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Thanksgiving. We start in Cincinnati where the scoring started when it's Cam Taylor. Brittany Bitch ran back an interception for a touchdown starting what would be a shootout in the AFC North. Russell Wilson opened up a can of whoop-ass hitting Calvin Stone Cold Steve Austin for a touchdown as well as visiting the Friarmouth Ferry for another score. As for the Bengals, the

A late plain white T. Higginson touchdown wasn't enough, and they're singing, Hey there, Lombardi, what's it like in Playoff City? I'm a thousand miles away, but girl, you look so pretty. Yes, you do. As Cincinnati's playoff chances are officially D-E-A-D dead. Steelers 44, Bengals 38.

We go over to Atlanta where Plaid McConkie ran some complicated but interesting winter patterns. And Kirk Cousins had some wicked interceptions that were defying gravity as he should have spent more time in his bi-week engineering scores and less time singing along to them. The Chargers defense had Jim Harbaugh saying, "'Tarheib's still rocking the khakis with a cuff in the crease, and I'm still on the sidelines rocking clates. It's the Chargers, 17. The Falcons, 13."

Up to Minnesota. Wake up, wake up. It's the first of the month. As Johnny was able to score in a furious Vikings comeback. Johnny was able to score in a furious Vikings comeback.

Jonathan Gannon-Elizabeth said Nadia to putting the ball in the end zone, instead choosing for five field goals from Chad. This land is your land, this land is Rylan. And the game came down to Sam Darnold Palmer, who is all man by the way, finding Karen Jones for the go-ahead touchdown as Cardinals fans left with a disappointing Yelp review. Hello, 911, yes, we lost a game that we should have won. We need a police officer here right now.

Vikings 23, Cardinals 22. And we head to Foxborough where Henry Lockwood was on the scene. Down to Foxborough where Anthony Sha'Carri Richardson was smoking the Pats defense running the ball down the field all day long. But we'll get to that later.

Jonathan, the tool man, Taylor caught a TD to give the Colts an early lead, but Draco Mayfield was feeling dangerous, gunning it to Hunter Henry Biden, but couldn't get him apart and into the end zone.

He did connect with his dog, Austin Booper, in the third quarter, though, to give the pass a lead. This game came all the way down to the wire before Anthony Payton Pritchardson at the buzzer. Bang! Punches in the two-point conversion to give the Colts a 25-24 victory. Thanks, Hank. Way to work it, Payton Pritchard there. I noticed that even when you lose...

You'll win. Peyton Richardson. We now head to the happiest member of Pardon My Take. It's memes in the swamp of the Meadowlands. In New York, where Geno Smith finally showed up to play the charity case that is the New York Jets. Ric Flair, Kanae, Quang, whoo, strutted like the nature boy for 99 yards for a Jets touchdown. Jason Mike Myers said, I'll take three, my lord, to bring the Seahawks within two. And Leonard Williams...

Finished old Aaron Yeller Rogers off by shooting him in the head and sacking him dead. Seahawks 26, Jets 21.

We go to Jacksonville where Aziz Alshahir, responsible, knocked Trevor Lordrance of the Rings into concussion protocol, bringing on the return of the Mac as Jones was forced into the game. The Jaguars mounted a furious comeback with Brian Thomas, the tank engine, who looked at his owner and said, I think I can. I think I can. But PJ Stroud tucked him. Good night. Sleep tight. Don't let the bed dugs bite. As Peterson is still the coach of the Jaguars, I guess.

Huh? Huh? Doug Purcell didn't get fired yet? Somehow? The Texans, 23. The Jags, 20.

We'll be right back.

popped out of the coffin and reminded everyone you can't kill a dead man as Chase McLaughlin's sanity struck with two field goals late for the win. Bucs 26, Panthers 23. We head on now to Baltimore where Max is back. We head over to Baltimore where Justin Sucker continues to have a sucky year of sucking as he missed two field goals and an extra point.

Hey, Mr. DeGreen, Mr. DeGreen, I just want you to know that I think that you're the best ever for laying the BOOM on Derrick Henry! Christopher Nolan Smith Jr. has gone nuclear.

Thanks, Max. We finish in our nation's capital where the Hennessy Titans looked like they were a little drunk and bottled up. Probably not.

Brian's Swiss family Robinson was very hard for the Titans D to read, but the film will be easier to understand. Meanwhile, Will Lettuce didn't wilt down, mostly because he was kept in a lot of airtight sacks.

Jaden Manhattan Daniels made this a laugher for the ROM commanders, disappearing behind his linemen like skinny from the block, running up the score, leading some to accuse Dan Quingeman Netanyahu of really overdoing it with a bunch of weapons provided to him by Washington. The commanders, 42. The titans, 19.

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Okay, week 13 in the books. What a week of football. What a week of football. It was crazy. We've had football since Thursday morning. Yeah, well, including Maction, too. Obviously Maction. Yeah, it was...

Thanksgiving week goes exactly the same every year where somewhere around like Saturday afternoon, my body starts to like be like, you can't just do this every single day where all you do is eat leftovers and watch football from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to sleep. What's awesome about about Saturdays, you get second Saturday.

Yeah. Because Friday is basically Saturday on Thanksgiving week. Correct. And then you wake up and you get to redo Saturday all over again. Correct. So it feels like forever ago, but we are going to talk about the Thanksgiving Day games. This was actually the... I was very close...

to texting the boys on Thanksgiving being like, should we do an emergency pod? Because Lions 23, Bears 20. What a game that was. It was everything. It was something. It was literally every Bears game in one where it was a nationally televised game with the Bears looking as bad as possible in the first half, just being a joke of a team in front of the entire country.

Then Caleb Williams playing phenomenal football in the second half, having them come all the way back and then losing in. They have invented new ways to lose. They have lost six in a row. I believe now the Hail Mary two games where they quit a block field goal against your rival, an overtime loss, and then the timeout game.

It's insane.

And then people tune out. Right. And then they don't see the Bears come back. And then they look up when somebody tells them, hey, the Bears actually just made this a football game. You should probably watch the end of it. And then you get to see the Bears lose at the very end. So they get all the dog shit from the Bears. And a lot of people miss out on any of the good stuff that ever happens. Thanksgiving, everyone stays watching. And they watch the whole thing. And it was just an epic.

like failure of an ending, but God bless the broken road that led us to Matt Eberfluss being fired for the first time in a hundred years for the Chicago bears. You've had the, you've had the necklace removed from your neck. Yeah. It was, it was obvious that it had to happen because there's never been a worse coach in close games than Matt Eberfluss. Like I think that statistically actually has proven true. The timeout,

So, obviously, Caleb deserves some blame for it. But in hearing everything, basically, and I talked to some guys. I talked to our good friend Kyle Long, and I was like, tell me straight, what happens here? He's like, look, it's probably 50-50 Caleb Matt Eberflus, but the second...

there's any hesitation, it's like 80-20 Matt Iberflues-Caleb, where it's the second there's hesitation, the coach, his job is to hit a timeout there and be like, whoa, shit's getting out of control. We got to hit a timeout and reset. And Matt Iberflues talking after the game basically didn't take any ownership and said, well, this is how we wanted to set it up. And in explaining how he wanted to set it up, he literally explained that if you had called a timeout with 30 seconds left, you would have set up exactly what you wanted to do, which is get another 5-10 yards and

Clock the ball. If you don't get a first down, with 30 seconds, you can rush everyone out. If you do, you clock the ball, you kick a field goal, try to go to overtime. He also acted like it would be impossible to throw the ball to somebody and then get out of bounds. Yeah. He was like, well, we want to keep that timeout because we wanted to have a timeout for a field goal unit, the operation to get on the field. Acting like it would be impossible to get out of bounds or throw an incomplete pass.

The whole thing was just a perfect encapsulation of Matt Eberflus being one of the worst crunch time coaches possible. So I knew – I said it on Wednesday's show. I was like, this is – and I was actually like – I do my hit with Waddle and Sylvie every Wednesday, and I said to them, I was like –

you know, this is the last day that we're going to have to watch a Matt Eberflus coach team. And they're like, no way, no way. I was like, no, I seriously, I didn't think it was going to go down this way, but I thought he was going to get fired on Friday morning. And then to add just the perfect cherry on top, the Bears even fucked up his firing where I know how the Bears operate. What happened is this.

On Wednesday or Thursday, it's Thanksgiving. It's a holiday. The Bears have that terrible, terrible loss. You could read the tea leaves in the locker room like Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles were sticking around in the locker room extra long, talking to players, all this stuff. Ryan Poles and Kevin Warren can't make a decision without George McCaskey. George McCaskey probably was like, it's Thanksgiving. Don't call me.

So they weren't able to talk to George McCaskey about firing Matt Iberflues until Friday morning. Matt Iberflues had his scheduled 9 a.m. press conference. They were doing the meeting talking about firing him while he was doing the press conference. He gets out of the press conference like, oh yeah, by the way, you're fired. That's just how dysfunctional this team and this organization is that they couldn't reach probably the owner on Thanksgiving to

To be like, hey, just so you know, we got to fire this guy. He's a fucking moron. And in the press conference, Ibraflus was asked, I think, three or four times, like, hey, are you fired yet? Yeah. Do you think you're going to be fired? That's all they kept asking him over and over. He's like, well, we do our normal operation. He calls everything an operation, by the way. We do everything, you know, according to the standard procedure, which is we talk right after the game, and then we're going to talk the next day. And, yeah, as he's having that press conference, he's being fired.

Yep. He doesn't know about it. Then he goes, he gets fired. Do you think in a weird way that this was like a job interview, like the Bears were interviewing for Ben Johnson during the game? During the game? It's like, do we look enticing enough for you, Ben, to want to come coach us next season? Here's the thing. I want Ben Johnson. I also, I want to say this because I'm, I'm...

I'm going to get optimistic about whoever the Bears hire, even though they'll probably end up with the fourth option. I want Ben Johnson or Mike Vrabel. The one thing with Ben Johnson, and I think he's a very good play caller, do you get his offensive line too?

Because a lot of his play calls are good because he has an offensive line that is elite. And they take a little bit longer to develop. And I think Ben Johnson would be good no matter what. But then again, the Bears organization will probably ruin anyone because at the end of the day, it's the McCaskies. And it's Virginia McCaskie who is very, very old, but she put her dumb,

son in charge who says that he's not a football guy who in the, I think he took over in like 2011. They have been to the playoffs twice in those, in the 14 years, they've won zero playoff games. They've fired five head coaches. They fired three GMs. They fired three offensive coordinators. They have been 93 and 130 in,

No matter what they do, George McCaskey and the McCaskey family still runs his team, and they are a joke, and they are terrible owners, and I don't know. He does the worst thing where he doesn't want to –

But then he also needs to probably be consulted to fire a head coach. It's like, dude, that's meddling. And he also puts Kevin Warren, who was supposed to build a stadium, in charge of now the head coach. Because Ryan Poles is safe, but Kevin Warren is... I don't know if you saw that. Rappaport was like, Ryan Poles will be helping Kevin Warren in search of the new head coach. Kevin Warren hates football.

Yeah, if I do this, listen, if you're not a football guy and you're in charge of a football team, you should probably try to find a different job. I'm sure you can find a different. I'm sure that there's a number of foundations around Chicago that would like a McCaskey to be in charge of them. It's a joke, man. You should become a football guy once you become the head of a football. You would think the family business, your grandfather started basically started the NFL, the family business. And you're like, yeah, I'm actually not a big football fan.

Well, no, he does say he's a big football fan. He just says he doesn't know football. So you should learn football, though. Yes, you should learn to love football. If you're growing up and you're watching the 85 Bears, you should become obsessed with football. You would think. Normal children would become... I question their parenting now. Yeah. For not getting their children and their grandchildren into football to the point where they become football guys. But he's been running the show for 14 years, and it's been an absolute failure. And so...

I don't think anything is going to... I'm going to be... Again, I will be optimistic because I'm optimistic by nature whenever they announce the new head coach. And I will say, just because I have to be fair, good job firing the head coach when it was clear he needed to be fired because you were going to... Like, Brisker, I don't know if you guys saw, but he hated Matty Berfus. He's just been subtweeting him. Caleb Williams is good, and I know that people will... There's a lot of people who box score watch or they've only seen him in primetime games. Caleb Williams is very, very good. He's on pace for...

3,700 yards, 20 plus touchdowns and less than 10 interceptions. The only other rookies to do it, I would assume Jane Daniels is going to do it. Maybe Bo Nix, but the only other two rookies to do those numbers are Justin Herbert and CJ Stroud. And he's been going in his heads. He's had, he's going to be on his third offensive coordinator in one season and his second head coach because Thomas Brown is now interim. So I would assume he's not going to be calling all the plays. It's,

insane how good Caleb Williams has been given how bad the coaching has been and what they've done in terms of coaching to stunt his growth. Yeah, so looking at Thomas Brown, the interim head coach, I don't know much about the guy, but just off the measureables. Running back coach for the Badgers when they ran all over Will Compton. Sorry, Will Compton. Right, so here's what I like about his measureables.

He is 5'8 and 203 pounds. Stout man. He was at one point the strength and conditioning coach for the University of Georgia. I like these credentials as an interim head coach. McVeigh tree. McVeigh tree. And by the way, I want to stick up for you real quick, Big Cat. A lot of people out there, because I get tagged in a lot of them, are doing some very mean Photoshopps. And I would like to put a list of names on a please do not Photoshop this coach as head coach of the Bears list. Okay.

Ryan Day. Yeah. Please stop with Ryan Day photoshops. Cliff Kingsbury. Cliff Kingsbury. Good offensive coordinator. Please do not put him on photoshops. Good offensive coordinator. Ron Rivera. Please do not put him. We like him. Nice guy. Don't put him on. Mike McCarthy. Don't put him on. Mike McCarthy saved his job. Mike Malarkey. He's already been offered the job. Mike Malarkey? He's been offered the job, according to Ian Rapoport. Yeah, that's true. Hugh Jackson.

Please stop. Do not Photoshop these. How do we feel about Rex Ryan? Do not Photoshop those. That's on the Do Not Photoshop list. Okay, that's all I had on my list. But it's most importantly, no Ryan Day. Yeah. Stop doing that. I mean, all in all, it was just a chaotic 24 hours on Thanksgiving. It put me in a tailspin for the second half of Thanksgiving Day.

Yeah, where were you watching and how did that affect the rest of Thanksgiving dinner and the kids? The kids were kind of all over me during the game, so I had to remove myself and watch it in my bedroom and then scream at the TV. And then, yeah, I was not...

I wasn't a joy to be around. I would say I wasn't a joy to be around, but in a way it's like, this is so bad that they have to do something. Yeah, no, I was a joy to be around on Friday. Friday. It was until the Badgers lost, by the way, fun fact, uh, people are like, Hey, you're so negative. Hey, why are you in such a bad mood? Um, now that the month of November is gone, I did not win a football game in the month of November.

between the Wisconsin Badgers and the Chicago Bears. I think I went 0-9. That's really hard to do. It's a bad month. That's really, really hard to do. And I lost in really bad ways. Like left and right, everything. Every way I lost, I basically picked. If you had to write, how can you lose a game? I checked every single box. It's a pretty incredible run you went on. It's generational. It's really, really bad. So yeah, it was a tough...

It was tough, Hank. Thankfully, I had the Cowboys, so that bounced me back a little. But yeah, Thanksgiving... Listen, Thanksgiving, people were like, oh, it's fun. It's about family and stuff. No, it's about trying to win bets and not have your team lose. And I just wish we wouldn't play on Thanksgiving because I knew it was going to be bad. I didn't think it was going to be that bad. I mean, you guys were watching. It's a bad game. When the timeout happened, were you just... I was just sitting there like, how is this happening? Yeah. We were just watching. It was watching a car crash, but...

It wasn't even watching a car crash because he was watching a car crash, but you could stop time and be like, hey, dude, don't crash that car. You have a timeout. Surely they're not going to throw. But then after not calling the timeout, I was yelling at the TV being like, what are they doing? What are they doing? And then it was like, surely they're not going to drop back and throw a D pass. Well, then Caleb had to panic. Guys were coming back slow. Then Caleb screwed up. Then again, Matt Eberflus. I do think Caleb fucked up, and that's a learning experience. He's a rookie.

The head coach's job is to call a timeout and be like, hey, guys, let's stop. Let's fucking figure this out. It's literally his job. Right after that play was over, and he knew that he fucked up. And no muscle on his face moved. He just stared off into the distance like, well, that's probably it for me. He might as well have a blindfold and a cigarette in his mouth on that one. I think everybody, including Lions fans, were probably yelling at the TV, what are you doing, Matt Eberflug? Yeah, it was crazy. It was nuts.

Max, were you going to say something? I just laughed. Yeah. I mean, it was funny for everyone else. It was a classic of a classic.

Bears move in the history of the Bears. They've found every single way. They've found every single way. And they cut to Ibraflux's dumb face on the sideline. It was the dumbest face. That was the dumbest coach face that I've ever seen. That's where I was in my bedroom screaming at the TV. I made a video just screaming at him. Look at this fucking face, this fucking idiot!

There are some coaches, though, that have very satisfying dumb coach faces when they absolutely fuck things up.

up uh but i think that maddie berflus that what we saw on thanksgiving so stupid that was the stupidest face he's ever made and caleb played well again in the second half like he brought that he looked really bad in the first half the offense looked completely like lifeless and then again he drives them i know there's there's plays he meant like the dj moore if he hits dj moore coming across with like i don't know 45 seconds left he probably runs in for a touchdown

But again, I think Caleb Williams, given what he has been stacked against in terms of the coaching, has been great, especially the last few games. So I'm very bullish about that. And you had to get rid of Matt Eberflus because you had to just be like, we can't keep doing this. So you do want Ben Johnson now that you have your concerns about the offensive line. Ben Johnson or Mike Vrabel would be my 1A, 1B, the best.

Basically both 1A Either one I'd be very happy I feel like Mike Vrabel is the direction you guys are going to go Is he not going to go to OSU? No Remember he doesn't want to Well you don't listen to the show

Yeah, he said that to us. He did. We were on a golf trip. Good job by memes. He put out the clip right away on Saturday. We were on a golf trip. No, he doesn't want to recruit, which makes sense. The Bears want, they've been like openly saying we want a leader of men, which tells me that they're looking at like a Mike Vrabel and less inclined for Ben Johnson, which

And then Ben Johnson linked to – he linked to Shefty over the weekend that he would be interested in the Bears. Yeah. If they come correct with the money. Well, I think we've weirdly become as bad as the organization is and the owners are.

Caleb definitely makes it enticing because that's what any prospective coach says. Is there a quarterback there? Yeah. And he's a good quarterback who looks promising and looks like he could be a real guy. So I think we are weirdly appealing, which as long as they don't meet George McCaskey, I think it's an appealing job.

And Mike Vrabel, I haven't decided if I'm going to do this yet, but if he took the Bears head coaching job, I think I would. I've only done this for one other person. I think it was Jim Harbaugh when I was trying to get him to be the Bears head coach last year. I think I would make a I will never criticize Mike Vrabel pact. Yeah. I will never say a bad thing about Mike Vrabel if he takes the job. What about? I haven't decided yet. I might actually try to sell that to him. You'll be a big time Bears move if they went out. They got Pat Fitzgerald.

No. That would be a big time barrier. No, you know who's getting leaked is Marcus Freeman. Oh, yeah? Yeah, Marcus Freeman was Schrager. Texted me that this morning. Then he was like, I'm going to go just say it on NFL Network. I was like, thanks, dude. Appreciate it. What about a coach trade? I feel like the Jets, if anybody does a coach trade, it would probably be the Jets. No, I'll tell you.

No, the Jets have their own. They don't have a coach. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Neither do we. You can trade for a coach is what I'm saying. But they don't have one. Who do we train for? Yeah, we don't have one. You don't have one. We both don't have coaches. No, I'm saying you can acquire a coach via trade like the Bucks got. Oh, another coach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got it, got it, got it. Not trading your coach. No, I do not want to do that. Using free agency to acquire, but the trade deadline to acquire a currently employed coach. Yes, the Jets would trade a first-round pick for someone.

Oh, for McVay. Yeah. They would. It means you're thinking about it right now. And now you're thinking this might be a good idea. No. Well, I was thinking we don't have a GM, so I guess...

Somebody could just send a first-round pick. Like maybe the owner? Is that something that you think Woody Johnson might be interested in? If he just sent 10 first-round picks for John McVay? Yeah, 10 first-round picks. By the way, we should talk about the Lions real quick. They are very banged up on defense. Well, they acquired Jamal Adams. They did. Blitz boys. Blitz back. Man in the box, Allison Chains. It does feel like the Lions...

I mean, this game on Thursday night against the Packers is going to be massive, massive. Because I'm of the belief at this point that if the Eagles get home field advantage, they're going to go to the Super Bowl. And if the Lions get home field advantage, they're going to go to the Super Bowl. I mean, I think the Eagles are right there with the Lions. Right there with them. Right there. Neck and neck. We'll get to it. Yeah, we'll get to it. Their defense is they were missing a lot of guys, especially in the second half. They're very injured. Everyone's injured, though.

I still believe in the Lions. This time of year, everyone's banged up. Everyone's banged up. No excuses. I did love the one play that the Lions ran in the first half, the little trick play that they put the ball in Pene Sewell's hands. And he just started beasting people. I don't even know if there was a pass or a designed run. I think they just wanted to put the ball in his hands and

and let him just shove people around. That was at the point of the game where it was as embarrassing as possible, and Ben Johnson was like, fuck it. These guys suck. I'm just going to do some cool shit. I want to watch Panay Sewell shove people over. Yeah, he is scary. Going to tackle him is very, very scary. But yeah, it was a crazy, crazy Thanksgiving. Just chaotic. I basically spent the next hour mumbling to myself, like, why didn't you call timeout?

Why didn't you call a timeout? And I was not over it for a long time. And again, the worst part about this game is that I, after the Packers game, I made a pledge to myself to not let this team hurt me for the rest of the year because apathy had started to, you know, like take over. And it was like, look, we're not going to the playoffs. I just going to watch Caleb Williams on Sunday and be happy with that.

I was actually mad about this game, and I was mad, and then I got mad at myself for getting mad at the game. I mean, if you beat a really, really good team, a really, really good team, then that does huge, huge numbers for your ego. Right. If you have a shitty team, you can be like, if we play like that every week, then we would be that really good team. Yeah, and it's, I mean, Caleb Williams is now just...

Basically, every game he goes on game-winning drives that just aren't game-winning drives because something terrible happens. And it just happens over and over. You want to cut those off at some point. You don't want him to start accumulating those losses. We've seen quarterbacks and we've seen head coaches that just accumulate sad losses and they just weigh on them. They just stay with them. I'm in full Groundhogs mode with the team...

two years ago and last year where it's like, oh, I feel good like they're making progress, but winning games would be nice every now and then for morale. You're in that, Hank, now. Kind of. Yeah, where it's like you don't want to. Now, Hank doesn't give a fuck. No, he cared when the Patriots lost because you want your quarterback to play well, one, and then you're like, eventually we got to win a game just so everyone feels good.

More so for you because you've lost for so long. Us. A loss is a good draft pick. I should have set myself up for that. What did you think about the Jameer Gibbs leaking the protections? Yeah, that was crazy. Dan Campbell was very upset. So Jameer Gibbs did a TikTok in front of

all of the verbiage that the offense uses for the Lions. And then after the game, a reporter told Dan Campbell, and he was just like, what happened? And he's like, I didn't see that. And then he just walked right off. It's like, that actually sucks for the... Like, they do... I was reading... I can't remember who tweeted about it, but someone's like, this...

this doesn't mean that everyone has their plays, but it means they have to learn new language this late in the season. That sucks. Yeah. It's annoying. Yeah. All of his teammates are probably really pissed off at him for that. You know what I would do is I would just not change anything and be like, there's everyone thinks we're going to change. We've changed everything. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone, everyone assumes we're going to change. Yeah. Play it real quick. He was, you could just see in his face. He was just like, Oh God damn it. Whiteboard behind him. Um,

Is that something where you need to just remind a player to be smart about what they're posting on social media? Is there anything? Who was that? I believe Gibbs posted a photo of Jefferson with a bunch of lingo on the whiteboard in the running back room behind him. Oh, I didn't know that. I did not know that. Okay. Yeah, I need to check on that then. I did not know that. Yeah, I'd rather our stuff not be out there. Thanks.

He walked off. That was probably the beginning of the press conference. He's like, I got to go right now. All right. Enough about the Bears. Let's talk about the next game on Thanksgiving. Cowboys 27, Giants 20.

You said you wanted to recap what we ate instead of talking about this game, which I'm fine with. I do have a couple of Giants things I wanted to talk about. Yeah, yeah. I just figured an apt recap for this game would be to just talk instead about what we ate on Thanksgiving. Yeah, Overshawn's pick was awesome. Overshawn's pick. Overshawn is a really, really good player. And Rico Dowdle's awesome, too. Overshawn, every time I watch the Cowboys, no matter how bad things are going, he's always, you know, he flies around out there. Yeah. That's what he does. Yeah. And, yeah, Mike McCarthy, congratulations to him.

I think he might even get like an extension. I do too. I think he might just stick around for a while as a coach. Their defense looked great. I mean, it was drew lock, but they look great. Yeah. But yeah. What did you guys eat? What was your favorite thing? He ate deep fried Turkey. I did a steak this year. Steak is I like that. I like that. And Turkey is Turkey. Oh, you did both. Well, yeah. So we, I think you can't just go. I saw our guy. Chuck calls it steaks, steak giving. And I'm,

I think steak is fine. You have to do a turkey just out of like...

You just have to do a turkey. But I ate probably 80% steak, 20% turkey. If I switch to steak, I'm just going to do steak, I think. Right. Because turkey is the whole preparation for it. You have to brine it. You have to cook it. You roast it for a few hours. You deep fry it. It's a big thing with the setup. If you're going to switch to steak, I feel like you just make that call. And you're like, we're doing steak this year instead of turkey. Yeah, we did both, and it was fucking awesome. I might have changed the game for Thanksgiving this year. Oh, yeah? I invented something. Oh.

Thanksgiving soup. Oh. Thanksgiving soup. It was so, so good. I took the leftover turkey. I made a turkey stock. I boiled the fried turkey carcass, made a stock out of it. Then I added mashed potatoes. I added mac and cheese. I roasted the stuffing in the oven to use as the croutons on top of the soup. I cut up carrots. I put some green bean casserole in there because it's got cream mushroom soup as the base.

God damn. I got so many left. I got some leftovers. I can bring it tomorrow. I actually, I was thinking about just bringing in the whole operation and deep frying a turkey for the barstool office. Yeah. Deep fried turkey is the way to go. That sounded delicious. What would you guys eat?

A lot of turkey, a lot of stuffing. Yeah. A lot of crab cakes. How many plates? You got crab cakes? I like crab cake, like a little appetizer. Oh. I fucking hammered. I had like 20 of them. Hammered cheese and crackers. I just went turkey sandwich right out of the gate. What? Yep, right out of the gate. Sandwich? Before? For your dinner? Meal. You had leftovers before? You're crazy for that. You had pre-leftovers.

You're crazy for that meal. That is a change of the game. Wow. I also, and this was directly related to the Bears and the timeout. I think I conservatively had about 15 cookies after like 4 p.m. Yeah.

I just went to... I went to Cookie Town. For me, cookies are breakfast on Thanksgiving. Yeah, I was literally just walking. I would just walk past the kitchen and just eat two cookies. And I did that for seven hours straight. You guys pumpkin pie people? I'm not. No. I fucked myself up with some pumpkin pie. I don't like pumpkin pie. I'm not a big pumpkin guy. Pumpkin pie? Fred Smoot taught me that. Pumpkin... Pumpkin's not food. It's fucking hippopotamuses, he said, like them. Yeah, my...

I had this girl that came up to me one time. You know what she asked me? You ever had pumpkin pie? No, she asked me actually a different question than that. Oh, what'd she ask? Does my pussy taste like pumpkin pie? Yeah. Fuck out of here. I never had no pumpkin pie. Yeah. Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac. Good job. Yeah. It's the best. Memes, what'd you have? I had some turkey. I had some stuffing. I didn't stop eating for like 48 hours. Have you heard Brandon do it? Yeah, I have. Okay, yeah. I was going to say. Yeah. He's done it so many times.

Diet's back tomorrow. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Monday? Why? You can't diet between Thanksgiving and Christmas, my friend. Yes, you can. No, you can't. That's crazy. It's a big month. I think this Monday is a diet.

It's diet Monday. You can't. This is a give up. This is a just drink, eat whatever you want. Yep. Kind of poop yourself every now and then. I'm making a chicken chili tomorrow. Oh, okay. For diet? Yeah. Chicken chili is healthy. Yeah. You get a white chili. How much butter are you putting in it? No butter. Oh, okay. No, this Monday is the diet day. And then you go back to it on Tuesday. Yeah. You get a one day diet. Yeah. All right. I want to talk about the giant weight memes. What'd you have?

Anything good? Turkey stuffing. That's it? That's it. Do you guys do sausage in your stuffing? Because I do. It's awesome. My mom makes the best stuffing. Really? How many people in America do you think say that? How many people are in America? Hundreds of millions. Did you...

Did you guys see the viral tweet that was so funny? It's like my grandma's in Shaq Celtics era of cooking. It had like 50,000 retweets. It was sad.

When it goes, it goes. All right. Yeah. No, I want to talk about the Giants real quick because we always... Memes that I'd say, oh, the Bears and the Jets are similar. The Bears and the Giants are the similarity because outside of the obviously two Super Bowls, which changed everything, the Giants are in the same situation where they have an idiot fail son running an organization into the ground. Last 10 years, they've been to the playoffs twice. They've won one playoff game. They've had, I think...

three winning seasons out of the last 14. They're 78 and 128. And I think reading, like, seeing what Giants fans are saying, it's like the same frustration where it's, you switch out coaches, you switch out... John Mara's the one who's calling the shots and he's going to keep fucking things up. And every quarterback that they've had recently seems to play exactly the same, too. Yeah. They look identical when they're out there on the field. Yeah, so I feel like I have one guy to fix the Giants...

It's Bill Belichick. I like that. I mean, he loves history. He loves NFL history where he started everything. And not where he actually started. I think he started with the Lions. But where defensive coordinator for Lawrence Taylor and everything, a founding organization, he goes in and he just runs the whole show. I feel like that could happen. I think their legacy...

This most recent Mara legacy might be... And he would probably like to get the record with a giant. Yeah. I was just going to say, I think that his legacy might be ending any semblance of anything interesting ever happening on Hard Knocks again. Yeah. That might be it because of the Saquon thing. Yeah.

No team is going to want to put out film of their GM fucking something up so, so terribly that it'll just be a stain on the franchise forever. You're not going to get anything good from Hard Knocks. No. And it's really a shocking clip. I rewatch it every now and then. Yeah. I'm just like, holy shit. They really said it. They have had the most hilarious 18-year run as a franchise. Yeah. Because, I mean, yeah, obviously you trade it all for the two Super Bowls. Especially over the Patriots and Tom Brady. Yeah.

That's where they deviate from the Jets and the Bears. But in terms of the last decade, they have been horrendously, horrendously bad. And they don't put together winning seasons. They have no continuity. They fire coaches. They fire GMs. And it's because they've got an idiot son running the whole organization. That's what happens. Find someone else.

This is where the Jets, like, as bad as Woody Johnson is, he actually goes for it. He's an idiot of a different kind. But he didn't inherit the team. I think he's got some idiot family members, too. Yeah, he does. But he didn't inherit the team and be like, I'm just going to be an idiot. He's the idiot. He is the idiot. Woody Johnson's the idiot. He is the idiot. But he tries really hard, whereas, like, the Maris and the McCaskies,

In the last decade, again, I have to qualify because they obviously, Giants, they just are like, we own an NFL team. This is sick. We're just going to print money and do things the right way and hope it works. I think the Giants and the Bears are similar in that they both care very, very deeply about running a classy organization. And that's what winning is to them. We run a classy organization. Virginia McCaskey didn't let swear words on the hard knocks. We have a lot of dark stained wood in our offices. Right.

Yeah, everything in our house smells like a football. Yeah. That's what they want. Ties. We're all wearing ties all the time. Yeah. Books of football lore in our, you know...

10,000 square foot studies. And we can't run a team, but we love football. Yeah. And the history of the game and the meetings and all that stuff. They love that shit. Not the actual game. Okay. Yeah. The Cowboys. I do think Mike McCarthy is saved. I don't think the Giants are going to win another game, by the way. It might not. Especially Dexter Lawrence, I think, out for the season. Yeah, I believe so. They might not. And I don't know if they're going to go back to Tommy DeVito.

It doesn't really matter. No. I like Tracy, the running back. He's not bad. Yeah. And they are now 11 games without an interception. So that's quite something. Yep. All right. Packers 30, Dolphins 17. I mean, this was the most obvious game ever. Mike McDaniel was shivering on the sidelines. He was all bundled up, too. He was shivering on the sidelines. It was a bad scene. And then Tua did not rewrite the narratives.

He still hasn't won a game under 40 degrees, I believe. Yeah. I mean, they made a valiant comeback late. It was like, hey, maybe if they score, they got stopped at the goal line. But the stat that there's two stats that are like when everyone's like, hey, you can't just say candy ass uniforms. Dolphins can't win in the cold. I have two stats for you that show you you absolutely can. The first one is the Dolphins had 20 missed tackles to give up 132 extra yards. That's a cold weather stat.

I don't want to get my nose into the pile. I don't want to tackle anyone. And the second stat is Mike McDaniel was literally shivering on the sidewalk. He was so cold. He was so cold. He looked like the kid from the Christmas story. All bundled up. He couldn't move his extremity. If he had to challenge a call, I don't think he'd be able to find the flag.

Yeah, they didn't even wear their most candy-ass uniforms either. No. They wore the old-school dolphin with a helmet, which is – that's breaking all the glass in case of emergency for the dolphins to look as tough as possible. They should make one of those where the dolphin's wearing a helmet with the guardian cap on. Yeah. That would rock, too. Yeah. But, yeah, it doesn't look like – I mean, they had to win this one if they wanted some help. They did not. Yeah. Yeah.

Now they can play spoiler. They can play spoiler. I think they still technically... They need the Broncos to start losing. The Colts and the...

need the Broncos to start losing to have a chance. But yeah, that was it to get back to 500. And the Packers, I'm officially very, very nervous. This Thursday night football game against the Lions, the Packers win this game. I'm already on the Packers look incredible because Jordan Love hasn't thrown an interception the last two weeks. Josh Jacobs. They're running game. I tried to tell myself that that was a waste of money and it is not because he is really fucking good.

They have become what the 49ers were in the past. Watching them run the football, it's interesting. It's entertaining. I like doing it. I'm worried. I'm officially worried about the Packers. By the way, here's a fun stat. The Lions, the Packers, and the Vikings are 27-3 against all teams, not themselves. So they all have lost a single game against a non-NFC North team. It's pretty crazy. 27-3. They're all really, really fucking good.

Yeah, I'm looking at the AFC picture right now. You could have beat all three. It's going to be tough. You guys could have beat all three. Yeah, we could have. We actually very much could have. We're right there. Oh, we're right there. That's what they're fucking telling us. It's going to be tough. They need the Colts and the Broncos to start losing. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. And they need them to lose fast. But yeah, the Packers are really good. That Thursday night football game, this Packers-Lions game is going to be... That's because if the Packers win this game...

The, they could win the North. Yeah. Oh, easily. Like that's, that's, it's not ruling it out. And cause I think they still have a game against the Vikings left that if they, if they beat the Vikings, that would obviously put the Vikings with another loss. Uh,

I mean, it's going to be crazy watching this. Like if the Packers win this game, they're looking at, hey, we could win the North. And if they lose this game, they're basically like, all right, we're a road team on wild card weekend. Yeah, the Packers are 9-3 and the Vikings are right there 10-2 and 11-1. This is going to tell everything. This is going to tell everything. Max, you're the biggest Packers fan on earth on Thursday night. Yeah, I was a huge Bears fan this week, last weekend too. I know. Sorry we let you down. Yeah. Who do the Lions have left?

Do they have any hard games left besides obviously playing the Vikings in the, I guess, I mean, playing the Bears outside? Who knows? Thomas Brown might get the boys going. So if that were to happen, if the Lions were to lose to the Packers and fall to the first wild card, what would that mean for their first-round matchup? They would probably, they might go to Atlanta.

The Packers? No, the Lions. If the Lions fell back. Oh, yeah, yeah. If the Packers ended up winning the North or the Vikings won the North? Yeah. They could travel to Atlanta and just beat the fuck out of the Falcons. It's just crazy because the Lions have been so good and they are so good. But because the Vikings and the Packers are also so good, a division that they could have ran away with is still very much up for grabs.

really depending on Thursday night football. If the Lions win the game on Thursday night football, it's almost a wrap because they have already beaten the Vikings and they play the Vikings at home. So that kind of seals it. But if they lose that game, it's way up for grabs. Yep. It's crazy. All right. Yeah, the Packers are really good. I'm scared. I'm very, very scared. All right. Last game that we're going to talk about from Thursday and Friday, Chiefs and Raiders. Chiefs 19, Raiders 17. PSU.

You should have put it as your pick. I should have put it as my pick, but I didn't. I didn't give it out as my pick. I gave money line. It's true. It's a missed bet. I have to put my hand up and say bad bet. The Chiefs are. That was the most Chiefs game ever. They at the start of the game look like they were going to kill the Raiders, the

The Raiders come back. Aiden O'Connell, shout out. Not bad. Ballsy. Max Crosby was doing his Max Crosby thing where he just... He has to piss off Patrick Mahomes more than any player on earth. Oh, yeah. Because he was doing little extra jabs here and there. Patrick Mahomes was complaining to the refs. And then we had the last play, which for all the conspiracy theorists out there, it was just red meat. Well, I want to go back to the drive before that last drive. Yeah, yeah. So Antonio Pierce...

He had the ball in plus territory.

The Raiders down by one point. Three minutes left on the clock. Let me ask you a question, Paquette. If you give the ball, would you want to give the ball back to Patrick Mahomes when Patrick Mahomes had a lead? I would not. With three minutes left? I would not. All right, so Antonio Pierce did, and he sent his punt team out there. And then somebody on the sidelines was like, hey, Antonio Pierce, just a reminder, that's Patrick Mahomes on the opposite sideline. Might not want to do that. So he did my favorite move in all sports, which is he called the think it over timeout to think it over.

And his decision coming out of that timeout was to send his kicker out there who had missed two field goals of 55 and over yards, I believe. Yep. To try a 58-yard field goal. Yep.

Shocker actually landed short of the upright. So then you give the ball back to Patrick Mahomes with three minutes left. And actually, you get the ball back after that. But it was just an insane decision. I don't know what his decision tree was on that. I don't know what he was thinking. He doesn't really think. It ended up working out for him, so I guess I'm the idiot. But they got the ball back, drive down the field, and then we get to the point where it's...

Here come the refs. Yeah, because the final play where the Chiefs get a fumble, there is a ref that runs on the field that calls it a false start. Do you call it a false start? So there's some discussion going on. Yeah. The Raiders are claiming that some people on the field heard a whistle. Yeah. I don't know if I heard a whistle or not.

but it was an illegal shift that they ended up calling after they got together to talk about it. But the ref coming in from the sideline, it looked like he was calling a false start, I believe, and then he changed it to a legal shift, which then made it so that the play stood and the fumble counted. Yes, so I guess it could have been thrown as a false start, and then after the fact, he was like, let's just make this illegal shift because I'm not sure...

if they were going sideways or forward. The bottom line is, yeah, the Chiefs, I get why they use the meme now. Yeah. This game flipped it for me. I get it.

I get it. You guys lost this game. You win. I can't... I'm done fighting against it. The Chiefs, your fans, your team, your whole city, whatever you're doing, I want a part of that. You guys are doing the right thing because they are 11-1. They have the worst point differential of any 11-1 team in history. Ten consecutive playoff bursts. You know what second worst is? Who? It's the 1976 Raiders. They won the Super Bowl. Yeah. I...

Don't think the Chiefs are going to win the Super Bowl this year. And I say that with caution because it is still Patrick Mahomes, but...

Their offensive line, and I know they got TJ Humphreys, who's still working back from ACL. Their offensive line is bad. They moved. They shifted it in the middle of the game. Their left tackle stinks. They're like, we can't figure this out. I think they put Tooney at left tackle. Their offensive line is bad. Their secondary has not been good. It feels like they're just holding on and...

And if they go up against a team with a really good pass rush, it's going to be very hard for the Chiefs. Now, it's still Patrick Mahomes, so I say this with a lot of caution because he'll probably just end up winning the game and we'll be like, how the fuck did they do this? But it does feel a little bit different in that it feels more 2019 Chiefs who went to the Super Bowl the COVID year. Or no, was it 2020? It was just before COVID. It was 2020 in Miami. Yeah.

They won that Super Bowl. Then they won and then COVID hit. Yeah, so it was the 2020 season where they played the Bucs and Patrick Mahomes had no time in the Super Bowl and the Bucs were all over them. So they still might go to the Super Bowl. So we don't want to say that Patrick Mahomes won't win a Super Bowl.

We don't want to. We're fighting against it with every fiber of our being. The Chiefs are making us believe that. You guys are doing it to yourselves. I think Chiefs fans, though, know that this feels a little different than last year where it was like, okay, they're kind of fucking around, but they still have the fundamentals here of a team that can win a Super Bowl. And they obviously still can't. But this one feels like...

I mean, Patrick Mahomes went 113 games without a five sack game. He's now been sacked five times by the Panthers last week and then the Raiders five times this week. So two in a row. And they could get, you know, like I said, they made a signing. They could get healthier. But as it stands right now, I don't feel super optimistic. And they also are going to be in a fight for the one seat. Yeah. Did you hear Al Michaels kind of shitting on streaming?

What do you say? During the game. Well, they missed a punt. We missed a whole punt. Yeah, we missed a punt. We missed a play that'll be lost to history. Nobody saw it happen. Who knows what happened and what the crisis actors at the game were told to say afterwards. But Al Michaels was like, yeah, they wouldn't do that on linear, but they'll do that to us on streaming. And then he just kind of proceeded to take a shit on Amazon. I love Al Michaels and his I don't give a fuck. Yes. It's pretty good. Yes. He does not care.

He'll just say whatever. I also black Friday game. I don't even know. Does Al Michaels like what does he eat on Thanksgiving? Does he steak? Just steak? Yes. Steak for sure. I wanted to say I saw this funny tweet. I wanted to shout out from stats guy Daniel. He said Steelers Chiefs on Christmas Day is just going to be 57 minutes of both teams doing everything possible to keep it a one score game before Mike Tomlin and Patrick Holmes reveal who negotiated the better deal with the devil to win in the most unthinkable way possible. Nailed it. Nailed it. That's what they do.

The Raiders, by the way, did we get a Shador Sanders tweet? Oh, we did not. Oh, he was playing in a game. Yeah, we did not. He was playing in a game when it happened. We did not on Friday, so I don't... Let's see. Did he do it on Thanksgiving after the Giants lost? I don't know. I did not check up on that. I know that I did check on it for Friday. How did his game go on Friday? He played pretty well. He had three touchdown passes to this really outstanding receiver. What's his name?

Number 12, whatever that is. Can someone look up number 12 for us? Shador Sanders has tweeted, thank you, God, an hour ago. Oh, so it's the Sunday thing. He did it an hour ago. It's the Sunday thing. Travis Hunter is the name. Travis Hunter. I thought he played cornerback. He does. Yeah. Look at it again. And he scored three touchdown passes? He didn't. He had an interception, too. What? We got to look up this guy. We should probably do some research for him. Oh, is that the guy that did the Heisman pose twice? Oh. What is the Heisman pose?

I think late in the season, if you're good enough to win the Heisman, you do it. I don't know. You know what? To the AWLs, we're going to look up this Travis Hunter guy. We'll give you a report on Wednesday. Yeah, I just thought it was an interesting pose. I was like, if that's a trophy, that must be a pretty prestigious trophy because that's a cool pose. Yeah, the Chiefs just, that was the most Chiefs way.

For them to win the game. Just so classically Chiefs. Hank, did you have Raiders money line? Yeah, I saw it. Yeah. Look at Hank's face. You knew he had Raiders money line. Oh, I did too. Oh, I'm sorry, Hank. That was tough. But it was so Chiefs. It's the Patriots deal with the devil. Where you guys win games like this. There's been like 20 of them this year. This year feels crazy. Also, we're like, I feel like going against the rest. The Chiefs have the refs in their pocket. I can't. I don't know. Specifically, you had the tuck rule.

I did see one person was like the Patriots never had this deal with the devil and then someone just quoted it with the Miles Jack play. Yeah. That one. Or D Ford offsides. Yeah.

He was off. But okay. So I do say the deal with the devil and like, you know, it's crazy to keep getting away with it. But the actual reality of it is the Chiefs make winning plays at winning time. And like, they're a team that will never get blown out. And they will always be in that spot where if you make a mistake,

they'll capitalize on it. So it's like, it's a combo of yes, it looks like luck, but I also think it's just, they're really fucking good. And if you fuck up at all, they'll just jump on you and win the game. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? They, they are almost daring us to doubt them. Yeah. You're doing, you're doing all that you can. I don't want to do it. The only way that they, yeah, they can get like amped up is to have all the doubters. I don't want to do it, but you're, you're making me, I'm starting to think about doing it. I'm starting to, I don't want to, uh,

By the way, Max Crosby, 387 consecutive snaps, which I think that's the most since 2016. He just does it every year. He just rips off another consecutive snaps record. Yeah. It's nuts. It's nuts. All right. Should we take a break and we'll go to... Oh, yeah. Raiders fans, Brock Bowers is awesome. True. He's so fucking good. That's cool.

That you have him. And AOC didn't look bad either. No, he didn't look bad. I don't know if they'll win another game. He looks like you. He does look a little bit like me. I was going to say he looks a little bit like Derek Carr with the mascara.

You both got that vibe. That mustache, a little bit of maybe could lose a couple. Just if we're being factual, could lose a couple. All right, let's get to our Sunday games. Before we do that, PFT, you got a couple of ads. Yes, before we get to the Sunday games, they're brought to you by our good friends over at GameTime.com.

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Okay, let's get to some Sunday games. We have Steelers 44, Bengals 38. I think the Bengals officially are done. They got to take the ping pong table out now. They got to take the ping pong table out. Mike Tomlin is now secured above 500 for his 18th consecutive season. So he's not had a losing record. There was maybe a 500 record in there. 18 straight seasons.

He has not been under 500 as an NFL coach. That is insane. And I'll say this. The Steelers, I was impressed with them because I was searching around for the F word for the Steelers. I did not think they could win in a shootout. That's exactly what they did. Russell Wilson was awesome, throwing for over 400 yards. Their defense made a couple huge plays, big turnovers.

Yeah, the Steelers. That was big. That was a big win. Yeah, huge. Russell Wilson looked awesome. Najee Harris looks light. He's week to week with how he looks around the football. Yeah, that was a big part of the game is they got him going, both in the screen game and running. Yeah, so do you remember early in the game when he pulled up a little bit and everybody thought his hamstring was fucked up? Yep. All right, so they asked him about that, and he said Thanksgiving. He said Pat Friermuth's girlfriend Jill made some fire-ass banana something. And...

I guess he overindulged a little bit. Did Najee Harris shit himself in the first quarter? I think that's what that means, right? I think you're right. I think Najee Harris pooped himself when he ran. That's why he pulled up like his hamstring was hurt. When he grabbed at the back of his leg, he's grabbing his butthole because he's pooping on himself. But he looked awesome today. He looked really good. Now, it was against the Bengals' defense, and the Bengals' defense might have gotten worse out of the bye if that was possible. So the Bengals are 2-4 when they score over 30 points today.

The rest of the league is 75 and three. Yeah. No. Yeah. And it comes to 33 points. The Bengals have four losses. Every other team in the league has one loss. Yeah. This might be the end of the Bengals dynasty. The Bengals defense has given up 34 or more points six times this year.

That's insane. Yeah. Six times. We should say they have a 3% chance at making the playoffs. 3%. And they've converted from being a we have to run the table in terms of wins. Now they're saying every drive is a must-score drive. Jamar Chase was like, we...

I think we need to score on every single drive from now on because our defense can't stop anybody. If they score a touchdown on every drive, I think they would make the playoffs at this point. I don't think they would. You don't think so? No, because all the other teams have to lose. No, they need to score on every drive, but also the other teams have to not score on every drive. Yeah, a double. They don't control their own destiny.

Like, they can't say, hey, if we score on every drive, we're good. Yeah. They got to be like, hey, we got to score on every drive. And also the Colts have to never score again. The Dolphins have to never score again. The Broncos have to never score again. It's pretty bad. It's everyone. They got no chance. It's over. And this has to be one of the most frustrating seasons for a fan base because if I told you

in August that we would be sitting here on the week of Thanksgiving and Joe Burrow would have 30 touchdowns, 5 interceptions, and 3,300 yards in 12 games with a 68% completion percentage.

You'd be like the Bengals are vying for the ones. And how many interceptions is that? Five. Five. And at least two or three of those are on badly deflected passes off the hands of his own receivers. Now he does have fumbles too. He had two fumbles in this game that was bad. But still, Joe Burrow has played statistically his best season and...

And you've completely wasted it because your defense fell off a cliff and your owner is a cheap ass. Are we in a zone where it might be so bad, their defense might be so bad, that maybe Joe Burrow MVP is back on a little bit? I mean, I put a little on him offensively.

player of the year because I made the bet thinking Saquon might win MVP and then they'll give offensive player of the year to the best quarterback. Yeah. And he's been the best quarterback. His team stinks. And if a running back wins MVP, then they wouldn't necessarily have to give offensive player of the year to just the best quarterback on the best team. I think I got it like 90 to one or something.

No, that can't be right. Yeah, but either way, Joe Burrow's been awesome, and you've completely wasted a year of Joe Burrow's prime. That would kill me as a fan. And T. Higgins last year. Yeah. Yoshi looks pretty good, though. Yeah. But still. It's 90 to 1. A couple years ago, you thought that this team was set up, your windows open, that window...

Sorry. Yeah. Sorry about your window. Yeah, that was bad. That was bad. So, yeah, the Bengals are dead. I'm done. I'm done thinking about them. I'm done. I mean, they're still fun. Watch because they play in shootouts. But like this game was not an AFC North game at all with the way the first half went. And again, I think the Steelers like winning in this style. I did not think they had it in them. Maybe George Pickens was right. It was the snow.

That made them bad against the Browns and George Pickens, by the way, back. He did it all. He did it all. He got, he got flagged for unsportsmanlike for simulating a gun, but he claims, and we can watch the tape. He claims he was signaling first down after he got a first down. Got it. Now he did pull a trigger at the end of the first down, which you have to do, which you have to do. I mean, who's to say that that was a gun. You just pull the trigger on the first down. He scored a touchdown, had a bunch of really good plays, uh,

shot a fake gun, threw a ball in an opponent's face, and then punted a ball after scoring his touchdown. It was great. He did it all. He did it all. It was great. I love that guy. And Tomlin said after, he's like, George has to grow up.

No, I don't think so. No, no, just let George be George. They did have a moment where Tomlin got into his face on the sidelines a little bit. I don't know what Tomlin could be saying to George Pickens that he hasn't already said probably like 40 to 50 times already. But yeah, Tomlin likes having a little bit of chaos on his team. You can tell he gets off on it. Tomlin has quickly become one of my favorite coaches because he just feels like even the videos after in the locker room where he's dancing with Najee Harris,

he's the best guy ever. And you get why he can handle like having an Antonio Brown or a, you know, George Pickens or Ben Roethlisberger on your, on his team. Cause he's just stable. And he's like, he's just down with the, down with the dudes. And he's like, like, I'll be here for you no matter what, like George Pickens on any other team. I feel like,

is not as good and maybe like fails and, and has shit happened. That's bad. But on the Steelers, he's still crazy, but Tomlin knows how to harness the crazy. So what's the difference between the bears and,

The Giants and the Steelers. Because the Steelers have that like old school family. Yeah, yeah. We're a classy organization thing, but they're just really smart. They're really good. Yeah. And they get coaches and they don't and they keep them. And also they've had quarterbacks. Well, they get good coaches. Ben Roethlisberger. Because that was a big thing. Yeah. You could also say like, okay, it's.

Probably wouldn't be the best thing for the Bears to keep a lot of the coaches at the fans. Correct. But Ben Roethlisberger would probably be the big one. And then obviously their defense. I feel like maybe it's also the jerseys. The towels. When they put on the jerseys, their defense is just good. The towels too. Like if you did a video game, you put on the Steelers jerseys,

you know, Jersey and it's just plus five points to defense. What do you think the score of the game would have been on, on the Thanksgiving night game? If the Packers and the dolphins had just changed jerseys, it would have been a one score. It would have been a, I think the Packers still win Packers win by three. Now I think the Packers might lose. Actually, they might lose. Imagine Jordan love in a dolphin. And you maybe gave a coat to Mike McDaniel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Russ though.

I was very wrong about Russ. 414 yards, three touchdowns. His third 400-yard game in his career, I would never have guessed that he had a 400-yard game still left in him. Yeah. But he does. They're winning shootouts. Winning shootouts. That's what I said. The Steelers winning this game, the style they won this game, I'm like, all right, I was wrong. The Steelers are not frauds. They still have a tough schedule down the stretch, but yeah, with their defense, it gets a little healthy.

they just got dudes everywhere. And, and even though their defense got lit up a little bit, I mean, the Bengals would do that to anyone. They still made the big plays when they had to. We're going to get some good quotes from Jamar chase as the season concludes. Yeah. I feel like he's, he does not give a fuck. He's just going to say whatever's on his mind. I feel bad for Joe burrow. It's not, I mean, it's just, you just wasted. You can't waste these seasons when you have a quarterback like Joe burrow. Yep. You can't. Uh, okay. Next game, chargers, 17 Falcons, 13. Uh,

This is one of those games where the Chargers were lucky to win because their offense couldn't do anything. And the Falcons, you've got a problem. And he's a friend of the show. But Kirk Cousins has been bad the last three weeks. And he threw four interceptions today. Some really, really bad picks, too. The one in the end zone, the pick six was bad, too. I mean, it was about as bad as a four-pick day can be.

My theory is that it's like James Harden when he would play in cities that had really good strip clubs. He would always play poorly. Kirk Cousins does the same when very popular iconic musicals come out in theaters. And so he's been up all night singing along and not focused on his playbook. Yeah. I don't know if there's anything to that, but he looked bad today. He looked bad. The pick six was really bad. And then the end zone interception was really, really bad. And it was...

The really... The hard part for the Falcons is the Falcons defense has not shown up in a lot of games. They did today. So the Falcons defense has had five sacks total in the last six games. They had five today. They were... They didn't let the Chargers do anything. The Chargers had 187 total yards. The Falcons had 24 first downs to the Chargers 10. And...

And they should have... The Falcons kept on going into the red zone, not getting anything out of it, missing field goals, interceptions. That's a game that you're going to look and be like, how did we lose that game? Because they should have won that game. The Chargers offense couldn't do anything. And you sack Justin Herbert five times...

And, man, Kirk Cousins, that was a tough one. It was a very tough one. So they've got the Vikings, but then they've got some winnable games after that, too, for the Falcons. Yeah. So, Hank, thank you for sending the reminder to remind us to bet against the Falcons in the playoffs. I feel very confident about that crystal ball pick. Yeah. I think it's going to work out. They just don't look like a good team. No. No, they've lost three in a row now.

Basically, they just need to play the Bucs for their offense to look good. Yep. Hank, sorry about your Chargers to not make the playoffs. Did not make that bet. Because it looks like they're going to make the playoffs. They're 8-4. So are the Commanders. Yeah, we'll get to that. Agreed. We'll get to that. Yeah, I feel like if you're the Chargers and you're a Chargers fan, you go off a short week against an emotional game on Monday night against the Ravens.

However you win, don't apologize for the win. But their offensive line looks like it needs some help. And J.K. Dobbins being out hurts them a lot because they do want to run the ball and they haven't been able to. Yeah, their offense was not good at all today. I think most Chargers fans would say that. It was like a painful, thank God we won this game. Right, exactly. Just walk away and be like, thank God we won. And the Falcons, you wasted a really good defensive effort. Yeah, Kirk. Do they make the switch?

People are asking. People are asking, is it time for Pennix? And then what do you do with Kirk Cousins? He's got zero touchdowns and six interceptions in the last six games. Sorry, three games. Salary fully guaranteed for at least next year, right? I mean, there's one team I could think of that would be a perfect fit for Kirk Cousins. Who's that? The man is shaking his head right now. I mean, think about it. Picture it. Yeah, I could. I could see it. Kirk Cousins. I could see it. Kirk Cousins to the Jets.

Yeah, I can see it. No. Why not? We already got one guy with a torn Achilles. Yeah, true. System.

Yeah, I would take a shot on Kirk. Shout out to Tarheib still, by the way, because he had two picks. He had the pick six, he had another pick, and then he also broke up that pass on the last drive to Drake London that kind of sealed the game. So he was awesome. But yeah, Chargers, good job. High fives everywhere around. You won a tough game, and now you're looking like...

You're going to be in the playoffs. Yeah. Okay. Vikings 23, Cardinals 22. This is another one where don't apologize for wins because the Vikings looked bad for three quarters. They had 100 yards of offense late in the third quarter, and then Sam Darnold happened, and he was awesome down the stretch. Led them on two touchdown drives. They were down 19-6.

With 443 left in the third quarter, he was 12 for 17, 156 yards and two touchdowns for the rest of the game. He won them that game. This is what I love about Kevin O'Connell is he gets quarterbacks that have in their past looked like they're timid.

They're slow to process. They don't trust themselves. They're not confident. And when they play for him, they just look like everything's fast. Yeah. Like they know exactly what to do. And it could be a backup quarterback like Dobbs. It could be Darnold. It could be anybody. It could be Kirk Cousins. But they look like just a way more confident version of themselves all the time. And he must be an awesome guy, which is why probably Daniel Jones wants to go out there and just be like, hey, just tell me I'm pretty. Make me feel good about myself for a little bit because I'm gun shy about everything else.

I do think that there was an insane coaching decision in this. Yeah. Yeah. Where Gannon kicked that field goal, I think, from the four-yard line. Yeah. He was up three, right? He was up three from the four-yard line. Kicked a field goal to make it six points. I feel like every time that happens, the other team wins. Six points is the worst lead in football. I agree. Because you basically, like, if you're up three, you're...

You're going to call offense a little differently, and you're going to play for the field goal, be a little more conservative. If you're up six, you're basically saying to the other team, you have to go score a touchdown, and that's exactly what the Vikings did. If you're up six, you might as well be tied, and it's overtime. Right, and if you go for the touchdown there and get it, you are winning the game. You're up two scores. You've won the game. By the way, if you're up one and you kick the field goal, I like it. I like that a lot. If you're up two, I like that a lot.

If you're up three, I don't like it. No, because it's like you... I mean, you're just... You didn't change anything, really. Yeah. The other team's just going to go even harder. The urgency's going to be there. Kevin O'Connell... They have every fourth down now. StatHoleSports pointed this out. Kevin O'Connell is now 24-10 in one-score games. 24-10. Pretty good coach. That is a really good coach. Yeah, no, Kevin O'Connell's a very good coach. Oh.

And yeah, the Vikings, like that was Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold won that game. He was 0-23 in games when he was trailing by 13 plus points until today. I also like their strategy of when teams take away Justin Jefferson, just hitting up Jordan Addison all the time. Yeah. And then teams are like, fuck, we can't let Jordan Addison beat us. And then they have Justin Jefferson. Yeah, Justin Jefferson makes a big catch in fourth quarter. He was, by the way, Justin Jefferson was the fourth player all time to have 1,000 yards in his first five seasons.

Pretty impressive. He's really fucking good. And yeah, this was a game where it felt like the Vikings were going to lose the whole game because they couldn't do anything offensively. Their defense played well. Ben don't break. The Cardinals essentially all they had to do was convert one of those red zone trips into a touchdown instead of kicking all these field goals and they win this game. And now they're looking at it and be like, we've lost two straight and the Seahawks winning Seahawks now have a game lead in the NFC West. Um,

That was a missed opportunity, just like the Falcons. It was a missed opportunity for the Cardinals. That crazy field goal, too. Like, best-case scenario, you go up six points, and you also give them, like, 20 yards of extra field position. Correct. Correct. I agree. I wrote it down as well. I was like, a six-point lead is the worst lead to have in football. Yeah. What six-point lead would be the worst? I feel like 14 to 20 is pretty bad. Hmm.

Yeah, because then you see the 21-20. Then it's 21-20. You know it's going to be 21-20. 16-10. That's pretty bad as well. Actually, you're right. 16-10. That is the worst one. Because you just can see it. You're like, oh, they're just going to score a touchdown. They're going to have 17. 13-7 too. I feel like it's more common. Yeah, 13-7 as well. Yeah, those are bad leads. What was it? 19-13? That one was...

I'd rather be losing at 6-13. No, no, no. Sorry. 9-13, you got some cushion. That's a big one. This one was 22-6, 16. They were up 19-6, and then it became 22-16. 22-16 is not bad. It's sizable. Yeah, that one I actually – yeah, now that we're talking it out, I actually kind of agree with the field goal. Yeah.

To go from 19 to 16 to 22-16, you feel like you won the game. Yeah, 25 to 31, that's a pretty big lead, too. Yeah, no. 24 to 30, kind of like, yeah, 24 to 30, you're going to lose that game. I think Jonathan Gannon might be vindicated. I can understand why he got tripped up. You look at the score in 19-16, you're kicking a field goal every time to go up 22-16. Yep. You're like, that doesn't make sense. A touchdown doesn't get to 23. Oh, shit, yeah, it does. It does.

In fact, it does. But you could easily make that mistake. What about 18 to 12? No, that's just... That's not a football score. You're just in a funky... That's just so many field goals. It's just a year. You're just like, they're going to kick another field goal because that's all we've been doing. I think the Steelers beat the Falcons 18 to 12 this week one. Things have changed. That's weird if I... Oh, that was all the field goals? Yeah, that's like you've been watching too much football...

Maybe go outside for a little bit, if I'm thinking about that. That feels like a Falcons-Steelers score, doesn't it? Yeah, it does. Yeah, the Cardinals, they're going to kick themselves not having this game. And the Vikings, I mean, Sam Darnold. I was impressed. Sam Darnold. Sam Darnold won them this game. The defense, again, Ben, don't break, but they were stuck in the mud in Sam Darnold. And Aaron Jones fumbles. They put him in the doghouse, and he makes the big touchdown catch. Vikings are good. The NFC North is fucking...

It's a dog fight. Yeah. It's a dog fight. Okay, next game. Talk about an ass kicking. PFT, you're back. 42, Commanders 42, Titans 19. That was an ass kick. It was a get right. It was a get right. We got right. I actually think that was... If you had to script a realistic...

Worst way to start a game, the Titans did it. Yeah, 21-0 in the first quarter. And it was almost 28-0 in the first quarter, too. Yeah. Just everything went poorly for the Titans. And the Titans, believe it or not, did have the second best total defense of any team in the NFL going into this game. Now, yes, a lot of that was because their special teams are so bad that a lot of opponents get short field position on them. Yeah. So they don't give up a lot of yards sometimes when they're just fumbling like crazy on punt returns and shit.

But yeah, it just took care of business. And the haters out there, they said that we couldn't make the playoffs. The haters are furious. The haters can't believe that they would ever make such a dumb bet. And that was the goal for the Commanders this entire season, just make the playoffs. That's their Super Bowl. Yeah. And we took one step closer to that. 83% likelihood to make the playoffs now. There you go. Had to have it. Had to have it. Now we're going to a bye. I hate the late byes, too. It's way too late to have a bye. But more importantly...

Jaden Daniels proved that he can win in cold weather because I don't think he's ever played a game that was 41 degrees of kickoff. Oh. And he did the same thing that he does in every game, which is just stand there smiling with his hands in his pockets. He's like athletic Ben Mintz. Max. Where did you get that 80% from? 83% chance to make the playoffs on the internet. I'm seeing 70%. Have they updated it with the results of today's games? Yes. I updated it and I saw... Can you guys see this computer screen? Yeah.

It says 70. Yeah, go to a different website. It's basically 83. Go to a different website because I don't think your website's good, Max. What? This is NFL. I don't think that they've updated it with all the results yet. Are they updated with all the results, Max? Yes. By the way, the Titans... Maybe your 83% was before the results were updated. No, it was post. The Titans' start was punt, punt, fumble, fumble.

11 penalties in the first half, and before they ran their 10th offensive snap, it was 28-0. Yeah. 10th offensive snap, it was 28-0. Yeah, and hey, Cliff Kingsbury, I don't know if you listen to the pod or you just listen to literally everybody else,

But very first play of the game, he put Terry McLaurin on the right side of the field. Yeah. Which he's never done this year. And he ran the ball. And he ran the ball. He ran the ball. The 39 carries for 246 yards. The big question, though, is... I'm looking at 85% now. Oh. It just went up in the last two minutes? Yeah. On what website? Maybe because the Niners are losing. Could be. PFT's on Microsoft Paint right now. Yeah, I'm just making my own graphic. Yeah.

Right here, look at this. He was just typing it. He was just drawing his own. 85%, 2% soupy. Whoa. I'm liking that. I'm not thinking soupy, though. I'm not, Max. You literally just said soupy. I'm reading the screen. By saying the word soupy, you were thinking about the word soupy. You literally spent Thanksgiving thinking about soupy. That's true. I made a soupy. Yeah. Max, are you worried? Oh, that...

I can read Max a little bit. The Commanders looked awesome today. I can read Max a little bit. They played the fucking Titans. Okay, but they looked awesome. You struggled with the Ravens. You were rooting pretty hard for the— That makes it the same thing. I thought that Max was rooting for the Bucs today because he would rather play the Bucs in the playoffs. No, they lose to the Bucs. We get smoked by the Bucs. They've lost their last, like, a million games to the Bucs. They lose to the Bucs both now and historically.

Yeah. I'm just looking forward to our game coming up on December 22nd, Max. I'm hoping that gets flexed on Monday night. I feel like it could. I will be there no matter what. How are you guys, Hank and PFT? We're great. We haven't discussed anything. Do you want to discuss? I don't want to talk to Hank right now.

No, I mean, I said I picked the Titans today and I admitted that I let PFT's hatred and meanness and ugliness towards me cloud my judgment. Oh, his hate turned into now you're in your head rent free. And I yeah, I admit it. And it was a good bounce back. The commander showed me a lot. Probably a bad bet. And that's it. It was never personal. So I don't know why it's got to be. How happy would you have been?

If the Titans won this game, that would have been quite some potting. Yeah, I would have been pretty happy. I mean, there's three teams that are a game back in the loss column. Yeah, but 85% is all. Stop it, Hank. 85%?

Hank and I, yeah, we're at each other's throats. Don't talk. He wishes nothing but the worst for me. That's not true. I root for Hank all the time. I got the Commander's Super Bowl future. I appreciate that, Hank. You're a good guy. Yeah, you're 8-5 in the Bucs. Oh, maybe that's the 85 he was seeing. And the Cardinals and the Rams are 6-6. Is that what it was? You're just looking at the Commander's record? Yeah, so if the Bucs, Cardinals, and Rams won next week, they would all be one game out.

That would be bad. You got to root against that. Would be bad. You got to root against that hard. Yeah, it says right here, 85%. At the Saints. Your schedule is... It's not bad. No, it basically might come down to what type of Cowboys team's going. It might come down to the Cowboys. It might come down to Kirk Cousins' revenge game. Yeah. Or Michael Penix. Or Michael Penix.

Revenge game. Yeah. For not drafting. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm happy that you guys are back together, kind of. Yeah. The offense looked really good today. And our defense looked good. What, Hank? Yeah. The offense looked good. The offense looked good. Say something nice about the Commanders.

They look great. Jane Daniels played great. Pepsi Rookie of the Week? I also let it cloud my fantasy. I benched them on fantasy, too, and I was regretful. Oh, no! This is a great subplot that you were in PFT's head, and then now it's been reversed. But I'm going back to passively hating. I'm not going to be betting against the Commanders. If they lose, I'm not going to be mad, but I'm not going to be putting my chips on the table. I don't think I got into Hank's head. I think Hank got into his own head.

Well, no, you were just so mean to me that I was like, yeah, I don't want to see this guy happy. Now I want them to lose. You live rent free in your own head.

The Commanders looked very good today. They did. You get credit for killing bad teams. Yeah. They did. The defense looked pretty good, too. Everything. We needed a get-right game because we'd looked real bad over the previous three weeks. So now I get a bye. Now I get a stress-free week of football, which I'm looking forward to. Yeah. The byes. Not having to watch your team on a Sunday. Well, I mean, your team has been fun. But you have three teams that are chasing you, so it's not stress-free. I'm not.

It sounds like you're stressed out. No, it just doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, there will be some stress. I have stress. I feel good. I feel good because of the way that we played today. Now I'm like... You lost to Cooper Rush and the Cowboys last week. Yeah, but no, you don't get it. It's a magic wand. This game happened. Now everything's fine. It was the fucking Titans. Yeah. Did you hear when I said that they have the second best defense in the NFL? Sick. It's the Titans. Okay. They beat the Texans.

They also have four wins. True. Three wins. Three and nine. Congratulations. Listen, I'm happy. You're not going to steal my happiness. Don't be an energy vampire, Max. Don't steal his happiness. I just want expectations. Jerry turned to him when he was up 28-0. He was like, is this even fun for you? I was like, Jerry, what are you talking about? Yeah, it was a lot of fun. So much fun. It was a lot of fun. I wanted Marcus Murillo to get in for the second half.

Play against the old team. The sickos and perverts, if they had to write a script, it would be the Rams catching the commanders, Hank getting to laugh in PFT's face, and then the Rams winning the Super Bowl, and I'm losing my pinky. Yep. Honestly, not from just an entertainment aspect. Pretty good work. Pretty good work, script writer. And the Rams beat the Eagles along the way.

So that you get that as well. Yeah. Where I could just envision a podcast where I'm like in mid-January where I'm like, Max, your team stink. The Rams beat you. And he's like, you're going to lose your fucking banking. The Rams beat the Chargers in the Super Bowl. Beat the Chargers in the Super Bowl. Okay. That'll probably happen. Yeah. Let's take another break. We got three more early games you want to talk about.

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Okay. Colts 25, Patriots 24. Hank. Yeah. Basically exactly what we said in the preview. It was a fun game to watch because the past event is so bad. Anthony Richardson looked really good. Drake May played. He played well. He looked like a quarterback. He won the game. His game winning drives. He's had two game winning drives the last three weeks and I've been very impressed with.

Yeah, and he was running the ball. He was managing the game. He didn't look like he was completely lost out there like he has against other teams. Drake May played well.

I don't know. I wanted them to win. You did. Joey Sly almost hit that kick. He missed a 25-yarder. Yeah, he missed a 25-yarder by 45 yards somehow. And then, yeah, they tried to kick a 65-yard field goal. 68. 68. Yeah. Almost hit it. Tried for an NFL record. You guys, like, doubled up their yardage, too, and just...

They just couldn't win the game in the end. Shane Steichen deserves a lot of credit for going for two. Yeah, I respect that move. That was a ballsy move. So there was a rumor that Juan Soto was going to be the keeper of the light before the game. What? There's a rumor out there about that. From Jared Karabas? Instead, it was Kofi Kingston, WWE superstar. WWE legend. Got it. So good company, Hank. Yeah, I thought Anthony Richardson, I mean, it's the same thing every time where some of his passers are drops. He had one interception was very bad.

He threw for like 100 yards, and he started 3-for-3 and ended up 12-for-24. But his game-winning drive deserves a lot of credit, and that's where I'm like, oh, okay, I could see it. But I'm also not going to be like, man, he diced him up. Yeah, do you always want to beat the Colts? Does that still run your blood? No, the Colts are, I mean, they have a rivalry with us. We don't really have a rivalry with them. Yeah, the rivalry's back on. Payton Manning years.

Even now as a rivalry, but we've won most of those games. And then Andrew Luck, Deflategate, those are all domination. I mean, the Mayo thing is going to be the interesting thing with this team is they're so undisciplined. There are so many penalties, and they don't play good defense. So why do they keep him around as a head coach? That will be the question moving forward, offseason, et cetera. I feel like they're going to stick with him, but it doesn't make sense to me. I feel like they might stick with him.

Because Robert Kraft would think that that's a bad look for him to fire a coach after one year. Yeah. Yeah. And there's videos of him being like, I knew he was going to be the next Patriots head coach five years ago. And it's like, what? That was right after the Patriots won the Super Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. That's weird.

Yeah, and Drake May played well. That 41-yard run was awesome. And the interception, that was a Madden glitch. That was literally a Madden glitch where the ball fell on a guy who was on the ground and someone picked it up off of him. Yeah, it was a good pass. Yeah. So disappointing in the loss, but everything's okay. Yeah, fun loss. How are the Celtics doing? Celtics lost. Today? Yeah.

Fourth quarter lead, collapsed injuries. Jalen Brown, Derek White didn't play. Yeah, they lost. Damn. I'm sorry. How are they looking in the standings? Probably second place. Yeah? That's fine. Any good teams that are looking pretty hot? I mean, they lost to the Cavs. The Cavs are in first, but if we played them in the playoffs, we'd probably sweep them again. Would you be afraid of the Bucs? Not afraid. Six-game winning streak. Healthy Giannis.

They'd be a formidable opponent. I wouldn't be afraid. Celtics aren't afraid of anyone. Full D-healthy Celtics beat anyone. That was funny what the Celtics did to the Bulls on Friday when they were playing for the NBA Cup and they hit that three at the end for point differential. Hauser hit the three and felt bad about him. Yeah, it was very funny. But that's what the NBA Cup does. You got to get the point differential. It just means more. How are the Sixers doing on their race to get to 10 wins? I think we...

So we said by Christmas. Yeah. What if we beat the Celtics on Christmas? Does that count as one of the ten? That would be a win. I'm going to count that as four wins. Yeah, yeah. Christmas Day. But it's at the start of Christmas Day or the end of Christmas Day? End of Christmas Day. Okay, so then we can afford one loss. Wait. One of who is at the start of Christmas Day? Then we'd have to win every game. No, I think that game should count as more than one win, though. Okay. It's a big game. It's on Christmas. Yeah.

So, yeah, no, it's bad. You have the opportunity to ruin Hank's Christmas. Beat the Pistons yesterday. You know what a gift that is? Wow. I mean, there's no way. Like, we might lose that game by 50. Yeah. Is he going to play? I want him to get surgery on his knee and just clean it up. Just clean it up. Just get the whole thing. Just clean it up. Take the ear off. Oh, geez. Wow. Cooper flag.

And then we're back next year. You opted out. I told you I opted back in. You can't do it. That's not how it works. I already opted in. By the way, the Colts, we should say. So I love the Shane Steichen move going for two because you've got to win right now for the Colts. They basically, their season comes down to they have a bye and then their game against the Broncos.

If they can beat the Broncos, they legitimately could go to the playoffs. Yeah. Because that is the team right ahead of them. And the end of their season is Titans, Giants, Jaguars. So watch out for the Colts. It would be awesome for Anthony Richardson to get like there are. I'll say this because I know I've been harsh on Anthony Richardson. I know that the Anthony Richard fans have been like, you've been so mean. I feel like I've only said this.

facts but the game-winning drives against the jets and the patriots both have me being like you know what keep keep running them out there and see if he can he can figure this out hank if it was any other quarterback that won the game against you and then did the fortnight l dance in your face would you be upset i don't know i mean when you're it's it's that type of stuff gets you upset when you're when you're a good team and you're like fighting for something yeah mm-hmm

We're in tank-a-thon mode. It's like, who cares? You did leave the room very abruptly. I mean, I had a big, which it would have been more devastating when the Celtics lost. I had a big Patriots-Bruins-Celtics because they all played today, parlay. That lost. Okay. I noticed that. And now you're fourth. You're picking fourth. Who do you want? Travis Hunter? I know you're a big college football guy. Yeah, I don't know. I got to do some more analyst analysis. You got to do more analyst? Analyst.

You do a little more analyst? Analyst thing. All right. Speaking of who's picking first... You should do that. You should make a big board. Hankalytics. Hankalytics. Drake may look good. That's all you got to keep saying to yourself. And the interception was definitely not his fault. That was an insane, like, how does that happen type of interception. Speaking of who's picking first, the Jaguars. Texans 23, Jaguars 20. This was basically just...

The Trevor Lawrence, holy shit, he got rocked game because Aziz Al-Shahir, that was as bad of a pick or bad of a hit as we've seen in a long time. Yeah, head bounced off the ground. Starting his slide, going in forearm. So shitty. This is why it's so fucked up when Patrick Holmes is a fake slide. Yeah.

Because you're like, oh, he's not really down. And granted, Trevor Lawrence was very clearly going to the ground on this one. He was very much down. Yes. It was a very dirty hit. So much so, in fact, that D'Amico Ryans, after the game, basically threw his guy under the bus and was like, we don't coach that. Well, I mean, that also hurt their defense because the second half, the Jaguar, Mac Jones, had a little bit of a comeback, made it a close game. But yeah, that was bad. And then we had...

The Jaguars, credit to the Jaguars, they wanted to fight right away. That was awesome. And then Jaguars fans started throwing shit at him. I actually think that's okay in that, given those circumstances. I agree. I also like when Aziz Al-Shahir hit him, he bounced up immediately and was like, I didn't do it. I didn't do anything wrong. Like what? And then was greeted by like four sets of cleats. It looked like biz in Scottsdale. Yeah. They all wanted to fight him, which it was good that they all had his back. He got boot fucked. Yeah.

That was a bad, bad hit. It was a bad hit. And I still don't really believe in the Texans, but if they're going to win football games by just feeding Joe Mixon, then I think that they're a pretty good team. But they're still like, I've got my doubts about them. Yeah, he iced out that game. Their offense looked a little bit better because they didn't see a shot had time for once. Yeah. He only got sacked twice. They didn't have a ton of penalties. Their defense is what was bad in the fourth quarter with Mac Jones was

Bringing them back. I was actually shocked when I tuned into this game and looked at the screen for the first time that Doug Peterson is still there. Oh, yeah. I was surprised. I knew he hadn't been fired yet, but is he the most pre-fired person in NFL history? Yeah, I think Sean Conn was just like, I don't really want to do this right now.

Yeah. Like, I'll just wait till the end of the season. Why even do this? Yeah. Hank, what just happened? Your eyes got real big. Matt Collins scored a touchdown. Had a many-time touchdown score. There we go. Because of the no shoes? Because of the no shoes. Yeah. No shoes. Yeah.

He's a dog. Pills are fucking good. We'll talk about that game when it ends. By the way, Max has reached his ADD portion where he just stuck a quarter to his head for like five minutes. It's very weird. Yeah, I don't believe in the Texans either. Yeah. And the Jaguars... He's changing his mind. Sit Trevor Lawrence for the rest of the year. Right? Yeah, yeah. There's no reason to play him. I don't see a reason why you would bring him back. Tank and then just...

Basically, the Jaguars bury the tape for the entire season. If you're the Jaguars, do you then trade the first overall pick? I think you have to, right? Possibly, yeah. If someone's vying for it. Carolina? Yeah, get a haul. I don't know. Bryce Young is good. I know he is good. Bryce Young is good. He's fucking back. But yeah, sit him and just...

Jaguars just go. Jaguars don't need to be talked about anymore, essentially. Yeah, just opt out of the season. We should opt out of all Jaguars discourse. Do they play any meaningful games? Do they have any meaningful opponents left? I guess the Colts, but no. Oh, wow. Jaguars. We're opting out of the Jaguars. Who do we have? Officially. They play the Titans, the Jets, the Raiders.

The Titans again. Oh, awesome. We've opted out of the Jaguars. I'm done. Yeah, we're done with the Jacksonville Jaguar. Put out a press release. The pardon my take is officially done with the 2024 Jacksonville Jaguars and any discourse surrounding them. Love that. We might. And then maybe an asterisk that says, depending on whether week 18, the Colts game has any implications. Memes actually brings up a good point. He says that this is actually massive for tanking.

Yeah. All of those games are huge tank-a-thon games. Yeah, huge. I guess so. We're opted back in. We'll update tank-a-thon in lieu of doing the Jaguars recap. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll just do a tank-a-thon segment. That's when we'll talk about the Jaguars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We will officially stop doing game recaps for the Jaguars games. We'll just have it be the tank-a-thon games. I like that. Okay, last game of the early slate.

Seahawks 26, Jets 21. Memes trying not to give eye contact. This was... Memes, where do you want to start? This was one of the greatest first quarters of all time by any football team ever. Okay, because I didn't know if you wanted to start with that, where the Seahawks had two fumbles on kickoffs and also gave up a 99-yard kickoff return.

So they were down so fast. So they were down so quickly. I thought maybe you wanted to start with the fact that Gino Smith was playing the Jets. Mark Sanchez was calling the game. And then someone pointed out that in Tannenbaum is doing the coach search. And it's just is like basically the gang is all back together.

Yeah, no, or the circus. Yeah, circus came to town. But yeah, that was an incredible start. Incredible first quarter. That's up there with the Mike White game from week eight when we beat the Bengals. Yep. I lost my train of thought. How good the first quarter was. How good the first quarter was. Incredible execution. Devonta Adams, Aaron Rodgers slinging it. Thought we just needed a bye.

They got going. I thought the season was saved. And then he overthrew Garrett Wilson in the end zone. Yeah, that bad. Oh, that was a bad one. What happened after that? And then it was a pick six. Leonard Williams. Wait, where did he play? Where did he get drafted? There was a bridge team in there. But where did he get drafted? Yeah, originally. He was really good when he was a rookie, right?

Where'd he get drafted? The Jets. Oh. So Gino Smith got drafted by the Jets? Yeah, him too. And Mark Sanchez got drafted by the Jets? There was a bridge team for all three impact players for the Seahawks. Who did Gino play for? Wait, who was the third impact player? Julian Love. Oh, okay. He caused a fumble on Breeze Hall. And they were all on the Giants. What did you make of the news coming out before the game that Aaron Rodgers is unlikely to return?

I was like, all right, we'll move on. And then that first quarter happened. I was like, all right, let's just run it back. Restructure, run it back. Yeah. He did say he's in the best shape of his life physically. Yeah. Well, I should change that. He said he feels the best that he's ever felt physically in his life. Feels the best he's ever felt physically. And this is a man who's done a lot of awesome drugs that make you feel really good physically. So it makes sense.

Based on that first quarter. And then you saw the deterioration throughout the game when he overthrew Devontae Adams on that fourth down. He overthrew Garrett Wilson. There was just a lot of timing mishaps. Yeah. If we had a four years younger Aaron Rodgers...

It would be unreal. Yeah. So he said that not only is the healthiest he's felt for a while, but he also said when asked about like whose fault it is, he said there's 11 guys on the field. Sometimes it's my fault. And then sometimes the details aren't there in some other spots, too. Sounds like he thinks other people's faults. Yeah. I saw that quote. Yeah.

A lot of it is his fault. Yeah. Well, it means I got a bad stat for you. Unfortunately, this game brought Aaron Rodgers out of the top five in EPA per play this year, all the way down to 23rd. This game? Well, I assume he was top five before that. He was top five in everything. At one point, he was top five. This is a terrible second half collapse for the Jets. Yeah. After their offense started the season off looking so good. Yeah.

Yeah, you guys just keep bringing up bad stats. I actually... Alright, memes. I got something that will maybe cheer you up. I found a bad stat and then it ended up being... It was basically like...

Call the ambulance, but not for me. Meme where the guy pulls a gun because Aaron Rodgers has not thrown for 300 yards in 34 games. And then I went to look it up. And obviously the last time he did it was against the Bears. Yeah. Week 13, 2021. So call the ambulance. But for me, yeah, I've been aware of that stat. Yeah. So memes. What? Also, Aaron Rodgers had the ball.

With a chance to win the game with a field goal or touchdown five times this year, 0-5. Memes, though, since we're on the talk of memes, walk us through Geno Smith after the game posted the meme of, like, you know, dressed up for my haters funeral. That meme? Yep. You were upset. Yeah, it's fucked up. Talk shit when it's even score.

Oh, wait. That's a Michael Jordan meme. Yeah, that is. Yeah, talk shit when it's even score. You won. Go back to Seattle. Go fuck yourself. That's it. Okay. Stop. You're his biggest hater. Yeah. And today was your funeral. We're not his biggest hater. Charities are his biggest hater. Oh, God. Why do charities? The reason why it didn't work out on the Jets. I would say charity. And he got punched in the face. And then Ryan Fitzpatrick had the second greatest season ever.

In Jets history, so they gave Ryan Fitzpatrick a new contract. They believed in him. Ryan Fitzpatrick got fat and sucked. Whoa. He did? Yeah. Okay. Because he held out for more money, which set a ripple effect to where we are now. So Geno Smith not showing up to a charity event set the Jets back 10 years.

Okay. And we're sure that he did not show up to the charity event. That's exactly what happened. You bought him a plane ticket and he just didn't show up. Yeah, memes replied, hey, Gino, respectfully, go fuck yourself. He's a bad guy. Seems like you're not happy. Would you like him to be the next Jets quarterback? No. Good question, Max. So...

Given the opportunity, you would say no to Geno Smith? No. I don't think you're in a place to be able to do that. Yeah. I think so. You're going to have to say yes to Geno. Kirk Cousins, you would say yes to him. I think you'd probably say yes to Derek Carr. Sam Darnold, he said yes to. Yeah. Derek Carr, I think he's a free agent, or he's going to be out of New Orleans probably next year. Yeah. Derek Carr would be a wild ride. Oh, my God. A wild ride. What a wild ride. We got Derek Carr, boys. Derek Carr.

Yeah, Derek R. I'd do Derek R. You would? Yeah. Oh, wow. You would do Geno Smith. No, you should say yes to Geno Smith. No, bad guy. You should say yes to Geno Smith. You love memes. You literally love memes. He's a bad guy. You're jealous, I think. Of what? He memed you. Yeah, exactly. He used your weapons against you. That's a good point.

That's why I brought it up because I was like, oh, memes got memed. He's got to be pissed about this. Yeah, but do it before the game. Everybody talks after. You can't do that before the game. Yeah, be a man. Be a man, guys. It doesn't make sense before the game. Yeah, that doesn't make sense before the game. If they're your biggest hater, talk your shit before the game. But that's not the funeral. Yeah, he killed them. He would...

So we're all black going into the game. The Jets were all black today. That's true. How did you like those uniforms? I love those uniforms. Aaron Rodgers looked very, very depressed in that uniform. He wore that turtleneck. Yeah, he looked like a French painter from the 1700s. Yeah, he should just retire. Well, so he wants to play next year, I think. But according to the Jets, he's not going to be back. I've got just something I'm going to toss out there because to me it makes sense.

Aaron Rodgers on the Rams next year. What happened to Matt Stafford? Jets. Matt Stafford might retire. Okay. I don't hate it. I feel like he would want to play for McVay. I feel like McVay would look at him and be like, I've done it before. People are saying Aaron Rodgers tight. Aaron Rodgers tight is another house in Nashville. That does feel like he would be. That kind of fits his vibe. Yeah. I feel like he'd do some.

Yeah, he feels like Nashville. Well, think about it. So he got close to Woody Johnson because of the vaccine, right? To try to bring down the Jets from the inside. He might make his next mission to destroy the entire state of California. Oh, that's true. Yeah, that's true. As for the Seahawks, they are in the lead for the NFC West, and I'm starting to believe.

Yeah, again, I can't figure the Seahawks out at all. Their goal line offense is so frustrating. It's not even week to week. It's quarter to quarter. Yeah. Yeah, no, this was a... The beginning of this game was just a comedy of errors for the Seahawks. And I don't know what...

I think they probably got to get LaVisca Chanel not returning kicks anymore because that the second fumble where he almost fumbled and then fell down and then just threw the ball. Yeah, they are hard to figure out. And they had like that goal lines offensive set where it felt like they ran 100 plays and they ended up on like the 20 yard line. Yeah. So what's the Seahawks schedule here?

I think they still have a lot of NFC West, right? I think they have to play the Rams and Cardinals again at least. So that should be – they should duke it out, figure this whole thing out on the field. I got about two and three. Two and three? Two and three in their next five. Oh, no. So that's probably not going to the playoffs, right? I don't know. Two and three in their next five is going to be tough. Their two wins are against the Cardinals and the Rams. Oh, okay.

uh no they're gonna beat the bears i don't know why you would say that as a loss uh oh they do have a tough tough schedule though they needed this game today that was a huge win for yeah yeah packers vikings both at home and cardinals rams and bears they should probably beat the bears although that might be of the bears last win or next win next and last win yeah both combo win uh all right so memes what are we looking at tankathon

Yeah, the first round pick. I mean, first overall pick. You think you can get the first overall pick? We are the anti-Chiefs and manage to lose every single game. Doesn't matter how. We just figure out a way. Yeah. You have three wins. Yeah, you're not getting the first pick, buddy. Why not? Because the Giants, Raiders, and the Jaguars, one of those teams is not winning another game. Maybe the Giants. You're not getting the first pick.

Are you taking a quarterback? There are no quarterbacks. What do you mean? Shador? No. Cam Ward? No. Carson Peck? Oh, my bad. It's Georgia. Oh, no. You don't want that memes. If you look at Carson Peck, tall, big arm, kind of stupid. There's one of those in the AFC East right now. Oh, stop it. Stop it. Don't do that.

Who are you talking about? Josh Allen. Carson Peck is Josh Allen. That's insane. Not the athleticism of Josh Allen, but those. Wait, but it's all stupid. Stupid. Josh Allen's not stupid. There used to be a meme that it was just like if Josh Allen was a stupid and it would just be like highlights of Tom Brady. Josh Allen's not stupid, though. He's actually. You guys go full Josh Allen. Yeah, he goes crazy. He goes crazy. He's totally different.

That's not stupid? No. No, no, no, no. Crazy rocks. Crazy. Josh Allen. Yeah. Yeah, when he goes full Josh Allen, he's like, I'm Josh Allen. I can do anything. Yeah. It's not really stupid. It's just like too much confidence. You ever date a stupid chick? No. You ever date a crazy chick? Yes. Crazy chick's mom. They're called the Jets. Dates a crazy chick every fall.

Oh, memes. Yeah, Carson Beck, I could also get behind Jalen Milrow. Okay. No, what? No, no. He's so fast. What? Yes, he's fast. He is fast. Memes is right. Memes is right. There are moments where if we had a mobile quarterback this year. Mobile? No, memes. Memes. Memes. I will not let you draft Jalen Milrow. You cannot do that to yourself. No, not first round. Not first round. I know, but still.

Blutman wants a Nussmeyer. Oh, yeah. He's sussy for Nussie. Yep. Okay. Nussmeyer's got a hose.

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Yes. What happened in those three weeks that Bryce Young got benched? He became him. It's crazy. Yeah. And I know they lost this game, but it wasn't his fault because he had a touchdown drive with 30 seconds left. He had basically a field goal drive in overtime to win the game if it wasn't for a Hubbard fumble, which was an incredible strip sack, by the way, by Anthony Nelson, but

Bryce Young is a different dude. Dude, he looks good. Bryce Young looks very, very good. He looks comfortable. I think it was like getting benched and then all the trade talk and things like that.

he realized, oh, fuck, I'm going to have to move. And then he got a chance to play again. He was like, I don't want to pack up all my shit. I'm playing now, not just for my career. I'm playing so that I don't have to move again. Yeah. I mean, the Panthers, they lost this game again. No, I'm going to count this as a win for the Panthers. Yeah. Like, it's not going to count in the official standings.

But this is as good as a win for the Panthers. But they've officially... I mean, my power rankings last week had them graduated officially from ass, which they've been an ass for, I don't know, like 30 consecutive weeks. They are a spoiler frisky team that, oh man, are they building something for next year where, hey, we have Bryce Young. He's not so bad. We could maybe use our first round draft pick and get him a really good receiver or an offensive lineman or someone on defense. Like they...

The Panthers, it's crazy how different the outlook looks for the Panthers if Bryce Young is a decent quarterback. Yeah. Maybe they had him playing scout team safety as the backup quarterback. Yeah. He got to see the offense from a different perspective. It unlocks something, and now he's good all of a sudden. This game probably turned out as good as it could for the Panthers because you don't win the game. You don't screw up your draft pick.

Bryce Young plays well. He leads you on a game-tying drive. Yep. And he doesn't fuck up in overtime. He led you on a game-winning drive in overtime. Yeah. And then somebody else, was it Chuba Hubbard that followed? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so he didn't screw up the game in overtime. That was your running back who you already trust and believe in, and it's not like you're going to look at Hubbard and be like, oh, fuck this guy from now on. No, you still like that guy. So it all actually comes out to just as good as a win pretty much for the Panthers. Yeah, and the Bucs –

They needed this game because you have the Falcons losing and now the Bucks are tied for the NFC South. They lose the tiebreaker, obviously, to the Falcons because they lost twice to them. But the Bucks are very much in the thick of it. Could not lose this game. Baker was not great today, but they were like, hey, we're just going to run Bucky Irving down your throat and it worked.

And shout out Todd Bowles because I think he is one of the more conservative, meek coaches when it comes to in-game decisions and risk-taking. I like that he tried to get that extra five yards with six seconds left. And they ran that, like getting the ball back with 30 seconds, they ran those 30 seconds perfectly to get into field goal range to get it into overtime. Because if they had lost this game, I know their season wouldn't be over, but it would have felt over.

because it was like you just had everything fall in your lap. The Falcons lose. They're absolutely skidding. You can now take the NFC South. You could even maybe sneak into the playoffs another way, although the Commanders do have 87%.

I believe it's 85. 85. The Bucs are back. I think the Bucs are a very good team that had a really, really tough stretch of schedule that fucked them up. Well, it coincided with their worst injuries. Yeah, their worst injuries at the same time as the worst part of the schedule. But now they have the only game that is against a team over 500 left is the Chargers.

So they have five games left. Let's even say they go 4-1. That's a 10-7 record that should...

potentially win them the South, and if not, could potentially get them into the playoffs. They could. Yeah, they could. The Bucs, you don't want to play them in the playoffs. And honestly, I feel happy for Panthers fans because you get to enjoy watching football again on Sundays without feeling like a complete degenerate of just making an appointment for your own torture and then just scheduling out the rest of your day. You're going to feel like shit because you saw a miserable product. But as for the Bucs, I feel like...

You might be very frustrated at the end of the season looking back being like, we were a much better team than our record says that they were. And they probably were. I think no matter what happens, I feel like the Bucs...

by the way that the injuries happened to him. And even through the injuries, they kept playing well. Yeah. But if it weren't for those, then you can definitely point back and say we should have won this division if they don't. Yeah, the Falcons overtime loss was the one that they'll look back and be like, how did that happen? Because that game could end up deciding everything. But I'm a believer in the Bucs. I'm a believer in Baker Mayfield. I think this team is poised to go on a run to get into the playoffs.

And this was the game, though. Like, if they had lost this game, it would have been disastrous for them. It wouldn't have been disastrous in, like, they still would have been very much alive. It felt disastrous because that's a game that you got to win. And they have the Raiders coming up. And you got to win that one, too. And then you're going to be looking around being like, hey,

we're okay. We might actually win this NFC South because I believe the Falcons have a tougher schedule because the Falcons play the Vikings next. It's pretty much a coin flip between the Falcons and the Bucs to win that division right now. And then I'd say a pretty high likelihood that second place in the NFC South is going to get in over an NFC West team. Wait, no, PFD. If the Falcons get in, you're out. There is no NFC West.

You're the team. How? How do you figure? You're the 17th. They have an 85% chance. I forgot about the Vikings and the Packers. Yeah. You can't have a second NFC West or a second NFC South team go on a run. So right now the Bucs are at 50%, 49%. Listen, I'm looking at the spreadsheet right now. It says...

85%. Is the New York Times lying to me? Is the needle lying? That's your source? The playoffs are set as set could be in the NFC. If you're a Commanders fan, it's just the Vikings, Packers, and Lions are all in, and the Eagles, and then you just have to have it be a one-bid league between the NFC West and the NFC South.

That's it. Okay. If that happens, you're in. If it doesn't, you're fucked. I'll be fully transparent. I went to NFL.com. I went to ESPN, and I went to the New York Times Athletic. They all have calculators. I chose to stay on the one that had myself at the highest percentage. Got it. Got it. Yeah. No, you're going to actually have a very big Week 17 game against the Falcons. Against the Falcons, yeah. That could be a...

shifter of everything. If it were up to me and I got to decide the Falcons or the Bucs get it, I would want the Bucs. I want to watch more Bucs football than I want to watch Falcons. You just said both. Yeah, why not both? Why not both? Do you want to just invite both? No, I don't want to. I think they're both very nice. What about the Seahawks and the Rams? Do you want to invite both them? No, I hate them.

It's like it's our previous conversation is like 85%. Then you realize those three teams. Yeah, it's the Bucks, the Cardinals, the Rams all sitting there being like, hey, we want in. Well, here's where I don't get it. The only way they get in is if you get out. 85% for the commanders and then the Bucks 49%. But that's because of the division. Then, yeah, I know. Then the Cardinals and the Rams both 35, 27%. Right. Because of the division. Because of the division.

Their path to win right now to get in is the division. Singular focus, get into the playoffs. Again, next week you just need the Bucs, the Cardinals, and Rams to somehow all lose. I don't know who the Cardinals and Rams play. They play each other. That would be good. Well, that would be good and bad. Ty.

A tie would probably fuck some shit up. It would probably break your brain even more. I was rooting hard for a tie in the Bucks-Panthers game. It would have been a fun tie. I like to have one tie per year at least, just to have that little dash one at the end to fuck everything up with the schedules. Yeah. It looks nice. And then you can just revert back to the 16-game schedule mindset where you're like, oh, they're going to finish 8-8 and 1. My brain still kind of fucks up every now and then with the 16-17 game. I know that's stupid to say.

Cardinals play the Seahawks and the Bills play the Rams. The Rams play the Bills. So you can get double losses there. Let's go double loss. The Bucks play the Raiders, though, so that's probably not going to be a loss. That's okay. But the Falcons play the Vikings, so that could be a loss. That's good. Yeah.

The disaster for next week is if the Falcons, if somehow the Falcons, Bucs, Cardinals, and Rams all won, you know what you should do is you should parlay all four of them. It's going to work out. Just as like an anti... Don't lose the bye week parlay. Yeah, don't lose the bye week parlay. Just bet all four of those teams to win so if they somehow do, you at least won a huge bet. Listen, we control our own destiny.

You do probably control your own destiny, yes. You definitely control your own destiny. That's all you can ask for this time of year. Yeah. You control your own destiny. Don't lose a game that you shouldn't. Don't lose a game you're not supposed to lose. I don't plan on it. That's really what it comes down to because aren't your games besides the Eagles pretty easy? Saints. Win. Falcons. Win. Thank you, Hank. That's a toss-up. Cowboys. Win. Whoa. You can't say that. You can't say it anymore. Revenge. Revenge.

Just don't lose a game you're supposed to win. I won't. Actually, you know what you should do? The Saints are a must-win. You have to win that game. If you beat the Saints, I think you'll be good. The Saints are a must-win. The Saints are a must-win. Yeah, because if you lose the Saints game, you're in deep doo-doo. Yeah, then we've got to beat the Eagles. Yeah, right. Yep. Yeah, Saints are a must-win. Must-win next week or two weeks from now. But yeah, the Bucs... I agree with you. I'd like the Bucs to be in the playoffs. They're fun. They'll cause some havoc. Also...

The Bucs, if you go off the BCS model, the Bucs do have two very good wins because they beat the Lions and the Eagles. Yeah. So they have two of the most impressive wins in the entire season. Yeah. I mean, they're a very good team when they play well. I also like rooting for Bucky. He's fun to cheer on. Yeah, Bucky Irving is fun. Okay.

Okay. Also, Stephen Chay being disavowed by the Bucs was great, although he had the ultimate Stephen Chay spin zone. He's like, if I'm no longer a Bucs fan, then that means I'm eligible for the Ring of Honor. And he actually meant that. But also the person that would put him in the Ring of Honor is the person who disavowed him for being a Bucs fan. Yes. Okay. Rams, 21, Saints, 14. I feel like this was the end of Rizzy Ball.

We had the first half where the Saints defense was flying around. The Rams couldn't do anything. It was actually the first time that Sean McVay has been shut out in a first half in his career. And then Matthew Safford woke up and so did Kyron Williams, and he started throwing darts everywhere. And Rizzy Ball is maybe dead. I feel like as Taysom Hill goes, so goes Rizzy Ball. Yeah. And so he got hurt. He got carted off.

Hope he's okay. But that's really – Rizzi was leaning heavily into just using Taysom all the time. Yeah. And, yeah, you're not going to be able to do that now. And I feel like the Saints are – the Saints without Taysom Hill and Rizzi as the coach, to me, are the exact same team as the Saints with Taysom Hill and Dennis Allen as the coach. Yes, I'd agree with that. Just kind of not fun and boring. Also, Florida State has one victory this year. Jared Verst should win defensive rookie of the year. He's a beast.

And he ended this game. No. Oh. Oh. Cooper DeGene. Quinnian Mitchell. Quinnian Mitchell. Yeah, that's true. And Cooper. But they'll split votes. They will probably split votes. But the Rams are back alive. Yeah, very much. They needed this win badly. And it looked in the first half like they weren't going to get it. And I have no idea what's going to happen in that division. It's just a log jam. What about the Seahawks and Rams getting it? Yeah, you could get two teams in. You could squeak two teams in. It's a possibility. Everyone would hate it if that happened. Yeah.

Could be two teams from that division. This is boy math, and I'm failing at it right now. Actually, I feel like the NFC West is going to weirdly be decided by how much fight the 49ers have left. Because if the 49ers already played the Seahawks twice, if they kind of quit, they have the Rams and Cardinals left.

That could help the Rams and Cardinals. I'm just looking at it like if you were in a bad situation, like you were running from the cops and you and your buddies had one coach from the NFC West that had to help you get out of the jam, who would that be? And that would probably be Sean McVay.

Yeah, although I feel like Jonathan Gannon would do something weird. He's got some connects in the underground, yeah. I feel like Jonathan Gannon would come up with a plan that would work like one out of a hundred times, but when it works, it would be incredible. Sean McVay would be kind of like a Better Call Saul, like a shady-ass lawyer that could get you off on a technicality. Jonathan Gannon would be like, hey, let's just hide under this inflatable pool. Yeah. Or like, let's hide in this trash can.

And it would work one out of 100 times. And then all the other 99 times they'd have the dogs and they would get you. Kyle Shanahan would be like, let's call my dad. Yeah. He'll get us out of this. Kyle Shanahan would just choke. Not actually. Yeah. Not a bad strategy. Just like get your dad on the case. But this is it's a fucked up division. Oh, weird. Jared versus actually the odds on favorite.

Oh. Yeah, he's minus 110. Oh, okay, so it wasn't crazy for me to say that? I mean, you said he's the rookie of the year. I said he might win defensive rookie of the year. No, you said he is the defensive rookie of the year. Oh, okay. All right, so you know what? I'll say that. He is the defensive rookie of the year. All right, we'll see. We will see. That's why they play the games. That's why they play the games. That's why they play the games, buddy. Cooper DeGene's going to get split votes. That's your problem. People are going to want to vote for Cooper. Um...

Yeah, the Rams are another team where it'd be fun to see them in just because Matthew Stafford. Anything is possible with Matthew Stafford. One last ride. It's basically when he just turns it on. He's like, the first half was so bad for the Rams. And then he's like, yeah, you know what? I'm Matthew Stafford. Let me do this play action and let me hit everyone. Oh, yeah. I have Cooper Cup and I have Puka Nakua. Demarcus Robinson was getting big passes down the field.

All right. I think that's all the games, right? I think that's it. Yep. All right. So who's back of the week? Who's back of the week? It's fine. There's not much to say. Oh, okay. Let's do it. Eagles are really good. All right. Let's do it. Bills 35. Niners 10. All right. Max, Eagles 24. Ravens 19. I think the Eagles might be for real. If they beat the Panthers. Well, I mean, they only beat the Ravens by five.

Yeah. It was a close game. Max was so mad at the end. He's like, I don't want them to score so people will think it was close. Yeah, you want it to be double digits. You wanted the casuals, the box score watchers, to be like, hey, yeah, we beat them 24-12. People who read the newspaper for their scores. Instead, they see 24-19. They're like, ooh, tight one.

It wasn't a tight one. No, it wasn't. The Eagles are awesome. Saquon Barkley is incredible. Tell us everything, Max. I mean, there's not really much to say. The Eagles are what they are. They start off slow, and then by the end of it, the defense has just got worn down by Saquon, and he just goes off in the third and fourth quarter. Yeah. So it's just like their defense is elite.

The defense is incredible. I wish I could say that they held on to 12 points. Yeah. Like, 12 sounds so much better. 12 is better.

And Justin Tucker, though, he's washed. He sucks. You actually need to cut him, I think, if you're the Raiders. So Harbaugh said that he wasn't going to kick him out. Now, what Justin Tucker should have done is, like four weeks ago, faked an injury. Yeah. You can't get cut. You're going to make John Harbaugh cut you. He doesn't want to have to cut you. This is an old Yeller situation. Yes. Where he will shoot you in the head behind the shed if you let this drag out far enough.

And just don't make him do that. He doesn't want to do that. You don't want that to happen. But it's bad because everyone knows it's an issue, and the Ravens are going to hopefully be playing in big-time playoff games, and it's an issue. It went from a sure thing, this is our secret weapon, to a very big issue. Just make up an injury for yourself. Yeah. You get a bad groin. It's bad. It's an issue. It's an issue. Yeah, it's really. So right now, this year, he's kicking at 73%.

which is 36th in the NFL. So he's worse than every starting kicker in the NFL. And then what? Five backups worse than those guys. That's really bad. It's bad. That's really bad point today. It is going to be, it's going to be a problem for him in the playoffs. Yeah. It's going to be a very big problem. Do we want to do narratives on MVP? Lamar lost it today. Saquon and Josh Allen, two man race.

I don't want to say that yet. I just like to just be knee-jerk. I mean, I don't think he actually lost it because he could probably, depending on if he has primetime games, which that's really what it comes down to. You just have to be a one or two seed player

And have enough primetime games at the end to have everyone be like, oh, shit, he's the best. Yeah, even a great Thursday night game would help at this point. As somebody that has a future on Lamar Jackson winning MVP, I don't want to say it's a two-horse race just yet, but I will say it's not looking good. No, no, it's not looking good. No. Because Lamar's playing bad. It's that Josh and Saquon are playing incredible.

Saquon had another 100 plus yards. Is he on 2K watch? Oh, yeah. Big time, right? Big time 2K watch. What is he at right now? Are you going to make a shirt for 2K? Sure. Yeah, you might as well.

I had a real great glimpse of Eagles fandom just a minute ago before we walked in here. So our president, Pug, is an Eagles fan as well. And Max and Pug were having a disagreement. Pug was saying that he wasn't satisfied with the win because the Eagles didn't score in the first and third quarter. That's good. That's a winning mentality. He's like, I would have liked to see the first and third quarter have more points. Your first quarter sucked, Max.

Our first quarters suck all year. You got to figure that out. Yeah. Oh, he's at 1,500 yards right now. And how many games do you have left? Have you guys had your bye? Yes. I think we have five games left. Yeah, five games. So he's going to get it. He's averaged 100 yards a game. Yeah. 100 yards a game is not a problem for Saquon. That's not a problem. You guys have an easy schedule? Oh, you play the Steelers. Steelers and Commanders are tough. Yeah.

Oh, you're putting... Okay. Commanders are tough. I like that. Appreciate it. Yeah. Respect. Any division game is tough. Tough-ish. Giants with no Dexter Lawrence? Yep. Do you have them twice? Do you have the Giants twice? No. We go Panthers. Oh. 100. Steelers. 75. Commanders. 100. Cowboys. Giants. 150. Yeah. 150. 150.

That's it. He did it. Congrats to Saquon Barkley on 2,000 yards. MVP. That's incredible. I have his MVP, 5-1. Oh, hell yeah. Yep. Love that for you, Max. Not 20-1 like the other guy that we have. Who? Who's that? The Heisman. Oh. His name again? I can't remember. I got confused. I have him 40-1.

I don't look at my bets that much. When you said 21, I thought you were talking about Lamar, who I do have 20 to 1. But then I've got 20 to 1 also on Travis. I just looked it up. Oh, Travis Hunter. That's right. Travis Hunter. That would be very interesting. We're going to find out about this guy. We've got to learn about him. Who is Travis Hunter? Yeah. Seems like a nice guy. Are the Ravens...

They're in trouble now. Not trouble, but it's going to be hard to win the AFC North. Yeah, they're in trouble for home field. Right. And that AFC North, like...

And, oh, man, imagine if they matched up with the Steelers. I don't think – actually, right now they would. If the playoffs started today, it would be Steelers hosting Ravens. I think we as a country deserve that. Yeah. We deserve to have Ravens-Steelers in the playoffs. It would be Chargers and Texans, which is a winnable game for –

a Saturday game all day. Oh, yeah. That's early Saturday game. Steelers-Ravens, they would maybe do the Monday night game. Yeah. Remember, we have that Monday night game, which is such a shitty disadvantage. You want to look at the playoff matchups right now and say when they would be played? Yeah, sure. Okay. So we've got... This is fun. The Bills and the Broncos. Bills and Broncos, I think, would be the Sunday early game, like the noon kickoff. That might be Saturday night.

No, I don't think so. I think the Packers-Eagles would be Saturday night. Oh, that's Sunday like 4 o'clock. Wait. That's a... No, it would be Commanders-Eagles. Commanders-Eagles. That would be maybe Saturday night. They would want to put the Eagles on a night. They like that shit. Packers-Seahawks, that would be Sunday afternoon. Falcons-Vikings.

maybe Monday night maybe Saturday maybe Monday night yeah probably would sprinkle that in as like a Monday night game yeah Steelers Ravens would be Saturday night or Monday night that would be the or that would be the night Sunday Sunday one and four like the NFL's best slots though

No, Sunday night. Night. Night. So you'd definitely have to do Steelers-Ravens. That's a Sunday night game. Yeah. For sure. Steelers-Ravens Sunday night. This is really stupid. The problem is we've got two candidates for early Saturday games. All right, I'm writing this out. Yeah, we've got two candidates for early Saturday games. One would be the Vikings at the Falcons. Texans should be grandfathered into that slot. Yeah, Chargers-Texans is the first game.

Okay, that's game one. Saturday night. Hold on. I'm just filling in the spots that I know. Okay. This is so dumb. No, this is good. Broncos at Bills is the noon Sunday game. The afternoon game is going to be Packers at Seahawks, and then the Sunday night game is going to be Steelers-Ravens.

All right. Yep. Then we have Monday night and Saturday night to fill in. And I believe Saturday night would be shit. Bill's Broncos. No, I have that Sunday at noon. No, Saturday night would be Saturday. I'd be Eagles commanders. Then they would put the Falcons Vikings whole Kirk Cousins thing on Monday night football. Okay. I feel good about that. That's a hell of a weekend of football. I feel good about that.

I'm excited for Wild Card. Can't wait. It's going to be so many changes to the seating and everything. No, but think about it. That's like we just planned out a perfect weekend of football with those. Yes. That makes complete sense. Now I'm kind of attached to that schedule. And it's December. This is when we start thinking about this stuff. This is when you start putting it in your head like, hey, playoff football. There's really those –

Three weeks where you have the whole NFL playoffs. It's the best because it's basically the middle of the week is just irrelevant in my brain. Where it's like, just get me to the playoff games. And every playoff game, you just sit there and soak it in. Oh, love it. Love it. And it's all the roads in New Orleans. Max, have you thought about...

Max. Being in New Orleans? Being in New Orleans. Of course I thought about it. With the Eagles. Of course I thought about it. I'd be kind of mad at you because that means we'd have to stay longer.

Because you would have to go to the game? I'd get so drunk that Saturday night. We would need to hire you your own big dom. Like a big dom impersonator. No. To follow you around and try to keep you sober. No. No. He's got to go all out. We've got to let him just do whatever he wants to do. You should hire your own big dom. Yep. Yeah, no. That's what would really need to happen. Yeah. Maybe we should go to the Super Bowl with him. I don't know. I don't know about that. I've never been to a Super Bowl.

It's pretty fun. It would be fun to go with Max. Me and Rowan would have to go too. Yeah, Rowan would come. Rowan would be invited for sure.

Run it back. Yeah, run it back. I would not be able to cheer on the Eagles in the Super Bowl. I did it last time because of the future. Oh, Bills, yeah. Well, if the Bills won, we'd have to go because we'd probably get to go into the locker room. Yeah. Dude, I would be sitting next to Ed and Alicia. Yeah. Oh, yeah. We'd mess all week. We should talk Bills, Niners. Bills are awesome. 35-10, they won. Niners are broken. Christian McCaffrey, the Walls are back.

PCL is what they said. Bonus snow game, too. I feel like you only usually get one a year. Yeah, that was an awesome... I mean, the Bills are just built for the snow. It's like their running game. Josh just being able to throw... By the way, congrats to Josh getting engaged. Then scores two touchdowns. Has a throwing... He had a passing touchdown, a receiving touchdown, and...

and a rushing touchdown, and his receiving touchdown was passed by himself. Getting engaged, loving it in the snow. This is a guy that does not need dome. No. There it is. Christian McCaffrey's calf exploded. Yeah. I think it was PCL. Yeah, but it looked like his calf exploded. The Niners are seasoned from hell. It's seasoned from hell.

This is one of those games where the snow affected one team way, way, way worse than the other. Yes. Like the 49ers looked like they couldn't walk out there. Yes. And the Bills were just doing whatever they wanted. Did Matt Milano play in this game? We were doing work during it. I actually don't know. But he's back. He's going to be back. Like the Bills, man. They made a comment. I don't know if it's because they're just building a...

like Green Bay has with the heated turf, but they mentioned they were talking to Josh. Yeah, Matt Milano was in the game. He played. Yeah. When they're in the new stadium, the weather might not matter as much. That's something that you say when you're building a new stadium. Yeah, like what? The stadium's right next to the current stadium. Yeah, the pit is right next to it. Whoever was calling, we were talking to Josh before the game, and I was asking him, you know, the weather when you're in the new stadium won't be as much of a factor. Are you going to miss this place? And he was just like, no.

Are they saying that they're going to leave the old stadium up so it's going to shield the new stadium from the wind? I don't know. Or I think the Packers have a heated field that can melt snow. No, it also is. It's not a roof, but it's a partial roof, so it probably is not going to be as windy. I would imagine. If you look at it, it looks like...

half of the stands have a roof over it. Oh, yeah, from the lake. That's on the lake side. It definitely won't be as windy as the old stadium. They should just keep building new stadiums just in between all their old stadiums until it's 100% insulated from the wind. You ever seen that picture where they're – I think it was four. I think there was four. All four of the Milwaukee Bucks where they played were all up at one point.

What do you mean? Like, the Bucs played... Can you look this up? The Milwaukee Bucs all four of their stadiums. So they built their new stadium before they demolished the old one. Yeah. And then the one they played in like 50 years ago was like an auditorium that was across the street. So it was like all of their history was all within like one block. That's pretty cool. It was pretty cool. It was a cool picture. I don't...

I don't know if you can find it. You didn't really... What did you search? Just Buck Stadium? Buck Stadium history. No, all four. Pug was so good at this. Maybe. Pug was awesome. This is an impossible fucking... All right, let's see if I can find it. Pug accomplished that feat no less than five days ago. Four stadiums in one picture. Milwaukee. Maybe it was three. It might have been three. I don't know. I saw it once and it was fucking cool. Here? Here?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, there it is. Three NBA arenas all in a row. Yeah, that's pretty cool. And I think the fourth was like an auditorium across the street. It's pretty cool. I like that. It's like the Evolution poster. Yeah, isn't that cool?

I'm happy that we stopped for that. Good job, Max, for finding that. Yeah, good job, Max, for finding that. Rowback question before we do Who's Back? R-H-O-B-A-C-K.com. Promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rowback.com. Promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Let's do week 13. We're in December. Super Bowl matchups around the room. Memes, would you like to start?

Give it to us. Super Bowl matchup? Super Bowl matchup. We're week 13. I don't know if our predictions, what our preseason predictions were. Remember when Max picked the, or no, he made fun of me for picking Vikings over? Or no, you picked Vikings under. No, you made fun of me for picking Vikings under. Yeah, and I was, I'm still waiting for my apology. Did you take it? I'm still waiting for my apology. Did you take it? I'm still waiting for my apology. I did not.

We're in California for Grit Week, dude. Memes. I'm going to go Ravens, Vikings. Oh, that's gross. Yes, you should have gone Jeff. That is gross. Purple. Why would you do that? Ugly Super Bowl. That was a vibe killer. Darnold. He's a Darnold guy now. All right, Hank. Vibe.

Yes. Lions-Bills. Yes, that's mine. That's mine. Bills-Lions. You got to just think about what, like, I am a neutral party in New Orleans. What do I want to see? Yes. And it's Bills and Lions fans just taking over Bourbon Street. Sneaky backup to Bills-Lions in terms of fan bases, Lions-Steelers.

Steelers fans in New Orleans would be all-time as well. That would be something. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Bill's lines. Okay. That's it. Maybe Chargers lines. Oh. Chargers is really good. Hank would be Arthur Meemur.

I'm going to go with best thing for Barstool, Eagles Steelers. Oh. Steelers. Wow. Then we would have to go to the game. No, actually, no. We would be streaming. Yeah, we would stream back here. That would actually be great because then we'd come back. I mean, if it's Bill's Lions, I think everybody's happy. You're not going to let Jerry go to the game? That's like a once-in-a-lifetime stream. Eagles Steelers would be such a good stream. Eagles Steelers put Gruden right in between the two of them? I think Jerry would quit.

I don't think he has an option. I think he quit. I think he'd be like, I'm going to go work for Mr. Beast. No, he could go to the parade.

I don't know. The Super Bowl is also like... Dave's gone to all the Super Bowls. Yeah, that's true. Max, would you... I mean, did you like going... Would you rather watch it on TV? No. Max, quick question. Would you like to go to the Super Bowl? That is crazy. I don't know, for a loss? The loss sucks, but I need to be there for a win. Yeah, that's true. Like Hank...

brags about how many fucking after parties he's been to. For the after party? Greatest nights of my life. Or the Celtics parade. Yeah, Jerry would... I think we'd have to Hannibal Lecter put him in a mask and a gurney thing. We would have to stream in New Orleans. Yeah, probably. They would have to go to the game. You guys should just go to the game and I would just want to watch them. I'd want to be like 15 rows behind them. We're just saying things to show their fact.

We're scheduling the first weekend of the NFL. We're scheduling what we're going to do if the Eagles-Steelers play in the Super Bowl. Yeah, dude. Let's just go. Let's just watch it. It's called using your imagination, Max. Let's just watch it. Let's just let things happen. Oh, man. What's going to happen? We're definitely going to come back to... We're streaming here if it's Vikings-Ravens. Oh, my God. What a memes. What a dick. It's going to end up being Chiefs-Packers and the Chiefs win again. That would...

Well, the Chiefs would be good because of you. Chiefs winning, beating the Packers would be awesome. Vikings-Ravens is just so... The Ravens... I don't even know what you just did, Memes. The Purple Bowl. What does that mean? The Purple Bowl. Can I make a bigger bummer? Oh, yeah. Falcons-Texans.

Falcons-Texans would be bummer city. I think the Vikings are there as bummer. I actually think Seahawks-Texans would be worse. Seahawks-Texans? Yeah. Seahawks-Texans would be just like a what? Chargers. No, Chargers would be great for you and me, Max. Correct. Ride or die, guys. Correct. Ride that thing. He's getting upset just thinking about it. No, that's not even a thought. I want the Chargers to prove you wrong.

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alluded to it earlier and I don't know if it was just because I was home in Massachusetts for the weekend and I was hearing the local reports and propaganda but I'm seeing some tweets I'm seeing some reports I'm seeing Juan Soto's sisters looking at apartments in Boston the Mick, Kirk Minahan guy reported that he's 100% signing with the Red Sox I saw a picture of Juan Soto at Hertz Rent-A-Car at Logan International Airport

Did you see that one? I didn't see that one, but I've heard it's going to be as early as the middle of this week, and I'm thrilled. My socks are back. Yeah, he's hurt a lot. So he's signing? His sister is, yeah. I mean, why would his sister be looking at places in Boston? It's always the real estate. It's a beautiful city. It's always the real estate.

Does this have anything to do with our good friend, Jared Karabas, trying to speak into existence? What did he do? Oh, he's just been tweeting about it. I've just seen him. I've seen that. I've definitely been brainwashed. I definitely obviously follow a lot of Boston biased people and accounts. So that's definitely part of it. But I've just convinced myself we're getting Soto. There he is. See? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Holy shit. Juan Soto. That's his sister.

No, that's him. Look at the hair. It's long hair. Some of us have long hair. Yeah. So congrats, Hank. Thank you. That's huge. Yeah, I'm excited. I didn't even think we were going to be in the running, to be honest with you. So the fact that we got him is great. You're in the conversation. Yeah. Yeah.

Big stuff. Okay. PFT? My Who's Back of the Week is rivalry trophies. Yeah. Did you guys see the news coming out of UMass? Yes. So UMass and UConn, they play their rivals, bitter rivals. Hank, you know just as well as anyone. There was a trophy that was made for the rivalry game.

I don't even think kids from UConn or UMass care about this, by the way, which is the funniest part. So after the game, they did not present the rivalry trophy to UConn. Is that correct? No. So apparently the initial report was that UConn refused to accept it.

And then Jim Moore Jr. was like, that's not true. We wanted it. They wouldn't give it to us. So now it's... Jim Moore Jr. said he was looking for the trophy after the game. Yeah. And they were told to get lost.

And then UMass just put out a statement saying regarding yesterday's football game and fan interest in presenting a trophy to the winner prior to the game, the two schools had not discussed awarding the trophy to the winning team or using the trophy in general as a symbol to our longstanding series. The trophy was provided to UMass for the first time earlier in the week and

Not leaving a lot of time to properly consider an official name should have been the come-ass trophy. Secure a mutually beneficial sponsor or execute a marketing plan. In addition, series results still need to be added to the base of the trophy. Both schools agree that celebrating our 78-game rivalry requires appropriate planning.

So now they're asking for the trophy so that they can award it to Coach Mora and his team. We have no issue with this plan, and for now we'll consider the trophy property of the two collectives to be used at their discretion. It's a jug, by the way. It's a cum jug. It's a cum jug. Yeah, yeah. Why did they not give the trophy? I don't understand how this got held. They made a trophy. Jim Mora Jr. won the trophy.

If you make a rivalry trophy, you have to be prepared to give it away. If you don't want to give it away, then you just do the Jim Harbaugh thing and you don't tell the other team about it beforehand. Yeah. And then you just get to keep it if you win it. What was that line in there about we weren't planning on this being a representative of this rivalry? I just love that UConn's always in the middle of these. Yeah. Because obviously the civil conflict, my favorite trophy of all time. Is that dead, by the way? Yeah, what? The civil conflict? Is that still... Yeah, well, I don't think they play...

No, like you trying to find it. Oh, I found it. The UCF has it, I believe. I basically kicked the hornet's nest that got it out from some guy's garage who then donated it back to UCF, which sucks because I should have been me. I should have had that trophy. I would have had it in the front of the office, encased, and it would have been like the Clemson Rock. Everyone touches it when they come to work. It would have been incredible.

But they fucking robbed it from me. I got to say, this trophy looks like you got it from a 1980s pottery barn. Yeah. They could have put a little bit more time into the trophy. Yeah. I mean, how many times have these teams played when both teams have a winning record? UConn's had a good year this year. That would be interesting to look up, though, and see when both teams are above 500. They're going bald.

What? Jack Mack's going to get on your ass. No, the UConn football team. UConn football's been very good this year. I said both teams have a winning record. Yeah, he clearly said both teams above 500. You didn't know UConn was having a good year, though. The wood in this trophy looks like an elementary school desk. Yeah, UConn 8-4. They better get a bowl invite. That would suck if they don't. You automatically get one if you get six. Nope. They have to.

Because sometimes there's more bowl-eligible teams than there are bowls, which is crazy. And UConn being an independent means they don't have a bowl tie-in. So it's like a lot of these. Remember when we had the Barstool Bowl and it was Mountain West versus Mac? They're independent, so they don't have an automatic bowl tie-in. UConn needs a bowl. It'll be bullshit if they don't get one. They went 8-4 this year. Put them in a bowl besides a 6-6 team.

Crazy. Crazy. It would be very funny if they got a bowl and Nebraska didn't. Just for real. By the way, I know we're going to do college on Wednesday, but my Who's Back of the Week is Ryan Day. Because that was the worst loss. I actually think that might have been the worst loss of all time. In the history of losses? Football games only? It was a loss that had me, for the rest of the day, muttering to myself, I can't believe they lost that game. Like, the stakes of that game...

There were 20-point favorites. Ohio State is loaded. Michigan doesn't have an offense. They don't have a quarterback. Michigan has had a dogshit season, and they still went in and bullied them in Columbus. They have two not quarterbacks. It's crazy. It is wild. And Michigan's offense was so bad, it looked like they were trying their best to give that game away to Ohio State, and Ohio State couldn't do shit with it. And then the penalty...

on Ryan Day at the end of the game yeah not good not a good way to end it not not a good way to beat the fraud allegations Ryan get Ryan Day yeah and then you almost called him Ryan Ryan Gay you did you were very close pepper spray yeah it was chaos I mean I love rivalry week what are you gonna say Hank

You say the stakes of the game, but Ohio State is still going to make the playoffs and still can win the national championship. If Ohio State wins the national championship, though, like you saw it. Tate came into the cave today. He's like, if we win the national championship, Michigan will just say they've won two in a row because they beat us. Like that...

The way the rivalry has gone the last four years and the way that Michigan beat them the last three years and then won a national title and the whole Connor Stallion shit and everything, it's not just one game. It's like the culmination of it all to get to that point where Ohio State was so much better defensively

And to lose that game. And now, if they... I think there's actually a decent amount of Ohio State fans that would be like, if we win the national championship game, this was still a failure of a season because we lost to Michigan. That's how much it means, though, to those people. And for the fact that they have seniors that have never and will never beat Michigan. Yeah. By the way, I had no problem with...

If you're a defensive player, I think you're allowed to go fight over the flag and be like, don't plant that flag because the defense of Ohio State played tough. The offense should not get to do that. That was also Jason Avant. Eagle.

Do you know that? That's crazy that that was Jason Avant who was the one who took the flag back. I also think it's pretty funny that they're... Yeah, isn't that crazy? He's like a sideline reporter for Michigan. I think it's funny that they're fighting over planting a flag into an artificial surface field. Yeah, you can't even plant it. Which you can't plant a flag into. Yeah, but it was a bad scene for Ohio State. They got humiliated. I don't know. Maybe I'm being reactionary, Hank. It just feels like that was...

Ohio State had such a better team this year, and Michigan, they weren't even trying this year. They didn't even have a quarterback.

And to have that happen is crazy. Max, what are you going to say? It's definitely a failure of a season no matter what. And that is as devastating of a loss as you can get. How can you win a – that's crazy. Hank, as a college football fan, you know this. You know this. Hank, what would happen if Ohio State won the national championship? How do you think Dave would react to that?

I know how he reacts, but it's like, well, he's the embodiment of Michigan fans. I would say in 30 years, if I'm an Ohio State fan, grad, when I go to bring my kids and I show them and say, and they're like, daddy, what happened? We must have killed Michigan. Because what happens is every time you bring up that national championship, it starts a story. And the story is, yeah, we beat you guys.

A national championship is a national championship. But to be like, we won a national championship and Michigan had a fucking dog shit year and they still beat you. And it's also like, this was, Michigan now has Bryce Underwood. Ohio State has to figure out what to do with Ryan Day. Like, this was the year where you beat,

You beat Michigan, and then you go win a national title, and all is restored in the world for Ohio State. None of that happened. The Syracuse QB going off, too, was fun. Oh, yeah. Kyle McCord was so awesome. I think they would still love to win a national championship. Oh, for sure. They'd be very happy with it. It wouldn't feel as sweet. They also know that every time they bring it up, they're inviting Michigan fans to be like, we beat you. It would not feel as sweet. Preseason, if you ask Ohio State fans, say you can win a national championship to lose a Michigan title.

they're saying no a lot of them would say literally yeah he he said that before the season starts he's like they had to beat michigan beating michigan is more important than winning a national championship that's why college football is the best yeah i mean it makes no sense to me but do you think dave is rooting for ohio state to win the national championship yes he might know so that he can say no i think i think he's rooting for them to get to like the semis or the final and then lose

And then he can be like, man, he's going to root for Ohio State. Being like, I just want the Buckeyes to be a pro. Because he kept on saying, this is bad for the rivalry. The rivalry is over because you couldn't beat us at our worst. This isn't a rivalry anymore. He was like, oh no. Yeah.

We can't have a rivalry with them anymore. Yeah, I'll say this. I respected what Ohio State did after the game was over in the same way I respect what the Jaguars did when they knocked out Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, I have no problem with it. It's good to have a little fight. Yeah, I like it. By the way, Max, you weren't here, but I threw out the take. Ryan Day should be, when he goes to bed at night, he should just thank his lucky stars that James Franklin exists.

Because James Franklin has basically propped up Ryan Day. James Franklin's playing for a big-time championship this year. I understand, but you get what I'm saying. Ryan Day has not beaten Michigan in four years, but Ryan Day always beats Penn State, and they're like, look it, Ohio State, we beat Penn State. Every year. It's just...

That's just how it goes. But they don't care about Penn State. I understand. I'm saying more like Ryan Day can't win the big one. No, he beats Penn State. And then James Franklin's like, oh, James Franklin can't win the big one. Oh, no, he beats Iowa by 40. Beats everyone but the big one. Yeah. I know. Penn State in the big 10. Are you going to go down?

I was thinking about it. I want to. I don't know. I don't know if you guys looked, but on the DraftKings app, every single conference championship game this weekend is, I think the biggest spread is four and a half. It's going to be awesome. I think Penn State Oregon is three and a half. This would be such a big one, though, Max, for you. This would be the crown jewel of the big ones for James Franklin.

Yeah, it would be the one seed, maybe. I still think it wouldn't be the same, though, because it's not Ohio State or Michigan. No, but I feel like the Big Ten championship. Hank, you don't understand college football rivalries. Championships. I understand championships. I would want to win a fucking, like, I don't care who I play in the Eastern Conference Finals or the Finals. A championship's a championship. Celtics had an easy path to the fucking championship. Who cares? It's different. College is different. I would want to win a Big Ten championship, but not if it's against Michigan. Like, what? No.

No, not if it's against Florida. It's a Big Ten championship. No, I mean, I would like Penn State to win this one, but it still wouldn't. It wouldn't feel as good. Yeah. If they beat Ohio State. Penn State beat Wisconsin in the Big Ten championship. We're talking about beating them over there. Hank, you don't know anything about the Blue Bloods. You want to beat a Blue Blood Big Ten big one. I guess. I kind of understand what you're saying. I just don't personally feel the same way. Rivalry Week rocks. The hatred is so, so deep.

It's the best. Okay. Good show, boys. Good to be back. Should we do numbers? Memes will take 71. PFT 100. What? Is 100 in there? Is 100 in there? 17. It used to be. What do you mean it used to be? The old machine? 83. It is. 11. I believe it is in here. 100's in there? Yeah, I see it right here. It's right here. Okay. All right. 99, Pug. I don't even know what I said. 82. I'm changing mine. 30.

16. 21. We got to figure out what Hank's first one was. Oh, no, and that 30 just came down. 12. Meme says 71, right? Meme says 71. Jack, which one do you got? 16. Jack's a Michigan guy. Yeah, I want to ask him a question. 90. Jack, explain to Hank. We were talking about Ohio State, Michigan.

And I was saying that that is one of the most devastating losses, if not the most devastating loss of all time because of what Ohio State had at stake, their team versus Michigan. Do you think that if Ohio State, like you know Ohio State fans, right? If they win a national title, it's not going to be as sweet because they lost to Michigan, right? Definitely. And do you know Ohio State fans? No. Let me ask you this way.

Do you know Michigan fans, they're like, if we beat Ohio State, it doesn't matter if we win the national title or not. Yeah. Like, the rivalry means more than the national title, which is weird. Yes, definitely. Hank? I hear you. It just doesn't make any sense. It makes some sense. It just doesn't make totals. Like, I understand how much rivalries mean. You can hang your hat on beating Michigan or beating Ohio State, but a national championship should trump

I think for a lot of fans it does, but I think there's some fans that are like, that was the end of their season. I also think Michigan fans... If I was an Ohio State fan, you're devastated, but I'm like, fuck it, we've got to win the national championship now. I think Michigan fans and Ohio State fans, if they hadn't won a national championship recently, then it might be a little bit different. Yeah. Where they're like, yeah, national championship is the goal, but since they've accomplished that in their lifetimes and in their recent lifetimes...

Then they're just like, we want to beat a Rob. Didn't they lose when they blew the game against Georgia? Who? Ohio State. What do you mean? The missed field goal. Yeah. That was in the playoffs. 2019. Ohio State won national championships, though. What year was that? CJ Stroud. Oh, so that was 2020 or 21? 22. 22. So they lost to Michigan. They lost to Michigan that year.

If they'd won the national championship, do you think they would have been like, ah, well, we lost to Michigan, so this sucks? Yeah, I think they're not as bad as this one. This one is the culmination. Yeah, I mean, I understand the heavy underdogs and stuff, but I still think. And also it's the, like, Connor Stallions, Michigan winning last year. Jack, where did you watch the game? Was that, like, a game that you'll remember forever? No.

100%, yes. That was unbelievable. Yeah, you never thought they were going to win that game. I planned on turning it off at halftime. Yeah, and then they just bullied him again. They bullied him again. That was crazy. It also has to do with it's now four years in a row. So it's like they have no argument. Even if they get because Michigan just won the natty, they don't even have that argument. Right, right.

And it feels like Ohio State is in a crisis and Michigan had a one down year and they're going to be back next year. Like you had the moment. Here's the thing. The best part about winning a championship is that you can be like, you guys can't tell me anything. I'm the champion of the world. And guess what? Michigan can tell themselves. Yeah, you put it perfectly. There's one fan base that can tell you that and it's the worst. And it's the one that you don't want to have anything to say. Yep.

All right, we'll talk more college football on Wednesday. See you guys then. Love you guys.