that from Hank at all. Hank didn't like the song choice. Hank, what song would you sing on stage? What would be the Hank thing that he's known for? I'd play Don't Stop, Rick Ross. That's what they played at the first Super Bowl party I went to. It was electric.

Okay. Yeah. Sexy Red was the performer. Oh, nice. All right. And then who else did you talk to? Did you take pictures with anyone? I took no pictures with anyone. Why? That was what I woke up. I woke up ready to see the chaos. It's good because you're in the content game, and it's better if we just don't have any pictures. Yeah, I took no pictures. Well, I don't know. A million people are going up to them asking for pictures. They're trying to enjoy their Super Bowl night, and I just wanted to...

Yeah, but... I just wanted to enjoy everything that was going on without being annoying. Okay. But... But then you were a million and one pictures. It's not... I mean, there's... As someone who's been there before, you're going to want to look back and...

regret. You're going to at least you'll have those. You can just look back on the memories. Yeah, which you definitely don't. I mean, no, I'm not really doing a good job with you. No, I was I was I was living in the moment. Okay, it was great. All right. So did you talk to anyone else? Did you? Yeah, I walked in the first person I saw. The first people I saw were Chris O'Connor and Shane Gillis. Okay, love it. So they were

They were fired up. Funny Chris O'Connor side note. He was texting me throughout the Super Bowl demanding that I ask John Gruden why the Eagles wouldn't do a play-action play and throw it over the top. He literally would be like, can you ask Gruden? I think my first reply was, ha ha, I will. And he's like, no, I'm dead serious.

ask him right now. And he just kept on texting me like, it's open, it's open. And then they hit the Devontae Smith touchdown. He's like, see, it's open. He was just obsessed with it. Chris O'Connor was all... Hit him over the top. He was the main character of that party. He rocks. He was forming a dance circle and only himself was in the middle dancing in the circle. It was awesome. What was Pug doing at this party? Pug was...

I mean, Pug got a picture with Sirianni. Okay. Good. Can we see that picture? I haven't seen that picture yet. We'll pull up that picture. Where can I find this picture? So Pug took one, Rowan took one. You were just like, nah. Nah. I want these guys to be friends with me for life. Like, what?

I bet you Nick Sirianni's like, who is that fucking dude in the booth that didn't ask for a picture? I need that guy. I do like how in Max's mind he's like, you know, me and Sirianni, we're too close for that. That would be weird if I went up to him and asked him for a picture. It's like, I can do that whenever I want.

Yeah, no. Looking back, I probably should have asked for a picture. I get it, though. You don't want to be annoying. They got cameras over, but I'm telling you, at that point, they do not give a fuck. And in 10 years, you're going to be like, yeah, I kind of wish I had a picture of that.

Yeah. Jalen Hurts was also there. You know what? And the beauty is... Wait, I want to hear about Jalen Hurts, but the beauty is memes. I would like you, for the next day, find every picture that Nick Sirianni took with someone and just do the Max face. So that way we have a bunch of pictures of Max with Sirianni. Every single one. All right, so Jalen Hurts was there. Did you talk to him? No. So Jalen Hurts was there, but...

He was in, like, a different section within the section. That sounds... That also is... That sounds about right. Yeah. Like, every... But he was kind of, like, one in his own in that section. Like, other people would come into his section. Yeah, he's Super Bowl MVP. But, like, everyone else was in, like, the mix of everything. And he basically had, like, security going in and out of that section. And, like, as soon as he moved everywhere...

Everyone just had a phone just filming him walking around. And you were in the player section, though. So then there was a party section that was different. Right. There was this pug. Pug. What? What an arrival. Nothing. No pictures. No nothing. I thought you didn't make it in. Me too. I saw Chris's Instagram post with you in it. I was like, oh.

He made it in. I was worried when I woke up. I took a picture with Chris. Oh, nice. No, no, no. Chris probably asked you to take a picture. No, I won't. Me, Chris, and Big Cat were in a group chat being like, we got to meet up. We got to meet up. So then once we did meet up, I sent Big Cat a picture of us. Wait, so yeah, I woke up the next morning. I was like, oh, fuck. They didn't get in. This is bad. I went to sleep. I didn't help. And then it turns out you got all the way in.

Yeah, no, we were in until it closed. So what time did it close? I think 4. Is that right, Pug? Pug's here. Pug. Pug. I believe 3, potentially 4 a.m. Pug, how was it? Tell us everything. It was just seeing all your favorite players right after the Super Bowl celebrating. It's just like...

So surreal. How was asking Nick Sirianni for a picture? It was like a very quick... He was in the middle of doing pictures with other people and it was just a quick get in, get out. Love it. So you didn't bother him. Yeah. No. It took two seconds of his time. Here's the thing, Max. You didn't want...

We didn't need a picture of Sirianni, Max, because you gave a recap in words that describe it better than a picture ever could, because it looks like right after you left the party at 3.08 a.m., you tweeted, Sirianni was so sick tonight. Yeah.

I was drunk tweeting all night. Wait, so what did you... That tells me all I need to know. Let's print that out, and then you can look back on that in five years. Yeah, put that behind you. Remember how sick he was? We need that frame behind you. The night you partied with the Eagles after winning a Super Bowl. Sirianni was so sick tonight. Wait, so did you guys... What did you guys... Can we see the picture of Sirianni and Pug? Uh...

By the way, every time I see a picture of Pug, I just, I audibly am like, he's just the cutest. I think, I don't know why. I'm just like, he's just the cutest guy we got. You remember that, that chill guy meme that went viral, like, I don't know, two months ago. Yeah. Pug is the chill guy. He's just a chill guy. Yeah. I also like, I'm so pro going to a Superbowl by yourself like that.

Like, that friendship and bond. Because, like, I have a buddy who went to one of the Patriots games with, like, another guy we work with that was a random connection. And, like, they still will be like, that's my best friend for life. I was explaining it because people were kind of roasting me and PFT being like, why would you buy one single ticket? I was like, dude, it's the Super Bowl. They're going to... Connor made best friends with his seatmate, too. Yeah. And, again, it's like I've...

The Eagles winning this Super Bowl and the way they did it has made me get to relive the Patriots Super Bowls. That's all I did yesterday was just re-watch the Seahawks, re-watch the Falcons. That's awesome. I love that, Hank. I don't care. It's true. You guys are talking about no football. I spent probably two hours watching just Patriots, Seahawks, Patriots, Falcons, Patriots, Rams.

And those memories that you have, like this night, it's the best. Wow. The farther away it gets, the better it gets. That's what I've learned in my wisdom of like, this night will get better with time. Well, not for Max. He has literally no memories of it. This picture is awesome. The happiest picture is all time. You look sick, Pug. Unreal. With the cigar, like that...

But the farther away you get, you're going to be like, that was so sick. And it just gets sicker and sicker and sicker. The funniest part about watching Hank react to Max talking about the night is Hank just thinks back. He's like, yep, that's how the Super Bowl parties are set up. They got that other special section right there. Then you got the players. Yeah, I know all about that. Did they have a bathroom for you that was different than everyone else's? Nice. Sick. Same. Until somehow the Celtics, like Missoula, shout out to Coach Missoula, but...

The first Super Bowl party I went to was the best night of my life. Like, until the parade. Max, have you been invited to the parade? Um, no. Okay. Do you want to get invited to the parade? Let's get Pug on the parade.

I don't know. Yeah. It's Valentine's Day. That's big issue. That's the issue. I was thinking about that. There are going to be so many dudes in Philly that are like, I'm going to go out to Bray just for a little bit and then I'll come home and we'll go out on a date and have our night and they're just not going to come home. A lot of pukes at dinner. After being gone for eight days and then being like, I had the...

Most unreal night ever, but I need to have another one is going to be a tough. That's going to be tough. So wait, so I didn't even ask. What'd you guys do when the party ended? Did you go to a bar or did you go home? I, we went home. Pug wanted to go to Bourbon Street at like, at like three 30. Fuck yes. What an animal.

Once the game ended, there's just swarms of Eagles fans like, we're all going to Bourbon. So I still was feeling that energy a little bit, but going home was the right move. Yeah. And then, Pug, how was your flight through Kansas City? Were people like, God damn it? My flight was through Atlanta. Oh, okay. All right. So you didn't do the Kansas City connection. But there were some issues, weren't there, Pug? Yeah, we got delayed, then delayed again, then de-boarded, then delayed, and then we were back.

So what time did you get home? Like 2 a.m. Oh, my God. We're back. How many times did you look at this picture during the flight? Like two to three. Yeah. Pug. Pug. All right. So, Max, scale one to ten, how unhealthy do you feel?

Nine days in Bourbon Street. Like yesterday, yesterday was like I was sitting at the airport. I was about to go get food. And then I was like, I shouldn't eat anything right now. I ended up getting Lunchables. That was my lunch. Nice. Hank, that was my lunch. What? Do you not remember that debate? Mount Rushmore. Mount Rushmore. Yeah. So I had that and then I had, you know.

A salad for dinner. Yeah, salad. I got a salad for dinner. You have to eat something green. I'm going to diet. Heavy, heavy diet started yesterday. You got to book a trip to like a sauna or something. You need to sweat. Yeah. Usually for like 50 minutes. Yeah. Just to get it out. Kind of started. The toxins out. But you're going on an exercise vacation. Exercise vacation. Fitness vacation starts next week.

You're going to ski like twice. He's going to drink so much more than he skis. I'm also going to a John Summit concert again. Okay. All right. So any other Super Bowl thoughts? I mean, I had a thought while driving in this morning. Is Patrick Mahomes a Kyle Shanahan merchant?

Yes. Yes. Two out of three of his Super Bowls against Kyle Shanahan who can't win the big one? Yep. Interesting. Is he a Kyle Shanahan merchant? Interesting. Yeah. Well, he's had two very bad losses in Super Bowls. Very bad. So I saw a chart.

Someone was like, hey, if you think that this first half was like the Tampa Super Bowl, it actually was so, so, so much worse. Patrick Mahomes, that was the worst half of football he has ever played. Maybe the worst half. I saw a stat. It's like maybe any quarterback of all time. Yeah. Top 10 worst performance ever. There was a chart I saw that was like worst play stretches in the Super Bowl.

And Mahomes had like the worst four or maybe eight play stretch in a Super Bowl all time. He also had one of the, he had the best four play stretch, which was all in garbage time. Oh, at the end? Yeah, the throw to Xavier Worthy definitely, which I agree with everyone. Like you can't count stats after the Gatorade bath. Yep. That was after the Gatorade bath that he made that throw. It was an incredible throw. It was a sick throw. It was also all the backups. Yeah. They'd taken away the whole starting lineup.

Yeah. Strike from the record. Also, I mean, Mahomes has had to get to the AFC, too. Yeah. True. Pretty impressive. True. But this is it's a bad it's a bad one. It's it's it's a bad one. I actually like Max and Rowan were on something with the Jalen Hurts thing. What? He might be. I think he's better than Mahomes. Oh, I like that.

Their head-to-head matchups in the Super Bowl, Hurts has dominated them. That's true. If you'd only watched the two Super Bowls that Jalen Hurts and Patrick Mahomes played against each other, Jalen Hurts clears them by a million. Correct. And if you had just put the last Super Bowl on regular turf, then Mahomes would be even more of a Kyle Shanahan merchant. Yeah. I mean, we'd be having to talk about the Eagles being a dynasty right now. Mm-hmm.

You guys do have like a pretty... Do you have a lot of free agents? Yeah, we're going to lose a lot of guys. Oh, you are? Zach Bond? Zach Bond, Josh Swett, Milton Williams. What did you guys think about the... I'm going to try and bring some of them, you know.

The All-22 review, like that came out, I saw, with like all the sacks and all their, like Travis Kelsey, and they just, they got destroyed. Kelsey was not looking great on the film review. My All-22 analysis is that Lane Johnson's a fucking man. Yes. Every single time you see Lane Johnson, he's just bodying someone. That is a man that you don't want him to put his hands on you. Yeah. Yeah.

There was one that I saw that he throat punched a guy. Yeah, he was bodying Chris Jones. Yeah. Yeah, he was an animal. He just put him out on an island, too. He never had help. The Eagles were just that much better than the Chiefs. Did you see Kenny Pickett? No. At the party? Yeah, at the party. No, I did not see him at the party. That would have been cool. Yeah. What type of jumpsuit was Big Dom wearing? Big Dom basically got us into the party and then immediately left.

He had a lot of stuff going on. Yeah, he was like, yeah, he texted me the next day. The fact that he didn't got you in is super special. The Super Bowl after party is Big Dom's Super Bowl. Like, he's got to be on point with that. Yeah, as he was walking us in, C.J. Gardner-Johnson was walking out, and he was like,

He was like, Dom, I'm going to need a ride for me and all these people like immediately. And then he was like, all right, all right, I'll get to you in a second. Also, I want to see the Swifties are kind of at war. Oh, I do want to see it. I want to hear about that. But I just want to defend Big Dom for a second because I've seen this narrative being thrown around that he's like hunting for the camera. It's his literal job to be next to Nick Sirianni after a game.

Like, if you are upset that Nick Sirianni is getting a picture taken and Big Dom happens to be behind him, he's not looking for the camera. He's doing his job. That is his job. Shout out, Big Dom. Go ahead. Swifties?

Which C.J. Garner Johnson was the person. He posted on a story a picture of him and Kelsey. And his quote was, should have stayed with that thick shit. Oh. Yeah. So Swifties are fired up. They are. Well, there was that picture of Taylor that went viral like two weeks ago. I think they're also mad about her getting booed. And I think Travis Kelsey's ex-girlfriend might have been there. I think she was. But yeah, there was that picture. And it confirmed the fact that Taylor Swift does, in fact, have a leg.

And all the Swifties are like, oh, look how thick she is. Look how strong that leg is. Anyways,

And it was just like a leg. It was a leg. So now CJ is saying, oh, he should have stayed with the thick girl. And then now all the Swifties have responded by leaving bad reviews for CJ Gardner Johnson's mom's restaurant. Is that what it is? That's nasty. Nasty words. Swifties are sore losers. Well, they've never lost. They've literally never lost. They weaponize social media. That's what they do. They do. But that was their first big loss. Yeah. And it was huge. How do you respond from adversity?

I don't know. We'll see. She's going to put out a banger album about the Super Bowl. I think he's going to retire. You do? He looked old. He did. He did look old. He is old. He wasn't getting off the line. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the Chiefs just overall just looked bad. There was nothing. Andy Reid might retire. Chiefs run defense was pretty much all you can say was good. Is this Eagles team the best football team of all time? Oh. Because, well, hear me out.

You've got Saquon Barkley. I'd say maybe a top 10 running back of all time.

Right? The way that he's playing right now. Not in terms of longevity this season. Incredible. Talent-wise. By the way, just a side note. Shout out that one guy who posted a video of him pinning Saquon Barkley in sixth grade wrestling. Never let go of that. That was so good. Saquon won a Super Bowl birthday. He's like, hey, check out this time. Keep going. Saquon Barkley, he was in the MVP consideration. He had a great season. Yep. Top 10 season of a running back of all time. Mm-hmm.

The offensive line for the Eagles, maybe top 10 offensive line of all time. Defensive line, you could make the same argument in a pass rush, make the same argument. Impact rookies all over the place.

Great secondary. Shut down Patrick Mahomes. Quarterback better than Patrick Mahomes. Beat Patrick Mahomes in the Super Bowl. And we're talking about Patrick potentially being the second or going into this game the best quarterback of all time. A guy that just beat him, you would say that he's probably the second or the best quarterback of all time. Is this the best football team ever? Max, I already made this argument on Sunday's show. Did you say they're the best team ever? Yeah. Yeah.

He did. 16-1. I just started saying that we basically were undefeated. Yeah. He found a way to get out of every single one of their losses. So Eagles number one, Patriots number two.

Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. That doesn't matter because it's all you can make the argument for anything. But all that matters is they're both Super Bowl champions. And the Chiefs are not. And the Chiefs are not. And Patrick Mahomes is probably going to use his revenge and get way better and win another one right in everyone's face. Oh, you think he's totally done? Hank is unironically doing the washed trash. Yeah, you actually think Patrick Mahomes is done.

Like, we went along with the joke. He's got a long, long. But we went along. He's got a huge mountain to climb. If he can win five more Super Bowls to beat Tom Brady, good for him. No, you've become Max Kellerman. Wait, but when you did the wash thing on Sunday night, we were going along with the joke. Like, he is going to win another Super Bowl.

Maybe. Okay. All right. So he thinks no. You have become Max Kellerman. Either you die a villain or you live long. Or no, die a hero or live long enough to become a Kellerman. How many Super Bowls is he going to go to for the rest of his career? NFL is hard. It's hard to stay healthy. It's hard to get back. We've talked to all these quarterbacks and pros where it's like, you know, it's a constant narrative on the show. You never know. Probably one or two. Okay. So would you bet that he'll be back to at least two?

I would look at the other line. It depends how juicy the plus sign was. Who wins the Super Bowl? I'd probably take no. Okay. Who wins the Super Bowl first? Even though he's been to five out of the last seven. Yeah, but again, he's just a check down merchant now. Okay. Who wins the Super Bowl first? Patrick Mahomes or Drake May? Drake May. Okay. We come here. Okay.

We know you're on Hank's side, but you killed him. Tom Brady will never have tape like that first half tape, no matter what. That will be on his legacy forever. That he had a chance to do something legendary and came out with the worst performance in the history of football. He played worse than Sam Darnold did.

Yeah, he was very bad. Do you think, Max, is there anything to be said that Carson Wentz is your good luck charm because the Eagles have two Super Bowls when Carson Wentz is on the sidelines? Great point. You need to find him an AFC team next year that will be in the Super Bowl and just have him out there. You're undefeated in the Super Bowls when Carson Wentz is a backup somewhere. That's an excellent point. He also kind of didn't – I reviewed the tape.

kind of shaded Jalen Hurts after the Super Bowl. I couldn't fully understand if it was he never saw him, but Jalen Hurts was kind of looking to give him a high five and Carson Wentz was walking in the opposite direction. Interesting. So we'll just go with that. Do you think Carson Wentz still thinks that he's like, if that were me, I would want to. Oh, for sure. I would say good luck charm is more Nick Foles. Nick Foles.

even posted it's really cool that Tom Brady got to be or I guess it's Tom Brady that's the good luck charm but Nick Foles pointed out Tom Brady got to be there for the Eagles two Super Bowl wins he might be the good luck charm well the good it's it's yeah Tom Brady yeah and also Tom Brady is was there for both the Patrick Mahomes Super Bowl losses yeah so he's so happy for Tom what do you review the tape all right so here's Jalen Hurts and Mahomes the Jalen Hurts goes towards Carson Wentz and Carson Wentz is like nah

Nah. I don't know. I just like the idea of that. I just like the narrative. There's so many people in between them. You know that you're going to go see the other starter. I don't know if it's customary or not to go see the backup right away. I just like the narrative. If it's Carson Wentz, you have to check in in town. Yeah, you have to. Just so you know I'm in your city.

Yeah. Hey, Jalen, that should have been me. Yeah. That would be awesome if he went out to him and said that. Just so you know, it should have been me. It's probably way better to not even make the Super Bowl than it is to make the Super Bowl and get blown out like the Chiefs, right? Yes. Yeah. So good job, all of us. Yeah. Let's play it all along. That's what Brady was saying. He's like, no one talks to me about when I've lost in the AFC Championship. I only get talked about about the losses in the Super Bowl. Yeah. Super Bowl is the biggest game. And the losses.

And shout out Jalen Hurts. Incredible story. Imagine getting benched in Alabama. Imagine having three Super Bowls and a negative point differential. That's embarrassing.

This is more Hank's Super Bowl than Max's. I literally felt like I won the Super Bowl yesterday. What are you going to say about it? I hadn't really thought about how bad it would have been, but after the way they'd lost, I can't really put into perspective how good it is to win. And I'm happy for Pug. I'm happy for Max. Hank and I have never been more in lockstep than we are right now. Absolute boys. What was your worst loss in the Super Bowl, Hank? It probably would have been that one.

The Eagles was. Wait, you're talking about this year? Yeah, that would have been. This year would have been. Wait, what were you going to say, Max? I don't know. This is a way more fun conversation than what I was going to say. It would have been, you guys, it would have been an impossible argument to make, and it would have just been a heaps that she said. Actually, I'll ask a question. Yeah, do it. Realistically, where do you rank Jalen Hurts as quarterbacks in the NFL right now? Right now, one. Right now.

And I'm ranking it if a team called, would they do like salaries out, take salaries out, would the team do a one-for-one trade?

I'd probably rank him. What if you're drafting? What if it's the league starts tomorrow, you have the number one pick? It's tricky with Jalen Hurts because I think that there's a bunch of teams that would not do a one-for-one trade with their quarterback, but Jalen Hurts is better than them in terms of how he fits in with the Eagles. I'd probably rank him fifth.

So, like, do you think Justin Herbert, do you think the Chargers would trade? I don't think they would, but... That's bullshit. That's bullshit. Max, I don't think they would, but I'm saying Jalen Hurts is a better quarterback. Jalen Hurts, it's not even close.

Justin Herbert is just a regular season merchant. And then as soon as the playoff, it's exactly what you don't want in a quarterback. Someone who looks really good in shorts and does bullshit during the regular season. And then as soon as the playoff comes, shits his pants. I agree. I'm saying Jalen Hurts is better, but I don't think the Chargers would make that trade.

I don't know. Harbaugh likes fucking winners. Fred, you get a fresh draft. You're number one on the clock. Every NFL player is available. I would probably. No, if you just do quarterbacks. You're drafting. Yeah, you're drafting Hurts over Herbert. Do you want to do a draft right now? I would probably make him fourth or fifth. Does that sound fair? That's fair. I would say top three, but I'm willing to go to top five. It's a combination of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, maybe Lamar, because obviously the playoffs, he hasn't been good. And then Jalen Hurts.

Like, he's somewhere in there. I think Mahomes and Allen are first. First two. You would agree. I think, yeah. Like, Josh Allen and Perch is above Lamar. Perch is above Lamar. You can't. There's no. Perch and Lamar have been in the same situation. Yeah. With both loaded rosters. Yeah. But Lamar cannot win. So four? Yeah. Yes. I'm all right with that. Four is okay for you? Four I'm okay with. Okay. I'd have him six. Six.

Who's your favorite? I don't know. It's a mystery. It's a mystery. I'm going to do a mystery top five, and then I've got, yeah, I got hurt six. It's a compliment. Six is high. There's a nice straight just saying, Alan is number one. You are. Mahomes should retire. Yeah, stop him. DeAndre Hopkins retired. He's already dead. Tough way for DeAndre Hopkins to go out being like complaining about the refs and then be like, I'm retired. Wait, was that not a fake Schefter account? Oh, it was.

Oh, I got caught then. I think you got Adam Scheffler. Oh, okay. I just saw DeAndre Hopkins retired, so yeah, I guess I got Adam Scheffler. He did not retire? Other people... Oh, there it is. Yep, that's fake. I got caught. All right, so he hasn't retired. He might retire. He should retire. Oh, yeah, Aaron... Yeah, have you seen Jerry's trying to get Aaron Rodgers to the Steelers? Yep. Hard. Rodgie. Hard. Rodgie. Okay. Okay.

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Hank, hot seat, cool drone. My hot seat was going to be CJ Garner Johnson, but we discussed that. Still tough to kind of come out of your Super Bowl hangover with the Swifties on your ass. They're not going away. Is it his mom that has that restaurant? I believe so. Yeah, that's tough. Or like someone in his inner circle. The other thing I was just laughing at, thinking how crazy of a tradition is, is the Super Bowl, like seeing Jalen Hurts at Disney World.

And we should have sent Max or Pug to Disney World instead of home. Because that's got to be the most miserable experience of all time. Yeah. What, Disney World? They have to go to Disney World at like 6 a.m. Yeah, but they fly private. They just go to a couple. I mean, the Tron ride looked sick. They've got beers at Disney World. Yeah, I guess that's true. The Tron ride was awesome. I was more just thinking like Max's state.

And if he had to just... Yeah, well, Max, I think Jalen Hurts going to Disney World, like flying private there, cutting every single line, getting to do some roller coasters and going home is not that bad. Max, yeah, we had sent Max. Maybe it's sent Max and like my kids. And then like Max, you have to go and take my three kids to Disney World. If we sent Pug, Pug wearing the Mickey Mouse ears would be very cute. Yeah, look at the Tron ride. How sick does that look? Oh, that is sick. Yeah, you're like sitting forward.

I want to do the Tron ride. Yeah, going on that hungover would be the worst. And then my cool throne is just John Gruden. I don't think... I mean, we didn't really talk about it that much on Friday, and we were kind of in the middle of Super Bowl week last week.

But coming out of it, I've spent so much time just thinking about John Gruden. I miss him. I miss him so much. We have a crazy, surreal job, and we have moments all the time where it's kind of like, pinch me, how is this happening? But going away from Super Bowl week and just being like, the amount of time we spent with John Gruden and how just...

He's unbelievably legendary of a guy. He is off camera, on camera, and just the fact that he just hangs with the... It'll be on PMTV, I think, but we had a dumb debate with him for an hour and a half. He was max. He's the best. I miss him. You spent the week in his house, too. Yeah, yeah. No, I would wake up and he would just be sitting there taking notes and give me a quiz when I would wake up. I'd just be like, what's going on?

He's always pumped. John Gruden is the most pumped individual I've ever hung out with in my life. I tease this at the end of the gambling stream, but I think I successfully talked John Gruden into coming for the first two days of March Madness, which I'm already just so pumped for.

I was like, do you watch college ball? He's like, yeah, I like any sports. I was like, do you want to come gamble with us for two days? He's like, I'd be into that. I was like, fuck yes. He's always fired up. Yeah. So, yeah, I miss him. I just miss him. Same. The only thing that really pisses him off is when people in the room are not adequately fired up. Yeah. He likes to have energy in the room. Yeah. And he, much like Coach Mizzoula, and that's, I think, just a trait of a good coach, like...

He just makes you want to be a better person. What are you going to say, Max? It's Hank. Hank is the one that he gets mad at for not having energy. You do need to bring the juice. No, I know. He makes me want to be a better person. He makes me want to bring the juice. He makes me want to just go hard. So are you going to be a better person? I'm going to try for now that I know he's watching. I mean, Mizula is the same way where it's like now that I've been blessed to meet him and be in his presence, I want to be better for him. How can you be better? Because he'll be disappointed.

I can try harder. I can go harder. That's kind of hurtful, isn't it? What? Hank has never considered trying to be better for us. Yeah, it's true. For this show, for us. You guys are like me. No, he just... What do you mean? I want to stay sharp for PFT. You think we're lethargic? No, but like... What? We go hard. Damn. You're not coaches.

Yeah, but I prep for this show and get ready for this show knowing that PFT is going to do the same. Your motivation is being aimed to me. No, no, no, but I want to bring my A game because I know PFT will bring his. Excellence brings out excellence. You have never once thought I want to. Not for the show. I'm talking about in life. Yeah, but this show is our life. Right, but John Gruden's not around you for your life. He's around you when you're working.

I get hard for you guys. Thank you, Max. Max gets real hard for us. I'm always hard for you guys. That's my hardest boy. It's okay. We just can't bring out of you what Missoula and Gruden did. It's fine. It just hurts. I just said it was hurtful. I didn't say that you're wrong. I just said it's hurtful. Some people in this world are self-starters. Yeah. And they don't need somebody to grab them by the face mask and tell them what to do. Other people need to have their hands held. And that's okay. Yeah. I mean, I guess that's fair. That's a fair point. Mm-hmm.

Broke his fucking face. Do we need to get harder on you? It's not like getting hard. He's not hard on me. It's just his energy. That was when we were having a tight end debate on Barstool Radio and Crude was like,

Gronk broke someone's face. And I was like, what? He did? I think he did. I think he's like, he broke his neck in half. Kyle Vandenbosch? Yeah. He's like, he broke his face. Yeah. Groom was like, I like that guy, but he broke his neck off. He broke his face. The only other thing that I was curious about...

was exactly how the gumbo finished. Like, how'd you finish that? I finished 15 gumbos on the last night. That's my guy. What'd you do? Hey, hey, hey, can I ask you a question about the gumbos? Did you need Gruden or Joe Mazzulli to tell you to do that? I did it all on my own. Wow. I said I was going to do it, and then I followed through because you set a goal, then you hit it. That's how you feel good about yourself. Love that about you. It's good to check shit off the list. I do regret doing the gumbo bet.

Just because it's not a bet, a challenge, the gumbo challenge, just because it made me miss out on so many other good foods that I could have eaten in New Orleans that I would love to have had. But yeah, I'd finish it up with two gumbos at dinner on Friday night. And yeah, then just went to see Ludacris. Pretty good show. Left before John Summit. Sorry, John.

Disrespectful. Embrace debate. Jack McCarthy's going to enough John Summit for all of us in this room. Embrace debate. Is it disrespectful to Ludacris to have him open up for John Summit? John Summit's pretty big now. Me and PFT were having this debate all weekend. Ludacris might not be as hot right now as John Summit. I think he's got like 20 more. Might not be? Well, he's...

You act like Ludacris is fucking chopped liver, Max. Bring up their monthly streams on Spotify. No, no, no. Don't do that. I'm telling you that John Summit is bigger than him right now. And it's by a good margin. But Luda still does very well. Luda's been doing this shit for 25 years.

He's in Fast and Furious. He's a megastar. A little disrespectful to Ludacris, even though John Summit is hotter, right? PFT was getting mad at us for saying we're going to the John Summit concert, not the Ludacris concert. Ludacris show. How many songs in the booth does anyone know by Ludacris? Total. Well, Max came up to me during the show and was like, I'm sorry for disrespecting Ludacris. He's got bad news. I love Luda, but it does...

It shows your age, I think. Well, no, it also just shows that John Summit is much newer and Ludacris has been doing it for 25 years. Talk to me in 15 years and let me know how hot John Summit is. I agree with that. Ludacris has more longevity. Yeah. All right, your cool drone? That was your cool drone. Your hot seat PFT? My hot seat is pitchers and catchers. Mm-hmm.

They're reporting. Yeah. I think the Cubs are there. The Cubs are the first to report. The Dodgers are there, first to report. I just remember watching part of the interruption when I was a kid growing up, and the first show after the Super Bowl would always be Tony talking about the beautiful cyclical nature of sports. Yep. We lose one, and we get rebirth. Yep. And so baseball's back. Peace.

Baseball is so bad. Baseball is officially back. We'll do our baseball preview in probably September. When we do dingers only. When dingers only, yeah. But yeah, they're reporting right now. And then pitchers and catchers go there first, and then everybody else just shows up all at once? Yeah. Yeah.

They don't hang out with the pitchers and catchers? I think pitchers and catchers have got to get a nice jump start. Just being weirdos down there? Just warming up their arms. Long toss. Do they just do long toss for a week, and then everyone else shows up? And then I think they just do plays to first for the pitcher. That's always the first video. Yeah. It's just like a pitcher running first. That's what makes the Garrett Cole thing even funnier in the World Series. In July sometime, there will be a ground out –

dribbler back to the pitcher and the United be like that's the first thing they work on in spring training is that which also means that we're going to get some pictures through chain link fences from reporters where they're standing like 300 yards away the blurriest pictures of all time being like look baseball's back baseball's back there's Shohei my cool throne is big men random big men are back

Because we've entered the stage of the NBA season where the Lakers don't have a big man. And so now people are just going on TV and saying the names of random big men who could fill in to play for the Los Angeles Lakers, even though maybe some of them have been out of the league for like four years. Yes. So Stephen A. Smith was making the case for Dwight Howard today.

Coming back, which would, I am in support of that just because it would be very funny. Yes. But I don't think he's very good at basketball. No, but I feel like he stays in shape. He probably does, but he's one of those guys that looks in shape, but he probably doesn't have any of the skills that he once had. Yeah. Like he looks ripped. It's kind of like a T.O.

Remember when T.O., 10 years after, was still ripped? And then he would run a 40 and be like, oh, yeah, that's the difference. The speed's not there anymore. So I'm going to say some other big men. Okay. Blake Griffin. Love it. Who says no to Blake Griffin? Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin says no. You don't think Blake Griffin? By the way, shout out Blake Griffin. Awesome. Five fouls. Awesome commercial. Red Lobster commercial. You see him dunking? Yeah. He's dunking everything. Spencer Hawes. Yes. Yes.

Done. Bring him back. But yeah, the Lakers need a center. So you can just say anybody, any tall man. Be like, yeah, I can see him get out there, give you some fouls. Get him out there. Perk. Perk caught a stray. He had a hard attack. Like instantly. Perk caught a shotgun blast from KD over the weekend. Yeah, KD was...

Not so happy about everything. Well, Perk is the guy that, like, the further away he gets from playing, the better he was. Oh, yeah. And I love Perk. I'll listen to him talk about anything. But he was like, yeah, I was a leader of that team. And Kitty's like, this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard said online this whole week. Yes. Yes. Okay. My hot seat is...

Glenn Taylor, because A-Rod and Mark Lurie have become official governors, or they at least won the arbitration to be governors.

Wait, what does it say? Lay off the burgers, Wendy. 35 minutes ago, that's it. Oh! Dwight Howard said lay off the burgers, Wendy. Well, I saw Stephen A. Smith bring it up and say, like, what about Dwight Howard? And Wendy was like, yeah, no, Dwight Howard's not going to play. He's about to go into the Hall of Fame. He's not going to come back and play. He's not in playing shape. Lay off the burgers, Wendy. Me. Marcus Cousins is a great one for that conversation. Oh, Boogie? Yeah. Boogie could definitely get back out there. Zach Randolph? Yeah.

I saw Zach Randolph. No. The... Lay off the burgers, Wendy. No, I think this is... Windhorse said, like, basically scoffed at the fact that Dwight Howard would come back. And Dwight Howard might be saying that because he's going to come back. What? So you're saying that Stephen A. Smith was right.

Yeah, he's being mean, though. Windhorst couldn't believe that Stephen A. Smith suggested the Lakers could sign Dwight Howard. Like, he's saying that Dwight Howard's retired. He's just not capable of coming back. Right. But then we follow that. So then Dwight Howard's saying lay off the burgers, Windy, meaning, like, he's offended that Windhorst thinks he couldn't come back. Yes. Right.

Dwight Howard's fat. But now Hank is taking that one step further and saying it's because Dwight is coming back that he took it so seriously. No, he's just being mean to Wendy. Yeah, I thought Windhorse said, like, Dwight Howard's coming back, and he said, lay off the burgers. No, I'm not. No, he's just saying Wendy's fat. But if you're Dwight Howard and you're sitting at home and you hear Stephen A. Smith mention your name, you think about it. Yeah. Stephen A. Smith's probably going to be president. Me?

That's true. We're just going to do that all the time. I think so. Either way, A-Rod and Mark Lurie, official governors of the Timberwolves, also hot seat court storming because now the football is over. We're just going to have this debate at any point. Did you guys see Vanderbilt actually doing a new rule? Would they do a minute timeout after the game?

So lame. Wait, what do you mean? They pause. They basically, if Vandy has a big upset at home, they pause everything for a minute after the game ends, and then the kids are allowed to storm the court. Oh, so they're giving them a constructive school-approved way. Yes. They set up points of entrance for them. It's Tim Wood's double consent. Soon you're going to have to buy an extra ticket to storm the court afterwards. Yeah, yeah.

So, uh, and then my cool drone is Lane Kiffin because, uh, he's just embracing the fact that, uh, his daughter's hot. I don't know if you guys saw, but he just tweeted out a article. Lane Kiffin's daughter, Landry slays, tiny shoestring crop top standing next to dad. He tweeted the article.

So shout out Lane Kiffin. Yeah. I mean, he's just hitting it face on, you know? I guess so. Like, here it is. I mean, you might as well just embrace it instead of fight it. Yeah. It's better than being like, if you were to tweet out, my daughter's ugly. Yeah. Which one would you rather have? Yeah. You just be like, hey, here it is. Oh, Max, I got a stat for you that I'm looking at my bookmarks right now. You ready for this one? You like this one?

If Nick Sirianni goes 6-11 and misses the playoffs for the next four years in a row, he will have just as many wins, just as many playoff appearances, just as many Super Bowl appearances, and one more Super Bowl title in his first eight years than Kyle Shanahan has in his. Look at that.

That's just facts. Those are facts. I said it to you. I know. Right. But you're doing good. Oh, I also brought the boot. I was meaning to show that when I first came in. It smells horrendous. Yeah. But you have to save it for next year, right? It might be. Do you think it's... Would you put it on for a Phillies run? No, you can't. It's got to be just birds, right? Yeah, you don't want to overuse it. I think... And then it runs out of power. That might be your must-win boot. Yeah. Yeah.

No, but then I'm going to be put in the situations of... If it loses. Yeah, I think it's just playoffs next year. Just playoffs. Because then you're going to use that against me. No. No, we would never. What are you talking about? Just playoff. It's a playoff. Max is getting a lot better at sniffing these things out. He's a winner now. That's the entire thing we were trying to do there. He's a winner. Didn't sniff out McCarthy, though. No. Doing fake ads. What? No. Oh, still doesn't know. Yeah. Oh, those are fake? Yeah. Yeah.

What do you mean? He was having to do fake ads to make you do more shoeys out of the boot. Did not know that. Did you text him to do that? No, he did it on his own. I think he actually... I don't think those were fake. No, they were fake. He texted us being like, I'm making him do a bunch of fake ads.

That's not true. You can listen to Monday's part of my take when we say it on air and then we played the ads. Dove is real. Truly wasn't needed. Got it. He did call me. He goes, oh, is there a CTA? And then just hung up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Meaning like he was just he was just proving he was going to call someone to pretend that it was real. He did a very good job. Yeah. Very funny.

Hank, do you have any advice for Max about how to establish a dynasty and what this offseason is going to need to look like to continue this run? No, you've got to soak it in. Max has kind of been a little bit scared, always worried, always not confident. Now that you're the champions, you have to just be confident. Be a cocky asshole. It's playoff time. Wake me up when the playoffs start. No matter what happens next year on this show,

lose a couple regular season games. They start trying to get you trolling about Sirianni or Jalen Hurts as he washed. Is he the guy? Wake me up when the playoffs start. I don't, I don't think I got that in my bag. I don't think I have that. He's going to live and die with every game. Uh,

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It is NBA Commissioner Adam Silver ahead of the NBA All-Star Game weekend in San Francisco. Mr. Commissioner, is that... Should we call you Mr. Commissioner? We've never had a commissioner on before. Paul Rabel. Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Second commissioner. Yeah. I know Paul. Adam, please. Okay. So, Adam, thank you so much for joining us. I have to ask because we...

We're very excited for this interview. What was the sell process for you to come on this show? Did someone have to tell you, like, hey, these guys actually aren't the worst? Because I can't believe you're on. We're excited to interview you. Well, I went to law school in Chicago. Okay. I worked in Washington, D.C. for years. So I know you guys are D.C. and Chicago guys. That was a big part of the selling point of coming on.

And you guys are fun to watch and listen to. You guys do an incredible job. I appreciate it. Also, one of our producers is a big Duke fan. Basically went to Duke. So yeah, you've got connections everywhere on the show. Yeah, that helps. Yeah. All right. So All-Star weekend. How are we feeling going into All-Star weekend? I know you have tried to tinker with the All-Star game to make it better for fans. How do we feel going into this one?

I'm feeling good about it. One, I love the Bay Area. You know, obviously four championships there since...

since I've been commissioner. So I've spent a lot of time in the market and multiple finals appearances beyond that. Beautiful new arena in San Francisco. A new format that we've talked a lot about, you know, where, you know, in essence, working with the Players Association, we came up with this format where it's in essence around Robin, you know, games to 40, then a championship. So I think that's going to be really exciting for the fans. And I also, for us,

you know as important as the game itself is it becomes the epicenter of the basketball world for that weekend it's essentially you know friday saturday and sunday of events community events in oakland and san francisco opportunity to see old friends i've been with the league for a long time and when you have a neutral site finals you can't plan to gather there so essentially people who've been in business for us

for a long time, can mark their calendars, you know, be in the Bay Area. Our international partners can all be there as well. So it's sort of a three-day long celebration of the game. And that for me is the best part about the whole long weekend. When did you come to the decision that the format of the All-Star game had to be changed? Was there one moment in the game last year where you're like, that's it, I can't go back?

I think it was when I was presenting the championship trophy on the floor at the end of last year's All-Star game. I think everybody was incredibly disappointed, at least speaking for the fans and the league office. It wasn't what we had hoped for. And then once I had an opportunity to talk to the players afterwards, I think they acknowledged as well, whatever happened, once they got out there, there wasn't any real competition.

This was in Indianapolis. Larry Bird had talked to the team in advance. Julius Irving had others. We thought we'd all come together with something that we thought would be effective. It obviously wasn't. I think then, post-All-Star game, talking to several of the players, the perennial All-Stars who we knew would be back, we said, look, we just got to do a better job for the fans. We recognize that you just can't turn the clock back. Obviously, the

NFL and Pro Bowl went to flag football. Baseball's done some changes to tweak their all-star game. So I said, what can we do to make this exciting and entertaining for the fans? And this is how we came up with this new format. Yeah. I got a really dumb question for you, but we're not the smartest guys. What exactly does a commissioner do day-to-day? What does your job look like day-to-day? Because I just would imagine it's just like watching the games and then waiting for someone to text you being like, we got a problem.

That's the evening part of my job. Okay, okay. The day part, it's more like a standard business job in many ways than people would think. I mean, you've got 30 teams, of course. We've got the WNBA we're overseeing as well, the G League.

We have a league in Africa now. We're looking at opportunities in Europe. So part of it is planning for the future. Another aspect of it is just regulating this league. There's constantly things happening with teams, business decisions they're making that if you want to make sure everything's unified as a league, that you have to coordinate among the many teams. We have what I was mentioning before about people coming together in the Bay Area. We have literally hundreds of business partners

business partners, licensees who produce our products, broadcast partners, media partners who distribute our games, more traditional sponsors like Pepsi and Amex and Gatorade and companies like that. And so a lot of it's in the relationship side, continuing to build those relationships with our partners, negotiating deals with them, helping to plan for the future. It's also

We're a huge enterprise in terms of our budgets. And so I think more that's the part where it's more like a standard job. Like we have thousands of employees and we have an HR department, a legal department, a marketing department. So also just bringing all those people together and doing my best I can, along with other colleagues, just try to lead this enterprise. Do you spend any time in your day to day searching your name online? Because I think you are probably one of the people that gets the most unsolicited advice.

you know i i don't need to search because people seek me out and so it comes through emails

It comes through people forwarding me things that other people are saying. We have our own communications department here who's sending me things. And in all seriousness, I actually find it very helpful because if you work in an industry where you're so closely covered and you have fans and a section of the newspaper devoted to you, that you get a lot of unsolicited ideas. And so one, I think...

When you look at things we've done over the last several years, the play-in tournament, the in-season tournament now known as the NBA Cup, all those ideas came from initially outside of the league. And then sort of it's a question of processing those ideas. And also there's understandably fans want changes. Some, you know, you get criticism. You get, you know, people feel good about certain things we're doing. But I think it's my job to do the best I can to incorporate a lot of that feedback. And incidentally, when you have fans

30 teams, 450 players on the NBA side. I mean, part of my job is hearing directly from players. You know, I've been at the league for a long time. So when players are coming through New York and playing the Knicks or the Nets, often they'll stop by the office. And in those one-on-one conversations, I can get a better sense from them, you know, how they see the league. Also, our...

Our players are also the age, in many cases, of our core demographics. So I'm always interested in how a 26-year-old player is consuming the NBA. Are you watching games on your phone? What social media sites are you on? What podcasts like yours are they watching? So that's very helpful. And again, and it's not just...

owners of 30 teams. You have team presidents and GMs and coaches. So lots of different constituent groups that are constantly providing feedback to the league office and sharing information with. And that adage has never been more true that two heads are better than one. And I just find that

Part of my job is to be a good listener and get advice from others and then somehow filter that advice and figure out what's in the best interest of the league. What's the dumbest idea that has gone from, okay, that's a dumb idea to like, all right, we should actually think about this. Maybe it never even happened, but you at least paused and said, hey, just look at this for a second.

You know, last time I got that question on a show like this, it was a question that came from Dan Patrick. It was what was what's the wildest idea you've gotten? And I said, 10 minute quarters. And I've been responding to questions at 10 minute quarters ever since. I'm going to be really careful how I how I answer this question. I mean, I'd say, you know, the people have raised questions.

around the size of the court and the height of the basket. Like that's one. I think there have been various times along the way. I mean, it's interesting now that there's so much discussion about three-point shooting. You guys probably remember, you know,

It was a while ago, but maybe time flies. So more sort of in the mid-90s and later where there was a lot of criticism around the game because people thought it had become too physical. And the game, there was too much activity under the basket. And that the players weren't as skilled as they used to be. And that they'd lost the art of shooting. And at that time, where there seemed to be a prevalence of dunking, the thought was, it's too easy to dunk. Yeah.

Yeah. And so it's quite remarkable then jump ahead till now where there's a lot of discussion around whether the players are frankly too skilled that three point shooting has become so dominant and that it's the level of difficulty in essence, isn't high enough on some of those shots. So I, you know, I don't, I can't say we ever seriously considered either, you know, raising the height of the basket or widening the court, but those are issues that have come, that have come up over the years. I also think

I'm trying to think of a particular example. I know that a lot of marketing ideas, I got one, that I remember when teams first brought to the league the idea that we would put a brand on the uniform itself. And I remember at the time when we first discussed that, people said, and I wasn't commissioner yet when we first did that, David Stern was commissioner, but I was running the business side and people said, I can't believe you're going to make our players look like NASCAR players.

you know, cars, et cetera, whatever. And I think that's become very accepted. You know, I think we did it in a fairly classy way. It's a relatively small logo, you know, on the team jerseys. But that not only has added a lot of value to the league, but for those companies that choose to put their logos on, you could

Team uniforms they become that much more engaged in the league They're that much more incentivized to promote the league and so it sort of it becomes you know a virtuous circle of sort of promotion around it so a few of those things I think you know even looking at I remember back in the day in the 90s early 90s now when the continuous score clock was first proposed I mean Dick Eversall Still close friend was the executive producer of the president of NBC

sports, he opposed that idea, both for football and basketball. I mean, it's almost unimaginable to watch a sporting event now and think you got to wait for however many minutes till the director decides to show you the score again. But remember in those days, I mean, the initial idea was, no, we don't want to show a continuous score because if people tune in and they see it's a 10-point game or whatever, they'll tune out. And it took a long time. And again, that's one of those conventions

It's almost unimaginable now to watch a game where you can't see the score at any moment. And my sense is there's, I think, a lot about to change on the production side. I mean, as games are shifting from what I would call traditional television, call that broadcaster cable, to streaming, it creates all these new opportunities, all these new capabilities of the streamers because of interactivity to do new things on the screens. And I think, you know, like, for example,

I understand the criticism now from people who don't like to see sports betting information during games, whether it's because they don't want to personally or they don't want their kids to be able to see it. I think we're not that far away where you're just going to go click. And if you don't want any information about sports betting, you won't have to look at it. On the other hand, if you're someone in a state where it's illegal and you can get a

on sports you'll see a lot more information if that's what you want so i think things will become much more customized over time yeah that was a very thoughtful nuanced answer and the main takeaway is that adam silver has considered raising the basket and extending the three-point line so in the past you've thought about it you have thought has crossed your mind yeah i go yeah have you thought about it the second time listen i just thrown this out there like in uh

baseball every park is different you know the the yankee stadium they got the short porch have you thought about home teams getting to decide their own dimensions so like you go to detroit and they've got eight foot rims you go to you go to you go to see play the warriors and they've got uh they've extended their three-point line by three feet so every game is different it's like oh we got to go play here they're playing on 14 foot rims that'd be fun

I definitely can make some news with my answer to that one. I would say so. So no, for the record, I haven't thought about that. But it is an interesting comparison. You know, I will say this because you mentioned baseball talking about rule changes. I'm a huge baseball fan and I'm a big change, a big fan. I'm sorry of the changes that they've made. Yeah. Like I think, you know, the pitch clock.

slightly enlarging the bases to make stealing easier and stuff like that. I've looked at those things, and we've talked about that at the league office and with our competition committee, and when I think the most traditional, in my mind, of all sports, the most resistant to change, the fact that they're making changes in that sport to keep up with the times,

I'm not sure, you know, different basket heights and different arenas is the answer, but I think it just means we have to stay on our toes and be open-minded about potential changes. By the way, I just want to correct one thing. Technically, you have thought about changing the rims because we literally were just discussing it, so we'll put that out there. We incepted you. You have technically thought of it just through this conversation. Fair point.

We got you there. Yeah. So have you ever – do you ever hang out with other commissioners and just be like, hey, commissioner to commissioner, here's something I'm thinking about? A little bit. I don't know if they would describe it as hanging out. But I used to – when I first got to the NBA in the 90s, Gary Bettman still worked here. Yeah. Before he went to the NHL. He worked for David Stern at the NBA. So –

And we've stayed close over the years. Roger Goodell and I knew him well even before he became commissioner, when Paul Tagliabue was commissioner. And he's been great. When I remember the first thing when it was announced I was commissioner, Roger was actually one of the first people to reach out to me and said, you know, anything I can share with you, anything that'd be helpful with you. So we're obviously competitors in

in certain ways, but I think we're all fellow travelers trying to help each other think this notion that a rising tide raises all boats, that it's what's good for premium professional sports, it's good for all of us. Same with Rob Manfred. I think I became commissioner right before he did

And we've compared notes on a lot of issues over the years. Again, as I said, I'm a big baseball fan. He's invited me over the years to a bunch of different events that I've been to with him. I've been to Yankee games here in New York with him. So, yeah, we all talk to each other. I mean, everybody's running around slightly different seasons.

So we don't get to spend that much time together, but they're all great guys. There's some battles and some problems that only a fellow commissioner might understand. I'm sure that you go through. Yeah. Hypothetically, not talking about anything in specific, but hypothetically, do you have anything that's in place where you could potentially deny a trade?

If like a team wanted to send a superstar to another team and maybe the return value on that superstar was not what would generally be expected. You talking about Kyle Kuzma? Yeah, so I'm a Wizards fan. Well, I'm a Wizards fan and we just sent Kuzma. Believe it or not.

And there's some confusion. People have yelled out to me for some reason in the last week or so when I've been at games that I should be vetoing that trade the way David Stern vetoed a trade back in the old days. And there's always some confusion there. David never vetoed a trade that when he was the acting owner of New Orleans and the commissioner at the time that he turned down a trade that was proposed to him by the general manager of the team. But no, I mean, the way we don't put a thumb on the scale, so to speak, that

when a trade comes into the league office, what our sort of basketball and legal folks do is they make sure that that trade works under the confines of the collective bargaining agreement and whatever rules are in place. And then it's up or down. It gets approved or not based on those rules. We don't get to weigh in on what we think the merits of the trade are or should be. Gotcha. I am going to miss Kuzma. Big Cat's right. That broke my heart. Did you at least text like a, are you sure?

No. Okay. Honestly, let's level. You were probably like, oh, Luka's going to L.A.? Huge market? That's cool. You know, honestly, and I promise, you know, look at the league right now that two –

Clearly, smaller market teams, certainly Oklahoma City and Cleveland's a little bigger than Oklahoma City, but not one of the bigger markets in the league, have the two best records in the league right now. And I think it's great. You know, we've had six different champions over the last six years. And, you know, this may sound obvious, but I want all our teams to do well and be competitive. And frankly, Dallas is a big market.

and so you know was i surprised that he was traded from that standpoint yeah i'm a fan and that the teams don't necessarily give the league inside information on those kinds of things so that trade was you know it wasn't one that i saw coming and by the way i i love luca i've known him since the day he came into the league he's obviously a great player he's a great young man and

And teams make these trades for reasons that in some cases only they know. They have inside information about a player. They're living with a player. They have a particular style they want to play. They have a vision for what that team should become. And

Truly, only time will tell. I mean, the one thing I'll say, having been with this league for a long time, like truly nothing is written. People who say they can predict the future generally can't. And we'll see. I'm sort of rooting for Dallas and I'm rooting for the Lakers. I'm rooting for Anthony Davis to recover quickly.

and be the all-star we know he can be and stay healthy for a long time. And I'm definitely rooting for Luka to demonstrate to the world what a great player he is in L.A. Okay, so we shouldn't come to Adam Silver for grading of trades because we like to, in sports media, like to just grade trades instantly and say that we're right and we know the future. You have your job and I have my job. Your job is to grade trades. My job is to make sure they comply with league rules. Yeah. You mentioned David Stern. I didn't realize this.

but you got into the NBA by writing a letter to a bunch of different people asking for advice. And David Stern was one of those people who actually responded. Is that true? Because that's, that's a very cool story. I was practicing law in New York, just had only been a lawyer for a few years and decided I wanted to do something different. I wasn't, I'm still happy. I went to law school. It's been very helpful to me along the years, but,

over the years, but I wrote David a letter. This is pre-internet, where you wrote letters and mailed them.

And I actually was looking for advice. It wasn't so much that I thought I wanted to work at the NBA. And I'm always telling young people this story because it's so different these days where you can go on the internet and find out all kinds of information about the NBA and what happens in the league office. And there's all these sites where they rate people's jobs and they talk about whether they think they're fairly compensated and all that. I was saying none of that existed in those days.

And so David was someone who had worked at a law firm in New York before he had made the transition. He came over to the NBA as the general counsel before he was the commissioner. But I wrote him a letter saying, I'm also a lawyer in New York. I'd be interested in making the transition. I wasn't so sure that it would be to a sports league. And in fact, at the time, I worked for a law firm that was representing HBO. And I was fascinated with the media business.

And David at that time had recently done some of the initial cable deals where it was the early days of TBS and he'd done a broadcast deal. Ted Turner was also an owner of the Atlanta Hawks and he had done a deal with Ted Turner, put NBA games on TBS. And because I was doing a lot of work for HBO, David Stern's name kept coming up in the context of media. So I wrote him a letter saying, you know, I'm interested in making this transition. If you ever had time, I'd love to meet you and talk to you.

I'd actually met him once before. He had worked at one point at the same law firm as my father. I didn't really know David, but the sort of letter began, "I am the son of such and such," and hoping that that would sort of build a bridge to him. I remember his—he called me—and I think in those days, too, you were used to sending a letter and not hearing back for, in some cases, weeks. It was just everything moved at a different pace.

his assistant called me at some point and said he'd like to schedule time with you. And my office was in New York City. I mean, where I am today in the MBA office is the same place as we were in the early 90s when Dave was commissioner. And I was just across town. And an assistant called me, scheduled. And again, like everything moves slower. It was like you're free two weeks from Tuesday or whatever. And I came and saw him. And

He gave me some advice about how I might transition out of the law. That's what I was interested in doing and some media advice. And then I'll condense the story because I've already been long-winded. At some point, he reached back out to me and said, there's something I'd like to talk to you about. And it turned out he was looking for an assistant.

And he ultimately hired me. And my first job at the NBA was special assistant to the commissioner. Worked for David. I was 30 years old. So 32 years ago, I came to work here and then worked as an assistant, then became chief of staff, I mentioned. And I then went to what was the entertainment side of the business, ran a division called NBA Entertainment for years, deputy commissioner. And so this is my sixth job being commissioner. So I worked my way up the ladder here at the NBA for years. Wow.

That's awesome. Very cool that he took the time to do that. Yeah. Very, very cool. Yeah, no, it was, by the way, I have to say, I mean, you know, David changed my life in so many ways and I,

I had five different jobs before I was commissioner, all of them working for David. And I sort of would joke to people, even when I was the deputy commissioner, my job was still the special assistant to David Stern. And I mean, you guys, everybody is... You may have had a chance to meet him over the years. I mean, he was full of life. He was a genius when it came to sports marketing. I think as much credit as he gets, maybe not enough for transforming the whole industry, not just the NBA, just everybody's approach. Even I remember...

When I came to work at the NBA, I mean, he was the first person who really thought of the NBA as a brand, you know, as a brand marketer, even though his background was as a lawyer. I mean, now it's just a given that NBA is a brand, MLB, NHL, NFL, obviously, you know, but it's,

Like he had a whole different way, a whole different vocabulary of approaching sports. And also, I think about how much of my time now I spend on growing the game globally. I mean, David was so far ahead of his time. And when I got to the NBA in 92, you know, shortly thereafter, it was the Dream Team, which also transformed the NBA. I mean, what an interesting statistic. At the time that I got to the NBA, roughly 5% of the players in the league were born outside the United States. Now it's around 30%. Wow.

You know, when you mentioned Luka or Giannis, you know, go down to Wemby. You know, now, you know, the Joker are very best players.

many of them are born outside the United States now. And that pool of players, I mean, just you got a chance to watch some of the Olympics out of Paris, a U S Serbia game or the U S France game. You know, you know, there's so much high level basketball being played around the world. And David really had that vision that this could truly be a global game. Yeah. That's very cool. Well, while we have you here, I just want to give you a piece of unsolicited advice for me and take it for what you will. But I think a lot of people agree with me. Uh,

One of the most frustrating things to watch in the NBA, and I love watching basketball, but this is very frustrating when players are obviously flopping and embellishing fouls. Is it in consideration to make embellishment, flopping, reviewable, technical foul, cut and dry? Don't do it because it's tough to watch on TV. Well, so it was only a year ago or two years ago we added the ability to call a technical in-game

you know, for flopping. So that was a change in rules, a new rule that we did, you know, modeled a little bit after the FIBA rules, the international basketball rules. And we have a provision where we do review after the fact. Obviously, we want finality in the game, so we're not going to go back and change scores or anything. But guys can be fined after the fact. And at least according to our own, you know,

sort of reviews of the games, we've cut back considerably on flopping. It's still, I will say that, you know, for my European colleagues, European friends, you know, there's a tradition in European soccer, global soccer,

of flopping. It was sort of, to me, brought to the NBA stylistically by a lot of the international players. A lot of them grew up as soccer players. We've tried to crack down on it. You know, it's, it's, again, I think we've made progress. My sense is that as various forms of replay get better and get faster, you know, look, the problem is by definition, you're fooling the ref. And if you get away with it, you know, especially in real time, you

all you can do after the fact is potentially find the players. But, you know, and I think you said it, it's the embellishment is the hardest because you

Now they're teaching in youth basketball is, you know, you want to demonstrate to the officials, at least the way they're taught, is to embellish so that the official clearly sees. So, you know, you're often seeing somebody shoved and they're going flying backwards. And then so the official in real time and I and I understand, too, you know,

you know, player frustration, fan frustration, sometimes with the officiating, we're doing everything we can to make it better. But when I watch the officials, it's remarkable to me what they can do in real time. I mean, when you think in a split second and the speed of the game to making those calls and then add flopping on top of that or embellishment that they're supposed to be able to discern the difference and, you know, the amount of force that's going into a push and the reaction from the players. I will say that, you know,

technology, the changes in technology will help us there. I mean, just shifting slightly, it's not, doesn't go directly to flopping, but you know, guys are constantly trying to official, fool the officials when, who did it touch last? You know, they're pointing and, and et cetera, that, that,

We're not that far away from having technology where, just like you think in tennis, where there's an automated call as to whether the ball was inside the line or outside the line. It's this technology called Hawkeye. It's owned by Sony. We're working with Sony also to bring that to basketball so that

whoever's-- I think there's 100 fingers on the floor at any given time, various body parts-- to instantaneously show who the ball went out on, if somebody's foot was on the line, anything that can be objectively determined, goaltending, et cetera. And I think that will allow-- so one, there'll be a whole category of calls that will be objectively right or wrong and will speed up the game from that standpoint. But just as importantly, for those more subjective calls,

the officials won't have to both be looking at the feet of somebody's feet to see if they touch the line and their hands at the same time. They can really focus on what is truly subjective. And I think we'll be able to do a better job sort of discerning whether there's some kind of embellishment going on. So it's--

If the standard is perfection, we've got a long ways to go, but I think we've made improvements there. Have you thought about maybe making the standard not perfection? And I say that in that I think you've talked about this before. The review system, games slow down at the end. It's a really hard watch for people, and we want to watch the action. What about just doing a week where there's no reviews? And every team knows it, and it's like, hey, we're not doing any instant replay. We're not doing any reviews.

the call on the court stands and just see how the game flow goes. It's interesting to say that like, number one, we did, you know, a couple of years ago, we changed the format at the end of the game. We reduced the number of timeouts and we reduced the ability for officials to go to discretionary reviews. I mean, you'll recall just a few years ago, virtually every play towards the last two minutes, you know, the players were going like this, you know, so we added one more coach's challenge, uh,

You know, but but we reduce those discretionary views. And I think that's that's made a big difference. And to your point, I've had many players and coaches tell me over the years that they would prefer speed to accuracy in certain cases, because especially near the end of the game, you know, when you're

there's those long reviews guys are literally getting cold standing there getting out of rhythm and they just assume say all right you know you know red ball and move forward and move on as opposed to waiting for the endless reviews and and as i said i think back to the technology that there that you know some people also don't like that we might have a different standard in the last two minutes but look when you have

a game like basketball where there's a lot of scoring, even if there's a bad call in the second quarter, you can make up for it over the course of the game. But you can't necessarily in the last two minutes. So I'm in favor of there potentially being more scrutiny. But as I was saying, if you can use technology and

take a whole category of calls off the table and that they're now objective. You know, I think we can reduce the number of replays because also in those calls, just like in tennis, they'll just be, you'll see sort of the quick animation. I think you need transparency. People don't want to just be told, you know, bull's ball. They want to know what happened. And just like in tennis, you'll see like some animation, you'll see what's going on. But then, and also if you think back, like some early days in tennis, there was a lot more arguing.

you know with the officials and now once you see that animation you know and there's a ooh and an ah from the fans that just barely touch the line or whatever else but you know it's play on and and and i think everyone would prefer that yeah just think about no review week it'd be a whole event we could just be like hey it's no review week yeah suck it up yeah this is kind of a fun thing if i say i'm thinking about it does that mean it's under consideration yeah you've already thought it's under consideration yeah yeah you've

Just have every ref just say, life isn't fair. Yeah, right. Tough shit. You know, it's interesting, though. But, you know, I've actually made that point, not using those same language. But, you know, human error is part of this game. It's certainly part of the game when a player misses a shot. Somehow it gets lost sometimes that it's also part of the game when an official makes a mistake. And I get it. And if an official makes too many mistakes, they can't be an official in this league. But...

You're right. Perfection can't be the standard. There are going to be mistakes. And I think often what separates the best teams is their ability to move on from that mistake. And I just lastly say, you know, we have seven game series in the playoffs. And I think that as I think some of the best basketball minds in the league will say, you

it's a highly likely that the, at least for that week or two weeks, the better team is going to win the seven game series. Yeah. Regardless of the officiate. Also a bad call gives us something to yell about the day after the show. Yeah. Right. So, so we'll be, we'll be screaming. We'll be, if you just make it perfection, it's like we're the dog that was chasing the car. And then we catch those trades. We were talking about that. Um,

NBA seems ready made for social media. Yes. Yes, it does. It does. Yeah. Has there been any consideration to to adjusting the league schedule? I know it's been in place for a long time in the general format that it's in. But but waiting and starting the the year on maybe Christmas Day and extending it at the end.

There has been. I mean, that is one thing that we have thought a fair amount about and we've looked at different proposals. And I think for a lot of people, you're right, that there was always this notion that we, you know, in the old days, we would start on NBC on Christmas Day. We'd start on network television Christmas Day, sort of, you know, the regular season of the NFL had wound down. People could now move their attention to the NBA. The issue we have there

is one of moving into the summer. And by the way, things are changing so rapidly culturally in terms of viewership and everything else that nothing, no idea is ever completely dead. But at least historically, the thought was we wanted our season to be over by July 1st in essence. And we're sort of working backwards. If you're going to get at the draft in the last week of June,

you know, and you're going to therefore start the finals, anticipating you potentially could have a seven game finals. It means you got to start roughly June 1st, working backwards, sort of that. That's how you end up with a training camp in October season. It starts roughly the beginning of November. I mean, people's television habits have changed dramatically. I think in large part, you know, we all,

reaching for my phone, we all carry a TV with us everywhere we go now. I look at the kinds of things I would put you guys in the category of non-traditional media, that the amazing popularity now of podcasts like yours, people's enormous amount of time looking at screens, listening to audio feeds of things. The other thing about us moving into July is sort of, let's just say, okay, you can move the finals into July. Then we have our summer league. When does the

You know, and part of it, it's it's actual consideration. Like, when do they get vacation? Yeah. And part of it is it's always in the tradition, this league, there's sort of the equivalent of a summer vacation that matches up with family vacations. Even once, you know, summer league ends, it's sort of the third week of July. You know, things can settle down a little bit, you know, you know.

for the last part of July and August. And now I'm not talking about the league office, largely for the players and the arrest on their body and everything else. So, you know, I will say, you know, I think all these things we will continue to look at. I don't think in the short term we'll do it. I just last say, I mean, there used to be this notion, you know, in television they call it hut levels, households using television, that traditionally because of summer vacation and things,

that once you got to July 1st, there were fewer people watching television, which why, again, historically, all the prime time shows when we were younger would launch in the fall. You can almost think of the beginning of the NFL season, one of those shows would launch.

I think though now, as I said, like people's television habits have changed dramatically. Like streaming has changed a lot of those conventions. Like new shows launch on Netflix all the time. You know, in July, nobody thinks twice about it. So I think these are all things that we'll continue to look at. All right. So I got one last question for you. This has been so much fun. NBA All-Star Weekend this weekend. My last question, it's a Roback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com. Promo code TAKE.

take. I have to pitch you my one idea that I've had for many years is

And you got to think about it. And I don't need credit for it when you actually enact it. So there's obviously been issues at times with fans getting a little unruly, maybe talking too much to the players, that whole experience. My rule is very simple. Every single player, when the season starts, gets one chance to call out any fan they want, and then they just get to beat the fuck out of them in the middle of the court.

And once they use it, they can't use it again for the rest of the year. Thoughts on that rule? Not a good idea. Okay, but listen, no, you're not seeing the vision. When you see Kevin Durant and you decide to say something really mean to him, you're like, wait, does he have his one fight a fan left this year? You lost me on the beat the shit out of him.

part. Yeah. Well, I was with you up to like, all right, you can single out one fan and then we'll review that fan's conduct. Think about the ratings. So Mr. Commissioner, think about the ratings. They're like, oh my God, we're going to Sacramento. And you know, DeMar DeRozan has called out someone from the 10th row and they're about to fight in the middle of the, they're stopping the game to fight. We'll bring a cage. Yeah, sure. Of the arenas.

Is the fan allowed to fight back? Yes, yes. So that's also part of it. I didn't fully consider your idea. You call out someone with cauliflower ears and you might have been asking for too much.

Are you making fun of my ears? No, you don't have cauliflower ears. But I have made fun of your ears in the past. I'm sorry. I apologize. I'm a long-time listener. Well, yeah, you can listen to anything. Sorry. You put that for me. Sorry. I walked into that one. Or maybe at least just allowing fights like in hockey. Yeah. Like blow it off. Yeah. You know what's so interesting? I will say I'm a New Yorker. I'm a Rangers fan.

and go to games occasionally. And as you guys remember, there was that era, again, back to the 90s, where there was a fair amount of fighting in the league. And David Stern, he cracked down on it. We had automatic suspensions walking off the bench and all that. And it's still surprising me to this day when I go to a hockey game and they face up

And the officials step back. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and I get I mean, there's there's there's, you know, it's part of the culture of hockey. And I know I've heard the arguments that by having allowing players to fight things out in that way actually cuts down on violence in certain cases by having enforcers and everything else. It's obviously so foreign to the NBA. But, you know, based on the idea you're sharing, think about it. I'll share it with Gary Bettman to maybe bring fans in it.

Yeah, well, I mean, that's happened before. Ty Domi in the penalty box. We had a lot more dumb ideas that maybe next time you come on, we can pitch you because I know that we had a ton of them. So maybe we'll just do an entire podcast where we give you the dumbest ideas.

All right. I'm available. I did have a fix for the all-star weekend. It was just in line with the LeBron Bronny thing that the winning team gets automatically their first born gets a one-year contract in the NBA. That's a good idea. That's a pretty good idea. That's a good idea. Or, you know what? Legacy League. What I was going to pitch him, which I won't pitch him, but I was just going to pitch him rigging the draft. Oh. Yeah. That would be a smart idea. That would be a good thing to do. Which team? For the Wizards. Cooper flagged to the Wizards. Yeah.

You know, I'm a Duke guy. Cooper's unbelievable. He's great. He's great. We would take such good care of him in D.C. You're also a D.C. guy. Yes, there you go. All right. Well, Commissioner, thank you so much. We really appreciate it. Hopefully you enjoyed this and we can have you on again. And like I said, we'll do an episode, special episode where we just give you the hundred dumbest ideas we've ever thought of. And when you think about them, everyone's gonna be like, Adam Silver's thinking about this because you are thinking about the fight a fan rule. You have technically thought of it.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is our good friend, Joe Burrow, who should be the MVP this year, but he's here promoting the FedEx Air and Ground NFL Player of the Year where you are a nominee. Joe, good to see you. This is the first time we've all been together in New Orleans since you won the national championship. That's right.

It's good to see you somewhat sober right now. Yeah, I feel great right now. I couldn't say the same five years ago. Yeah, but you are a nominee for FedEx Air and Ground NFL Player of the Year. I'll confidently say I feel like you reminded everyone about Joe Burrow because we had that conversation in June that people forgot about Joe Burrow. I don't think people forget about Joe Burrow anymore. I agree. I think I had a great year. I think I had my best year as a pro.

I'm excited for... I think there's another level that I can hit, so I'm excited to go and hit that next year. Okay. What's the next level? Be better. Better than this, Joe? Yeah. So, like, 7,000 yards? 7,000? I mean, the stats are going to fluctuate year to year, really. It just kind of depends on how...

the year is going how each individual game is going. Cause you could throw for four touchdowns in the first quarter and then the game's over, but you threw for 170 yards and now you're not really throwing it anymore. So it kind of just depends on, on the year, but I'm just playing better. Really. If you have, if you have a great game, let's say you throw for like 400 yards, four touchdowns, hypothetically, something like that. And you end up losing that game. You feel bad afterwards. I'm sure. Cause you want to win. How long does it take for you through that week to be like, you know what? I'm actually pretty happy with my performance. Yeah.

It's definitely better than throwing for 150 and losing. I would say it kind of just depends on how you feel like you played. Sometimes you could throw for a lot of yards, but then you missed a couple early in the game, you missed a couple late in the game, you made a couple bad decisions, and you don't really feel like you played great. But most of the time when you throw for 400, you feel pretty good about it. Yeah. You keep waiting for old Norm Van Brocklin's record to fall.

The 550 yards passing in the game? Oh, yeah. It's kind of crazy that it – I think it's 545 maybe. It hasn't happened in like 50 years. And with the NFL being so pass heavy right now, you keep hoping like one of these days a quarterback will throw for 550. I'd like it to be you. Yeah, I got to 525 in 2021.

Against the Ravens. So I think I'm third in that list. But it would be nice to have a 600-yard game would be pretty cool. Yeah, I dare you to do that. Mahomes had like a 700-yard game in college. Yeah. Against Baker at Oklahoma. That was crazy. That box score is a very fun box score to look at where you're just like, oh, shit. Were you in the zone at all this year? Because it feels like you were. There was that –

I want to call it like five, six, seven game stretch where it was just like write it down, 275, three touchdowns every single week. Yeah. After the first Baltimore game, I feel like I was pretty dialed in for the rest of the year. Yeah. Yeah, because you could kind of tell. It was just like – I don't want to say it was on easy mode for you, but you could tell me if you ever felt like that. Maybe it's a better way to say it is –

It felt like you saw everything so perfectly for that stretch. It was moving slow for me. It definitely felt easy at times. Definitely didn't feel easy at times, too, but that's how life in the NFL goes. Yeah, yeah. And tonight you've got the NFL honors. Good luck. Thanks. I think statistically a lot of people would say Joe Burrow could be the MVP. But more importantly, what are you going to wear to this?

I've got a nice aloe suit planned. Anything shocking? No shirt underneath. Wait, aloe, is that the place in California with the saunas and stuff? Correct. Yeah, they don't let guys like us in there. I'm sure they would let you in if you came with me. Oh, no way. They would just be like, can you just wait at the car? I see those videos. It's just all hot people.

I mean, maybe. Yeah. You just confirmed that. In a nice way, you confirmed that. Sir, two homeless people just followed you in. Would you like us to arrest them? Yeah. Yes, please. Aloe is not for us. Do you regret any of your fits this year? The Ellen DeGeneres one? Which one was that? It was the pink shirt with the white vest and the white pants. That one wasn't my best. Okay. All right. Good. All right. I feel good because I was nervous about asking about it, but that one you got roasted. That was probably my least favorite of the year. Okay. Mm.

I wore a lot of pink this year. But I feel like I felt pretty good about most of them, I would say. Now, we've always wondered, like, when you wear a fit like that and then you lose, you go straight to sweats right after, right? Or do you go back into the fit? I think it just depends on the game. Okay. If it's like a playoff game and we lose, I'll probably wear the fit to the press conference. Okay. Because one year, Cam wore a suit to the Super Bowl, and then they lost, and then...

didn't wear it to the press conference and people

Felt weird about that. Yeah, I actually respected that. I think you should have like a say you should maybe you should have like a clown suit if you lose You actually put on a clown costume. That's not that's not a bad idea. Kind of deflects it away from you. Yeah What if the NFL made that a rule? If you lose you have to wear the clown suit to the press conference Big red nose. Yeah, I kind of like that. No, you and I actually have a little bit in common Joe We've both been victims of crime this year. I had all my clothes stolen on my front porch and

And why was it on your front porch? Well, I did. I sent away for laundry because it was a long weekend of football. So I wasn't home to do the wash, but I had two big ass bags of clothes that just got stolen off my front porch and

And I lost basically all my clothes. I've been trying to dress like you. Do you have any advice for me? Like, do you have a stylist that you use? Because I feel like now I'm 40. I got to level up a little bit. I got to start, you know, stunting on these hoes a little bit. So yeah, who's your stylist? And can they also give me some help? His name's Kyle Smith. He does great. He just brings some...

stuff and i tell them if i like it if i don't like it and if i'm gonna wear it or if i'm not gonna wear it okay that's pretty easy you think i could pull off some of those fits 100 when people say like oh you look like ellen degeneres or in this or whatever like they say that about me but in like a bad way oh yeah yeah with you it's like oh yeah you can look like a lesbian be hot with me it's like you look like a fool yeah yeah when people people people say that like it's uh

Like a derogatory comment. Right. Like lesbians don't dress well. Yeah. They dress really well. Yeah, they do. Minus Ellen DeGeneres. I don't think she dresses great. Well, maybe she doesn't dress exactly like...

Maybe somebody that's 25, 20. Stop looking at me. Stop looking at me. What are you doing right now? Listen, my stylist is like the same four pop-up ads I get on Instagram. And then I buy it and I'm like, oh shit, I already have this shirt. I think every time I've ordered something on Instagram, it's never come to my house. Yeah. I just get robbed. Just a donation. I just look at like one flannel shirt in early October and then the rest of the winter, I'm just buying flannel shirts. You're a big flannel guy? Yeah.

No, but it's the pop-ups. I just buy the pop-ups. Oh, that's a yellow one. Oh, that's a green one. Oh, shit. I don't have this one. It looks exactly like the other one. I usually buy something in September, and then I spend the next four months just tracking it from China as it's making its way here. It's like on a boat somewhere crossing Taiwan. I'm like, I'm never getting that command. You get it in two years? Yeah, exactly. So this season was obviously disappointing for you guys, but how is it like when you're

When you get into a season and you're playing great, but the team is losing, trying to figure out what's that like in the locker room when it's like the defense went through some struggles, started playing well at the end. Is it awkward? Is it hard? I don't really understand the dynamic and how it works. Yeah. I would say it's tough to describe because you're obviously... I mean, you're in it as a team, so everybody's down in the dumps in the locker room. It's not like...

Oh, we're on the offense. We scored 30, but we lost. We're happy. Nobody's happy about that. And there were definitely games that the offense could have closed it out, in which we didn't. When you're playing, like I said, I felt like I had my best year as a pro, and so I was happy about that. Week in and week out, it was pretty frustrating. I've never had a year like this. So it was mentally taxing and challenging to...

continue to stay disciplined and consistent week in and week out, day in and day out. But, you know, at some point you just realize that

This is your job, and that's what you do. And if I'm going to continue to play as good as I want to, then I'm going to have to keep doing these things daily to put myself in the best position to succeed. Yeah, it sounds like you guys are a lot more mature than us because we just finger point instantly. Like literally it's something. I mean, you walked into it a little bit with the QB skills competition we did last night. We just spent the last two hours just sitting in this room just finger pointing. Yeah, that's hilarious. You can't do that in the pro.

Well, Hank is really bad. And as a quarterback, like me and Big Cat, our salaries depend on a guy like the quarterback. Right, right. If we're not – if he's making us look bad, then it's like what are we going to do? We're just going to – we're going to become divas. So you guys are receivers? Well, we could be. We're just divas. Oh, okay. We're like diva wide receivers except we're not good at playing wide receivers. But like if you said to your huddle, you're like, hey, I got us guys. Let's go on a drive. And then you went three for 57. Yeah.

What do you think they would say? They'd probably lose a little trust in my abilities. Yeah, that's a good point. Trust. You said something in Pro Bowl week. Your wrist is still a little funky? I mean, I wouldn't say funky, but whenever you have a ligament injury, your joint is going to take around two years to –

get all the mobility back and everything that you feel like you need. And you still had the best year as a pro. So yeah, he is going for seven. Okay. This could be like rookie of the year situation. Like it healed. Have you ever seen that movie? No kid that, that breaks his arm. All of a sudden he can throw like 98 miles an hour. Oh, that would be great. Like if you have a ligament injury, maybe it just made you a better quarterback.

I hope so. Does it feel good right now? It feels good right now. There were a couple times I fell on it during the year. It didn't quite feel as good, I would say. And kind of just depending on the day. But we got into a good routine at the end of the year to feel as good as I could by Sunday. Having a fully healthy offseason, though, that'll probably be nice for you. Yeah, I haven't had a ton of those. Yeah.

I think that'll just help me level up even more because I'm not going to be focused on rehab and everything. I can just focus on quarterback specific things, working out, getting my body the way that I want to for the year. So I'm excited about that. Have you thought about maybe telling Coach Taylor, like I've been thinking about it a lot for the Bengals specifically, like a hypnotist comes in,

And convinces the whole locker room that week one is actually week four and you've already started 0-3. It's not a bad idea. Yeah, right? Because I feel like the first two weeks... We haven't gotten off to the greatest starts in my career, I would say. So hopefully we can figure out a way to change that. A hypnotist might not be a bad idea. Yeah, the urgency. Because I've...

I have power ranking. I have a computer that does power rankings every week, and it never gave up on the Bengals because I was just like, well, Joe Burrow's there, and they're going to figure it out. And it was close. It was close. You guys came so close. Once we hit four and eight, that was tough to come back from. Yeah, the four and eight, every week was just like shit. Every week felt like a heartbreaker. Yeah. I would get back to my house and be like, how the fuck did we lose that game? Yeah. All right, so we need a hypnotist or something.

What you could do is you could just play all your starters throughout the preseason and just lose those games. That's not a bad idea, too. And then week one is literally week four for you. I'm pro playing in the preseason, I would say. You didn't play in this last preseason. I played like seven snaps. Okay. You would have been 0 for 7 if you were Hank. Yeah.

Yeah. What does that feel like going out for a preseason game? You're like, you're going to go on the field and you're going to take two snaps, hand the ball off twice, and then leave the field. Yeah, it's weird because you're not game planning the opposing team. Like you'll watch a couple snaps of their defense before the game, but you're going out there and it's like, oh, I wonder what they're going to play. Because you don't really know, especially if it's a team that you haven't played before or a coordinator that you haven't played before. So it's...

The offense is at a disadvantage in the preseason, so I always feel bad for...

These young quarterbacks that go into the preseason and they play like shit because you're not going to play well in the preseason because your coaches aren't game planning their defense and you're just running out and running your training camp plays against a defense that those plays aren't built for. And so when people come out of the preseason, they're like, this guy stinks. Well, it's not exactly...

We do it the other way sometimes where somebody will be really good in the preseason and we'll be like, that guy should start. Yeah. Like Kyle Slaughter. He was a preseason legend for a long time as a backup. I don't think he ever played a snap. Could he run? Yeah, he could run a little bit. A lot of running quarterbacks excel in the preseason, I would say. Yeah. And you always think like going into the season, man, this guy should be getting snaps over Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. This guy's way better. Yeah.

You're running, I feel like you had a couple big runs this year. Whenever you get out in the open field, you're like, oh, fuck, I made a mistake. Me? Yeah, I'm about to get lit up. Is that the Bills this year? Yeah. I don't think I've ever really felt that way. Okay. I'm getting better at sliding and protecting myself. Yep. And I'm getting more agile, so I'm making some more people miss. I'm getting a little faster.

And I'm going to continue to work on that. So I'm just going to feel better and better about it. You are getting faster. That's crazy. I didn't know you could get faster. Yeah, you've got to get slower every day of my life. You just have to run fast. Yeah. You get a very long slide now, I've noticed. Yeah. You go like seven yards on a slide. I know. I haven't quite perfected it. Like Lamar will do some...

like weird stuff and then get down without getting hit i'm not i don't have that in me i don't think so i'm just going to do the baseball slide i'd like to not go as far i would say but i feel like my slide into knee into the ground pop up it's good it's cool it's good lamar likes to dive at people's knees yes that's which is like a pretty effective way i think to avoid because when he gets close to people everybody just breaks down because they're so worried about

him making a miss. Right. So then he starts going like that and then everybody stops and then he just goes down. He gets everyone on their heels. Yeah. I don't get anybody to stop like that. Do you ever, do you ever like learn new moves for open field running? Definitely. Like you watch YouTube and you're like, okay, I could do this or. I mean, more so like I practice it walking around. Like I'll be walking through a hall or like in my house and I'll like.

Try something like a spin. I'm working on a spin move right now. A Euro step. I love that. Yeah. Just Euro stepping random people on the street. Yeah, exactly. That's just guys being dudes where I just cross people off. Do you have any pets? I don't have any pets. I had pets when I was little though. I had a cat. I had two turtles.

I had two frogs and I had a lizard. Whoa. It's kind of freaky. That's borderline kind of a weirdo kid. I know. If you went snake, if you added one more snake, I've been like, oh, this isn't funny anymore. Yeah. I used to love going to the pet store and getting the crickets and feeding them to my lizard. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what was your lizard's name? Lizzie. Okay. That's a good name. That's solid. Smart. I was going to say, if you had a dog, you could just juke out your dog. Dogs are too much for me.

I like being around dogs, but I couldn't live with a dog, I don't think. You think you just love it too much? I think they're just too in your face. They do like to be in your face. That is true. Just do your own thing for a little bit. You're a cat guy. I'm a cat guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you were a dog or a cat, I would say Joe Burrow, cat. Yeah, for sure. I know you're going to be asked this a lot because, obviously, T. Higgins is a free agent, and they're going to be like, hey, Joe, will you take...

a restructure of your deal. I'm not going to ask if you're going to restructure your deal. I'm going to actually ask, what does that mean? Restructuring a deal. Can you explain it to us? Like we're five. Yeah. So you could do a couple of different things. You could convert some of the money to a signing bonus, which will lower the cap hit. You can push some of the money to the back end of the contract. And then when you get to the, that lowers the cap hit. And then when you get to the back end of the contract, you can restructure it.

And

convert it to a signing bonus. Okay. And then you can also just take less money. And which one were you going to do? We'll see. Okay. I don't like what Big Cat's doing, Joe. I think that you deserve every penny that you've signed for. You don't have to restructure anything. Don't feel like, oh, I have to keep T around. It's not your responsibility. That's on the team. I think T's entitled to make his money, but you're entitled to make your money too, Joe. Don't listen to this guy. Restructuring... This guy's big business right now. You don't take any less money, right? You just get... You could. Okay. You could, but most of the guys just...

convert it to... To a signing bonus. Yeah. Is that... You would do that? I would do that. Okay. Okay. I don't like what he's doing. He's putting pressure on you. You should feel entitled to the money that you've earned. It is a weird situation, though, that you're in because, like, I think that's just part of what happens with quarterbacks where it's like there's a little more pressure on them where they have the biggest deal, so if they want to get flexibility, a lot of times it comes down to the quarterback to have to be the guy who has to step up and do that. Yeah. At the same time, though, the...

This was the last year that all the COVID cap money restrictions across the league were implemented, so...

the next like three or four years i think the cap's gonna just caps going up the caps going up okay we just keep saying caps going up caps going to higgins and went up like eight percent last year it'll probably be similar you've looked at this you've definitely crunched you've definitely like been laying in bed late at night just looking at like a spreadsheet being like okay all right you understand the cap i mean not really kind of because we don't think that it exists way more than we do well that

Definitely some teams seem to make it feel that way. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the Saints have just pretended it doesn't exist for a while. And the Eagles are paying everybody. Yeah. Yeah. So that seems like the way whatever they're doing. I feel like adjusting the salary cap is like the final boss of how many different things can we change because of COVID.

Yeah. It's like COVID happened. Okay, well, we're going to have to redo the NFL salary cap, obviously. We need to make some changes there. Well, it's weird. In baseball, you have no... I don't know what the... But some teams are paying like...

and some teams are paying like $500 million. I don't think that's the way to do it. And the Shohei contract that's like $700 million, but he just gets $2 million deferred. Yeah, we'll pay you in like 50 years. Which is insane. I don't understand any of that. What was the deal with –

He got into some controversy, didn't he? Yeah. His translator, Ipe. Might have had a little gambling problem. I figured you guys would know the ins and outs of that. Maybe, perhaps. Yeah, it was a situation. It's good to have a translator because that person is the ultimate fall guy.

I didn't even understand what you guys were saying. I can't even answer your questions right now. What is this? We were joking at the time. It would be so funny if it all happened and Shohei was like Kaiser Soze and he just had a New Jersey accent and just started talking in perfect English. It was like, I've been playing all you fuckers. You should get a translator. That would be awesome. Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah, that way that person does all your interviews. You just sit next to him, checking DraftKings. I'm going to put in a parlay here. Okay, good, good, good.

Yeah, so this has been a fun year for you. In other ways, maybe not so much. But this offseason, what are you doing to improve your game? You're getting faster, I know that. But is there anything that you work on in the offseason and you say, I'm going to focus on this? I think I'm at the point in my career where I'm not really... There's not really anything that I'm like, okay, this needs to get better. This is... I feel like I'm pretty well-rounded and everything is pretty dang good. But...

When everything's pretty dang good or great, you can always continue to improve those things and get better at them. So I'm kind of just always improving a little bit of everything. Strength, speed, mechanics, movement, efficiency, you know, all those things. I like that. Just do exactly what you've been doing, but do it harder. Yeah. Or, you know, when I noticed that as you get older, you don't quite, you know, you put the same time in the off season, but when you get to the season, you...

you don't have to quite grind as much because you've seen so much football now and you've played most of these defensive coordinators before and they're all, they're doing the same stuff. You know, there's little game plan things here and there, but you know, you've, you've seen most of the defenses. What's your hair plan for next year?

That's a good question. I have a suggestion. I don't know what I'm going to do yet. I don't really know what I'm going to do until like a couple days before I do it. Yeah? I would say. I kind of want to grow it out a little bit, but we'll see. What about a mullet? I've thought about the mullet. You should do a mullet. You know, I thought about the mullet when I was in college because I grew my hair out in the off seasons in college. So I was going to go mullet into my last year at LSU. That would have been a fun year to have a mullet, but

You just have to grow it out so much, and then, I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. I mean, your hair seems to grow fast, though. It does. Because when you shave it, it's like four weeks later. It's like, oh, yeah. Remember when Joe shaved his head a month ago? Now he's got normal hair. Yeah. It grows very fast. Slim, shady look was interesting. I thought that that was...

intentionally done for preseason and that you would dye it back once the regular season started. I did it because I wanted frosted tips. But I've never seen frosted tips look good if you just go to the salon and get them. So I just went...

Brute force, shaved it, dyed it, and then let it grow out. So then I had the frosted tips. All right. So I know you got a rungs. You got a bunch of stuff going on today. But I got one last question. Roback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback.com. Promo code TAKE. So I know you're doing a bunch of interviews today. I also know you're not really big on social media. So I just wanted to give you – I'm just giving you something that I saw because I was literally –

name searching Joe Burrow before you came on to see if there's anything that was going on in the last like two days. Um, this is just from a random person. It's a clip of you at the pro bowl. It says, I need him in ways that would set feminism back a hundred years. Um,

What does that mean? I think it's a woman who thinks you're very attractive. So just take that with you. Just take that with you. That's just like, well, you don't pull up the ego. Nice little confidence booster. I appreciate that. I saw another one from a similar account that said God made men and then sent us Joe Burrow as an apology. Yeah. Wait.

Oh, because, okay. Oh, okay, because all men suck and you don't. All men suck, but not you. Okay. Yeah, so there you go. Take those with you. Thank you for everything that you've done for men, Joe. Those didn't sound like questions, guys. Yeah, no, they weren't. That wasn't. It was a real back statement. Nice. All right, well, great seeing you, Joe. Thanks so much, man. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

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Okay, we're going to do some guys on chicks real quick, and then we're going to finish off with Firefest because this is the end of the week for us. We have Dungeons and Dragons coming Friday for the people. Hank, guys on chicks. Guys on chicks. I meant to bring it up in a hot sequel, but I forgot. Montoya. Montoya. He's going through hell. He went through it again.

Dude, I said last night... It's a show. I don't even know how to explain it. It's like the crazy show of all time. It's just a fuck show. Well, it's Temptation Island, Spanish version. And Montoya, for anyone who hasn't followed, he has the worst ROI of all time on a lap dance because he got a lap dance. And then his girlfriend on the other island decided to just spend the next week fucking this random guy, getting the bongos played on her ass.

And Montoya has to watch all of this happen. And he's just... I mean, credit to Montoya. He is... He's great on camera. He just...

Basically, imagine if you're... How long has this relationship been going? Montoya's basically... If you were watching the World Cup and a player just lost in a terrible, terrible way, and you know how soccer players are usually very animated? That's Montoya every episode watching his girlfriend get smoked. This guy absolutely hates it when his girlfriend cheats on him. Yeah. Just like really watching her go to town. The one that I saw today, they were under the covers.

And they include, I think they might have like added in sound effects. Yeah. Because that smack sound, she was getting it in. To the wall. Hey guys, I need your help picking out a Valentine's Day gift for my fiance. In the past, I've made slash gotten my fiance sentimental things, but I don't think guys really like that stuff. And I don't expect him to tell me that if he really doesn't. If I were you all,

If it were you all, what are some things you would all actually enjoy getting that aren't basic? Thanks and go Dukes. Cash. My answer is always cash. I think a good one for girls is just like whatever sports team or find like a retro shirt or hat or something. Okay. It's not basic, but it's a little it's thoughtful. Counterpoint cash. You can buy whatever you want with cash.

Even if you have a joint bank account, no one has ever gotten the gift of cash and been like, ew, no. Have you ever been like that with a gift card, though? Yeah. Gift card boxes you in. Cash is limitless. The problem with gift card is you never spend the full amount. Yeah. Maybe get them some. Or you have to make yourself spend way more money because you're using the gift card to get a discount on it. Also could get them some jail stool. No, don't do that. Bad idea.

I would, let's see, a good gift for your fiance. Cash. I don't know if cash is really the way to go. Hank is- Always. I think if you share the personal account, it's like, what are you going to do with cash? It's still awesome to get cash. I guess fiance, maybe. When does that happen? Yeah. It's what? When does the joint account happen? Yeah, fiance, marriage. Some people don't even have it. Some people don't even have it. Cash. Cash.

It's still awesome to get cash even if you have a joint account. Or like an activity. Go on a trip together.

Buy concert tickets. Cash. Sports tickets. Cash. Cash is king. Golf balls. Why do females typically not like guys playing video games? Seems there could be much worse activities out there. It's a way guys can also hang out without going anywhere. All in all, not one guy complains when a girl goes out with her friends. Eh. We just hop on the game. What is the game for girls and how do we get them excited about it like guys do for games and get treated the same when it's flipped?

Wait, so she's saying why do girls care so much when guys play video games? Like this is the guy asking why his girlfriend doesn't like video games. Because you're paying attention to something very closely. You're paying attention to it way, way more closely than you pay attention to her. Also, video games by nature, we've all been trapped in one, you know, been obsessed with one. When you remove yourself from it, you do realize you did nothing.

So I think they're seeing it from that angle where they're looking at it and being like, you just spent six hours. And in your head, when you're in it,

yeah, I'm squatting up with the boys. We're going on missions. This is fun. Or I'm finishing my dynasty. I'm accomplishing something. From the outside, they're like, you've done nothing. I also think girls, their kind of video games are shows, but those are more time. They watch for an hour. They watch The Bachelor. They'll watch something for an hour or two. Video games, if you really like playing video games, you could play forever. Ever. Yeah, forever. That's true. I'm getting off in a minute, but if you're playing a battle royale, like

What feels like a minute is actually 40. Yeah, I do think girls... And then you look up, you're like, oh, shit. I think girls, they care when... They see you so engaged in the video game, and you, like, look forward to it, and you know everything about the video game. You pay super close attention. And then they're just like, I wish that when I talk to you, you would pay attention to me in that same way that you do your video game. Why don't you talk to me like you talk to your boys? Yeah. Like, suck my dick, fuck you! Yeah, that kind of stuff. Eat my pussy. What they should do is...

They should make a boyfriend simulator game. That'd be good. If they made a good one. Maybe get her into video games. Probably not, though. Yeah. Try. Yeah. I don't know. There's something about it. We're wired a certain way that when we start a game...

Just got to finish it. Just got to finish it. Or, yeah, you got to get a win. And that is – And the problem is, I don't know, you guys might be different, but, like, my relationship with video games has always been if I have a game, I'm obsessed, obsessed with it for, like, a two- to three-week stretch, and that's all I think about. And I could see how that would be annoying on the outside where it's like you're at dinner having a conversation and all you're thinking about, like, is I got to get a four-star linebacker for my team.

I was full on addicted to Call of Duty for like a solid two years. Oh yeah, I've been in that. I've been in that for sure. Like COVID. I think the move, like once I moved and I think it just, it was part of my routine and it's not really anymore. But looking back, like it was all I thought about. And I was trying to play for like, sometimes I just play for 12 hours a day. That's a lot. Now it's golf. Yeah. Golf. Yeah.

You remember when you were addicted to golf video games? I still, PGA 2K is coming out. I'm excited for that. Yeah. That game's fun as fuck. Yeah, it's a great combo. Yeah. Golf, and then when it's dark, just play golf. Mm-hmm. Last one. Hey, pardon my take. Great pod, big fan. I'm a nurse, and nearly all my coworkers are chicks. What? Nurses are hot. It's a dude. And I had a few over for the Super Bowl. How's the dude? I thought this guy's on chicks, and he's a nurse.

I got drunk and called Kelsey a pussy bitch after her second drop in the first half. Maybe a dude. A few chicks didn't like that. They are Kelsey fans and were offended by the verbiage. Is this something I have to address with my coworkers? I'm just used to watching ball with the boys while I was rowdy. No, I feel like nurses are like...

Yeah, listen, one thing I know about nurses is when they're not on the clock, they fucking party. Yeah, they're hot. It's not like corporate. This is a Swifty thing, too. That's why they're upset. Yeah, and I think nurses and doctors have, what, like a five times greater likelihood to smoke cigarettes? Yeah. Like, they don't give a fuck. Also, if we're being honest, Kelsey was kind of playing like a PAB. For sure.

Like, that's just a fact. The Chiefs didn't play well, right, Max? Yeah, little boy ass play. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, try that out next time. Little boy ass. Did you say that at all during the Super Bowl? No, but the original tweet was about Travis Kelsey. Little boy ass play. Little boy ass play. Okay, let's do Firefest. I can't believe you tweeted that out. So good. So good.

Okay, uh firefest time because we are going on vacation. So friday, we have our dungeons and dragons episode monday We will have uh about 20 minutes of us on zoom catching up on the weekend and then an nba preview with ryan rassillo Then we will all be back together on uh for wednesday's show. So no, we're not missing any shows We'll just have a little bit of a different schedule, uh for the next few episodes so firefest hank

Kind of impossible to have a fire fest right before a vacation. Yeah, you're feeling it right now. Well, my sleep schedule is cooked. Cooked. I have not come back from New Orleans. Like, I was up yesterday at 5 a.m., couldn't fall back asleep. Was up today at 4 a.m., couldn't fall back asleep. Sounds like you're thinking about Josh Allen being MVP. Got up, yeah, got up, and then fell asleep at, like, 7 on my couch almost immediately.

I'm all over the place, sleep schedule-wise. Okay, I feel bad for you. Yeah, it's vacation. You're going to stay that out on vacation. How many rounds? Well, I'm going a day early now because there's going to be snow in Chicago, so I'm adding an extra one. Oh, so you have to go. That's nice. You've got to go a day early.

I do. Yeah, I know. Are you planning to go to like when you get into town? Did you add the next round? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Nice. But it's because of the snow. It's the snow. Well, yeah, I was like, well, I should go Tuesday. Hit up our friend Isner and was like, hey, you around? He's like, yep, come play golf. I was like, fine. You know what? Got to because of the snow. So Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Friday, Saturday. So wait, what? Say it again. 36 Friday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. The six rounds.

Yeah. Wow. Nice. That's too much golf. At some point, you got to be like, this is too much. Well, the one tomorrow is like, I don't have any choice. Right. He's forced to. But like, come Sunday, are you still going to wake up like, oh, I'm itching. I am itching to get another round. No, I would say after. The second round Friday, I'll probably be hungover and my body will be sore. It sounds like torture.

And I'll be like, I'm cooked. I'll fight through. You know what? For the people, I'll fight through. I think what Max is asking is, aren't you going to get bored of playing golf at some point this week? No, because I miss it so much. Mm-hmm.

yeah what if you suck oh i'll definitely suck that's a shame i'll report back okay good uh dying to know uh hank did ask me the other day he's like hey are you gonna play golf on your vacation i was like i don't think so he's like can i borrow your bag your travel bag so i have to run home at lunch and get the travel bag for hank so he can get his golf in tomorrow it's bros helping bros yeah what it's huge they make me feel bad for asking you for a favor

No, I'm just stating facts. He's just stating that he helped you. You love facts. Yeah. True. I'm trying to get you fired up. Well, we can't get him fired up. We can help him, but we can never get him fired up. Yeah. We can never light that fire in Hank. He's probably pumped to see Isner. He's like, finally, a guy with the energy down here. Yeah, fire me up. Yeah, he'll tase you. Literally fire you up. Will you get tased this weekend, Hank? Listen, it's okay. We're not Missoula and Gruden. No, you're not. And that's why I kind of feel bad, but also you guys know you're not.

No one is. PFT.

different motivation tactics uh my fire fest all somewhat vacation related really tough to have a fire fest when you're going on a vacation it's nice to nice to get somewhere warm really good going um i guess the only fire fest i would have would be that i really wanted to play golf this weekend and i don't have my travel bag and i mean what's better than playing golf on an island on vacation it's like all i've looked forward to doing for the last three months but hank needs my bag so i'm going to give hank my

bag i can get another bag i have a second option like he's got a bag yeah yeah no you can have my bag i can tell them in a lot to you my real fire fest is going on vacation this week and i did get my chest waxed last week down in new orleans oh yeah that did happen it did happen so i'm gonna be hairless uh in a swimsuit on the beach and whatever lotion they put on really did not agree with with my chest and i got a little little rash going on my chest right now

I'm not looking forward to being shirtless this weekend. Yeah, I completely memory hold the fact because that feels like it happened 10 years ago. Yeah, it's gotten a lot better since the day after, but my chest is not at its best right now. How is time working out in your brain right now, Max? Can't be going well. No, I'm cooked. My whole body is just done.

All right, my fire fest. I actually, the body beat done. I knew this was going to happen, but like clockwork, we turned 40, and now I'm just starting to get random injuries. I just got like a tennis elbow in my left arm, which I don't have.

I don't play tennis or golf, and I'm a righty. And then my right arm, I've had a broken pinky for three months, and Super Bowl week just demolished me because I was shaking hands. And every time I was like, fuck, this hurts. But I think I'm going to get in shape, and I have an announcement for you guys. You ready for this? Yeah. I think I'm going to dunk. No way. Yeah. I think I'm going to dunk. There's no way. I think I'm going to dunk. Have you ever dunked before? I've never dunked, but I think I'm going to train and dunk.

How tall are you? 6'3". You can do it. I think you can do it, too, for sure. Big Cat can do it. I have a ton of faith in you. I think I'm going to dunk. I think I'm going to dunk. I hope you could, too.

You would have to lose a lot of weight. Okay. All right. But that's fine. It's like, really, you're walking around has really trained your leg muscles. Yeah. So you've got strong legs. I don't know when I'm going to dunk. I'm not going to put a time on it or a bet on it, but I think I'm just going to dunk. Good. Good luck. Thank you. You can definitely do it. You sound like you're supportive, Hank. No, I mean, I know what you're doing. I would be happy if you did. I'm trying to dunk. I know you're not going. You don't. I would...

You don't believe him? Wow. I've been there. I've been where you are. I understand where you're headed. You tried to dunk? Yeah. I'm still going to. I don't even remember it because you were so far away from it. I think I can do it. No, I was fucking close. You were not close. I was close. You were not close. I was close. You were not close. You touched the rim. You were not close to dunking. I was close. You were not close. I think if you gave Big Cat what? In what world were you close to dunking?

I jumped 10 feet, four inches. I needed to get 10, six. If you get big at a year, he could do it. We'll see. I'm not going to put any pressure on myself. I'm just going to try. You know what? I also am going to be. Yeah. You should have John Gruden coach you and train you. Cause he'll get you fired up. Yeah, that's true. It's a fact. All right. I'm going to try to dunk. Do we have any other, uh, any other hobbies that we're deciding to pick up this off season? Dunking. Dunking. Hank, any changes you're going to make to your life?

Post-football? I'm currently the fattest I've ever been, so I'm going to work on that. Get fatter? Yeah, but you're a champion when you're fat. Yeah, no, I got to. That's it. You can't really think about changing your ways before vacation, but in a week from now, I will. Fitness vacation. Fitness vacation. Well, you got PFT. You want to dunk with me?

I could try to dunk. I'm focused right now on long drive because I got a bet coming up. Oh, yeah. That I've been training on already. Yeah. I don't know if everyone here has been training on it. So I'm just going to try to get my drive up. I have been training on it. Over 300 yards if I can. I'm getting more tattoos. I am too. I'm low-key addicted to getting tattoos. I am as well. Are you also? I'm going to get at least two or three more. I'm just going to say fuck it. They're not going to be crazy big or anything. I'm just...

We're just going to do our midlife crisis with tattoos. Yes. Which is kind of badass by us where it's like we just became a tattoo podcast out of nowhere. I feel like I just see Chris Long and I'm like, that's what a real podcast host looks like. Yeah. I might get a teardrop tattoo. How sick would that be? Well, yeah. I'm going to get another one as well. So maybe we link up, get them together. Maybe we get matching ones. I like that. That'd be cool. We get the flight simulator going in the office.

Yeah. A lot of stuff. I'm excited for that. I want to get on that flight simulator. A lot of stuff going on. Yeah. Okay. Numbers and get ready for Dungeons and Dragons on Friday. Also, prostate exam. Do we have to do that? I think so. I thought that was 45. Might as well get it early. Shut up, memes. Memes wants us to dump. No, but you should be rooting for us not to get a prostate exam. 40. You need one. You need it checked. I have to get one early because prostate cancer runs in my family. Yeah. Okay. Three. Five. We can all go at the same time. Okay. We should do that.

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