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Hank was very upset that the Knicks won this game. Yeah, he was very upset. You were trying to pretend like you were rooting for just an extended series. I know Hank pretty well. You would have preferred, I think, to have seen the Pistons. No, I'm excited for the Knicks. I'm excited it's going to be good content. To get Mr. Bing Bong back? I like to beat New York, yeah. We will be with Mr. Bing Bong game one at the Beck Gala in Arizona. Jerry O'Connell will be with us live streaming the game. And New York fans are the loudest fans that never win anything, and it's just fun to shut them up.

Well, I'm excited to beat New York. They did win this series, and we should give Jalen... If they win it, did the Pistons lose it? Well, the Pistons did choke in the end, but Jalen Brunson... Multiple times. And the ref show. That's, you know, wins a win. Jalen Brunson, we got to give him credit. He scored 40 points, one of the coldest...

crossover three in the eye on Azir Thompson, who was awesome all series playing defense, but Jalen Brunson is just that good. And that was such a cool moment. He lost him by about seven, eight steps. It was crazy. He went off the camera. He went out of the frame of the camera on defense on that crossover. Yeah. And then Jalen Brunson just steps back and hits it. He had a 40-point game last year, right? In a game seven or a game six, some elimination game. Yeah, Jalen Brunson, he is good.

The Brunson burner ignited. The Brunson burner. Did you like that? That was Zion Eagle's call. I like that a lot. The Brunson burner ignited. I appreciate that. I also want to give respect to the Detroit crowd. They did a great job tonight. I liked when they got in unison and chanted flopper as the refs were reviewing it. I thought they were saying soccer, which would have...

also played for what Jalen Brunson did on that particular play. And I've said this throughout this entire series. Yes, it sucks if you're a Pistons fan waking up this morning and you lost a series that you very well could have won because every game felt like a coin flip. And, you know, you had game one where you blew a big lead. You had game four where you got screwed by the refs. Either way, perspective, the Pistons have a very bright future because Cade Cunningham stepped up that level of

playoff series, young team getting their first taste of it. It sucks to hear, but the Pistons have a very bright future and the Knicks, Jalen Brunson is just, he's that dude. Yeah, for sure. If you're a Pistons fan, you're going to go to sleep. You're going to be pissed off. You're going to wake up in the morning and you'll probably still be pissed off when you wake up in the morning. But by the end of the weekend, I think you'll probably have a good amount of optimism.

You'll just be thinking, okay, we can build off this. We're going to be awesome next year. Let's move on. Fuck the Knicks. Yeah, right. Exactly. And now, Hank, you got the Knicks. You got Jalen Brunson, Carl Anthony Towns, who I think I'm just become a huge cat fan until he's so funny. You will be fun to root for until you're rooting for him on your team. Yeah. Well, yeah, I know. I'm rooting afar, and I just think he's very funny. Yeah.

He pulled his stomach today on a jump ball. It was like chest, stomach, shoulder. Yeah, he like jumped barely off the ground, and then he just started grabbing his chest and his stomach, and he was like, I think I pulled my stomach trying to reach up in the air. That was kind of a head scratcher. But Hank, when you say that you have the Knicks, do you have the Knicks or do the Knicks get you? Because after the game, the Knicks fans, they were outside MSG, and you know what they were chanting? We want Boston. We want Boston.

We want Boston. Yeah, they don't have a choice. Yeah, but so they got you. Yeah. You're saying we got them. I think they got you. Okay. What is the path for the Knicks to win this series? I do not think the Knicks are going to win this series. I actually was thinking about it. I think if you could put campaigns brain in Carl Anthony Towns head, the Knicks might have a chance.

If you just had Carl Anthony Towns with unlimited belief in himself. They can shoot like 75% from the field. Oh, the Knicks do that all series? They could have a chance. You'll get one campaign game. You will get a campaign quarter maybe even. But a quarter equals a game. Yeah, that is. It can be the difference. You need Carl Anthony Towns. Carl Anthony Towns would have to be incredible pretty much all series. Jalen Brunson is going to be incredible. Yeah, I'd say the Celtics are going to win this series. You don't think that Jalen's going to be incredible?

I think we have an amazing perimeter defense. I think we're going to lock them up and make other players beat us. The Knicks don't have those players. Who's got the better Jalen? Celtics. Okay. Jalen for Jalen? Jalen for Jalen, yeah. Prediction. Five? Five. I'm going to say five. I think it's a sweep. I think you guys got them. Sweep? Easy. Max? Knicks in six. Knicks in six. Did you see? So prediction game is tough. Memes? Memes. Knicks fan.

Nixon six. Oh, copycat. Now memes just keep telling me to say Nixon six. Oh, okay. So that was a pick from the booth. Correct. Speaking of predictions, we got to talk about some other games. And one of them is the Timberwolves closing out the Lakers in five. And I don't know if you saw ESPN went over 11 on their experts. Yeah. Picking this series before we talk about the Lakers, because there's a lot to talk about the Lakers. The wolves are.

Awesome defensively. They were, I mean, they shot seven for 47 from three and still won this game. I actually think they were trying to win this game on hard mode because the Lakers weren't playing a center and Rudy Gobert had 27 and 24, which this was like a redemption arc for both Rudy Gobert and Julius Randall, where Rudy Gobert has been clowned on a lot.

And he absolutely bullied the Lakers. He put them in a torture chamber. He not only was scoring at will...

rebounding at will, but every single time LeBron or Luka tried to go into the post or try to drive the lane, he was there. It was the Rudy Gobert game. He was dominating the paint. He was getting offensive rebounds, dunking them immediately. It seemed like that's something that Rudy should be able to do more often, but this might have been the first game where Rudy realized that there is a basket and that he can score on it. He scored 14 points in the first four games of the series. He scored 27 on Wednesday night. And not only that,

Anthony Edwards was not good shooting. And I say shooting because he's still... Anthony Edwards has stepped up a level where... Remember how much double teams would bother him a lot? Even earlier in the season, he said that. He...

distributes the ball, makes good decisions, good ball handling, rebounds the ball. So even though he shot like shit, Anthony Edwards is still a force on the field, and he played great defense and out-physicaled LeBron. You're right. He passed really well. He was able very frequently to get around whoever that first defender was that was coming out to step to him on the perimeter. He would get around whoever that person might be and then take a couple steps, find the open man,

Yeah, he was really good. And then after the game, he took a victory lap around the stadium, which is one of the coolest things. He had a little squad with him as he did the victory lap.

Just basically saying, like, yeah, I am the man now. Yeah. I love that move. I love the fact that he's pushing LeBron during games. I love that he's not afraid to talk shit to anybody. I love that after the fact, he's just pissing on their grave. Yeah. That's what we want out of our superstar. Yeah, he's the face of the league if he can win a title. And the Timberwolves are just a really good team all around. And this was an ass kicking. Yeah.

I mean, I thought the Lakers would win on Wednesday night just out of pride. Yeah, zero pride. Zero pride, zero answers, and the Wolves are just so good defensively. And again, 7 for 47. They shot worse in this game than the Rockets did in that famous game against the Warriors in Game 7. Yeah, I mean, if you would ask J.J. Redick if you would be okay with having Rudy Gobert beat you offensively going into this game, he'd be like, yeah, that's...

kind of what I'm thinking. Oh, I thought you were going to say he would leave the press conference. Well, no, he would leave the press conference. It's not a fair question. He would leave the press conference if you asked him, did you talk to anybody about substitute? Did you know that you're allowed to substitute? Yeah, listen, we're JJ Redick fans because he's a friend of ours. Except for Hank. He is a friend of ours. Not the best series for him, but he is a rookie head coach. I think you can give him a little bit of... I mean, like,

The Lakers, well, Luka fell into their lap this year. I think he did a very good job with the Lakers this year. He had a little bit of a problem in this series, a little bit of a meltdown. There was a report that Reggie Miller had to calm him down, which was weird. I think that Reggie Miller probably told somebody that afterwards. I think Reggie Miller likes to be part of the conversation. Yes.

Yeah. And I think there is some truth to that, that maybe JJ was very emotional, that he was like, you know, a little intense. He's a serious guy. He was on edge. And also, I think JJ, he's a smart guy. He's played a lot of basketball. He's talked about basketball a lot. He he probably had a good understanding of his roster and knew that he was limited. Jackson Hayes was I don't think he got a minute. Did you get a minute?

I don't think he got a minute. So they didn't have – they were like, hey, we have a big guy and we're not going to play him. We're going to let Rudy go bare –

Just punk us. Yeah, he played three guys off the bench. Obviously, game four. Yeah, Maxie Kleber had not played with the Lakers at all. I don't think he practiced really. He played since January. Yeah, he hadn't played since January, and he was in at crunch time. Yeah, not exactly. He didn't have a lot of outs with his roster, and the Super Bowls were just a better team. But JJ Redick had the moment where he left the press conference. Probably a learning experience for him. I still think he's a very good coach. Hopefully, LeBron doesn't fire him. And

Uh, we also had JJ Redick after, I think it was maybe after the game or today when they did media, he said that, uh, without naming names, he said the roster must get into championship shape during the off season. I think he's talking about one guy. What part of the roster are we talking about here? I think he's talking about the Slovenian part of the roster. Is he talking about Bronny? I think he has to grow. He, he, Bronny does have to grow, but yes. Uh,

Nico Harrison's a fuckhead, but was he kind of right? But also he's, he's a dickhead, but maybe also a genius like Steve jobs. So I got a, I got a couple of stats for you. Uh,

Timberwolf drove at Luka 16 times during Game 5. He was blown by, blow-by stat, nine of those 16 times. You could see it. He was a traffic cone for most of the night. Also, the Lakers' defense in this series gave up a 120.4 rating, which would have been the worst in the league for the entire league

for all season when he was on the floor. Luka looked gassed. He had that third quarter where he had a flurry, but he looked gassed. Does Luka have a little early onset in Bede? I think Luka has... He had a bad back, though. Yeah, you're right. That's how he... The bad back is then when he scored like 15 points in a row. Luka, he was laboring, as Reggie said. That was sarcasm. Yeah, yeah.

Yes. Wait, what? Yeah, yeah. Are you... Max is about to go on vacation. He's been questioning our way to the Fyre Fest, which was very, very entertaining. Max, what are you questioning sarcasm on? Who? Hank or Big Cat? I thought he was... Whatever. He just said he had a bad back. I thought you were stopping it because I said he has early onset and beat. Yes, but Embiid has never played a playoff series without an injury. I understand. So he has never gotten excused. Luka had a bad back. But he has...

Whatever. He obviously did that on purpose because Embiid has hurt every series and he's never gotten the, oh, well, he was hurt. Yeah. Well, he had a bad back. We have to forget. Well, no, I don't think he has early onset. He got to the NBA finals last year. I think Zach Lowe put it perfectly. He's like everything he does is he's laboring in everything he does. Yeah. Well, I think Reggie Miller, was he the one that was like he's laboring the entire time? He's like, yeah, he's struggling out there. I think Lucas hurt. I think he's hurt. He looks like he's playing 50% out there. He was playing 50%.

was playing on offense we have when i say early onset and bead luke is a better player than and beat has gone to an nba finals has won an actual conference finals i'm saying just in when you watch the game and play to play you're like is this guy gonna survive yeah like that you you just have that vibe of like is he okay because he doesn't look like he's gonna be okay he looked like every single person at barstool sports after about 10 minutes of playing pickup right the way that he was turning around running back down the

He's got to get into championship shape. He's got to play his way into championship shape. Also, Anthony Edwards really, really rubbing it up, running up the score on Luka. After the game's over, he still has the energy to do a Frank walks around the arena. Yeah. Luka could never do that. Luka would be on a go-go scooter. Yeah. Full disclosure, I wasn't being sarcastic. Oh, okay. Oh.

Not sarcasm. The good news is for the, I think this is probably the fourth year in a row, third year in a row, we can stop hearing ESPN say that this is the year that the Lakers are going to go to the finals. That is true. It feels like every year it's been the Lakers, Lakers, Lakers. Andy Edwards is the Kingslayer.

He took out Jokic last year. He took out LeBron this year. Who else? KD and Booker. KD and Booker. He's 23 years old. Face of the league. Face of the league. And then the big question of this game, because I don't think... Nico Harrison is a shithead. He is not right because he still didn't shop Luka around. He still shouldn't have traded Luka, but...

Everything that Nico, everything Nico Harrison was standing on Lucas, you know, being out of shape, defense, defensive liability did kind of come into play in this game. Yeah. I still would rather have Luke on my team, but it was for one night. Nico Harrison went to sleep happy for since the last, you know, since February. But it's almost like Nico Harrison might have trained to the Lakers to put him in the perfect situation to be exposed defensively. Right.

Because on the Mavericks, at least you had some people on the inside that could play some defense. Yeah, the center. That could step up and that could cover up for some of the liability they have on the outside. With the Lakers, the way their roster is right now, they were basically like, hey, Rui, you can just stay on the inside and deal with Gobert, right? Yeah. That's no problem for you. And after the game, Hachimura was like, I'm 6'8". I don't know what else you want me to do. Right. I can't really do much against this guy. Height matters. But so, Luka's side.

LeBron James, he's still good at basketball, very good at basketball. He did seem mortal in this game five in the fact that he was – I mean, DiVincenzo hit sticked him by just standing still. LeBron didn't feel like he could get anything going. I feel like this is a crossroads for the Lakers because LeBron is going to play another year. I don't know if you guys saw the report from Shams, which –

Stop me if you heard this before, but LeBron wants to play another year because he has a son that will be draft eligible in 2026. I love that. I love having three Jameses on the Lakers roster. I saw that, and I saw some people speculating on him retiring early.

LeBron James is not going to retire out of the blue and just walk off the court and that'll be it. He is going to have the retirement tour. He's going to go across the country and there's going to be like a documentary crew that follows him everywhere. And we'll have to deal with watching, you know, the TV show about LeBron James retirement.

as he's currently retiring in the process of it. It's going to be a big thing. And I'm not saying he doesn't necessarily deserve it. He's been a great player for an extreme, like a crazy long period of time, 20 years. Of course he's going to get like, you know, the star treatment, but LeBron is not the kind of guy that would just,

silently leave his shoes at the center of the court and walk off the floor. No. The big question, though, with LeBron is I agree with you. He's not going to retire. He's got 50 million player option next year. That's the big question. Is he going to opt into the 54 million, which would then...

basically tie Rob Palenka's hands behind his back in terms of roster building or is he going to be like hey I actually want to try to put a roster around me because I'm not like LeBron is still good very good at basketball whatever you want to say top 15 top 20 player right now in the league whatever I don't I don't know what the argument be but like he's somewhere in there

That's probably not worth $54 million if he's 41 years old. He's got to get paid less if LeBron wants to play another year, I would think. Well, it's his call. Of course. He can accept the player option. Correct. But you're saying if he were to be a free agent right now, what would the salary command? He could not opt in and then take less. He can opt out and then willingly take a pay cut and say, I would like to get paid less.

$35, $40 million next year. Which would be smart. Use that money to fill the roster. Get someone over seven feet. But we're also looking at the options that you're going to have in free agency. Yeah. It's not great. No. Not a great market out there. They can always trade Bronny. Really, you just need...

You just need a big body in there. Yeah. Get a couple big bodies that can give you some fouls. They were the first father-son duo to lose a playoff series. That's crazy. Yeah. And they also, the Lakers, do you know, this is a fun fact, the Lakers have never lost in the first round when they were a three-seater higher. Damn.

Did not know that. Yeah. I thought that this would at least go seven. I thought that the NBA would love to have. The Lakers quit. Yeah. The Timberwolves are just a better team. I don't even know. But they played so bad. That was a Lakers. The Timberwolves did not win that game as much as the Lakers just didn't. They gave up. The Timberwolves defense. And Luka was hurt. Like, you can't really. They had them in a fucking. And Luka was hurt. They had them in a torture chamber. They didn't. The Timberwolves defense is very, very good.

And, I mean, you saw it. Like, LeBron didn't want, like, he couldn't get anything going. Rudy Gobert had them all seeing ghosts whenever they would go to the rim. Austin Reeves couldn't shoot for shit. Austin Reeves had a bad series. Yeah, he had a bad series. So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I mean, if you're a Lakers fan, still, if you said at the beginning of the season, hey, you're going to lose in the first round in five games, you're going to lose.

But, oh, yeah, Luka's going to be on your team. You'd take that every single day. You would take that, absolutely. But then what if you knew that Luka was going to be laboring? Yeah, sure. And hurt. Maybe laboring in that he looked like he was pregnant. Yeah. That's probably what they meant. He did kind of look like he was maybe pregnant at times. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So I'm just happy we can stop talking about the Lakers for – and not us, but the general media because that's –

They take up a lot of, and they weren't a serious contender, but they weren't. I know that it's like, you know, you have Luca and LeBron on a team. You're like, oh, watch out. They're two unbelievable players. They just didn't have a team that was going to make a deep run. Now, what if the Wolves just roll and then we can look back and say, you know, the Lakers really gave them the best series. Mike Greenberg would say, yeah, for sure. All right. The other one, this was the weirdest game. The Rockets and the Warriors.

This is just a, this is, this series is just ugly because it's this game. The Rockets were up. So they played so well in the first half that the Warriors threw the white flag with like four minutes into the third quarter. And then the Warriors backups played so well that the Rockets had to put their starters back in. I also like, am I crazy to say that it's, it's kind of nuts that Steve Kerr gave up on this game when it was,

A 13-point game with five minutes left against a very young Rockets team where if you can put a little game pressure on them, they might fold. Like, that seemed crazy to me. I'm going to trust Steve Kerr on this one. I thought so, too, at the time, especially because I had some Steph Curry bets that –

ended up not cashing because of that move. So I, like you, was yelling at my TV, like, put Steph back in. The game's not out of hand yet. I just wanted to see. I didn't even have any action on it. I just wanted to see a good game. I was like, it's a 13-point game, and the Rockets are one of those teams where it's like they are young, and they can flinch. I think that Steve Kerr

He knows his team pretty well. He knows these guys really well. And Jimmy Butler's still kind of new, but also banged up. He just probably saw a chance to cut your losses and rest up. They literally just punted on the game. Yeah, they did. The game started. The Rockets jumped all over him, which credits to the Rockets. And then it was... Yeah, that was it. And it was like, you know...

Ahmed Thompson and Dylan Brooks and Fred Van Vliet all were awesome, like shooting crazy percentages. And yeah, it was just over. It was over. And then they and then I mean, we had I will say the one thing that was fun to watch is Pat Spencer, who is just basically remember he is just a mini Danny Hurley from the UConn National Championship team. He came in. I think he had a game high 17 and then he got kicked out for headbutting. I love that. It was so perfect.

I think he scored. How many points did Pat Spencer score? He was kind of all over the place and then got kicked out. It was a very Danny Hurley. Danny Hurley would be proud. Yeah, he had 11 points. Who was he screaming at earlier this year? Was that KD? Yeah, he was screaming at KD. You're thinking of a different guy. Oh, I'm thinking of a different guy. This is his brother. I'm thinking of Cam Spencer. Cam Spencer plays on Memphis. He yelled at KD. Pat Spencer. Pat Spencer's a lacrosse player. Lacrosse player. He's like one of the greatest lacrosse players of all time. All right. Good catch.

good catch throw everything I just said out I would love to understand I you could understand how I got that confused because Pat Spencer's also crazy and Cam Spencer played for Danny Hurley he's also crazy he's the one who yelled to Kate there should be a rule in the NBA that if you are a brother and especially if you're a twin you should have to play on the same team yeah agreed or a son

Yeah, they kind of just look the same. And when he headbutted him, I was like, yeah, that's Danny Hurley. So that's my bad. I would very much like to see the Warriors advance. I think that they will. I think that they'll end up taking care of business against the Rockets. I do too. Mostly because I want to see Draymond and Rudy Gobert. I want to see those two lovebirds out there on the court. I'm excited to get a bunch of tweets saying I was wrong and then 30 seconds later saying, wait, memes corrected you. Yep. Those are my favorites. Yeah.

Oh, I got a ton of those from Montreal fans. Listen, I don't know if, like, listen, the AWL is the best fans in the world. We fuck up so much stuff. That's all we do. That's the beauty of this show. We just fuck things up left and right. Especially if we're recording past midnight. Which we are. If it's past midnight, so like every NFL Sunday show that we do. It's a mess. I'd say we get more things wrong than right.

But the things we get wrong, we're being sarcastic, and Max just doesn't realize it. It was a bit. I was doing a bit with Pat Spencer. What, Max? How many times do you think, like...

Let's say memes didn't pick up on the Pat Spencer thing there that they would go to somebody else and use that take because of what you just said and act like an idiot. I feel bad for that sometimes. Oh, you mean like somebody hanging out with their friends and they say that? And they're like, yo, did you see the Yukon kid? Yeah. Headbutt someone. All right. So it is on us. We got to be better. Yeah. I say dumb shit all the time. And we all do. Yeah. No, but just like get better friends.

Get better friends that'll be like, I don't care that you got that wrong. It was funny that you said that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Guys make mistakes. Let's normalize guys fucking up. Nobody wants to know it all. No one does. Right. No, the know-it-alls are the worst.

I mean, you got to make mistakes. We're no at nuns. You know what? He did play for UConn. Fuck that. Pat Spencer did play for UConn. And when he yelled at KD earlier this year, that was fucking awesome. Yeah. He basically was like, yeah, he yelled at KD. He's like, I'm playing for the Warriors and the Grizzlies at the same time. And Bobby Hurley is my coach. And Meeam's actually very rude of you to interrupt us and to try to correct us on that.

It means just say yes and move on. Yeah. Apologies. Nixon six. They're actually their older brother, Spencer Pratt. Remember him from Real Housewives? Yeah. And his brother, Chris Pratt. Yeah. This is all. We're connecting all the dots. We just nailed that. I am excited for game six. I do agree. I think the Warriors. I think you're going to actually get a Warriors effort.

yes because you better if you if you decide halfway through game five you're not trying anymore you better have those bullets saved for game six uh and then we watched uh game six of so we get game six warriors rockets on friday night and then we get game seven uh clippers nuggets on saturday so uh which

Which I'm very excited for. This series is just awesome. And it feels like.

We're just going to have to see if we keep getting the good James Harden. Because he was really good tonight. My question was going to be, are we getting James Harden right now? I think so. Are we getting hard? I think so. Because this has happened in the past where James Harden has had good games in playoff series. And we're like, I think this series is when James Harden is taking it seriously. Yep. And then game seven happens. And we're like, why did we get hard again? Yeah. You know what I'm going to do in this game? I'm just going to...

I think it's just going to be Jokic versus Kawhi. I think both those guys are going to be incredible. Superstars. I really do because Jokic always gets his stats, and Kawhi's had a good series. But I think this is one of those games where we're going to look up and it's going to be Jokic is going to have 30 –

for 18 and 11 and kawaii is gonna have 39 points on like 85 shooting i would love to see that that sounds like a fucking awesome game to watch that's what that's my prediction it's a great series though it is a great series i'm very excited for game seven what hank i'm just i don't know who's gonna win who do you think's gonna win i actually don't you don't know i really have no idea because you could like you could make the yeah

Yeah, I don't know, because I was convinced that the Clippers were going to win game five before that game, and the Nuggets took it to them. It is crazy. I would probably say Nuggets. Is this right? The Nuggets only shot nine free throws the entire game? Yeah. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

A lot of mid-range for Jamal Murray. Jokic was probably scared of the horse heads in the crowd. He definitely was. Maybe he got inside his head. Yeah, who's going to win this game? When is this game? This is Saturday night. This is going to be Kentucky Derby Day? Right after the Kentucky Derby. Is Jokic going to be fired up because he just watched the horses, or is he going to be completely spent? I don't know. He might be spent. Might be spent. Although they don't have...

I don't know if it's exact course racing that he likes. He likes the carriage races. Yeah. I'm sure that I'm sure that Yoko likes it. But yeah, he might be fired up. Like if, if he loses on Kentucky Derby day, is that more likely for him to have a good game or a bad game? Well, everyone loses on Kentucky Derby day. Uh, wait to hear Randy Moss. So he'll give you some winners. Uh, you just got to follow him because then I always try to outsmart myself. Uh,

Good question. I don't know. I feel like if you lose big on Kentucky Derby Day, nothing good happens for the rest of that day. Right? You kind of like retreat into a pit of sadness. Question everything about your own brain. He needs a Spencer brother to block the TV for him. Is there a Spencer on the Nuggets? I'm sure there is. There's another one.

Hawes? Yeah, George. Yeah. Still kicking around the league? Our guy Spencer Hawes? Spencer Hawes is not in the league right now. But shout out Spencer Hawes. He's listening to this podcast. What's up, Spencer? Yeah.

We love Spencer Hawes. He should be in the league. He should be in the league. I thought he still was. It was Spencer Hawes. The Lakers should pick up the phone. Spencer, stay by your phone. Spencer would have fucked Rudy Gobert. Rob Blank is giving you a call, buddy. Yeah. All right. We got to pick. Let's pick a first basket for Friday night. Rockets Warriors. NBA playoffs are finally here. It's about time to get wild. Highball.

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I'll go with... I don't know. Shang-Goon. Yep, Shang-Goon. Yep, I'll go with Shang-Goon. The Turkish Terminator. I knew I was going to fuck it up, so thank you for stepping in. That's plus 475. I got you, bro. We get things right on this show. Where's he from, Max? Slovenia? No. I just said it. You just said it. Like two seconds ago. UNC. Tar Heels? No, Turkey. Yep. The country.

He's like only 22 years old, too. I was reading about him the other day. He's just been playing bad. He's like one of those guys that I think was playing professional basketball when he was like 14 years old. He moves like it. Yeah. Okay. Hockey. PFT, you advanced. Congratulations. Caps win, baby. Caps are going to the next round. Who are you playing? Au revoir, Canadians. We're playing the Carolina Hurricanes. Yeah, so the East playoffs weren't great.

They weren't. No. Because we have. I enjoyed them. Yeah. I'm just saying, like, in terms of great series, we actually only have one game seven in the Stanley Cup playoffs. That's the Stars and the Avs, which that has been a great series. Yep. But the Caps advanced. The Hurricanes advanced, I think, before. I think they advanced Tuesday night. So we already recovered that. The Leafs can breathe a sigh of relief. I was shocked.

The Leafs have advanced. I think we all were thinking that this would be very funny.

These are not your, your father's Leafs or your grandfather's Leafs. Well, that's, that's what I've heard, but I mean, they've won playoff series before. Yeah. And I, I do root for fan bases that haven't seen a taste of victory in a long time that haven't had that. Uh, but then I see Paul Bissonnette on TV wearing a stupid Maple Leafs tie screaming into his phone from about two centimeters away. His mustache spittle everywhere. The mustache. Yeah. Mustache looking like Freddie Mercury on steroids. Uh,

Let me be clear, Paul Bissonette. You better hope that you get your ass kicked in the second round because I wouldn't like nothing better than to skull fuck you in the Eastern Conference Finals. And I will. I will skull fuck you. Tom Wilson will skull fuck you. So you better just bow out and lose right now. I do think that the Panthers are going to beat the Leafs.

Panthers seem really... I mean, they made quick work of the lightning, and that was a... We talked about it on Wednesday's show, but the very physical series with suspensions and guys going out, and they...

They took care of the Lightning fast. Is that loser talk by the Lightning head coach afterwards to be like, you know what? We're glad to pass the torch to the Florida Panthers as being the other team from Florida now takes what we built and they get to build on it. That's some SEC culture shit. Yeah, that's some bullshit. Yeah, that's crazy. I root for the state of Florida. Think about this. Think about the Lightning coach when he goes to a kid's living room trying to recruit him in state.

You're like, didn't you talk about the Florida Panthers having the torch now? Yeah, maybe I might just go to school there. That's insane. Yeah, it is insane. But I actually liked that series a lot. It wasn't as long as it should have been. It would have been great to see more games, but it was still a fucking awesome playoff hockey season.

series just because we only have as of right now one game seven because the jets and the blues had to play game six on friday night doesn't mean the hockey playoffs haven't been incredible i mean there's been awesome action every single night we are having whitney on on sunday to break down the whole first round and preview the second round uh that stars as series though has been incredible yeah and then the oilers how about the oilers down two two two games to none

And then they just come and reverse sweep them. And that game tonight, it was on crack. It was 2-2 five minutes into the game. Just flying around. They finally got some goaltending. Yeah.

Now, there is kind of a wrinkle in the schedule that's coming in for the second round with the Caps and the Hurricanes. We've got a stadium scheduling issue in Carolina. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. So apparently, the good people of Raleigh, whoever runs that stadium, I don't know if it's the guy that ran the payday loan company that bought the Whalers and moved them to Carolina or not, but they scheduled the arena for

To have a Shane Gillis concert. Okay. And two Pearl Jam concerts. Oh, geez. Next week. Max is good friend. Max is good friend. Eddie Vedder. So I don't know what they're going to do about that because there was a time. I think this was just a few years ago where it was the Penguins and the Caps that ran into the same situation. And the Caps got a home. I think they had a home game taken away from them because Pittsburgh fucked up their schedule. I don't know what's going to happen.

but the schedule, they might have to play back-to-back nights. That's not good. So that would be wild. I don't know. That's not good. But I'm looking forward to the Canes. The Canes are a good team, and they've played pretty well against the Caps recently. I've got to figure out a mayor's bet against...

I think the most famous person from Raleigh is Brandi Love. She's a Hurricanes fan. That's big. Yeah, putting that on the list. So which should I bet against Brandi Love? I saw our guy PMT Stats said someone's running away with the Bonk List this year, and it's going to be either me or you. Yeah. So I don't know, but that one didn't help you. I'm fine running away with the Bonk List. Yeah. But, yeah, Brandi, if you're out there, I know you're a big Canes fan, probably a big listener of the show. Memes keep saying Jordan.

Jordan's from she's from Raleigh that's what the music yeah Bill Bill was at the game the other night okay all right so listen this is a battle of the titans most Jordan famous people from Raleigh Pete Maravich dead uh R.I.P. should have said Clay Aiken I think alive John Wall alive Dougie

Michael C. Hall? Well, the only Kane celebrity fan I'm familiar with is Brandi Love. Okay, then your hands are tied. Yeah. I'm giving you other ones, but your hands are definitely tied. My hands are definitely tied. Which is the worst way to pay attention to Brandi Love. Unless she's in the room with you. Unless she's in the room with me. Right. If the Hurricanes beat the Capitals, I'll never jack off to Brandi Love again. That's a great deal.

Oh, Mr. Beast. Balls in your court. Mr. Beast is also says that Brady Love is from Dearborn, Michigan. Oh, really? But she's a Hurricanes fan. Oh. But so that was the only one you could find? No, Mr. Was a porn star? Yeah, Mr. Beast is not a Canes fan. He's a Rangers fan. Got it. So you could only find a porn star. Only find a porn star.

I spent a lot of time looking for porn stars. But I mean, if Jordan... Jordan. Jordan. Please get her name right. If she is from Raleigh and she's a Hurricanes fan, we'll have to figure out something. Also, they were probably at the...

They were probably at the Hurricanes game because they live in North Carolina now. Yeah, this says daughter of Maine fishermen. Oh, Maine's ain't no fun when the rabbit got the gun. It's an adopted team. Well, I'll tell you what. They live in the state now. It also looks like Brandi Love is also an adopted team. That's fine. Yeah. So Brandi Love, you're going to have to do it. She won mil for the year.

What year was that? I don't know. I just saw it on the Wikipedia when we pulled it up. That's a very prestigious award. No performer of the year 2013. Oh, she's won. Wait, hold on one. She's dynasty. She's won three milfs of the year.

Holy shit. It's pretty good. Is she bad for MILFs? Well, when was the last time she won? 2020. In IL change. Yeah. Oh, no. She won best MILF in 2025. That one's according to the Fleshbot Award. Which is actually, that's, I think, they got to unify these belts. It's too many belts. 2020 Hall of Famer, though. Oh, hell yes. Wait. So is best MILF, is that like a lifetime achievement award? No, it's the Fleshbot Award.

I feel like best MILF has more cachet than MILF of the year. Yeah. By the way, so we are going to talk more. This is our hockey recap. The Brandy Love Talk. We are going to talk more with Whitney, and we have two great interviews coming up right now. I do have keys to the series just real quick off the top of my head. Keys to the series. Number one, Tom Wilson needs to hit somebody in the face. Okay. Number two, we have to rock the red.

And then number three, Brandy Love needs a DME. Okay. I like that. Keys to the series for the Caps. I had one last thing before we get to our interviews. Randy Moss giving us Kentucky Derby picks. Joe Kim Noah in studio. And then, again, listen to Firefest. It was very funny.

Just real quick, this is something we got to put on our radar. We're going to have to start monitoring because last year we talked about the Oakland A's and that fucking loser, the fail son from Gap. What's his name again? John Fisher. John Fisher. Fuck him. We've talked at length about Jerry Reinsdorf and what he's done to the White Sox.

We got to get on the radar of the Colorado Rockies maybe being the worst team of all time. Because I don't know if you've paid any attention to this, but the Colorado Rockies are on pace right now for, I think, 32 wins. Yeah, pretty incredible stuff. They're 6-25. So, officially, the Monfort brothers. Monfort brothers. Dick and Charlie Monfort.

We're looking at you. We're watching you. We're on your shit. I don't like that. And when I say we're on your shit, we're just going to say you fucking suck ass once every couple of months and nothing's going to change about your life, but we're on your shit. I don't like the idea of brothers owning a team together. Yeah, that is. It seems like a plot of a terrible sick. No, we do. We got a dream come true. We got to break the brothers up. Hey, Dick. I heard Charlie was talking shit. Which one's the hot one? It looks like Charlie. Really?

Yeah, no, Dick is significant. Charlie has no hair. He looks like a penis. Oh, Dick is running the show. This is weird. Charlie looks like a dick. That is weird. Pull him up. Pull up the Montfort brothers. So is it always Dick and Charlie when you look it up online? I think so. How come it's never Charlie and Dick, huh? You ever think about that, Charlie? Two images on them, the Montfort brothers. Now, you didn't Google it, right? Just do Rocky Owner's Google image. Max is already on vacation.

All right. So look, see, this is that's Dick on the left. And look all the way to the right. That's Charlie. Look, he looks like a penis. Click him. Click on him. That looks like someone going to Brandy Love. He looks like Joe Camel. That's a crazy head. Fuck these guys. Yeah, they suck. They did be blooper in the Braves the other night, though, which is crazy. Oh, Max, are you nervous?

About who? Blooper having a boxing match with Philly Fanatic. This is the first I'm hearing of this. Oh, my God. This is a legacy match. I don't think the Fanatic is going to wipe the floor. I think that Blooper is going to win. I think Blooper is an athletic guy. You ever seen Blooper run through seven-year-olds on the football field?

Dude, it's Derrick Henry. Did you ever see him get bullied off the internet? I'm not talking about it. Is the boxing match taking place on Twitter.com? You don't think that? Excuse me, X.com. It's all happening on X. May 27th. Mark your calendars. Fight night is coming to Philadelphia. Oh, and it's in Philly? Yeah. Come on.

Why are we just looking at a wall of brandy love right now, Max? Blooper's going to gas out. He's a fat fuck. He's not going to be able to. He's going to go half a round. He's not going to be ready to go. Max has safe search on. Yeah. Of course. This is work. This is a place of work. Oh, yeah, yeah. We're really following all the rules at Barstool Sports. Yeah. Just go back to X.com and pull up college hotties or whatever you follow, Max.

That wasn't that. Campus cuties. Sorry. It was campus cuties. Campus cuties. Campus cuties. All right. That doesn't help us. Let's get to our interviews. Wait, wait. There's one other update in the NBA. Oh. Halliburton's dad is no longer welcome. That's right. He has been banned from the postseason. Yes. So I put the blame on Tyrese for this because he didn't have his dad's back. Yeah. Yeah.

Although it might be better. If the Pacers go to the finals, you think that Hal Burton's dad's not going to be there? No, they said he's banned for the entire postseason. I thought it was a self- You got to sussy him. You got to sussy him first. You got to say two games, you can't be here. Let it cool down for a while. But if they do get hot, hypothetically, if they make it, if they advance, at some point you're going to want his dad back there, right? Right. For the vibes? Right. So I don't like that. I don't like that at all. I don't either. Yeah.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. One of my favorite traditions on this show. It is our good, good friend, Randy Moss from the Kentucky Derby. It is Kentucky Derby weekend. This is like, Randy, I got to say this, like you're, you have a special place in my heart because every time the calendar turns and we get to this point and we

And we have Randy Moss on part of my take on the Friday before Kentucky Derby. It's like we've made it. It's summertime. It's the official start of summer. So thank you so much for always joining us. And how's everything going? Hey, good. Hey, I'm one of the original recurring guests, Big Cat. Yep. You know? Yes. The first time I was on, we played Race Horse or Porn Star. Are we going to play that again?

We could. Yeah, Bonnie Blue. That would actually be a really good race horse. Yeah, Bonnie Blue would be a great horse name. Bonnie Blue's a great horse name. Yeah, no, you were first on this show, I think it was like, what, two months? It must have been two months. Yeah, yeah.

After it was created. So, yeah, we're coming up. Next year is our 10-year anniversary, which is crazy. Wow. So maybe we'll have to do something special with you. Yeah. And I think one thing people don't really talk about enough about Randy Moss, if you followed his picks, especially your Friday picks that you give on this show, your return on investment, I think, beats the S&P 500.

I think Randy Moss has been the safest investment you could possibly make. I couldn't lose with you guys for a long time. It's kind of come back down to earth a little bit, but let's get the ball rolling again this year, why don't we? Yeah, all right, so let's get the ball rolling. So obviously we want to talk about the field and who you like, but the big story is the return of the bad guy in some people's eyes, Bob Baffert. He's back.

the Kentucky Derby after a three-year suspension. What's the vibe? I was reading some stuff and it basically seems like Bob Baffert's pretending none of this happened. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, Bob. And so is Churchill Downs. I did not know what to expect when Baffert came back. They gave him his old barn back. They put up all the old signs at his old barn. They're all singing Kumbaya by the campfire. Bob says the one thing you have to learn being a horse trainer with so much dejection and disappointment and defeat is you

how to turn the page and move on and don't dwell on the past. And he said he's viewing the last three years and all the lawsuits and the legal challenges, none of which were successful, like he was just losing races.

And now he's looking ahead and he's just ecstatic, really. He's really happy to be back here. Has he spent this time away refining his game? Is he coming back with any new tricks up his sleeve? Or is it just same old, same old? He's been doing the exact same things. He just hasn't had the horses in the races. Yeah, that's what, well, you know, he's arguably, I don't even think there's an argument. He's the most successful Kentucky Derby trainer of all time.

Obviously one of the leading trainers, period, of all time. And while he was serving at three-year suspension, it was just for Churchill Downs Incorporated racetracks. Churchill Downs, Fairgrounds, Ellis Park, Turfway Park, Fairgrounds, racetracks like that, right? It had nothing to do with any of the other racetracks Bob competes at, really.

So he's been winning tons of races. His stables actually gotten stronger over the last three years than it was before the suspension. He just most famously couldn't run under his name in the Kentucky Derby. Fortunately for Bob...

during that three-year period, he didn't have an American Pharaoh. He didn't have a Justify, right? He didn't have a horse that looked like it was a Kentucky Derby winner. And he doesn't this year either, really, to tell you the truth. But just the fact that he's back, he was booed, actually, I was told, by some people at the post-position draw.

So he is, he is still a bit of a polarizing figure with some people. And I think a lot of that has to do with the coverage and the mainstream media that made it sound like that he was, you know, doping, uh, Medina spirit, uh, with an intent to try to cheat and try to win rather than the reality, which was just a, uh, a medic, a medication violation that should have been avoided. Yeah. Uh, so, so he does have, uh, two horses in this race, uh,

Rodriguez and citizen bowl. You, do they have any chance of winning? Cause obviously that would be an incredible storyline. He returns, he wins. They're not, they're not favorites. They're, they're long shots in this field, but is there any world where, uh, one of these could win? And if you had to lean, which one, which way, uh,

Which one do you like more than the other? There is a world. It may be in another universe, but there is a world in which a Bob Baffert horse, one of those two horses can win. Here's the interesting part about the race, guys, from a Bob Baffert perspective, right? Citizen Bull and Rodriguez are both speed horses. They both need to have the early lead in order to win.

So you say, okay, they're counterproductive, right? You don't, you know, they both can't have a clear lead. Citizen Bull, I think, is faster than Rodriguez. So if either of the two horses are going to win wire to wire, it's most likely to be Citizen Bull. But here's what's going to happen. Martin Garcia on Citizen Bull, Mike Smith on Rodriguez are both going to ride their horses fast.

strongly out of the starting gate with the intent of making the early lead. Then Mike Smith on Rodriguez is going to look over and if he sees Citizen Bull on the inside of him, instead of going head to head with each other, he's going to ease back a little bit and Citizen Bull is probably going to go on to set the pace. If Mike looks over and doesn't see Citizen Bull,

Like if citizen bull breaks slowly from the starting gate, then Mike says, heck, I can have the early lead. That's what my horse likes. And then Rodriguez will take it and he'll have a shot to go wire to wire, but the pace is likely to be fast. And so it's, it's really the rates looks on paper. Like it sets up for a comfort behind it. Yeah. Okay. I was looking at the odds journalism. I've read a lot about him in the past couple of weeks here, the overwhelming favorite, I believe three to one right now. Right. Um,

I look at this like when I look at a golf tournament where it's Scotty Scheffler and he's like plus 250 before the thing even kicks off. And I think to myself, the juice isn't worth the squeeze betting on one guy that's plus 50. He's probably going to win, but I still find a hard time putting money down on that person. With journalism at 3-1...

Is the value there? My opinion? Yes. I think journalism is two to three lengths better than any other horse right now in the field. As a matter of fact,

One of the reasons I think he's such a solid favorite, in my estimation, is that the second best three-year-old in the country, I think, is the horse named Baeza, who right now is on the outside looking in. He's on the wait list. He's number 21, just like Rich Strike was three years ago. He's waiting on a sickness or an injury or something to be able to get into the field. And now he's got

About 24 hours for that to happen. We all have expected it all week long. We've expected Baeza to be able to get in the race. They shipped him all the way from California to Kentucky, thinking that someone would drop out and he would probably be able to get in. With all the veterinary scrutiny nowadays on these horses, it's a good thing. Typically, one or two of them wind up getting scratched.

We're sitting here on Thursday now, and there have been no additional scratches to get Baeza into the field. So it's looking less and less like he's going to be able to run, which

which makes journalism look more and more like a solid favorite. Yeah, yeah, Baeza, and I saw that Pratt is on the two horse, going to go to Baeza if Baeza gets in, which tells you something because Pratt's an incredible jockey, and if he's going to make that switch, he knows that's a legit shot. I have a question, though, about journalism. So I'm sitting here being like, I can't take a favorite, and this has happened many times at Kentucky Derby,

My only devil's advocate with journalism, and you can tell me if I'm way off. I was looking. I watched his last three races. Okay. He's only beaten... He's been in a five-horse field in the last three races. So he's beaten four other horses three times in a row. This is obviously 20 horses. Is there anything to be said for that that...

And he's gotten in a little bit of trouble a couple times where it's like, hey, it's easier to get out of trouble when there's only five horses in a race. Is there any – am I making any sense or I'm just going to end up betting something that has no chance and I should have taken journalism? Ordinarily, Dan, I think that would be a very legitimate argument, okay? But in journalism's last race in the Santa Anita Derby, he got into more trouble than

Almost certainly more trouble than he's going to get into in the Kentucky Derby. And he was still able to win anyway. It was only a five-force field, but Bob Baffert had two horses in the race. He had Citizen Bull, who was hooked on the front end and didn't run that well. And he had another horse named Barnes. And the riders were playing team tactics. And the jockey on Barnes, Juan Hernandez, targeted Barnes.

Journalism. Journalism had the big bullseye on his back. He was a heavy, heavy favorite, as he should have been. And it even got to the point going into the second turn of that race where Juan Hernandez on Barnes elbowed Umberto Rispoli on journalism. Brought the horse all the way over, tried to squeeze him against the rail, elbowed the other jockey. The stewards called him in.

And the steward voted two to one not to suspend him, but he very well could have got a suspension for that. And yet journalism was able to win the race anyway. So he's already overcome adversity, and that makes me feel a whole lot better about a big field. Okay. Battle tested. Yeah. I like that. Yeah. And beat Baeza in that race. Yes. So, I mean, you know, the second best horse in the Kentucky Derby, potentially, he has beaten him in his last race in the Santa Anita Derby. Yes. Yes.

Exactly. When I'm looking at this form...

I was looking at journalism exactly like I would look at Scotty Scheffler. And I was looking at Sandman like I would look at Will Zalatouris. Where it's like, I want to, I know that's the safe bet, but Sandman, he's a Metallica fan. He's got a lot of buzz around him. I'm going to end up betting on Sandman and losing and being like, oh, I should have bet on the safe bet with journalism. Does Sandman have a chance or am I falling victim to the Metallica hype train? I'll tell you what, my biggest concern about journalism

would actually benefit Sandman, okay? If the pace gets completely out of control, and we've seen that happen before in the Kentucky Derby. We saw it happen with Rich Strike in 2022. Then it favors horses that are actually 16th, 17th, 18th. I think Rich Strike was 20th at one point early in the Kentucky Derby.

That happens a lot at the Kentucky Derby. My biggest concern is that journalism, who's written by a jockey named Umberto Rispoli, who actually statistically has been better on grass than he is on dirt, might get himself, might be positioned too close to a fast pace. That's my biggest concern about journalism. If the pace is fast, he needs to be 10 lengths off the pace.

Now, if that happens, Sandman's going to be rolling from the back of the pack. Sovereignty is going to be rolling from the back of the pack. So will Burnham Square, horses like that. It's going to favor them, but

But otherwise, I think if he's ridden properly, I think journalism's clearly the worst debate. What horse favor benefits from rain? Because obviously it feels like it's been a Kentucky Derby tradition the last 10 years where it just feels like there's rain every year. There's going to be rain in the forecast. So if it's a sloppy track...

What do we think? Like, how does it change? And is there a certain horse that you'll be looking at being like, now we might get a good price because this horse is going to be better in the mud? You know, honestly, I would ignore the weather. I really would. Only because of this. Horses nowadays, when they run in the Kentucky Derby, are so inexperienced.

That none of them have really had any substantial experience running on that kind of a racetrack. So it's a crapshoot. You really don't know. And they're all such good horses that typically they'll be able to handle situations like that anyway. So that's one variable that I wouldn't be losing sleep over.

I like that. I like making it... These are the type of things that Randy Moss gives us that I would have sat there being like, ooh, how can I, again, outsmart everyone. Find an edge. Just forget about it. Forget about the weather. Speaking of finding an edge, if you're watching the workouts, I know the horses do workouts the week before and they train.

can you get an edge from watching them, how they, how they train? Can you be like, Oh, that horse looks good. That, that horse looks a little bit off compared to what I've seen before. Or are the trainers being very secretive and not trying to push the horses that much. And you can't really get an edge from that. The trainers are not being secretive. Everything is so out in the open here with all the media watching and all the works on TV and on YouTube and things like that.

that there's really no way to hide. The way you put that, that question is absolutely perfect. And by that, I mean, workouts are only important if you have a frame of reference for that particular horse. Some horses work great every time you send them to the racetrack. Some horses just don't give a crap and they don't work well

Anytime you send them to the racetrack and yet they run really good in the afternoons. Okay. That, that becomes just sort of part of the horse's personality, part of the horse's form. If you have a horse that normally works lights out and suddenly he's just working. So, so bad side. If you have a horse that normally works black bluster and suddenly he's breaking watches, boom, that's a really good side.

One of those kind of horses, the latter, is Sovereignty, trained by Bill Mott. Stretch runner, the dolphin, second in the Florida Derby. He's always been just a very average workhorse, and he's looked a lot better in the morning here at Churchill Downs than he has in the past. And he's going to be one of those horses running from the back of the pack. Okay. What's your favorite story about one of these horses in the Kentucky Derby? You always give us...

One or two of these horses were like, this is a cool story. I know American Pharaoh has a child in this horse, in this race from Japan. But do you have anything, any cool nuggets that we can sound smart when we go to our Kentucky Derby parties? Probably the coolest nugget is, and it's going to be a big storyline in the Derby, and it has been all spring long, is a horse named Cold Battle.

who is trained by Lonnie Briley. If you've never heard of Lonnie Briley, no one else who follows the sport of horse racing had really heard of Lonnie Briley either until a few months ago. He's a 72-year-old guy, calls himself a coon ass from Louisiana, never had a graded stakes horse of any kind before, much less a Kentucky Derby horse. And Lonnie's here with Full Battle, who's legitimately a decent person

three-year-old. He's going to be 20 to one, 25 to one. But I mean, here's a guy that's like been a media darling back here just because he's just, it's like a kid in a candy store. He's never been here before. It's actually very stressful for him. Bob Baffert has really taken a liking to him.

And Bob wanted to do a selfie with him. And Lonnie said, why do you want to do a selfie with old coot ass like me? And Bob said, I want to send it to my kids. And Lonnie was just, oh, he just couldn't believe it. And Bob was joking with his wife about how nice that old man Lonnie Briley was. And Jill, his wife, said, oh, man.

He said, you're as old as he is. And so Bob had to go to Wikipedia. And yeah, they were about the same age. Bob didn't like that. I love it. That's perfect. All right, so that's me. I think I'm going to have to root for and bet on Lonnie Briley's horse. Coach O of horses. Yeah, do we have a –

I know we ask this every year. At some point, a Japanese horse is going to win the Kentucky Derby, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So is it any chance this year? Probably just because this is the year that I'm getting off Japanese.

Two years ago, Dervis Odagaki, I think I told you, I thought he had a hell of a chance to win. Didn't get out of the gate. Wound up later in the year running second in the Breeders' Cup Classic. Last year, Forever Young. He's one of, if not the best dirt horses in the world right now. He probably should have won the Kentucky Derby last year. He got beat ahead in the nose and was interfered with the length of the stretch. This year, Luxor Cafe is the best of the two Japanese horses.

He doesn't look to be as good as Forever Young, at least in terms of the analytics, the final times and stuff like that. You go back and watch his last race in Japan, you can see it on YouTube. And it's like, whoa, boy, did that look good. But who did he run against? We don't really know.

So bottom line, I'm getting off the Japanese this year. So this will be the year they'll probably win. Okay. Noted. Our friend Mike Rapoli has a horse in this race as well. Does he have a chance to win? He's got a long shot chance to hit the board. Grande is the horse's name.

It looked like Todd Pletcher and Mike Rapoli weren't going to have anything in the Kentucky Derby this year. And then suddenly Grande steps up and runs second in the Wood Memorial. He was wide on both turns, especially the first turn. So you got to move him up a little bit. He got a pretty good number. He's going to be 20 to 1. I would definitely throw him into your trifectas and your superfectas. I don't think he can win necessarily.

But he's in with a chance at a big price. He should feed his horse body before the race. Be like, okay, we got to get your pH levels correct here. Put on some noble shoes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Dumb question for you, Randy. Let's say Secretariat, Prime Secretariat, best horse ever. We don't know if steroids were involved. We'll just say best horse ever. So Prime Secretariat up against this field.

But I'm on Secretariat. Do I have any chance? You're on Secretariat. I'm on Secretariat. All right. In the morning when you're in the bathroom and you pull out the scale and you step on it, what does the scale say? It's anywhere from like 235, 40, 45-ish. No shot. Somewhere around there. No shot. No shot, big cat. No shot. I'm sorry to tell you that. Would I finish dead last? Probably. Probably.

But they would go back in 30 years and review the tape and be like, no, he actually finished in second place. Not dead last. Even if you were an accomplished equestrian.

No, at that weight, riding Secretariat, no, he'd be up the track. All right, so what weight would I have to get to for me to win on Secretariat? And again, in this hypothetical, I am the best jockey. I have a perfect trip with Secretariat. In this field? Yeah. Get down to about between 135 and 140.

- Ugh. - That's, come on. - Spider could win on Secretariat. - He actually could, yeah. Do horses ever, has there ever been a time that you've seen a jockey get on a horse and the horse is just like, "This guy's way too big."

I don't get paid enough for this. Horses have probably felt that way. We probably have. Unfortunately, they don't know how to communicate that. Weight is a little overrated in horse racing, just a little bit, just because the horses themselves weigh anywhere from 1,000 to 1,200 pounds. Wait till you see Citizen Bull. He looks like a Clydesdale. This sucker did

They didn't name him Bull because of that. They named him after the Citizen Bullhead watch that I think was made famous by Brad Pitt in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I think was the movie. So that's how they got the name Citizen Bull. But this horse looks like a bull. But my point being that when horses are that big and that stout, you know, two or three, four extra pounds on their back doesn't really make all that much of a difference. But

When you're talking about 235 pounds, yeah, maybe not. That makes sense. There was a debate that took over the Internet this week. You might have seen it. It's could 100 men defeat a silverback gorilla? And everyone was saying, no, they can't. That's the gorilla is too powerful. I personally think that they could. Could 100 men beat up the Kentucky Derby winning horse?

Oh, yes. Horses are not nearly as robust and as a silverback gorilla. Horses are pretty fragile. And I agree with you. I got that question the other day on an interview. It depends on who the 100 men are.

Right? Yeah. 100 jockeys? Probably not. You know, the right 100 men who are just crazy enough, I think they could probably also, I think they'd probably also handle a silverback grill. I would agree with that. Yep. What about 100 jockeys versus, what about 100 Randy Mosses versus...

thousand jockeys ten to one I think the jockeys would still would still take me a thousand to a hundred yeah yeah how many horse racing Randy Moss's would it take to beat up one football player Randy bosses mm-hmm how about well see I'm not much of a I'm not much of a fighter how about 15

I'll take that. I'll take 15 Randy Mosses versus one Randy Moss. All right, let's talk real quick about Friday. So everyone can see Randy Moss. He'll be on all the coverage, NBC, Peacock. He's going to be wall-to-wall. It's a great racing weekend. I think a lot of people think it's just Kentucky Derby. There's some awesome races, especially the Oaks on Friday. So do you have a pick for us Friday? Or you could go Saturday in the undercard if you have a different pick that we should be looking at.

I got a few of them here to give you. First of all, in the Kentucky Oaks, the big favorite is Good Cheer. I think she's undefeated. She's 6-for-6. She's 6-to-5 in the program line. I think she's worth taking a shot against just because her numbers are not all that great.

There's a horse in there named Quiet Side that I think would be worth a play despite her number 14 post position. So it'd be 14 Quiet Side. There's another horse in there by the name of Ballerina Doro who breaks from post number six. And then the number two in there is a horse called Simply Joking. So I think if you were to just to box, right, box Quiet Side and Simply Joking and Ballerina Doro and try to beat Good Cheer,

like in an X-Acto box or something, you might be able to get a pretty nice payoff there. And then earlier on the card, there's a race called the La Troye Anne. You may have heard of Torpedo Anna. She won the Kentucky Oaks last year. She was named Horse of the Year last year. She hasn't lost since then. She's two for two this year at Oaklawn Park in Hot Springs. She's going to be a big favorite. Again, I think she is a heavy favorite that might be worth a bet against.

Chad Brown has a couple of horses in that race. One of them is named Randomized and the other is named Raging Sea. Honestly, I would play a trifecta and put Torpedo and a third. That's almost heresy in horse racing. But I would use Randomized, who's got a wire-to-wire possibility there, and then Raging Sea on top of Torpedo and really try to swing for the fences in that one as well. Okay. I've got all these. I'm going to bet all of them. That's Friday. Okay.

All right, you want me to bounce through Saturday real quick? I got a couple for you. Yes, please. In the fourth race in the Knicks go, there's a horse called Castle Chaos.

I think he's the four horse. You might want to double check that, but his name's Castle Chaos. He's 20 to one in the program. He hasn't won a race since 2023. And I'm telling you, he's got a hell of a chance to win the next go at a, I'm not expecting him to be 20 to one. I'm expecting more like 10 to one, 12 to one, but still, I mean, I think Castle Chaos has a big shot. And then in the Pat Day mile, that's the sixth race.

There's a horse that's six to one on the program called gate to wire. That's not the way he runs. He'll be back in the pack a little bit, but the pace looks pretty fast. Uh, Todd Pletcher's the trainer. Uh,

And I think gate to wire in the pad day miles is going to be a pretty good play as well. Okay. I'm on it. I like it. What about in the derby? Is there, is there a horse that if it puts it all together, if it runs its best race, maybe that the crazy horse that we always talk about, the one that has all the talent, but has not found a way to harness it correctly, maybe a little mentally, you know, a little goofy. Uh, is there a horse like that, a wild card that we might want to take a shot on as a, as a, a long shot? Uh, yeah,

Now, this is a huge long shot, and I don't think he can necessarily win, but you can put him into your supers and your tries and maybe really try to kill the world. His name is Final Gambit. He's trained by Brad Cox. He's probably going to be 40-something to one, maybe 50 to one. He won the Jeff Ruby stakes on synthetic. He's never run on dirt before.

But since he's never run on dirt before, what we don't know is maybe he's even better on dirt. We don't know. He's training really well on dirt at Churchill Downs. Brad Cox has been really surprised how well he's trained. He'll be last early, probably. He'll be way back there. But if the pace is fast, he'll be running. And he may be able to, you know, pass some tired horses and get up for third or fourth at 50 to 1. You never know.

Okay. All right. Yeah. I mean, you've convinced me on journalism and it's basically for everyone who's listening now is to try to find a way, especially if journalism goes off at two to one, is to find a way to make money with some of the exotics and some, you know, who's going to be under journalism. All right. So journalism, sovereignty, journalism, sovereignty, and then underneath that in the third and fourth spots, the

Then you got Sandman. Then you got Burnham Square. Then you've got the Japanese horse Luxor Cafe. Right. Then you've got this horse final gambit. Uh, so yeah, you can spread on the third in the third and fourth spots and, uh, and maybe get a really nice payoff. Yeah. Okay. Um, all right. Well, Randy, I have one last question for you. It's the row back question. R H O B A C K.com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts, rowback.com promo code take, uh,

Randy, what is, who's your favorite horse ever? We've never heard of him. Oh, well, tell us why. I just want to know, like part of why I love you, Randy, is because I'm a big believer. If you can find anyone who's passionate about anything, I'm interested. So your passion for horse racing makes me interested. So tell us, even though we never heard of him, why you love this horse, because that will be interesting in its own right. When I was a kid,

I'm talking, I was 12 years old at the time. I had just started handicapping for a newspaper in Little Rock under somebody's name when I was 12 years old. They didn't want anyone to know a 12-year-old was dispensing financial advice. There was a horse running in Arkansas that actually wound up coming to Churchill Downs and setting a six-furlong track record that held for about 25 years. He was a white horse.

Not officially white. He was gray, but he was almost white. It was unbelievably popular in Arkansas where I grew up. His name was Barbizon Streak. He even had a great name. He was an Arkansas bred horse who loved to win. After he retired, I went to see him at the farm in Arkansas and would feed him carrots from time to time. I got pictures of him on my office wall. Yeah, Barbizon Streak.

Oh, that's pretty incredible. I love it. But wait, I want to hear more about how you got a job handicapping horses at the age of 12. Well, I was through a friend of a friend. I met the guy who actually was doing the picks for a long time for a newspaper in Arkansas called the Arkansas Gazette.

It was the oldest newspaper west of the Mississippi, believe it or not. And it was a chore to type all the stuff in and make the comments on all the horses and all that. So he paid me $20 a week through a friend of a friend, even though I didn't know how to type, on an old manual typewriter to do all the entries for him every day. And I did speed figures back then. I was a pretty sharp handicapper, even as a 12-year-old. I was a numbers kid. And I noticed that he was not a very good handicapper.

And so I started changing some of his picks very judiciously, very, you know, and I would tell him, I said, hey, Don, that was cocky, you know, cocky ass 12 year old kid. Who do I think I am? You know, I changed this pick. I think this horse is going to win. And like the first five or six I changed wound up winning. And so he told me, he said, all right, kid, he said, why don't you make all the picks from now on?

And they had a competition in the press box among all of the newspaper handicappers, $1,000 at the beginning of the meet. At the end of the meet, whoever picked the most winners, winner took all. He never won. He always got his $1,000 taken away. That year, he won his $1,000. And so I kept doing it until I took it over myself in my own name when I was in college. That's incredible. That's a great story. Did he give you a taste of the $1,000 when he won? No. No.

What? He bought me up to $30 a week. Okay. All right. That's incredible. And off bit, what Big Cat said, what's the biggest hit that you've ever had on a horse?

You really want to know? Yeah. Yeah. In the early 90s, one of my best friends who was an attorney, worked with Hillary Clinton, actually, at a law firm in Little Rock, an insane gambler, a guy by the name of Dave Thomas. He and I went into a partnership playing the pick six, which was really huge back then. At one point, we had the highest payoffs ever recorded in the state of Louisiana and the state of Oklahoma.

Simultaneously, we had a $500,000 pick six at Louisiana Downs and almost a $400,000 pick six at Remington Park in Oklahoma and some other slightly smaller pick sixes as well. Yeah, that was a pretty good day. That was back in the day when the pick six was just really hellacious to play. Holy shit. What was the price of those tickets? The first one was $15,000.

Okay. And the second one in Oklahoma, we actually played two tickets. One of them was like about a $5,000 or $6,000 ticket, but the one we hit it on was like a $27 ticket. No way. Oh, my God.

Holy shit. What did you do to celebrate? We took everybody in the press box out to dinner. Holy shit. So you had, how many horses did you use? Like 10 total? That's insane. Something like that. We had a couple of long shots that we liked, that we thought had a chance, that we didn't put on the main ticket. And so we played the ancillary ticket and singled those two long shots, and they both wound up winning.

And then the rest of them were, you know, logical top two kind of picks. So, yeah. That's insane. That's great. That's an incredible ticket. Because you always, whenever someone hits a pick six, I always wonder because, you know, there's always the one guy who has like a $100,000 pick six where he used all on every single race. Yeah. And you're like, all right, $27 ticket on a pick six. It's $400,000. Jeez. All right, Randy, you're the best. We can't wait to see you on Kentucky Derby Saturday, on Friday for the Oaks.

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And now, here's Joakim Noah. And now for something completely different. Okay, we now welcome on a very, very, very special guest, recurring guest. It is the legend Joakim Noah in studio. Joe, we got to start with congratulations, Florida's back. Florida is fucking back, guys. It feels great. Where'd you watch the game? I was in Casablanca in Morocco. Okay. And?

I felt like I was really missing out. I wanted to be at the game, but I've been working with this NBA Africa League, and we finally brought it to Morocco. It was so dope. So on the championship night, I went to the mosque. I fucking prayed. I prayed my ass off. I'm not Muslim, but it helped. I don't know what happened, but there was something about praying in that mosque for the Gator Boys, and

That run that they went on, man, that was a hell of a run they went on. Yeah. It's got to feel like, because obviously when you were there, you guys won back-to-back national titles, and then it kind of fell off for a little bit, so it's got to feel weirdly like, hey, we're back, and all the stuff we built, now you can look back and be like, yeah, there's legacy here, there's history here, let's go on another run. Yeah. I mean, not just for basketball, football, football,

Title school, man. But there's nothing like coming back with that trophy. You come back to school. I can't imagine how those young people was feeling coming back to school and just enjoying those last couple weeks. Yeah. Holy shit. How long did the party last when you guys came back from your national titles? The good part about our shit was there was no social media. Mm-hmm.

So we could really kind of let our nuts hang. Yeah. You know? Yeah, it's a good way to put it. It's just, it's more, it's corporate now, you know? These kids are getting paid. It's a different thing.

But, I mean, from looking at the videos, it looked wild as shit. Yeah. So when you were there, everybody was winning when you were at Florida. Did the basketball team respect the football team's titles? Did the football team respect the basketball team? Or was there like a rivalry between you guys? Nah. And, you know, that's a great question because a lot of these campuses have like these kind of internal tensions between the sports. Yeah.

We didn't have that. We had a guy by the name of Chris Richard who ended up playing. He was playing with us on the Bulls for a couple years. And he was our backup center. But somebody who was really cool with the football guys. And we ended up just, you know, we were living in the same dorms. Right. So we were all really tight and supporting each other. We had a good vibe between each other. So if you had to say, gun to your head, is Florida a football school or a basketball school? It's very important.

Have to pick. You have to pick one. You have to pick? Have to pick. Have to pick. It's a football school. Yeah. Yeah. It's a football school, but it's okay. It's okay. You know, football brings in the money, but at the end of the day, a chip is a chip. Like, you come back and you go to Grog House and you go to the bar, you're not talking about, is this a football school or a basketball school? Like, this is...

- The chicks are coming. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's all that matters, right? Like what else matters? - How are you feeling physically? You turned 40. Congrats on turning 40. We also turned 40, all 85s. - I think we all look great. - Yeah, we all look like we can still play. - Same age as LeBron. - Do you feel good though? I mean like, or can you, are there days where you wake up and you're like, oh yeah, I did play in the NBA for a really long time? - Like I'm not, you know, monkey dunking all over the place. That's for sure.

But, you know, body feels pretty good, you know, eight surgeries later. What list them all? You know, three knees, an Achilles, two shoulders, both my thumbs. I mean... Damn. Planet of Fisheye, the whole thing. Yeah. You know. Do you... When you're watching the league today, are you... Like, when Ja does his, you know, grenade launcher, his Uzi, you're like, well, I started that. You know, I'm...

You would have gotten fined. I'm so happy you said that because if it would have came from me and said that I was the first one shooting guns, nobody believes me. You were shooting guns when you shot a jumper. I was like, yeah, I didn't just play defense. I had a little 15-footer. But my guns, I had PE guns. They were little pistols. Yeah, they were little pistols. It was sweet. It wasn't grenades and snipers and all this shit that's going on.

And you put them away on your own volition. You didn't have to be told by the NBA to put them away. Yeah, I put them away because Chicago's a wild place. But you know what? When the games got hot, when the –

I was shooting my guns. Yeah. And if you do it like the cartoon style, that's fine. Yeah, that's kind of what it was. And Ja, obviously, he's had some issues with the real thing. So him doing the handgun, it's like, okay, maybe don't do that. But then he went over the top and now he's doing grenades, which now I'm back on the, yeah, let Ja throw grenades. Yeah. He should be allowed to do that.

You know, when you win ball games, it cures everything. Yeah. It's true. So, unfortunately, they have a lot of soul searching to do over there in Memphis. And, you know, their fan base is awesome. They, you know, they really have a brand of basketball, you know, that grit and grind that...

Z-Bo and T and Tony Allen like put together that you know the fans love that because it represents them so well so you know we want we want to see John and JJ and all those guys like really represent that

So it'll be interesting to see what happens because they need to really step it up and have a big summer. Yeah. After the season's over, do you take like a cleanse from basketball when you were playing? Would you say, okay, I'm not going to practice, not going to play, Cancun on three? Or was it like did you struggle to separate from the game?

I was definitely not a Cancun on three. I mean, I was going to Cancun after a while, but that first week after losing in the playoff was, for me, it was really dark. Like, I had a bottle of whiskey by the bed. Because you cared. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a little too much. I mean, I guess that's just the way it is. You know, when you're playing in the NBA, it's so many games. You have to be level-headed.

And I was not that. It was like if we were winning, I was too crunk. And if we lost, it was like I couldn't sleep for days. Right. So I have two questions about the playoffs. We saw the Heat Magic game. So we're going to run this Friday. We saw the Heat Magic game on Monday night. Sorry, the Heat Cavs. Cavs killed them. Heat looked like they were ready to go home, like PFT is saying, Cancun on three.

The Bulls haven't won a home playoff game since the, I think it was 2015 series against the Cavs, which I was at that whole series. The D-Rose buzzer beater, then LeBron went back. Then game six, it did feel, not that the Bulls quit, but it was like this kind of feels like the end. Could you feel that in that game? Because that was when change started happening. Tibbs got fired. Everything kind of changed. Could you feel it in that game, going into that game? Yeah.

yeah, this might be... We're starting to lose a little bit of the pull on the rope. Because you see teams have that. I mean, you know, it's... You realize now that it's over with, you realize how fragile keeping a whole thing together is. Right. And that game is a game that I try not to remember too much. It sucked. You know, you want to come prepared. It's at home. You're...

Big game six against LeBron. This guy kicked our ass for the last three years or three times we played him. And we had a real shot at it. And unfortunately, we just stunk it up in game six. Yeah, that was a wild series. Wild series. And then the other question I had was because, you know, the Rockets. So, like I said, we're going to run this Friday, so we don't know how the Rockets Warriors next games go. But I always am of the belief that

Even if you are a great team in the regular season, if you're a young team in the playoffs, you have to go through the wars to kind of get to the next rounds. You went through that where like going through the wars. What is it about a young team where it's so different in the playoffs? Because it's happened in all NBA history. Like no first team just goes on a run. So what is that about like a young team and the difference in playoff basketball? Yeah, it's your first time feeling it. Yeah. You know, experience is – it's real. Yeah.

And you gotta give a shout out to, those games are just awesome to watch. - Wars. - This is a fucking war going on outside. Nobody is fucking safe. And I'm watching this shit, goosebumps. My first three years out the league, I couldn't even watch basketball. - Really? - Yeah, it was, yeah, it took me a while to process what happened.

And, you know, it's like, you're still looking at the game. Like, yo, I used to, I used to fuck this dude up and he's still in there. So it just, it just takes a little while to, to process. Okay. It's over with, you know, just watch the game as a fan. Right. And not as a competitor. And, um, I love watching that series, that Houston, uh,

Golden State series, because those guys are big as fuck, strong. Houston got a lot of tough guys. I love watching Amen Thompson, but what Draymond is doing single-handedly, saying, okay, all you motherfuckers over here, all you tough guys over here, I want all the smoke. And now he got Jimmy as well. What Jimmy's doing, when he fell on his back, I was like, how the fuck is this guy going to come back?

And what he's doing over there, you got to give big credit to Jim because I think this is probably his best shot at winning a championship. Yeah, and it does feel like Jimmy – like even you saw it on Monday night when like Jimmy's kind of getting – talking shit to Dylan Brooks and getting in his head and like Dylan Brooks is a player who –

You can get him to do something stupid. He fouled at the end of the game that basically was the difference in the game. Are those the little things that a young team, they just don't know how to deal with those pressure moments, guys jawing at them, getting under their skin? Because it is fun to watch this old team, the Warriors, that are not the peak Warriors even close, going against this new team, and the Warriors have kind of the tricks. All right, so Golden State, game on the line.

The world knows who's getting the ball with the game on the line. Houston, game on the line, who's getting the ball? Yeah. I don't know. Jalen didn't want it last night.

Okay. He just wasn't shooting. Okay. So Jalen wasn't shooting up and down all year. Van Vliet? Fred? Fred. Okay. So you're the coach. You're giving the ball to Fred. I think I'd give it to Fred. Okay. Or I might just give it to Dylan Brooks and just be like, this is going to be funny. You said three different guys. You can't do that. You can only give it to one. That's the problem. The real answer would probably be Fred.

Probably. But it is kind of like, because we mock that, like there's only one ball, but sometimes the NBA is that easy where it's like if you don't have the guy at the end of the game, you're in trouble. You're in big trouble. And you got to know. Look, game on the line, last possession. It's not like the regular season where six guys are listening.

In that timeout, the whole bench, everybody who's in that organization is listening to who the coach is giving the ball to. You know what I mean? Right. They gave it to Shang-Goon. Draymond got a big stop.

That's what it's all about. Yeah. You know? Yeah. We said about Draymond's interest. I want to talk about it a little bit more because when we watch Draymond play, he's fun to watch. He's entertaining. He's just all energy. Sometimes he goes over that line. But I also think that he's a very, very smart guy. I think in terms of his basketball IQ especially, he's super smart. And I think his teammates love him. Obviously, you can win –

big games you can win championships with a guy like Draymond, even though he does appear to lose control sometimes. But when you're watching him, what is it about Draymond that you think makes him so special as a basketball player, as opposed to other guys like maybe a Dylan Brooks that might cross some lines, but at the end of the day doesn't necessarily help their team win? Well, Draymond got four championships, so he's a starting championship center or

whatever position he plays. But, you know, people always make fun about his stats, but this is so much more than stats. You got Steven Adams and Shangoon. They're two 300 pound guys. This guy's six, six, two 50 fucking like bring it.

Okay, so find me five of those who are ready to go into that battle. So honestly, what Draymond brings to the team is so much more than just what you see on a stat line. It's so much more than just the surface. He's the one who's bringing the energy and making sure that everybody's ready to go. Steph can be Steph. Nobody's fucking Steph up because Draymond is going to be right there fucking...

you know, putting you in a chokehold if you even try. Yeah. So yeah, so sometimes he goes over the line, but you know what? As a team, that gives you confidence knowing that you have a guy who's willing to do anything and that's what, and Golden State has his back and they've showed it over and over. Every time he stepped over the line, they got his back. It says a lot about the organization. We got our guy over there, the GM,

um dun dun levy another crazy irish guy that i got to be in some some battles with um and he was just like yo there's no question like we got to get when everybody was questioning jimmy's character and stuff i mean it just fit like a glove right as soon as he got there and i think it's just like it's a it's a great fit for him just to be in a situation right now where

You got to respect what Steph's done. You got to respect who Draymond is. And now he can come in and just be himself where it's not just him being the alpha. It's about me.

no, no, no, no, no, this is about winning a championship, this is about his teammates. And you can tell just the way he talks about his guy. He's been there for, what, three months? And you feel like he's been there for five years. Yeah, it's got to be great for him too because at the end of his time in Miami, he's undoubtedly one of the best players. He's earned the respect of any team that might have him as a player. And it seemed like Miami was still treating him the same way that they would a rookie or a young player.

And then he goes to Golden State, and I think Steve Kerr's rules were just be you. Show up on time for practice. Show up on time for games. And besides that, like, I'm going to let you do whatever it is you need to do to get ready for that. Are there some organizations that you've found to be, like, is it a better idea generally to treat your veterans with, you know, a different set of rules where if you can trust them? Or have there been times, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's like teams that do it my way or the highway. Maybe that, in your experience, has been better. Yeah.

I think it depends on the coach. It depends on the coach. But, you know, vets have played in big games and you can trust them more. You know, you're seeing it in the Houston Golden State Series. You know, if Steph needs a day off from practice...

You give him a day off from practice and that's just... Yeah. And everybody shut the fuck up. Yeah. You don't take away his cookies on the plane. Yeah. But... Did you see that story about LeBron and his cookies? No. Tell me about it. Well, apparently when they were flying, when he was on the heat, they came up, he would bring a bag of cookies onto the plane every time. He liked to eat chocolate chip cookies. And they came and they took his bag of cookies away because Pat Riley, they were watching his weight and they're like, you can't have these cookies.

That's a great barstool story right now. This is a great barstool story. It's a true story. And LeBron was like, what the fuck? They're taking my cookies. At that moment, Dwayne Wade said that he knew that their time was coming to an end. Yeah. That's the reason, aren't they? It's the cookies. Took the cookies on the plane. Yeah, fuck that. Oh my God, that's a great story. I got a question. So obviously your dad, a French legend, uh,

What the hell's going on in France with basketball? How the hell are they just creating all these mutants? It's happening in WNBA too. That's right. What's going on?

great development system out there. Do you think it's better than the U.S.? Like, do you think that the U.S. is actually... Because I know there's a real discussion, like AAU culture, all that. Do you think that some of these European countries are starting to get a leg up because of their developmental leagues? Big Cat, you're asking all the right questions. All the right questions. All the right questions. And you know what? I think it's time to start asking those questions. Yeah. Because you can tell...

People around the world, they're leveling up right now. And I grew up playing in France till I was 12 and then I moved to New York City. So I played in two grassroots systems. The French grassroots system is interesting because the pro teams have...

10-year-old teams, 12-year-old teams, 14-year-old teams, 16-year-old teams. And then on Saturday, you can go see the pros play. So every single time you play a game, the next level is playing right after you. So you get to see what it takes to play at the next level. And if you're good enough, the 10-year-old might play on the 12. You play up. You play up. And another thing that they do really well is they coach it as a team sport.

It's not the superstar thing. Right. And if you have a shot to be an NBA prospect, well, you have like the top French general managers coming to your house and coming to talk to the parents about what the expectations are. So they're ready now.

And when we when we first got to the league, there was two or three French players playing in that sit. And what Tony Parker did was was huge because it allowed the kids to be inspired and dream and

And now we got Wemba and Yama. Yeah. So what's the fix in the U.S.? Like I saw there was a clip that went viral the other day that was like might have been like Lithuania or something. And it was 12 year olds playing and they were moving the ball like it was like the 2016 Warriors. Like they were all no one stopped moving. They were all cutting. They were just like passing the ball at the top and cutting and cutting. And then they get a, you know, a layup. What is it in America that has to change to get back to that style of basketball?

Well, we're definitely in a transition period where something different's going on where these kids are getting paid a lot of money. So players have a lot of power right now. You have a 16-year-old kid who's making $3, $4 million. What the fuck is a coach going to say? Right. And I'm not hating on kids getting paid because you know what? This is what it is. At the end of the day, you can't be playing on national TV all

with billions of dollars on the line, with television revenues going crazy, and the kids don't get shit. So, okay, I think that the marketing is a good step. But this is a business. It's a big business. And we were getting bamboozled the whole time, so now at least kids are getting paid, and they deserve it. That being said, for the development of the game,

There needs to be a change right yeah, cuz it is I mean and when you think about it like would you when you were at Florida if you were making Say two million dollars would you have would you have been as open to coaching as maybe you were at the time? Like would you think your attitude would have been a little different?

If I had $2 million in the bank? Yeah. At Florida. Everybody's attitude changes when they got $2 million. Right. It's human nature. It's not like an accusatory thing to the kids because it's just like if you have money, it just changes your perspective. Look, to be a champion, to be called champ, you have to sacrifice. It's not all about you.

And I think that we understood that as a team in college. And we loved playing with each other so much that we ended up coming back to school. And it's something that I'm really, there was no money involved. And I say that with, that's the truth. There was no money, it was legit money.

One through five, I think I averaged 13 points. Al averaged like 13.2. Lee Humphrey averaged 12.7. We were all averaging the same amount of points. He takes one thing away. All right, he's the hot man. He's getting the rock. And it was just second nature for us to be able to play ball the right way. And you realize after playing in the NBA for 14 years, that's rare where you have that kind of

You know, we were always talking about stats and this, but like nobody ever talks about chemistry on the court. I think that's a really interesting thing. What, when you guys decided to come back, who started it? Who was the first person who was like, hey, should we just do this? Should we come back? And was there ever a point where you thought maybe like Al or anyone else was like kind of leaning towards leaving?

I mean, if Horphy left, I would have definitely left. So he was kind of the linchpin in that? I wouldn't say Horphy. I would say Corey. Yeah. Corey, you know, I think that Al was in a situation where he didn't have to worry too much about his family. You know, his dad was an NBA player. Torian, same thing. Dad was an NBA player.

For me, you know, it was, money was not an issue. You know, I didn't have to worry about, you know, making sure mom had food in the fridge. Right. For Corey, it was a little bit different. When he was like, okay, when I went to Corey's hometown and I saw where he was from,

And for him to say, we're coming back to school, like I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it because he's the one who had the real decision to make. If he would have left, we would all left. Right. You know, that's how fragile this thing is. And-

Coach Donovan is just so good at just getting us hype. He knew what he was doing. So he got us in the locker room and he was just like, guys, let's fucking do this shit again. And it was the same week that we had won the championship. And honestly, it's something that I would never tell a kid to do what we did. Right.

because kids come up they they ask me like oh i think i want to come back to school they have these allegiances to these schools and but that being said i'm really proud that we did that yeah it's a very cool it probably will never happen again that way you know what i mean like you obviously had uconn went back to back but like they changed their team what you guys did will especially in today's college with the transfer portal everything will never happen again for

For sure. It's pretty cool. Do you know the French-Canadian guy that's on Florida now? The freshman, Olivier Roux? The big fella? The big fella. 7'9". Have you met him? I haven't met him. I would love to see him play one-on-one against you. I would love that, too. Yeah, that would be dope. No, it wouldn't be very fun. You got to get him here. That dude, whenever I would see him out there cutting the nets down, they'd bring him out to cut the nets, and he would just stand underneath the basket. Yeah.

And you cut it down, I'd be like, why the fuck isn't this guy playing? Can you imagine him at the bar, like, handing out shots? No. Classic. No. You can't get away with shit. Yeah. Who, since you started watching again, it's fascinating that it took you three years. Like, you just didn't watch any ball? I couldn't do it, man. That's crazy. Couldn't do it. It was...

Like if it was on TV, you'd turn the channel? Yeah. I didn't feel comfortable. Yeah. It's a weird thing. Competition is a strange thing. I had to just completely change my mindset when I was done playing where, okay, everything that I thought that I was –

Like I had to change my whole, my whole mindset. Right. Cause you're not joking. No, you're not a player. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to play. You're not playing in front of 20,000 people anymore. Like the gladiator shit is over with.

And now it's about trying to talk to the next generation and hopefully you can inspire them through your experience to be able to be the best players that they can be. So like in those three years, were you, because a lot of, obviously a lot of athletes talk about this, you know, when they retire, it's really hard to kind of figure out what the next step is. Was there, were there times where you were depressed and like down to a point where it's like, shit, I don't really know what direction I'm going in.

- Depression, I wouldn't say depression. My life was pretty awesome. You know, it's actually the best sleep I've ever had. My anxiety just went down 10 notches. I sleep a lot better.

But yeah, as soon as I started watching the game, like those feelings would come back and, you know, they weren't always good thoughts. They were negative. So I didn't like the way it made me feel watching basketball. So when I started watching basketball as a fan and now I could look at Amen Thompson and be like, damn, like,

"I like this guy." Or people talk about, "Oh, there's no defense yet." Watch that guy play basketball. They're there. It's just, let's stop generalizing and also realize that there was a narrative around the league this year that this shit got so soft

But that wasn't coming from the players. That was coming from up top because they wanted more scoring. Right. So as soon as that narrative started getting louder and louder, something changed. Because these playoffs right now are fucking fun to watch. They're so much fun. They're fun to watch. Since you started watching again, who's your favorite young player to watch? I love the Thompson twins. You love the Thompsons? The Thompson twins are just...

I love watching the dog. I love watching dogs. What about Ant? Ant is doing his thing. He's a dog. You had to like when he was pushing LeBron. When he was pushing LeBron. I'm like, what is this, football? But I just thought that, you know, it's like people don't realize, like, yo, LeBron's 270 pounds. Right. Like, Anthony's 210 max weight.

you know you got 60 pounds on it that's that's a lot of weight yeah and it's just it was just dope to watch just that kind of competition like i'm gonna take your little ass in the post like that competition that level of even rudy like hitting me in the back of the head i'm like yo you know people don't like the competition piece the ugly piece of the competition

I think that's what we love as fans. It's like you love watching that. You know what? This isn't always pretty. Like, oh, we love each other. We're brothers. We're hugging. Like, I hated that shit. Yeah. But now I'm seeing this like, yo, you're trying to get what I want.

and nothing's gonna get in the way of that. And we're getting back to that kind of basketball and it's really fun to watch. - Yeah, and it's really good for the league too. - It's really good for the league. - Because fans wanna see the players that care about the game as much as they care about rooting for their team. 'Cause if there's a disconnect there, then fans start to be like, well, why am I invested so much in it? But yeah, when you see your guy like shoving LeBron, you're like, fuck yeah, this is awesome. - And that's why Joe's-- - Tell him, kill it, tell him again. - That's why Joe is always like-- - We love hate.

You cared as much if there were more. You know what I mean? You can't say that for everyone. Appreciate that. Are you shocked that LeBron's still doing it? It's really impressive. Yeah. He's our age. It took a couple years. Yeah. It took a couple years because years of losses against him definitely took a toll. But just to be able to look at it and be like, yo, this guy is 40 years old.

Playing at this level, competing the way that he's competing, because he's competing on both ends of the court. It's really... I got no words, but I'm watching. Do you like watching Joker play? Favorite player. Yeah? Favorite player. He just does something every night that you're like, I don't know how he did all those pivots and threw it over his head and the shot happened to go in. And he's got eyes in the back of his head.

He's just, he's so fun to watch. You've never seen a guy like him before. I mean, this guy's getting buckets, pass first guy. I mean, you can just tell. It's like he gets the ball in his hands. Like everybody's cutting. Everybody knows that they can get the ball. It's not, it's a different kind of superstar with him because everybody's involved. Yeah. And he's coaching. You can't say that. You can't say that about most superstars in the NBA because the mentality in America is like,

I'm the superstar. I'm going to get the ball. It's showtime. His mentality is not I'm getting the ball. It's showtime. It's cuts. It's handoffs. He's playing in a system, and he just happens to be the quarterback. Yeah, and he's calling substitutions too. He's coaching the team. Oh, he's doing it all. It's incredible. I saw a crazy story. I think it was maybe Jamal Murray where it was –

Like Jokic like had to – Jamal Murray was open and he was like yelling for the ball and Jokic had to tell him afterwards like stop yelling for the ball. I know when you're open. Like I see everything. Like when you yell, they're going to go to you. It's like I know – just don't say anything. I can see everyone on the court and that's just how he plays. Yeah, not a lot of people can say that and your teammates are going to be like, okay –

okay, you're right. Yeah. You know, but he's one of those guys, like I'm sure he says that. Nobody says a word because they know he's right. They know he's always right. What about in the East? Who do you like in the East? Because we've, obviously we've got some Celtics fans around here. Yeah. So we've been focused mostly on the Celtics, but some of the Celtics fans don't really respect the Cavaliers that much. What else do you see besides the, besides Boston out of the East? Well,

Boston is definitely the heavy favorite. Until somebody beats Boston, they're the team to beat. But do not disrespect the Cleveland Cavaliers because they're ready to rock and roll. And if you think this is going to be an easy sweep, no, no, no. Don't get it twisted. You're in for a real battle. That's happening. Yeah. That's happening. I mean...

Look, if I had to put money on it, you know, Cavs Boston. Have you been back to Cleveland since you retired? I have not. Do you think you'll ever be in Cleveland, Ohio again in your life? Great question. You know, I haven't thought about it too much.

It could be interesting. Yeah. Maybe going to a – checking out a tourist board over there and seeing all the fun things they do in Cleveland. It would be funny if Cleveland hired you to do a tourism video for them. Maybe if I went with you guys, maybe people would give me a little more slack. But it's crazy. It's literally – the younger kids who didn't get to see me play in my prime –

they're still really pissed about that. People know me as the anti-Cleveland guy. The guy who shit on Cleveland. The guy who shit on Cleveland. Uh,

It's crazy that that happened over ten years ago and people still talk to me about this clean I mean you weren't like I actually think Cleveland's a very nice city like we've spent some time there But like you weren't wrong in the fact that I don't think a lot of people say I'm going to Cleveland for vacation That isn't a sentence that says is said a lot hit hit. Yeah, it hit. Yeah, that was you got put in Bay there, right? Yeah, in Cleveland outside. Yeah, you've got the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and

Yeah. You might go there one day. I've been there. What'd you think? Okay. Okay. I mean, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

I'd rather go to Beale Street and go check out the music scene over there, to be honest. Yeah. That's a great quote card we'll have. Joe Kim Noah's Rock and Roll Hall of Fame review. Okay. Three stars? Okay. Yeah. I mean, it was a long time ago. It didn't mark...

I wasn't super impressed. Yeah. Can you tell me a time – because we all know Tibbs is a great coach. He's still obviously coaching with the Knicks. And they've been up and down, but it feels like they're going to beat the Pistons and we'll see what happens in the next round.

Was there a time you can remember where Tibbs did something coaching, whether it be like a play or a look or like this is how you defend a guy where he's like, this guy just knows what's going to happen before it happens? Like, did he have you prepared for a situation where you're like, how the hell did he have this so dialed in? I don't think it was a specific moment in the game because Tibbs' whole thing was preparation. And when you're with him,

by year four, year five, you're like, holy shit, this shoot around, it's two hours long, Tibbs. Get us off our feet. Let's go home. Let's get some rest and go play the game. But there's something about being in these battles and feeling prepared that is, you know, nothing feels better than being ready and being prepared. Tibbs, as crazy as Tibbs is,

We were prepared. Yeah. Oh, I forgot. We got to ask you this because we had this debate on the show. What was your pregame meal before your nap? Because I assume a lot of guys, they do a very similar where they eat lunch, take a nap, then get ready for the game because we found out that Jalen Green's pregame meal before his nap is chicken Alfredo. And we're like, that has to be the worst thing to eat before playing basketball. Yeah, that sounds terrible. But he's young. Yeah, he'll learn. He's young. He'll learn. I mean, look.

Alfredo is a hell of a meal. That's a heavy meal. Maybe not before the, maybe not before the game, but he's what? 23 years old. Yeah. 23 years old. Who gives a fuck? You're eating McDonald's. You eat a Big Mac before the game. You're good. But at 30, what was your pregame meal?

I was eating pretty, avocados, rice, chicken. Not chicken Alfredo, yeah. Trying to win at a high level is, it's fucking boring, guys. There is nothing. You got to be really dedicated. There is nothing like all these people that you look at and you're like, wow, this champion, like,

If you think that this guy has the most interesting life, no, he's going to bed at fucking nine o'clock at night. Yeah. You know, he's eating healthy. Like you want to hear about his health routines. Like it's not that interesting. Yeah. It's, it's repetitive and boring and doing the same thing over and over and over again to get better. Yeah. But if you, I mean, for some people that's interesting. Yeah.

If you really enjoy the process. I need more. Just because you're a champion doesn't make you interesting. That's true. That's actually a good point. What about our good friend Steve Ballmer? We actually haven't met him, but I assume that we would be good friends. Best friends. Because of how much he cares about the Clippers. When you played for him, did you get to interact with him at all? So I played for the Clippers for three months. I just cut my Achilles right before, like six months before, and...

I had the blessing to be able to sign with the Clippers and it was when COVID, I signed and then the next day COVID hit. - Oh, geez. - The Rudy Gobert thing hit. So we had all this time off and then the Steve Floyd thing happened in the NBA.

And I remember Balmer getting all the players on a Zoom call and saying that he would invest in any nonprofit foundation that was doing work in the communities of the players they were living in. I was like, to me, that just spoke volumes about the guy that he is.

wanted to, first of all, as an owner, be able to talk to his players about the situation and be able to be helpful

I thought that was really powerful and nobody can say anything bad about that guy. Yeah. I don't think Donald Sterling would have done that. Just taking a guess. He would have definitely not done that. Definitely not done that. Give two fucks. It is fun to see Balmer courtside cheering on his team. Like he seems like he's crazier than most fans. Yeah. He's a super fan. And you know what? They made some, some,

tough decisions. I love that Van Gundy's on the bench. I think it says a lot about their coaching staff, the fact that they could bring in a guy like that as an advisor or an assistant coach, but somebody who, you know, he's an alpha himself. So to be able to have Ty Lue and him on the bench, that's two head coaches on the bench. That doesn't always work.

It says a lot about who they are. Yeah. All right. I got one last question for you, Joe. And this is always, always awesome when you stop by. Roback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com promo code take 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Roback dot com promo code take. I don't think I've ever heard this story, but you've told it. You decided to go to Florida because you saw two fraternities get in a fight. I did. What is that?

Well, I was with your main man, Matty Walsh. Yeah. And David Lee. Yeah. And they were kind of taking me on my recruiting trip. And I had the best time of my life, man. As soon as I saw those frats going at it, I knew that it was safe.

and fun and I knew that I was just not gonna have any, it wasn't gonna be boring. It's like there's nothing like getting out of a practice and then going on campus and then you go to a bar a little bit outside and you see two frats throwing the worst punches possible. You know that nobody's gonna get hurt but it's still enough to like be able to sit down and just eat some chicken wings and just...

You know, watch some chaos. Oh, that's so funny. When you were taking guys on their recruiting trip, you'd be like, you got to come see these guys fight. It's so funny. I mean, you know, I don't think those... They didn't happen all the time, I think, but...

it happened on my recruiting trip. I love that. It's so great. It was a moment. You see them fighting and you're like, I feel safe. I know no one can beat me up here. You know, when the football guys are fighting, it's, it's, it's, it's another thing. Yeah. That is another thing for sure. Yeah. Uh, well, Joe, you're the best man. Uh,

Can we shout out something for you? Of course. Yeah. What do we got? Noah's Ark, right? Yeah. Shout out Noah's Ark. We're out here in the community in Chicago. You know, one city. Shout out to one city. You know, shout out to our basketball league, violence prevention league. We're working with 28 different violence prevention groups playing basketball against each other. Very proud of the work that we're doing here. We're growing. We're growing. And shout out to Tony Allen also who joined the crew as the commissioner.

Tony Allen coming in and doing that community work. Real social worker out there. So shout out to Kobe Williams and everybody out there doing all the great work for us. I love it. I love it. And we got to get involved. You got to let us get involved somehow. Yeah, now that you guys got a hoop. Yep. We'll host some games. Let's chop it up. Let's go drink a brewski. Yeah.

Do what we do. Watch some frat guys fight. Yeah. Watch some frat guys. Oh, yeah. You want to see some unathletic fighting? That's so funny. Like, if we ever get, like, if Joe Keem's ever like, you know what, I'm going to, you know, get into the podcast game. Yeah. We got to bring him on a recruiting visit and have a couple guys fighting here.

Watch them throw terrible punches at each other. Be like, look, you're perfect. I'd never thought about it that way. But if I'm driving down the street, if I'm looking for a place to buy a house, I'm going down the street, I see two overweight dads fighting in the front lawn. I do think to myself, probably a pretty safe neighborhood. Not being able to land any punches. They feel open and safe enough to be fighting in the front lawn. They're throwing their beer.

There's third years all over the place. It's great. Yeah, I love it. All right. Thanks so much, Joe. That's dope, man. Joakim Noah was brought to you by Chevy. Chevy, baby.

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What's up? I've had a great week. This is, you know, we joke about the best weeks of the year, but these two weeks are my favorite time of the year. Weather's getting better. Summer's right there. Playoffs every single night. So many games. Like...

You get home from work and you're up to 1 a.m., just pure playoffs. Playoffs, playoffs, playoffs. Yeah, I mean, during football season, footballs dominate the weekends. But during this time of year, you're just a real piece of shit all week long. It's like there's always a great game on. Sorry, I got to be on my couch. And it's like, oh, the flowers are blooming. The trees are spurting. It's great. People are saying they have allergies. People are saying they have allergies. Max, you an allergy guy?

Low-key an allergy guy. I got allergies. It is Dusty May. Wimp. So no real personal Fyre Fest? The Bill Belichick thing is starting to weigh on me, though. Well, there's been some additions. Let's get into the additions. It's bad. It's like everyone's commenting on it now. Steve Belichick's

His wife commented on an Instagram post, correct? Yeah, Bill Belichick's daughter-in-law. Yeah, so she commented on it saying, like, most PR people don't act this way and storm out. So since we last talked, it has been an update every single hour. We found out that Jordan has bought $10 million in real estate.

in the last year and a half. Now, I don't... Entrepreneurial. Entrepreneur. Are you saying that she's not independently wealthy? I don't know. I don't know where the money came from. I just know... I thought in this country, we liked people picking themselves up by their bootstraps and...

dating someone 50 years older than them who has probably $100 million and then using that money to start a real estate empire. Like the people that are hitting on that, are you saying women can't own land? Right. Girl boss. Girl boss. We nailed it on Monday. We're like, sorry that a woman in power bothers you. Yeah. Jordan is a bad bitch.

And she is going to spend Bill Belichick's money however the fuck she wants. I also think that with Bill... It could be anyone's money. It could be anyone's money, too. Good point, Hank. We all have maybe been in relationships with somebody that's a little bit on the crazy side in the past. A lot of people out there might agree with this. What does this have to do with anything? I'm just saying. You're a complete non-secretary. Are you calling Bill Belichick crazy? Yeah. Bill Belichick is crazy. So, like, Jordan...

Her boyfriend, yeah, he might be like a wild guy, loose cannon. Wearing holes in his sweatshirt. Crazy shit. But sometimes the type of people that are a little bit crazy, it's also a very, very fun relationship. You think... If you know what I'm saying. That sounds like Bill. That does sound like Bill. Bill is probably a great lay. You think that Bill is... Yeah. Bill's rocking her world? For sure. Yeah. Bill's rocking her world. Yeah. Jordan can't quit it. Jordan... Bill is like crack to Jordan. He's got the magic stick. Yeah. Yeah.

I think people have been in that experience. I do think when things come to light, it's kind of like everyone has a buddy or maybe themselves that has been in a similar relationship with someone who's crazy. They know they're crazy. Their friends definitely know they're crazy. But it's kind of unspoken about. And then they get in a big blow-up fight at a bar or something. And then it's like, all right, well, now that it's kind of public, I probably have to be truthful with how crazy this is and how bad of a situation I might be in. Maybe they were in denial.

Maybe Jordan was in denial and now she's like, oh, okay. It is funny too because in the crazy relationship game that everyone is somewhat familiar with, whether firsthand, friends, whatever, you always got to be careful about what you say. I saw Charles Barkley said that he was going to possibly intervene, which is hilarious. You got to be careful what you say because if I know these two young lovebirds, Bill Belichick and Jordan, like I think I do, uh,

they're going to break up and then get back together. For sure. So there's going to be a period where people are going to probably throw some shots at Jordan. You got to be careful because again, Jordan, she's, she's addicted to that bell. Do you think that there's any chance that, that bill is, uh, up to date on everything that everyone's saying about him online? Uh, no, I think he's just got his head down, right? She tells him there. You guys seen silence of the lambs, Jordan, Jordan,

Bill could be in like a well in a basement somewhere. Buffalo Bill. I don't think he's getting access to his phones.

Put the hoodie on your head, Bill. Yeah. Yeah. But listen, again, Jordan, what are we doing here? Why are people coming at her? I don't know. Just remember, when they tell the story of Jordan and Bill, one of the greatest love stories of all time, we had Jordan's back, and it was because we wanted to get Bill Belichick on the show. Consenting adults. And no other reason, because everything else points to crazy. I am very much looking forward to it. The report came out after the last show that she was the reason Hard Knocks at UNC got...

Yeah. Because she wanted to be involved. That sucks. That would have been great. Yeah. Well, I'm sure they probably had like one meeting with her. Maybe. No. Well, maybe they were like one meeting and they're like,

her creative vision is so good that we're going to get exposed. We're afraid that she's going to take our job. Or how bad Hard Knocks is when this one's so good because it's kind of the Jordan vision. Or, I mean, when has Hard Knocks ever... Like you never want to work with someone that's so much better than you because it highlights how bad you are. We love Hard Knocks. We love watching Hard Knocks. But there's always some salacious story that comes out or something that you can use later as fodder to make fun of the subject of Hard Knocks, whatever team it is, whatever coach it is. You can laugh at them about it later.

Jordan was probably just doing her job as a PR person to get ahead of that, being like, Bill, you don't want to have all your secrets exposed. Right. You're such a good coach. Why are you giving away the cow when they can buy the milk for free? I got two questions. You're absolutely right. I got two questions. Do you think there's a chance CBS releases the full interview? Because I want it so bad.

Release the transcript, CBS. Because Jordan and Bill, the Belichicks, have basically tried to call their bluff being like, it wasn't what everyone thinks it is. They were trying to take the interview into weird spots. We were just doing our job.

Basically, CBS is the liars here. I really need this full transcript. I want to know what was in the rest of the 30-minute video that she put the screenshot of. Yeah. Because she definitely insinuated there's more. Yeah. She's got receipts. My understanding was that, because they said she stormed out for 30 minutes, the video she posted was 36 minutes. I think she was filming-

The conversation maybe with the rep. Oh. Like the fight. Oh. About why she stormed out. Oh, so she's got the transcripts to release as well. I don't know. That's just a guess. At least all the transcripts. I need more of it. I don't want that. I don't think we want that. All right, so if you had to give... What if it somehow... I mean, it probably won't, but what if it makes Jordan look worse? It won't somehow. There's nothing that could make her look bad in this situation whatsoever. She's just a regular 24-year-old girl, woman, woman.

Dating a 70 plus year old man For love And a couple houses That's probably their shared passion Yeah their shared passion is Buying houses they'll never live in If you had to give Jordan One piece of advice what would you give her

Block out the haters. Don't don't. Yeah. Keep doing you. You know what? I think I think the I think the I personally think the best resolution for this whole situation is for Jordan to just keep doing her. Yeah. As much as possible. Yeah. I was going to say that if I had to give one piece of advice to Jordan, have a baby. No, no. Yeah. Let's go. Let's make this official. Not with Belichick. Yeah. With Belichick. With Bill. Have a let's get a baby in this thing. No, no. At least at least fake a pregnancy. Yeah.

That's step one. It's like, hey, everybody in my life is telling me I need to break up with you, so I'm going to break up with you. Well, you can't because guess what? I'm pregnant. Yeah. Fuck. Okay. And then nothing happens. Jordan Belichick Jr. A baby in the mix of this would be one of the greatest stories. I mean, it already is a great love story, but.

consummate this love with a baby. The important thing for them to remember is that everybody else in the world is crazy, not you guys. Right. It also really, like, it's good perspective, I think, for the rest of the world, because it kind of happened with Brady, too. It was like, yeah, these two are the greatest of all time, unquestionably, undeniably. But in their personal lives, they're just normal people. Normal shit happens. Wait, were you saying that Belichick...

and jordan are like belichick and brady no like belichick and brady like in the football world untouchable gods but then it's like yeah but they're just personal stuff that happens outside of football is just like you know that happens with everyone i mean bill respects great and it's just it's not fun to follow right we can agree that bill belichick respects greatness right that includes jordan yes and jordan is the tom brady of crazy girlfriends right exactly

She is the ghost. She's putting up crazy numbers. She's the Will Chamberlain. Yep. Watch this. Baby. Baby. Good Fyre Fest, eh? Yeah, good Fyre Fest. Okay. You can just start muting. It is disaster. Like, every report, it's like, just stop. It's just more. Every single one. The fact that the family's getting involved now is... The real estate was tough, and then, yeah, it's just... It doesn't end. Yeah. And it's not gonna. Ever. This is for life. I don't think... I think there's a chance... Like...

I said over-under of games that he coaches is like one and a half. Yeah, the... It feels like he's just not going to coach. I don't know how, I don't know what is going to lead to that, but part of me is just like, he's not going to end up coaching a game. Jordan, her next step is one, maybe a fake pregnancy. Yep. Test the waters a little bit. Real one. Two, maybe write yourself into the will. Mm-hmm.

The good news is, Jordan, at least CBS didn't pry about the meeting on the plane, because I think we can all agree that her stopping that was the most important thing. And everything that has led after that is just a weird coincidence. Yep. Yep. They met on the plane. Period. Period. A plane to Palm Beach. Will Epstein? No. Man, Jordan.

Shout out Jordan. Bad bitch. We're a bad bitch podcast. I like her. She-e-o. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I had a pretty good week this week, too. I guess my...

I'll just say that the fire fest might be might be for us as a whole because as a podcast we've dabbled in a little uh I'd say light hazing of some of our co-workers uh people that work on the show just like good good-natured ribbing nothing too serious but hazing is big time on the hot seat right now and people are stressing out about it I don't know what you're talking about I don't know no we're very fair to everybody that's that's been here um

There is a lacrosse team in Syracuse, New York, that is in big, big trouble being threatened with felonies. They shut down the entire season, the high school lacrosse team. Here's what they did. So they had a little initiation ritual for one of their younger players. And in the initiation, what they did was they staged a kidnapping.

So they had one of the guys get in the car, and they're like, we're all going to go to McDonald's, have a team meal. They drive to McDonald's, and then on the way there, the driver pretended that he got lost, went off into a wooded area, and then a bunch of guys came out of the woods, his teammates, but they were wearing masks and black clothes. One of them might have had a gun.

One of them had a knife. Okay, well, yeah, if you're going to stage a kidnapping, you've got to have those things. Then they put a pillowcase over the young man's head, and they put him into the trunk of a car. He eventually got out, and then a bunch of his teammates were also pretending to be kidnapped. They escaped. They got home. Now they're trying to charge the team with felonies, and they canceled the entire season for the team.

just because of a little prank. Now, I will say that if you had a gun, that might have been like one step too far. No, I disagree. If you have fake kidnapping, you need a gun. Otherwise, it's just like...

What are we doing here, boys? You just walk away. Yeah, the only thing I can think of with a gun, what if the kid had had a gun and he sees the gun, whether real or fake. Then you just quickly say, hey, it's just fake. Then the player takes his gun out, shoots the other guy, and is like, that was hazing too. I just hazed you right back. Yeah. But it seems like this is going to be a national story.

And then no one's going to be allowed to make rookies get haircuts in training camp anymore. It's bullshit. Or carry pads. It's bullshit. Yeah. It's bullshit. Why does this kid say all that? This seems to me like maybe he came home and he was scared, and then the parents were like, what happened? And he told the parents. Shouldn't he have come home and been like, yes, I made it? Yeah. It's just a prank, dude. I'm initiated. Yeah, I'm one of the boys now. But this is also, like, look, I'm not defending Hayes in here, but like... You would never. But they...

Didn't the team find out that he's not ride or die? Yes. Did the hazing kind of work? Yeah. You don't want a guy like that on your team who's not down for a little fake kidnapping with a real gun and real knife. And here's where the problem comes in. They just said the gun wasn't loaded. A bunch of them filmed it.

so they have video they have to film it you have to film it I guess it's like the prank call to Shador that's where no no no you gotta film it you gotta play it back whenever he gets a little uppity being like look you fucking pissed your pants and cried when we pulled this gun on you yeah

It just seems like this is a... You shouldn't kidnap anybody with a gun. It was fake kidnapping. It was a fake kidnapping. Also, the kids should have known that it was a fake kidnapping. Right. You're in Syracuse, New York. You're with your high school boys. There are a lot of alarm bells that should go... On my... I don't want to say what team it was, but I was on a team at one point, and they kidnapped one of the freshmen...

And then they tied him up and they left him on the train tracks in the middle of campus. Just a classic prank. That's funny. And then he wiggled his way out and he wiggled his way back to the apartment and drank beers with the boys and everything was fine. Yeah. And now he's got a bond for life where he thought he was going to die and that creates bonding. It does. Yeah. What do you say, Max? This whole Jordan situation has...

I don't know what you're saying is real or not real. What do you mean? I have no idea. The Jordan situation threw off Max's sarcasm detector. Correct. I can't tell whether Big Cat is being sarcastic or having real opinions. About anything you're saying, I'm struggling. Sounds like we got a fake kidnap. What do you mean sarcastic? Yeah, dude. Yeah, my bad, my bad. You got to fake kidnap your boys if you want to make sure that they ride or die.

And if you do a fake kidnapping, you have to include a real gun. He might have been joking about loading the gun. Film it. Yeah. Like, it's like, just, all right, here. Ready?

You got a new guy on the team. You got to find out if he's down. If he's team material. Okay, so what's the only way you can find out if this guy is going to be a good teammate? Hold a gun to his head. Fake kidnapping. And if he's a pussy, then he's off the team. Yeah, fake kidnapping. What's the only way to do a fake kidnapping? Real gun. What's the only way to make sure that you have evidence of this? Video.

See how easy that is? Got it. It's a simple question of, do I like this kid? And the only way to find out is you go down the line and it's fake kidnapping with a real gun on video. See, this is where I keep getting, Hank keeps saying no to the camera, which makes me think that you think everything else. You still think I'm being serious? I think Hank is. Because I am.

Max, you played on winning teams before, right? Yeah. Did you ever get hate? Max, are you getting PTSD right now? No, no. What do they make you do, Max? Elephant walk? No.

that I've done an elephant walk ride or die. I would never, I would never, there you go. You would never do an elephant walk. I would never, I would never talk about the hazing. Right. That's why you don't film it either. Cause then it's like, what happened? No one knows, but it's even, it's even better if you do film it and then you never show it to anybody. That's the, that is the ultimate. It would be funny if this kid went to the police and the police just sat him down and they're like, so let me get this straight. You're tattling.

And then put the cuffs on him. Yeah. Don't film it. It's a he said, she said. It's like, did you have a gun? No. You go in, you report to the police. There's like one rookie cop and then a bunch of veteran cops. And yeah, we did a fake kidnapping. And my son, he's got PTSD from it. And immediately the rookie cop just starts laughing like...

You got to keep your mouth shut about that. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, back in fucking class of 96. Yeah. Way worse. Yeah. Just kind of chuckle and dap up and say, good luck this season. If you're going to do a fake kidnapping with a real gun that's loaded, at least keep the safety on. Yeah. Agreed. And finger not on the trigger, but maybe a little bit. If the safety is on, it doesn't matter. Right. Right. Yeah. It would be funny if the cop was just like, so you're not making the team.

And then it was like, see you later. One thing I will say is that they probably, I'm a little upset that they canceled the entire season for the entire team. Because regardless of your stance on doing a fake kidnapping slash attempted murder, it's not every kid on the team that did it. Most. Why are you throwing, yeah, you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Agreed. Agreed.

All right. My fire fest is I just, I don't know. I don't really have one. I had a good week. I'm never going to sleep again. I realized that. What were you, Max, what's going on? Made a great point. How was that your fire fest, PFT? Huh? Because I just said that I had a pretty good week. So this is collectively for us as a podcast. We might not be allowed to haze anymore. It's a good riff. True. Yeah. True. Yeah. Yeah.

Max is just the voice of the listener of this episode. Wait a second. Wait a second. Is Big Cat serious? Wait a second. Wait a second. PFT, that sounded like it was a Wednesday thing. I'm just trying to help out. I'm just trying to help out. Yeah, no, I had the realization. I have this realization every now and then, but doing a forecast of my schedule, I'm like, I'm just never going to sleep again in my life. And that just sucks to know because...

I just wish I could. I like sleep a lot. Yeah. It's awesome. It's great. Thanks to sleep. I'm a sleep guy. Big time. Also, our softball team lost. That sucked. We got to get better. Damn. The other team was very good. We have to play better defensively. I have to hit better. We all have to play better. Well,

We were bad. I was very bad defensively. Nobody hit. No drinking before games anymore. No. Big Cat, I have a question. Big Cat's coming in here and trying to anti-fun team over here. Well, drink after the game. I got a question. Softball, you have a couple beers. It's fine. Was it beers?

I went out to dinner and had a glass of wine at dinner. There was more than one glass. Did you have more glasses of wine than errors? That first throw to Hank. Less. Less glasses of wine. The first throw to Hank was, I was like, shit, he might have had a lot of wine. No, no. I swear, I had two glasses of wine. You know who doesn't lose games is fat pitches only. Max threw into right field. Yeah, Max threw into right field and it was like, the ball hadn't even released his hand and he just goes, fuck. I just threw into right field.

I'm an emotional guy. I was also the only guy who fucking hit yesterday. I agree. I said I have to hit better. I fucking sucked. I had a single. Yeah. What were you going to say, PFT? You answered all my questions. The conversation eventually went to everything I was going to ask. There we go. I have a potential firefetch for PFT. So we won. We did not win. We did not win. You won't even let me finish my fucking sentence.

You won my slot? I figured you won my slot. Shut the fuck up, man. After that tweet you put out, you guys won my slot. I've been trying to say a sentence for the last four minutes. And you stupid motherfuckers won't stop talking. This is why I'm not in a fucking team. When Big Cat's like, oh, PFT, you want to play on our team? No, fuck you guys. We don't lose games on Fat Pitches Only. You slaughter all teams, right? We tie. What's your guys' record? We won the tie, though. What's your record? Since I joined the team, we are 0-1-1.

What about... We got a result. What's your record since I joined the team? Not counting forfeits. 2-0-1. No, 2-1. We're 2-1. In the last two weeks? Yeah. On the season, we're 2-1. No, but in the last two weeks. Oh, we're 1-1. Oh, not counting forfeits. No, we played. We played. We're 1-1. Two weeks ago? Yeah. That was a forfeit. We played a game. Against yourselves? No, against the other team that was there. I thought you forfeited. No. We're 1-1.

We're 2-1 on the season. We've got to be better. I'm going to have to fact check that. We're 2-1 on the season. Who did you play last week? The team we were supposed to play for, but we played another game. Against who? Whichever team was there. The team that was there. It's all about next week. Just a funny little... That's just another game for me. PFT anecdote. That's been making me laugh since it happened. They were playing the game before us. I walked up and PFT was wearing his Nobles. And I was like, no, why don't you have cleats, PFT?

And dude's like, well, I brought my golf shoes, which I do too, because with spikes. But PFT just brought golf shoes that don't have spikes. No, they've got small spikes on them. They're just like... Oh, yeah. It just made me laugh. I mean, they've got the tiny little plastic spikes on them. There's more grip than regular sneakers, but... It is true. And Hank was like, why aren't you wearing those? I was like, well, because they're hot pink, which Hank ordered for me a couple of years ago. And I'm not good enough. You can't be...

like an average to slightly below average player and being the only one that wears the hot pink shoes. Right, I agree. Like if anyone on your team was wearing batting gloves. Yeah, hypothetically. I don't know why you're looking at me. I'm not looking at anyone. I'm actually looking at the ground right now. We can look at the batting glove guy when the batting glove guy comes in here. No, we're not. I'm being positive vibes only on this team.

Batting gloves and slow pitch 60 inches. Crazy, but I'm not talking about anyone on my team. All right. It doesn't even sting when you hit. No, it's not. Why would you need batting gloves? No idea, PFT. Be a man and just piss on your hands. Unrelated. I fucking love my bobblehead. My Pope bobblehead. It's so sick. Who got this for me? Oh, Shane. I fucking love Shane. Shane was probably the MVP yesterday. Yeah, no, he actually was running the fuck out of the bases too. All right. Good show, boys. Wait, Max, are you gone?

Yeah, tomorrow. Where are you going? Are you going to zoom in in the Maui costume? If you bring me the Maui costume, I will wear the Maui costume. What time do you leave tomorrow? Like 6 a.m. Oh, fuck. All right. I don't think I have the Maui costume. If I can find it. He's going to Hawaii. Yeah, I know. I wanted to hear him say another vacation. Hey, Shane. Hey, Shane. I heard that. What? The Pope? Yeah, I love it.

You don't need batting gloves, Shane. I don't give a fuck. I like batting gloves. I was two for two. Would you wear them in the field? No. He's our DH. I'm a DH. So that's the only reason why you should wear batting gloves in 16 inches if you're playing in the field and you're like, it stings. No. My job is to hit. I love that. There's adults doing sprints in the outfield before the game, like trying hard. If you're cool with the batting gloves, I'm cool with the batting gloves. Yeah, I mean.

It's cool to try hard. Yeah. Swaggy. Yeah, everyone thinks, like, if there's a try hard, that's the coolest guy on the team. I was two for two. Yeah, you were, and I said that. You were fucking running the hell out of bases, too. We're going to kill you guys. You were speed teaming out there. Did you score two runs? Kill? I just won. Kill. Spread is three and a half runs. All right, numbers three. Oh, fuck. 40. 21. 66. 43. 44. 59. 50.

27. 27. All right, Max, have a good vacation. Love you guys. Bye, Max. Bye, Max.

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