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And PFT, I think Dan Campbell has an addiction and his addiction is doing the craziest fucking shit at every turn. He's addicted to being a psychopath. He is. He is insane. Dan Campbell is insane. And this was a rare instance where like it worked at the end. And I still think it was fucking crazy. Yeah. No, he did two things. It was, it was not only that it was going for it on his own 30. Yeah. Uh, and what was the third quarter? It,

He just wants he I don't think he fully feels alive unless he's doing something that everyone in the stadium is like, no, what are you doing? Stop. Please stop. What did he do? He went for it. So first of all, it was Lions win 3431. Great, great game. Probably one of the best games Thursday night games we've had.

It was 45 seconds left, fourth and inches on the 19-yard line or 20-yard line, wherever it was. Going in. Going in. And Dan Campbell could have kicked the field goal and given the Packers maybe 40 seconds left. Instead, he went for it on fourth down.

and to get that extra time off the clock and be able to end the game without the Packers getting the ball back. But he went for it on fourth down after getting stuffed on third down. And if you don't get it there, I mean, you could lose in regulation. It's going to overtime. You could just kick the field goal with 40 seconds left. But no, no, no. Dan Campbell's like, fuck it.

I'm a psycho. I'm basically... I'm going to make sure they never get the ball back. I'm going for this on fourth down. The risk-reward was insane in that because what he ended up doing was he got the first down and then he just proceeded to take 40 seconds off the clock and kick the field goal with no time left. So he defeated...

He defeated Matt LaFleur, and he also defeated the clock. Yeah. He defeated time tonight. He's 1-0 against time. Yeah, and it was... We were having a debate after the game. I mean, I would have just kicked a field goal, but I'm not Dan Campbell. But the one thing I've always said about Dan Campbell is he's consistently psycho. And Stephen Shea was sitting next to me. He's like, they're going to lose a game. That's going to cost them. I was like, yeah, it might, but...

They went for it on fourth down on their own 31 in the third quarter that did not work. And so I feel like Dan Campbell's got this algorithm in his head, this big balls algorithm that's like, if we just go for it enough on fourth down, enough of them will go our way and we'll come out winners. He feels like 10 cup if he was a football coach.

Just like constantly challenging, like staring death in the face repeatedly when he knows that he shouldn't. He probably knows it's a problem too. Like after the game, after the adrenaline rush wears off, have you ever done anything really stupid in your life and you got away with it? A lot of things. A lot of shit. You know that feeling that you get when like you wake up the next morning and you're like,

Fuck, that was dangerous. Yeah. I could have died. I shouldn't have done that. Yeah. And then later on in life, you think back to how dumb you were as a kid and you get scared all over again for what you did. Dan Campbell wakes up after game days and he's like, oh, fuck, I did it again. Oh, man. But it worked out. What was that? You guys aren't even mentioning that Jared Goff tripped on the play and was somehow able to get the handoff off. Great handoff. Like, it was an unbelievable handoff. Great handoff. But he tripped.

It was so close to just blowing up in his face. And this double blew Max's mind. Max is double mad right now.

because one obviously the packers they lost max was hoping that they were going to win but then two he hears us talk about dan campbell and all his brain translates it into is if this was nick sirianni you guys would make 45 minutes out of what a turkey is on the podcast but that's the thing dan campbell is consistently so is nick sirianni no he's not nick sirianni does dumb shit all the time it was just in the beginning of the year none of it was working that's

That's a good point. Nick Sirianni does dumb shit all the time. He does Dan Campbell shit like that. And it just wasn't working. That's the only difference. Dan Campbell does a lot of aggressive stuff that is borderline dumb. So does Nick Sirianni. No, but this was one example where... No, Nick Sirianni does a lot of dumb, dumb stuff. This was one example where Dan Campbell did something that was dumb

This was doy-doy. Yeah. If he... If Jared Goff slips there and falls down and isn't able to get... No, he did. And he isn't able to get that hand off, you are talking about how much of a fucking idiot he is right now. We kind of are right now. Yeah, I mean, he... But again... But there's no, like... No, but...

They won. He's crazy. He's psycho. But again, he is consistent. He has a way of doing it, and he's always going to put... Dan Campbell's basically driving a car with his foot on the gas to the floor at all times. And the gas meter is right on empty. He's like, I think we can make it. Let's pass this exit. He's just always like, we're never going to take our foot off the gas. And I think that that's why it works.

I think that's why they have 11. That was their 11th straight win. They're 12-1. And what's crazy is it was December 5th, three years ago, that they got their first win of the season under Dan Campbell. The Lions beat the Vikings with that walk-off touchdown. And now they're 12th win in week 14. I want to address Max's point, though. Max, if that happened to the Eagles and Nick Sirianni makes a crazy, crazy play call on fourth down, he's rolling the dice, going for it.

Jalen Hurts' foot gets stepped on. Do you think Jalen Hurts can make a game-winning play in a Super Bowl after he gets stepped on?

If you had to get stepped on and throw a 75-yard pass, I don't think Jared Goff would have been able to do that. Make the play. I just said make the play. Hand the ball off? Yes. Make the play. Make the game-winning play. You're comparing a once-in-a-million Hail Mary to a handoff. That's what you're doing right now. Jared Goff got it done. That's what you're doing right now. He gets it done. A Hail Mary to a handoff. Listen.

I don't agree with going for it there, but again, that's just what he does.

He's a psycho, and the guys love it, and they fight for him, and the Lions are the best team in football right now. And Max, here's what I should say. All right, one thing about the Packers. The Packers, I think, are still – I still have them in my problem territory where I think they could make a run in the playoffs. They can't have what happened tonight where Jordan Love had a slow start, and it felt like – I know that they were – you blinked, and in the third quarter they were up –

But they were down 10 in the first half, and it just didn't feel like they had any rhythm besides that deep ball. So they got to get started a little faster, especially in a playoff game. So the Packers, I think, are fine. And they'll make a—or fine by the way of, like, I'm very nervous about them. The Lions, though. Max, the Lions are going to lose another game. Yeah, but it doesn't matter—

Like the Bills next week is basically a bye for them. Them losing that game. Oh, because the indivision? Because it's. But then they got to play the Niners, the Bears, the Niners, and the Vikings. They need. Yes. One of those. And even the Niners. I don't know if that gets it done. It needs to be. Max is obviously nervous because he wants the one seed very badly. And it's a big one seed. It's a huge one seed. Like going to Detroit. It's tough. It's a massive one seed. I know. It's not even going to. It's them coming to Philly. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.

That's it. They don't win that game in Philly. Not with the link. They don't win that game. The Lions are so good, though. They're so good. And Tim Patrick. And all their big games are at home. No, they have to go play at the Bears and at the Niners.

But the Niner... Max, at the end of the game, was on his phone screaming, all their games are at home! All their games are at home! The Lions only play home games. All their games are at home. That was me deflecting. That was me being mad. It's okay, yeah, you can be mad. Wait, so they have big games that are on the road? They're division games.

They have the Bills at home next week. That's what really set it off. Did they get to play at home again? The scariest thing about the Lions, too, is just everyone gets involved. They had six guys have five or more catches tonight. And it's just every single guy contributes. And by the way, Josh Jacobs, three touchdowns. He was awesome. Yeah. If you're the Packers, you're obviously upset that you lost this game. You're very upset because it was winnable. But you also know that you can beat the Lions.

Maybe. You can beat the Lions. You're 0-2 against them. But you can beat them. Maybe. Beatable. Maybe. Tough to beat a team three times. Tough to beat a team three times. Do you think the Packers could beat the Lions in Philly? Yes. I think definitely. Yes. If it was for the one seed? Yeah, for the one seed. Yeah, yeah. I wasn't paying attention. I'm looking at their away games right now. It's crazy. What's so crazy? I mean, it's just bullshit. How many are there? Less than one.

So they have less road games than home games. Damn, that's crazy. I have a question for you, Big Cat. Yeah. Does Matt LeFleur have an anger problem? What was he angry about, by the way? He's been very angry the last month or so. We almost fought a fan before the game. Yeah, before the game, this is from... I have a side on this. Dyer Carragher. Matt LeFleur just told a Lions fan on the field who was taunting in his face to shut the fuck up.

I'm on Matt LaFleur's side. The guy was out there to do the big flag. I don't think you should be yelling at an NFL coach when you're doing the big flag. Yeah. Just respect America. And I kind of like Matt LaFleur was fired up. I also don't think that this reporter should have reported on that. Yeah.

Like, keep that to yourself. Yeah, keep it to yourself. You're a narc. But what was he mad about? He was mad the entire game. He's mad all the time now. I don't know what it is, but he's mad LeFleur. He's mad LeFleur. I think he probably, I mean, this was a very important game, and it was a great game. And I have one other note I had that's unfortunate. We have stood strong in the don't try to retire Al Michaels. His energy was not there for a game of this caliber. Yeah.

This was a playoff game. And it was, he was calling touchdowns like they were like, you know, five yard outs in the first five minutes of the game. Yeah, but he can bounce back. But it's just like this, if there was a time to bounce back, it was this game. This was the game. He's saving something for January. This was the game. Does he have a game in January? All out. I think they stopped. No, Week 18 doesn't have any Thursday night football.

It's kind of ironic that he's turned into a vegetable. Yeah, he is. It's crazy. It's crazy. I just needed more out of him. I needed more out of him, and I just feel like this was the time for him to really give us more. Yeah.

It's okay. I'm willing to forgive. I am too. I mean, I'm not. Listen, I still love the game, and the announcer doesn't affect me that much. Yeah. This might be his last season, but I don't want to kick Al Michaels out. Yeah, I don't want him to go out in a way that it's like, if we keep going, and it's like three years from now, and we're like, damn, what's going on? What was the over-under on this game? It was 52. 52.

Maybe that's why he kind of turned it down because the over hit and he already had it. What are you looking at, Max? I remember there was a streaming playoff game last year, but it's Peacock, not Amazon. It's on the cock, yeah. You were worried that, oh, you thought it was going to be Amazon. I thought maybe they had a wild card round game, but that's Peacock I was thinking of. You're not going to be in the wild card round. No, he's worried about Al Michaels calling the playoff game. Yes, we are.

With that attitude, yes. You're right. With that attitude. Getting home games. With that attitude, yes.

Yes, Max. Anything else from this game? I just love this game. It's just great. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Like, having a game of this caliber on a Thursday night was fucking awesome. So somehow the Lions defense, I know statistically they didn't play well. They're the most injured defense ever if you talk to a Lions fan. Yeah, I think they have 13 guys on injured reserve. I believe that includes offense too, but they've got a lot of guys that are hurt. The defense didn't look good.

They didn't look as bad as their numbers were. Right. That's what I'm saying. You know what it is? It's when they hit you, the guys that are out there, if they're in the right position and they're playing well as a team, they knock the fuck out of you. They hit you hard, but then they also give up a lot of really, really big, easy plays. So it tricks you into thinking that they're better than they are because when they make a tackle, they make a fucking tackle.

Aleem McNeil is very, very important for their defense, and he went out, like, what was it, six minutes into the game? Yeah. So, yeah, they'll maybe get – I mean, I think Anzalone's coming back, get a little healthier. But, yeah, the lines are just good. You can get Aiden Hutchinson back for the Super Bowl, maybe. Maybe. Maybe. I had one last thing.

We didn't say it because we taped everything else earlier, but we did get the Spotify rap numbers. And thank you to all the AWLs. It blows my mind every year. Yes. It's crazy. Thank you very, very much. All the people tweeting us, all the people hitting us on Instagram. We don't take it for granted one bit at the end of the year. I always think about it like, fuck, man, we have the best job in the world, luckiest guys in the world. And it's like all these people spend all this time with us and it's.

It's not lost on us at all. No, there's so many podcasts out there that you could listen to. And as a podcast listener myself, you know, you make that choice every single time. So thank you. Thank you for making that choice. And we love you guys and appreciate you. Yeah. Memes. You want to say anything to our fans? I love you. Okay. Nice. That was good. What about to us?

You guys are cool, too. Oh, okay. Oh, thanks. And PFT. Oh. And I'm cool, too. Now this... Yeah, PFT's here. All right. That was perfectly said. I've started a new tradition where I just hug memes every time I see him. Yeah. And he just physically... He just, like, recoils. Yeah. He doesn't... He doesn't like touching. He doesn't like touching. Hank, you got anything you want to say? No. Yeah. Love you guys. It's Spotify...

Apparently Spotify fired a bunch of people and that's why the Spotify raps were just bad in general. It was crazy seeing our numbers, but the aesthetic...

of going through your own personal Spotify raps and even our part of my take Spotify rap wasn't the same and apparently it's because Spotify like fired a bunch of people. Oh, shit. That's very well said. I don't know why I just said that. I don't know why I just said that. Thanks to the fans. I don't know why I said that. Thanks to everybody at Spotify. You want to take another shot at it? Yeah, I mean, I just get weird when I get emotional. You know, our fans are the best fans in the world. We're not emotional guys. It's mind-blowing that hundreds of thousands if not millions of people, you know, listen and watch the show, know who we are. I don't know.

I forget that all the time. I just think I'm saying stupid shit with my friends. Yeah. Which is how it should always remain. That's the beauty of this show is that we have never really thought that we're not just saying stupid shit with our friends. Sorry, Spotify. I don't know why you did that. That was just like a fuck spot.

Spotify. There's no reason. That was so weird. I'm also like Spotify wrapped. Drop the ball. Thank you to Spotify for carrying our podcast on their platform. Keep pumping us, please. I just feel like Hank heard you say Spotify. Yeah, he just blacked out. And he just stopped listening to everything else. Yeah. He's like, Spotify, that reminds me. Max. I was thinking it. I just shouldn't have said it. Yeah. Max, instead of saying thank you to our fans, do you have anything else to say about the Lions schedule? Uh,

Also, Apple Music, do something similar. Maybe this is your chance. Thank you for listening to everyone who listens to Apple Music, too. I think Apple Music does. Apple Podcast does. Apple Podcast. Thank you, everyone who listens to Apple Podcast. Google Play. Google Play, yeah. Watch this on Rumble. Stitcher, is that still a thing? iHeart. Amazon. iHeart? Yep. Hell yeah. I think Google might have got rid of Podcasts.

I think we're on. Fuck. No, not going to say that. No. Max, anything last thing about the Lions schedule instead of saying thank you to the fans? The fans probably know how easy the Lions schedule is. They've just given them all of their hard games at home. I know. I feel like they play only their division rivals only at home. I know. For some reason, I'm only paying attention to the divisional games at home. Oh.

I don't even think that they played those road games earlier in the season. Oh, man. All right, let's kick it to ourself. We got week 14 preview. We've got RG3, and then we've got some great Fyre Fest and a little lottery ball magic.

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This is not a great slate. We got six teams on a buys last by week of the season. Broncos, Colts, Patriots, Commanders, Ravens, Texans, and

It has left us with, I would say, not the greatest groupings of games, but that usually is what gives us the most chaos. There's a couple good ones out there. There's a couple good ones, but you would agree there's also some ones that we'll go through quickly. Yeah, we can just talk about draft picks. Right, right. Okay, so I have them ranked in kind of order. One of the first ones that I thought was compelling, I don't know, this I think might be main TV.

Falcons at Vikings. Yep. Kirk Cousins' revenge game. Kirk Cousins' revenge game. Vikings minus 5.5, over under 45.5, all in the DraftKings app.

This is kind of do or die for the Falcons here because it feels like everything is trending in the wrong direction. And now you go up against a Vikings defense. Brian Flores knows Kirk Cousins from last year. He's going to blitz the fuck out of him. And here's a stat for you. Kirk Cousins, when he gets sacked three plus times, he is one in three straight up this year. And he is one in five straight up when getting sacked three plus times over the last two seasons.

Gun to your head. Do you think he gets sacked more than three times on Sunday? I think he gets sacked more than three times. So I think the Vikings are going to win. Also, we talk about the in the hunt graphic a lot on this show because it comes out, you know what, two weeks ago, I think they debuted in the hunt and how it can be like a very powerful narcotic. If you were a fan of a bad team that is still featured in the, in the hunt graphic, because it tricks you into rooting for your team, even though you should actually be hoping that they lose as many games. I'm not talking about like,

As the games are playing, you all become fans and you root for your team to win during the game. Yeah. But it makes you think, oh, we still have a chance and you almost never have a chance. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are the team that's lurking in the hunt. Yeah. They're like right there. With the Falcons...

If anything fucks up with the Falcons, the Bucs are ready to just take that division and run away with it. Yeah, the Falcons obviously have the tiebreaker because they beat them twice, but it is definitely, it feels like two teams going in the opposite direction right now. We talked about it, I think, two or three weeks ago when we were saying take the Bucs plus 400 to win the NFC South. Yeah. Just looking at the schedules and looking at how the Bucs are playing and getting healthier. Yeah, this could be...

Given the fact that the Bucs are playing the Raiders and the Vikings are playing the Falcons, or the Falcons are playing the Vikings, this could be the week that the Bucs are now in first in the NFC South. Yeah, so Aaron Jones had a bad fumble last week. Yeah. And he's fixing it. I don't think he's in Kevin O'Connell's doghouse. In fact, kind of the opposite. They kind of nurtured him this week. Kevin O'Connell kept saying, like, I love Aaron. He's the best. Everybody loves Aaron. So what's the opposite of a doghouse? Is he sleeping on the bed? Sleeping on the bed.

Sleeping on the bed. Yeah, sleeping under the covers. Sleeping under the covers on the bed. Yeah. He owns the bed now. That would be the ultimate opposite of doghouse. Yeah, so Aaron Jones, to fix the fumbling remedy, some guys carry around a football all week.

And that teaches them not to fumble. He's been carrying around his children like footballs in his arms all week, teaching himself not to fumble. High and tight. I like this strategy. Has he been breastfeeding? I don't know if he has, but it would mean that Aaron Jones has three generations of Joneses on his body at all times because he wears his dad's ashes in a necklace around his neck. That's a lot of Joneses. So a lot of Joneses. I like this strategy of carrying your kids around. I'd like to see how he does it, though, because if it's...

If it's a baby and it's reverse, I think that's even funnier where it's the asses to his chest. Yeah. So the face is out. So he's carrying it around. The baby gets kind of like a good POV. You think he's palming his baby's face? No. I would think back. No, no, no. I'm saying he's got his hand on the baby's chest.

Okay, got it, got it. So the baby can look out and he's holding it high and tight. That'd be kind of cool. But then he's exposing his baby's head, exposing the end of the football. He's carrying his baby like a little... Well, you don't know if his baby can't slide.

That's true. Yeah. We should give credit because sometimes we get caught in the trap of like, hey, this guy stinks. This guy stinks. Matty Buflus is an idiot. Sometimes some of us get caught in that trap. Kevin O'Connell has been elite in one score games. So he is 24 and nine straight up in one score games. And it's the third best win percentage for any head coaching NFL history. Seven and one this year in one score games.

He's such an awesome coach. And like that kind of is, if you had to pick a stat for what makes a great coach, it might be one score games because those are the games where like, you know, blowout wins, blowout losses probably doesn't have a big factor. The coaching one score games when you have to make decisions late in the fourth quarter is,

that's the definition of a great coach. And Kevin O'Connell is that. Yeah. High scoring one score games. Yeah. Where do you stand in that? I think he's probably pretty good at it. And it's weird to me that they didn't give him, he was like doing a contract before the season. And then they just stopped during the season. We'll figure it out later. I think next year would be his last season as a head coach for the Vikings.

I think that's what his contract is. What more did he have to do leading to this point to make you feel, if you're the owner of the Vikings, like, this is our coach. We want to lock him up. He went on expert mode and was like, here, you want me to make Sam Darnold good? Josh Dobbs. Yeah. Remember that? Remember J.J. McCarthy? They should have locked him up. J.J. McCarthy's going to end up being the best quarterback from that draft class.

Well, that's just what's going to end up happening after all this discussion. And then J.J. McCarthy is somehow going to be like the best player of all time. Is it going to affect him at all that they play on artificial grass? And so he can't properly ground himself before the games. They'll probably put a patch. Which is a patch on where you can also plant a flag if you get upset if you come in there and beat him. Yeah. But yeah, I like the Vikings in this game. And I do think the Falcons are in deep, deep trouble, especially because the way they lost that Chargers game.

Their defense finally showed up and had a great game, and their offense completely let them down. I don't know. I feel like it's slowly, the air is coming out of the balloon for the Falcons. And it is Kirk Cousins' revenge week, but talking to Kirk, he doesn't seem, well, he made it seem like he gets into psycho Kirk mode, but I don't see a revenge game from Kirk. I see a turn-the-other-cheek game from Kirk.

Yeah, it sounded like when we did talk to him that the Commanders game would be more of a revenge game. Yeah, and really, what does Kirk have to be upset about? Like, a revenge game for paying me hundreds of millions of dollars? Living an awesome life, the fans loving me? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, next up, Browns at Steelers. Steelers minus 6.5, over-under is 46. Have you guys watched any of the hard knocks? I saw clips of it. I watched the first part of it the other night. I...

love Mike Tomlin more than anyone I think in the NFL right now it's crazy how awesome he is he is just he gets in front of a room and I you just get pumped up and then he was sitting watching tape there was this clip where he's sitting watching tape he's got his feet up on the on the desk he's eating uh

uh, chili cheese Fritos, which are elite. And he's just like, yeah, we gotta, we gotta get physical with them. They got a, he said some clip like he might this running back here for the Bengals. He doesn't know your name today, but he better know your name on Monday. And I was just like, yes, let's go. Yeah. So yeah, he's the best. I like all the coach speaks. Like when they get up in front of the team, they're like this, this NFL schedule has been designed for,

to crush you. He's been designed to defeat you. And then, was it Stefanski or was it Zach Taylor that was like, you guys want to be in the playoffs? Stefanski. He's like, you're already in. Congrats, you're in the playoffs. That's exactly what you say to a team that you know is not going to be very good. Yeah. Like, congrats guys, we made the playoffs because it's week one and everybody's in the playoffs. Yeah. But Tomlin, man, he just...

I get it. I've obviously started to realize it, but I now fully, fully get it in the fact that watching him in front of a room... He opened up his house for the whole team for Thanksgiving. I like that. He's like, if anyone needs a place to go, come over to my house. And yeah, his big thing was either you're thriving or surviving.

If you're just surviving, figure out a way to thrive. The league will figure you out. Yeah. It's great. Makes me feel like I'm in a locker room. Yeah. And then Jameis doing practicing cadences with no shoes on in the quarterback's room was pretty awesome. He's the best. It's good. The AFC North Hard Knocks is very good. As for this game, fun fact, which I think I just memory hold because the Browns went and won a playoff game in Pittsburgh.

But the Cleveland Browns have not won a regular season game in Pittsburgh since. Anyone got a guess? Baker? Miles Garrett? Give me a quarterback and a year if you can. Baker 2020. No. The Browns have lost. Mason Rudolph assault. No. Yeah, that's what I was going for when I said Miles Garrett. The last time. Virgin win. The last time the Cleveland Browns have won a regular season.

I got it. Bang! 2003. That's crazy. 20 years. Because they won in the playoff game, so it doesn't feel like that. Yeah. Isn't that insane? Is that a COVID playoff game? That was the COVID playoff game. That was Stefanski. He was in his basement. Yeah, that's right. Isn't that nuts? Yeah, that's very depressing. I don't know how much you can count a COVID playoff game. Oh, also... No, we got to give that. Come on, Hank. Yeah, it was late. They had fans there. Probably first responders in the stadium.

It was weird, but I'm going to count it. You got it. You hate Cleveland. Is that true, Hank? No, I did. There was a guy, and I think he was being serious. And so hosting this show, we get a lot of fan bases that claim that we hate them. We started to get a taste of the Joe Buck life. For the first time, there was a Browns fan that accused me directly. He's like, PFT, you've always hated the Cleveland Browns.

And that, to me, is like the last fan base that I would have expected that from. That one's weird. It's weird, right? I've gotten a couple weird ones. I think it's because, like, in the Baker-Brown split up, I dedicated. What do you mean? Memes? Yeah, memes. I agree with the Browns fan. That I hate the Browns? Yeah. I just took Baker's side. I said you should have kept Baker when they did it. Any anti-PFT memes is agreeing with. Yeah, memes hates me right now. For the record, I don't hate memes. I love memes.

I also love memes. So in that 20 years since the Browns have last won a regular season game in Pittsburgh, the Browns have only beaten the Steelers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 8 times in the regular season total. So it's been...

Hammer and nail. And also coming off a very public win against the Steelers in primetime. Yeah. Very emotional win. Reverse. I feel like this is prime for a Tomlin shit-kicking. Alex Highsmith is back. But I do hate the Browns. Yeah, you do. You do hate the Browns. I don't think the Browns are going to quit, but...

but because of Jameis, but this is, we are on quit watch for some teams right now. Yeah. Like this is definitely the part of the season. Also, did you guys see, wait, so back to that real quick. What's the, that Browns fan saying that you hate the Browns. Definitely one of the weirdest. I was trying to think which one I had.

I can't remember, but there's always a stray one where it's like, what are you talking about, dude? Yeah, I think sometimes we don't realize it because we just talk, and we say a stray comment can really affect somebody. I get it as a fan. What memes? Vikings fans think you guys hate them. Oh, I do hate the Vikings, but that's because they're in the NFC North. I don't hate the Vikings at all. Dolphins, Raiders. Those are the ones I remember seeing. No, I'm saying I remember people. No, not for me.

The Raiders we did on purpose when we didn't remember we didn't do them for fastest two minutes. Yeah. Yeah. That was all of 2019. Maybe. I also just want to say if you pick against the team, that doesn't mean you hate the team. Like that's someone's got to cover the spread. Unless it's me and the Browns. Unless it's you and the Browns. Very personal. And you are taking the Steelers. I just said this is Mike Tomlin shit kicking. Yeah. Did you see Mike Tomlin's quote about Joey Porter getting flagged six times? He said, when we play Shaq, we're going to use our fouls. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, well, all right, so this week they've got Land Clark officiating. Oh. You know Land? And his crew, they like to throw a lot of pass interference flags. That should be a stat for the offense and for the defense too. Yeah. And actually not a bad stat for the defense because if you commit pass interference, it means that your quarterback was in position to make a play. True. But it should be a good stat for the – like what quarterbacks –

out there right now i i feel like russ would not be a bad pass interference quarterback with the moon balls no he would be good yeah you're right if you got if you got late hands getting them up there yeah although joey porter joey porter he does get well the sealers might be very good at drawing offensive pass interference and also very bad at committing defensive pass interference true i'm i'm backing it on believing on the sealers it's great this team makes no sense to me because i they're good but like i also don't

I'm going to need Russell Wilson to win another Super Bowl for me to say he's not washed.

Is he back in the Hall of Fame? He might be. He might be. Should we leak our news? It's also hard for... Oh, yeah, let's leak our news in a second. It's hard. I don't know if you guys struggle with this as well. It's very difficult for me to make a quick transition on a team on what I expect from them. I don't expect the Steelers to score a lot of points and have explosive plays. They clearly can do that with this offense, but my brain is not caught up, and it probably won't catch up for like four to five years. Yeah.

We talked about this with RG3 a little bit, but do you know what I'm saying? That you can get a vibe for the Steelers offense today

pretty early in the game just on how fast Najee Harris looks. Just on the eyeball test. His first run, is he doing the slow two-footed hop to the side and get tackled for one yard? Or is he breaking it to the outside and hitting the hole hard? If he hits the hole hard on the first run, I feel like that's instantly Steelers offense will be good that day. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, you want to bleep it? Well, let's bleep it out. Can we bleep this out? What are you going to say, Max?

Do you think that there's any chance of a divisional look-ahead game for the Steelers? No, because this is a game in the division. No, that's what I'm saying. Like, next week, they go to Philly, play the Eagles, play the three-win Browns. That's not in their division. Why are we talking about the Eagles right now? Wait, so what would be the look-ahead? That the Steelers are looking towards the Eagles next week. No, because they just lost to the Browns. And they're in the division.

It was a prime time loss. And also, if you watch Hard Knocks, they all take a lot of pride in division games. I didn't watch Hard Knocks. Okay. You don't watch football during the week. I'm going to watch tonight. Okay. Are you sure you can do it? What is it on?

What? Our knowledge. It's on HBO. HBO. Max. It's literally on your app. Yeah. Who asked that? Someone asked that question the other day. I think it was Che. Oh, yeah. That was a stupid question. That was a stupid question. So should we leak this news? Yeah. But maybe let's just bleep out the second part of this guy's name. All right.

Hold on. I want to read this too because I actually was too busy today that I saw it, but I didn't process it. But go ahead. I'm going to read along. Okay. So me and Big Cat got a text today from a guy at Barstool named Jersey. Bleep out the second part of that so they can't figure out who it is. He has been contacted by a representative from Russell Wilson.

And he said, I was a day one believer. Everybody counted him out. I defended him. I'm so happy he's a Steeler. He's done so much in a short time. And the representative was very happy that Jerry was out there defending Russ and

Jerry sent us a screen grab of this and said, oh my God, guys, don't leak this yet. And I was confused what he meant by don't. What does he not want us to leak? That he's friends, that he's DMed with Russell Wilson's manager? Yeah. And he said, well... Don't leak this. And I said, leak what? He said, this thread. I'm going to ask for a meet and greet with Russie. Is that too fast? And I said, what would we leak? And he says, the thread, Eric, the messages. This is massive for me. And an update...

This person said, have you met Russ yet? I want to make it happen. And then Jerry says, no, I want to so bad with three exclamation points. Also, I'm looking at this first time. Jerry, he's heartened too many messages. Yeah. So I hearted every single one of her messages. I said, are you hearting every message? He said, yeah. Is that too much? It might be too much. He might be a little strong. It might be because there's, I think, five messages from this person. He's hearted all of them.

Yeah, big one. Why?

Well, because the meeting is set up. It's getting set up, but I don't want to ruin the chance of that. No, it's all positive stuff. If anything, this will actually make it like this person can't back out now because if they back out, it's like, hey, what did you do to Jerry? I think you're actually right. Yeah. To steal a play from Providence Twitter, this is hashtag the meet and greet. Yeah. What are you meet and greeting him?

That's up to her, but I think it's going to be sooner rather than later. Jerry, one thing I noticed, why are you spelling it M-E-A-T and greet? But if I do do the meet and greet, I want like full access. What does full access mean? Like all access, like pre, post, whatever.

Pre-post? Pre-game, post-game, game-worn something, gloves or cleats or something. Why don't we start with just meeting him? Good. That'd be fair. Okay, that's fair. Now, what dates are you looking at? She's the one looking at the dates. All right, but you can't miss streaming. Yeah, we're going to figure everything out, D. Okay, all right. But it's been leaked, but that's okay. Put pressure on him.

Yeah, there you go. Russie Riders. Russie Riders. Jerry, who do you like this weekend? Do you like them to cover? Steelers or Browns? I think they win by 25. Oh, wow. Okay. All right. Thanks, Jerry. See ya. You got it. All right. Bye. All right. The meet and greet and pre and post should be a lecker. Yeah. That was crazy that Max tried to bring in the Eagles for this. He's always bringing up Philly sports. I'm just...

I want the Steelers to win because we play them next week. They will. But I don't want that. That is my worry, and I don't think it's that bad of a take. Okay, next game. You know what? Before I say the next game, I'm going to give a trivia. Let's see who can get it. Who leads the NFL in receptions this year? Adam Thielen. He's been hurt for so much of the year, Hank.

PFT? This shocked me. I got it wrong, so don't feel bad if you get it wrong. I got it wrong when I saw it. Is it Garrett Wilson? It is not Garrett Wilson. Any guests in the booth? Memes is a good one. Brock Bowers? It is Brock Bowers. Memes knows ball. Brock Bowers, and so we're going to do Raiders at Bucs, Bucs minus 6.5 over under 46. Brock Bowers is first in receptions. He's fourth in yards.

I know that it will go to a quarterback, but Brock Powers is the best tight end in the NFL. He should win rookie of the year. I disagree. I understand why you have to disagree. I just, in principle, have to disagree. I understand why you have to disagree. But you see what I'm saying? He is literally the best player at his position in the NFL as a rookie. It's also the fact that the Raiders don't really have anything else. Correct. So their opponents know that they have to get him the ball no matter what. And they have not great quarterbacks throwing him the ball. And they're still getting him the ball. He's that good.

It's an insane season. Do you think the fact that he literally doesn't look like a rookie? Maybe. In and out of his helmet? Maybe. That has something to do with it? It's like, oh, this guy is basically like a BYU player playing against other guys. I was just trying to figure out ways to talk about the Raiders without being a big bummer. Yeah. And Brock Bowers is that. Brock Bowers is awesome. Yeah, he's incredible. Do we think Mike Vrabel is going to be the next coach of the Raiders? No, because I think he's going to the Bears. I think he might be the next coach of the Raiders. Brady. Brady.

Yeah. The Brady Connect. Doesn't it feel like that maybe?

I have no idea how the coaching shit's going to play out. I think the Bucs will probably win this game, though, and maybe cover it. Because it does feel like the Raiders, that was everything on their season against the Chiefs. Yeah, everything's going good for them right now. Everything's looking good if you're a Bucs fan. Yeah. I know it was close against the Panthers. And Baker's banged up. Baker's banged up. He hasn't played great in the last couple games. But Mike Evans had that sick catch. He did. Also, why would you replace a former defensive stud player's

coach with a former defensive stud players coach because mike rabel's a really good coach and antonio pierce who we like maybe isn't is that fair answer i guess if you're going based off i mean antonio pierce is one i i know the team is bad but i think mike rabel's a better coach than antonio pierce yeah antonio pierce would be so pissed off if a patriot took his job yeah he would

Maybe Jets, too. I saw there was a Jets-Mike Vrabel conversation. That should happen. I did see that. He wants control of the GM choice, and then he would consider. So he wants to pick the GM. He wants control, and he doesn't care what Bill Belichick thinks about Woody Johnson. That's what the report was. I mean, that's smart to demand control.

I don't think he's going to come here. No. I think he might be the Raiders head coach. So, wait, does Vrabel, he says that he wants control over who the GM will be or he wants control over personnel? That's what the tweet was. He wants to choose the GM so they're on the same page. Got it. Okay. Got it. Yeah, the Bucs. I think Monday morning we're at the Bucs from the NFC South, top of the NFC South. We get a pirate off in this game. Yeah. Yeah.

Big time. I like the Bucs. Yeah. Okay. Panthers at Eagles. Eagles minus 12 and a half over under 46. I'll say it. I think this is if the Eagles have to win this game by a lot for me to take them for real. How much is a lot? They have to cover. If I want to take them for real, this is kind of a huge game. Trust tree. Yeah. I said the look head thing because I'm worried about it.

You're looking ahead. But it's not divisional. I know, but then I added a divisional thing because I thought that made sense and it honestly made it worse. No, it was the opposite. It was the opposite. It was dumb, but that was me projecting. That was me projecting my own insecurities. Max, would you ever think playing against the Giants, you would look ahead if you had the Steelers? No, but yes. Honestly, yes. Max, can I make you feel better about this game? Because I think the Eagles are going to kill them.

But everyone thinks the Eagles are going to get one. But no, I actually disagree. I think there's like... The Panthers have covered a couple games in a row, so people are kind of like wise to the Panthers aren't as bad as they used to be. The Eagles' defense is elite. They're top five in total defense. They're also top five in run defense, which the Panthers are going to want to try to do, which they won't be able to do. And then the Panthers' run defense is 31st in DVOA. I think...

This could be the game that Nick Sirianni goes video game controller and tries to get Sequel on the MVP. That would be elite. That would be awesome for me. I actually think we should contemplate for our TD parlay. Sequel on two? Sequel on two. The problem with that is if this goes according to plan for the Eagles, it's going to be a blowout.

And then Barkley might not stay in the game. But I think they're going to. I'm not basing this off anything, but I'm just taking a guess. Could we potentially see instead of the

the tush push at goal line Saquon trying to get some TDs fake tush push no or just Saquon just running the ball normally and scoring that way because the Panthers defense but I'm just saying like the fake tush push where they fake it and then pitch it to Saquon going to the outside okay but it's just like that like Saquon his his numbers are there maybe needs a couple more TDs because Jalen Hurts has vultured some so they might just pump them up a little bit this week

Max, do you think that the tush push is getting back to pre-post-Kelsey levels of effectiveness? No. There was a couple weeks where it was bad, but that was because Jordan Mailata wasn't there because Jalen Hurts always goes towards Jordan Mailata's side. With Mailata back, it's still elite. Just as effective.

I feel like you have some sort of stat to tell me that it's not. No, no, this is not a trick question at all. I'm just curious to know, like... I think it's, like, 90% as effective with Jordan Mailata. Does it still give you, like, that same rush that you used to get? I mean, I still have zero... I still get just as excited if we're third and one or fourth and one. You wouldn't be more excited if it was Jason Kelsey? It really... I still kind of have that... You're just having me put bad tape out there right now for when it does get fucked up, but I still have...

95% of the comfortability that I did last year when it's fourth and one. I'm not worried. 95? Of last year. I've realized what it is with Max when he gets stuck in his senses, in his own brain. It's because he is actively thinking about whether or not his answer is going to give us something to make fun of him for later. But he doesn't realize that no matter what his answer is,

Sometimes we just have conversations, Max. Because like 95%, that seems like that's pretty good. But there's also 5% where that could be game of inches. Ever heard of that? Yeah. I get skeptical every single time you guys want to talk to me. 95%. I think you're out to get me. 95% is a very high number, too. He's just nodding his head. Yeah.

I thought you were looking at Hank when you were looking at me. Meme's reactions are so funny in this episode. Here, Max, I got a good stat for you. Teams off overtime are 44% against the spread over the last decade. So 44% against spread's bad, and the spread's 12.5. So even if the Panthers cover, the Eagles can still win comfortably.

Eagles are going to win this game, Max. I would love to be 45% against the spread, by the way. Yeah, me too. Oh, my God. You said that, and I was like, that seems kind of good. That's basically making money. This is non-NBA Cup division. Yeah. Max, you're going to win this game. Yeah, no, I think we're going to win. I'm just worried it's going to get... I just don't want them to get cute. Yeah. I don't want them to get cute. Win every game, especially because I could see... We're taping after this...

The Lions just lost. The Eagles are playing for the... You're so bad at this, Matt. You did so good for a little bit. I know. That's just wishful thinking. And now this is going to be the part that... Whatever. Yeah.

But, like, if the Eagles are... Like, they have to beat the Panthers for the one seed, it's like, oh, Eagles, one seed, done. Lock it in. And then it's like, oh, my God, we finally have a chance to be the one seed, and then we lose to the fucking Panthers. So Baldiani, undefeated after he shaved his head, is he going to reshave his head, or is it just, like, this new hair, whatever's growing in his good that's winning hair? No, he just got to... He has to keep...

until he loses again then he goes Baldiani again got it okay so every loss bald you restart and I another thing that I've been worried about for the past couple weeks is Hank keeps saying it when are we getting the NFL makes no sense game could

Could have been the Raiders on Black Friday. Yeah. Like, I'm worried that the Eagles are going to get one of these. NFL makes no sense. Here's maybe your answer. What if we have already hit our, like, full of it? We had so many in September and October. Raiders over Ravens. Remember the first, like, four weeks where it was just every single week there'd be, like, an eight-point dog that would lose outright?

Or eight-point favor to lose outright? This was a crazy year for the survivor pools. Correct. It's also kind of late in the season for those games. I agree that it might have just passed. I don't know, but you said it, and I've been thinking about it ever since. As soon as you said NFL makes no sense game, I've been worried it's going to be coming to me. We did get one two weeks ago. What was that? It was me. Yeah, but it's still like... It was like an 11-point spread. But it's also like... What? It's also what? It's also what? What?

I mean, it's not like a storied franchise. Okay, put it in the bulletin board. Don't the Commanders have more Super Bowls than the Eagles? Yeah, we do. Three times? How many do you have? I think it's three times. Were you alive for any of them? Yes, I was. Three times more? Were you? Yeah. Fucking oldest shit. I was alive for two of them. Okay, Saints and Giants.

Giants minus four and a half over under is 41. Giants haven't covered in seven straight games. Yeah, there's a lot of depressing stats out there about the Giants. This game is not. This is going to suck. Because no Taysom Hill to me just means that the Saints are back to just a lot of Derek Carr. Yeah, too much Derek Carr. Too much Derek. I like a little bit of Derek Carr. Oh, I do too. Sprinkle him in there. But you also have to have the crazy Taysom Hill plays where it makes you excited as a viewer to watch. But we're not even going to get that.

There is a storyline, big storyline. I'm going to do the PFT guaranteed graphic of the week that they will show at some point during the game. Darren Rizzi and Brian Dable, both on the staff of the 2011 Dolphins together. Wow. So they'll show the coach's picture from that staff. That's as exciting as this game is going to get. Are either Darren Rizzi or Brian Dable going to be head coaches next year?

I think over under a half. I'd take the over. I think I might take the under. I think it's going in the wrong direction for the Giants right now. I think they might clean the hole. He's a good coach, but I think this is a quick game. Yeah. This is a quick game for sure. Although Drew Locke is playing for a contract, I guess. Ish. Is that good, though?

Yeah, he might try too hard. Yeah. And I don't think the Saints are very good. Yeah, this game stinks. Bad game. This is going to be a bright, sunny day in New York, and it's going to be cold as fuck. And the Meadowlands, that stadium gets brighter in the sun and the cold than any other stadium. Yep, you're absolutely right. Okay, next game, the...

Jaguars at the Titans. Titans minus three over under is 40. So if the Jaguars lose this game, they will remain with the first pick. This might be the NFL makes no sense game of the week.

What, that they're just playing it and putting it on TV? Yeah, you're going to be watching and be like, what is this? Yeah. None of these plays make sense. Do you think there's any... First of all, Aziz Alshair doing the Joker memes and being like, if you want me to be your villain, I'll be your villain. See you soon. It's like, no, dude, we just want you to not concuss a quarterback when he's sliding. Yeah. That was an interesting thing. And people obviously ran with the whole Trevor Lawrence out four weeks and Aziz Alshair's only suspended for three weeks. Yeah.

Like, yeah, no duh, suspension's not going to be as long as an injury sometimes. Yeah, that's kind of how it works. Yeah, like, what are we talking about? Yeah, I do like the fact that he's making himself the villain. Yeah. But he's literally doing I Can't Exist. Yeah. And so I'm just going to go Joker on you. You should get an Aziz Al-Shahir jersey. Or just get your face painted like the Joker. Actually, this question's for you, Hank. I've been thinking about betting the Jaguars in this game.

And the reasoning behind it is, is there a chance Mac Jones is like, hey, if I want to stick in the league, I got to throw at least one good game out there.

I've been on that train past couple weeks, and I don't think that's possible. I'm sure he's thinking that. Yeah, no, he's trying to do that, but it might not happen or be able to happen. It might not physically be possible. No, I don't think it is. Okay. Yeah. So you know Ladd McConkie, he is the lead leaguer in rookie receptions as a wide receiver. Brian Thomas is 50 yards away from that. So Brian Thomas Jr. is having a great season for the Jaguars, and I feel like if you get him the ball...

then the offense can look average for the Jaguars at times. Average. The Titans kind of quit last week, too. Yeah, they did. And I think that that's another quit game where both teams are eligible to quit. Actually, you know what I might do in this game? Man, it's stupid because it's a divisional game. I was going to say, what if I might just bet like,

adjusted line Titans minus nine and a half and Jaguars minus nine and a half and be like, hope one of the teams quits. Yeah. One of the two will, uh, this is interesting. Mac Jones stat here, uh, in his two starts this year, the Jaguars didn't reach double digits. So I don't know if he's capable of breaking out. Yeah. It sounds like he's not capable. Uh, last early slate game jets at dolphins, dolphins minus five and a half over under 45, uh,

I'm excited for your for Enigma. No to see how Aaron Rodgers responds. So we have a Aaron Rodgers chip on a shoulder game. He

He was calling out the owner subtly in the press conference this week. When he was saying, like, I shouldn't have to prove myself? Yeah. He said, yeah. He said someone asked, like, is this prove it last five weeks? He says, that's ridiculous. With all due respect, they want me to stay fantastic. If it takes them five games, maybe they don't know what I bring to the table. That being said, I'd love to play really frigging well the last five games.

Yeah, so I'm interested to see if he actually has greatness in him. I don't. And if he could sling it. Right. As a football fan. He also just redid his house in New Jersey, he said. So my Giants take could still be. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That could happen. Did Ulbricht say anything about Rodgers maybe not being the quarterback?

No, he said he's our quarterback. He's our quarterback? Also, don't people redo their houses right before they're about to sell it? True. Yeah, wait. If it's remodeling the bathroom and the kitchen, then that's to increase value of the home. Do we know our rooms? We don't know our rooms. Do you want them to win?

I don't want them to win. I want them to play well. That's a perfect answer. The Jameis loss. That's what I want. You want Rodgers to throw for over 300 yards if she hasn't done in like three years, and you want the Jets to lose. Jets to lose. Alan Lazard's coming back. He's an Alan Lazard merchant. Yep. So I think the offense should sling it. No Sauce Gardner, though?

No sauce. Uh, the defense probably get run out all over. Yeah. I was going to say no sauce Gardner against the dolphins. Offense is tough. Yeah. I think it's gonna be a high score game. Uh,

I got to give credit to it. Did you guys see his quote? Yeah. It was very cool. Most guys wouldn't do that, but he was asked how surprised he is by the team's 5-7 record. He said, nobody else will say it but me. I feel like this has a lot to do with myself, obviously putting myself in harm's way in the second game, basically leaving my guys out to dry.

That's a lot of accountability. Yeah, because nobody wants to be like, if he didn't get concussed, we would be better, and he needs to be better at not being concussed for us to win. But yeah, there's times where you can avoid hits and try to. I think it's good for him to say. Yeah, I do too. So we're going to root for a good Aaron Rodgers performance. Good Aaron Rodgers performance. Jets also haven't beat Tua. So there's your stat for the day. Have the Jets won since you said that Aaron Rodgers is top five in everything?

Maybe. I think it was after the Texas game before. Yeah, it was. It was after a Thursday before Sunday. It feels like you're really attacking memes here, Big Cat. I'm not. I'm just asking questions. He's just a solid Jets fan. He's been through a lot of shit. He's trying to find silver lining. We should applaud this optimism. He's patronizing you. We should applaud this optimism from you. He's patronizing you. He is patronizing you. I'm not patronizing you. I like your take memes that just have Rodgers show that he has some life but lose the game.

That's it. Show you're still good at football. Don't go outside. Right. Are you going to be watching his Netflix special? Yeah, I think so. Nice. Some more torture for yourself.

There's never been a bigger dumpster fire of a team that's provided as much documentation of how things are falling apart as the Jets have recently. That's what makes it feel even more mean and pointed, where it's like a normal bad team you can turn your head away from, but with the Jets, they're like, well, you have to consume all this brand new content that we have coming out. You hear what this guy's saying, Meebs? I'm hearing it. Meebs, if you had to kill me, what method would you choose? Uh...

Max wants explosion. Yeah, bomb. Not a big murderer. I feel like you'd poison him. It's a small murderer. That's what chicks do. Yeah. Chicks poison. Maybe just beat his brain to pulp. Memes already has released his playbook on death. It's explosion. I just have a feeling memes might show up dressed in all black with a mask and a backpack on, and that happens. Avenge me. Memes, don't do this to PFT, okay?

Nothing about it. Okay. All right. Afternoon games. We got three. Sucks. We have three again. Seahawks at Cardinals. But again, last bye week. Seahawks at Cardinals. Cardinals minus three over under 44 and a half. So I don't know what to do with this game. Mike McDonald had a baby on Tuesday. That's good. I think that's good for a coach. Might give you too much perspective, though. Yeah. The Seahawks defense has gotten better, but...

According to my guys at Sports Info Solutions, they rank as the second worst defense in success rate allowed for the year against play action. Okay. Cardinals can run play action. And I also just feel like it's one of those situations where the Cardinals lost a game to the Seahawks two weeks ago, three weeks ago. Revenge spot, Seahawks. Sorry, Cardinals. Cardinals. Cardinals because they lost in Seattle. Yeah. The Seahawks, they've beaten the Cardinals six in a row.

Wow. Yeah. And so far as the head coach, Jonathan Gannon hasn't beaten the Seahawks. He's 0-3 against the Seahawks. Okay. But the Seahawks are a very strange team where week to week you have no idea what's going to happen.

I like the Cardinals and I like it low scoring. I do too. Maybe a little just heavy Conor running game. Yeah. This might be like the James Conner three touchdown game. Without a dog in the fight, I want the Cardinals to win just because I want the NFC West to be a clusterfuck all the way to the last game of the season. We have no idea. Yeah, yeah. By the way, breaking moves. Do-do-do-do-do-do.

Breaking news. Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tyreek Hill just had a baby girl. He'll now reportedly has 10 plus children in 30 years of life. Oh, wait, that's December 2nd. What does 10 plus mean? Yeah. How many is that? I don't know. I'm just reporting this tweet. When you said the other baby, the other baby thing triggered memes to say, show them this. So we should maybe bet Tyreek Hill.

But he has so many. He scores a lot of touchdowns. How many times has he scored on a baby bird? That's a great point. Maybe that's why he scores all those touchdowns. Somebody out there smarter than me figure out those facts. 10 plus. That's also not a number. Yeah, 10 plus. What's the number? That means at least 11. Does it? When you throw the plus in there, yeah. But if you...

Or is it just like that's the most babies that you can have? So you count each individual baby and then once you hit double digits, it becomes 10 plus. But you're betting on something on DraftKings and it's 10 plus. It could just be 10. 10 hits. 10 plus children. Maybe it's just an adjective like they're really awesome children. I mean, it's 10 plus children.

His sperm are just as fast as he is. Close to a whole team. All right. Afternoon game number two, Bills at Rams. Rams plus three and a half over under 49 and a half. This is a very important game for the Rams. They need to win this game. Otherwise, they're in trouble. Also, just a shout out, Sean McDermott and Josh Allen. If the Bills win this game,

Sean McDermott will be the fifth. That'll be his fifth straight 11 win season. The only coaches to do that are Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, Andy Reed, and Tom Landry. Pretty good company. Yeah, really good. That's Bill Belichick with Tom Brady. That's Tony Dungy with Peyton Manning. That's Andy Reed with Patrick Holmes. That's Tom Landry with, you know, Roger Staubach. That's pretty good company. Yeah, it's really good. He's been an elite regular season coach. I like the bills in this. I think.

I think the Bills are a better team than they've been given credit for all year and getting Matt Milano back on defense and showing some of that up. I really, really like the Bills this season. I think that they're kind of a slept-on team. I agree. Hank, Rams in the Hungry Dog? Yeah. Yeah. But that game. Yeah. Why is that? Travel? Travel. I just think this is – I don't know if the Rams can win this game, but three and a half, I –

The Rams have to win this game. It's the kitchen sink game. Sean McVay throwing everything at the wall. Yeah, the kitchen sink game. Didn't factor that in. He's 1-0 in those. When I say the Bills are slept on, obviously nobody out there thinks that the Bills are a bad football team. They all think that they're a very good football team. I think that they're a great football team. No, no. The narrative going into the season was rebuilding year. So now we're in December and they're vying for the one seed. Respect the fact that they rebuilt kind of on the fly. Yeah, I think they're a great team and they're having a great season.

Micah Hyde's back. It's going to tell me a lot. That's what it is for the Bills. It's going to tell me a lot about you, Bills, this weekend. Tell me a lot. Are you for real? Are you for real? Tell me, are you for real? Okay.

Also, Stafford has an ankle sprain, so we'll see what happens to that. But I'm sure he'll be fine. He's a gamer. The Rams picked up Emmanuel Forbes off waivers, who was released by the Commanders. Did you see the video of him? No. He gets skinnier every single day. It's actually insane how tiny this guy is. Can we pull up the... Yeah, watch the video of him practicing with the Rams. Oh, he's already out there practicing? Yeah, he was on the field. Oh, my God. Yeah, he is very skinny. Look at that. Whoa. He looks like an alien, doesn't he?

Yeah, that's – I think it's also because of the helmet. Oh, he's got the guardian cap on. Yeah, definitely. But no, he looks very skinny. He should never wear a guardian cap. He looks very skinny. I could run over him. Yeah. All right, Bears, 49ers. 49ers minus 3.5 over under is 44. I think this is going to be a Thomas Brown bump game. I'm down for an interim coach bump game. Yeah. Do you know anything about him that would make him a great interim coach? I think he's just a fiery guy. Yeah.

He also has lost 22 pounds since November 12th. He said it's because he's gotten so busy. Okay. He's gotten two job promotions. He said if you increase tasks to your day, you forget about food. I don't know if he's traditionally... He's not a huge guy, but...

It's more how much everyone hated Matt Eberflus. Yeah. Which, by the way, we should give one compliment to Matt Eberflus. Cairo Santos was asked about Matt Eberflus, and he said he made the grass at Soldier Field amazing, which he did. He did after the 49ers game two years ago when it was that monsoon. He had them change the grass.

at Soldier Field, and it's been significantly better since. So Matty Ruffalo's great legacy. Yeah, you can't tell the story. Once the Bears win multiple Super Bowls, you'll have to give credit to Matty Ruffalo. But that's a hell of a quote to have your kicker be like, hey, say something nice about the coach that just got fired. Yeah, like, dude, he changed the grass. It's cool. Well, also, the kicker saying that is a little different than if it was a lineman saying it. He made it good for kicking. Yeah, yeah. I also...

Are you trying to impress Kyle Shanahan this week? Well, Florio did do a fan fiction. He did. And I liked it. Which you've adopted for him. And I read it. Yeah, I've totally adopted it. Are you kidding me? I mean, I've been thinking about it for a while now, but I'm totally in on this. And Kyle Shanahan did do a press conference where he just said, Caleb Williams is as talented as there is. And he was born to play the position. So, yeah, I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. Are the Niners just bad?

Yeah, they're bad. They might be just bad. They're just bad this year. We just got to accept the fact that they're just not good. Yeah, they're bad. Their offense doesn't look great. Can't score in the red zone. Defense isn't what it was at all. Yeah. Just completely different team right now. Yeah. Also, a little update on what the Walls reported last September. Oh, yeah? Chris McCaffrey posted on Instagram that he's looking forward to returning and playing better than ever. So he's back next year. Hmm.

Not just this year. He's back next year. So that's as much of a non-retirement as you can get. Yeah. He's not retiring. Not even close. Not even close to retiring. Okay. Last game. Sunday Night Football. Chargers at Chiefs. Chiefs minus four. Over under 43. Did you see Harbaugh give away the lunch pails? It's such a blue-collar guy. Just love it.

I unfortunately think this is the Chiefs' spot. So the lunch pails, they said, what, Stalwart was on one of them? Stalwart, yeah. That's a Harbaugh word. That is a Harbaugh word. Harbaugh read that in like a Hemingway novel and was like, I'm putting that on there. Yeah, Stalwart. Ladd-McConkie might not be playing in this game, which that is a very significant injury for the Chargers offense that is...

limited to begin with. Yeah, so his knee and his shoulder is fucked up. Yeah. Harbaugh was like, he went as long as he could go. Yeah. And then he came out. Thank you for your service, Lad. Yeah, the Chargers, when Lad McConkie's targeted, is .55 EPA per play, and when he's not

That's pretty significant. Yeah. We'll see what happens with the Chargers defense and this Chiefs offensive line, too. Well, DJ Humphreys might be playing for left tackle, which would be big for the Chiefs. But aren't we kind of like the conversation of the NFL makes no sense? Aren't we due for Chiefs flexing on people and being like, hey, we're not bad? A reverse makes no sense. Yeah. No? Maybe. Maybe. Maybe. Are they, though? Maybe.

I don't know. This is why we're having a preview. Are they good? I think they are. This has to be the Chargers. Why? Right. It has to be the Chiefs. It has to be the Chargers. But if it has to be the Chargers, there's any chance of the Chargers winning the Super Bowl. They have to win this game. No, they're going to get to play off anyway. But if they're going to win the Super Bowl, they have to win this game. Why? Because it's an ultimate test. Ultimate coach. You can fail a test and then still ace it later.

No, the Chargers don't win this game. Sounds like you have a Chargers not make the playoffs bet. No, I just have been brainwashed by you, even though I've pushed back. And then one time I'm like, all right, this has to be the Chargers. You're saying, yeah, I think the Chiefs blow them out. Yeah, I think it's... Look, I'm being honest.

I never said the Chargers were going to win every game. It's good to hear you be honest about the Chargers. I never said they were going to win every game. I don't know what you're doing here. What do you mean? I never said the Chargers were going to win every game the rest of the way. I think the Chiefs are going to win this game. But the whole thing is we've got to get to a good number. I understand. Once it gets to the playoffs, the Chargers have to win. We've got to win a game in the playoffs. Win a playoff game and we'll have a great number. And then we'll flex on Hank on our cash out. Wouldn't they be much more likely to win a playoff game if they won a game like this?

I don't think it matters. I think they're probably locked in to the spot they're in. I feel like you're trying to do some mind tricks right now, and I don't know what the story is. I'm being honest, and I think the Chiefs are going to win this game. I hope the Chargers win, unless I bet on the Chiefs. If they can't win a lunch pail game, then they're not winning shit. Where else can you go after the lunch pail? The hard hat? Yeah. He might even just get a jackhammer. Yeah, he's got a few more tricks in his bag.

I love the Chargers in this game. Fuck you. All right, let's do our picks. By the way, with the Chiefs, what are the chances of them trying to fix some of their offensive stuff by bringing B&B back?

Oh, yeah. Is that the perfect Andy Reid thing to do again? Yeah. Also, maybe the greatest agent press release ever by Eric P. Enemy's agent. He got fired from UCLA today, and his agent said, Eric and UCLA mutually parted ways today as previously planned.

I'm not owned. I like that. The conversation was, you're fired.

I agree. Yeah. They mutually agree. This was always the plan, dude. I was always going to not be here next year. It wasn't even a coaching gig, really. It was, I'm going to go help out my buddy. Yeah, my little brother. Yeah, if you look at his title, it wasn't offense coordinator. It was here to help out. Yeah, but you're exactly right. Special assistant Eric Bien-Ami. Yeah, they're going to bring him back. It's going to happen. Should we do a TD parlay first, and then we'll do our picks? Do we want to do the Saquon too?

I am... PFT's out. I'm out this week. I'm recusing myself from the touchdown bet. Well, you can pick Saquon and Big Cat can pick Saquon. Okay. Or I can pick Saquon.

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Two plus is only plus 180. All right, so we shouldn't do that. So we need conviction. It's me, Hank, and Max. Can we get some conviction? Can we get some conviction together, boys? Bijan. Okay. Max. I will go. I'm not going to lie. I thought PFT was going to go. I will go. This is no conviction. God damn it. You go, and I'll find conviction. Okay.

No, I'm going to do the last one. Are you going to do a late game? I want to do a late game. Sure. I can find a late game. No, I'm going to do a late game, so you do an early. Okay, fine. I'll do an early game. Tyrone Tracy. What are the odds? Plus 140. Okay. Someone's got to score. All right, I'll take Josh Allen. Yeah. All right, let's see what that. Tyrone Tracy is plus 140. Also, someone doesn't have to score. I know. That's exactly what Meme just said. Yeah. Yeah.

That's just not right. Yeah, well, in this game, I could see no score. So what are we going to do? Josh Allen is plus 100. Tyron Tracy is plus 140. Bijan is... Why don't you just do Saquon, dude? All right, fine. I'll do Saquon. We want to win, right? I'll do Saquon. I'll do Saquon. I'll do Saquon. We want to win. I'll do Saquon. Winning is the best part of this. Saquon. Okay, and then what's Hank's? Josh Allen. Bijan. Bijan. Oh, this will be fine.

Plus 415. Okay. As of now. Can change by the time this comes out. Okay. All right. So plus 415. All right. Let's do our picks. Who's up first? So last week we did... No, PFT. No, no, no. So PFT went first for the Thanksgiving pick, and then you went first right after for the snake. So do you want to pick first again, or does Hank? Wait, what? No, Hank would pick first. No, if I went first after, then I shouldn't go first. Okay, then Hank. Hank. I will take...

Um, what's the records are being big cat close. Uh, we're all, we're all bad. Big cat, 13, 14, Hank, 12, 14, one. The other cohosts, 11, 16. I will take the jets dolphins under 45. Okay. All right. I'm going to take the bangles minus five and a half. I'm going to take the jets dolphins over 45.

Oh, that's too bad. He was trying to leave that for me. He wanted me to go head-to-head with him. Sorry. You kind of fucked that up, dude. I'm going to take the Bucs minus 6.5. Bucs minus 6.5. All right, I'm going to take the Bears plus 3.5, and then I will take the Falcons-Vikings under 45.5. I'm going to take the Seahawks-Cardinals under 44.5. I'm going to take the Titans minus 3.0.

Against the Jags. I'm going to take the Brown Steelers over 43.5. And I will rock with Jim Harbaugh and the Los Angeles Chargers plus four. You love them. Good pick. Great pick, Memes, by the way. You love them. What was Memes' pick? He took the Brown Steelers over. Oh, nice. Love that pick. What? It was a good pick. I was going to take it. Patronizing. If I had a third pick, I would have voted for Obama a third time if I had a chance.

All right. You guys should just pick for each other for the rest of the week. Yeah, you guys should. Oh. Oh. No, that's not good for me. No, that would be great. I'd love to see PFT on a basher party. What is that supposed to mean? I don't know what that means. I don't know what it means either, but...

I said it. Yeah, you did say it. Sounded cool. All right, before we get to RG3, awesome interview with RG3, by the way. Fancy Fuckboys, this segment is brought to you by Body Armor, real hydration, real ingredients, packed with electrolytes, vitamins, and nothing artificial. Body Armor sports drink has a great tasting flavor like strawberry banana and blue raspberry. Not only do we hydrate with Body Armor, but some of the best athletes in the world do as well, like Christian McCaffrey, Joe Burrow, and Sabrina Ionescu. Get your say at Walmart or local grocery store near you.

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She just had a bad podcast episode, so... I disagree. I'm putting her on the bench. Yeah, rug pull. She's got to do a little better with the podcasting. She also might have started a cryptocurrency scam, did a rug pull. I don't even know how that shit works. Oh, a rug pull like what we did to my friend Maury in his wig shop. Yeah, exactly. Rug pull. My sleeper?

University of North Carolina. Yeah. Taheels. Beautiful school, beautiful campus. You can only root. This is what I love about this rivalry. You can only cheer for UNC or Duke no matter what. You can't split them up. Why were you saying that they're a great team?

I just think it's a great school, great program. It'd be a great place to end up. Oh, interesting. People sleep on UNC, and I'm just telling you, it's a great spot. You would look good in Carolina blue. Who wouldn't? Yeah. Great color. Yeah. House divided. Between Hank and Hank? Hank and Henry. Henry's Duke, right? Hank is UNC. David is Duke.

What? My father. David Duke. David, my father, went to Duke. Yeah, but David Duke. David Duke. Bad guy. Bad guy. Bad guy. Disavow. Is he a football player? No. Or a basketball player? Providence, but we're talking about the other guy. Yeah, the other guy. KKK. The other wizard. Not good. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh, what's up, fuckheads? This is Michael Thomas Anthony Vincent. Oh, what's up, Michael Thomas Anthony Vincent? MTV. MTV is what they call me. Uh, this week, I'm starting, uh, drug testing. Oh. Starting drug testing. Fuck. The NFL has just, uh, lowered the threshold for the amount of marijuana that can be in a player's system. So they're saying, hey, just don't over, just don't take a, a, a hero dose on weed and we won't get you in trouble. But they're also...

saying if you post a picture of your drug test on social media, you'll be fined $15,000. Yeah, that's bad. So we're not going to get those posts from guys that have great games out of nowhere and then take the picture and put them online and be like, oh, imagine that, random test. Yeah. My cool throne is super fans in the NFL. Not cool throne, my sit-em is super fans in the NFL.

Got it.

And then my sleeper this week, big time sleeper, I'm talking shorts. It is so cold outside. It is unreal. It was zero degrees the other day. I went outside in my shorts to put the Christmas lights up. I almost froze to death. My balls up in my belly. Oh, in the belly. Belly ball. What's up, fuckers? It's Maxi Delenti. Hey, Maxi. My stardom this week is sandwiches. I make a mean sandwich. I made sandwiches for everyone.

Today, yesterday, tomorrow. Look at it on PMTV. Look at it on PMTV. Max's Deli. My sit-em is going to be the fake George McCaskey Twitter account that everyone's buying because he's got a blue checkmark. Stop tagging everyone in it. It's not really George McCaskey. I don't even think he knows how to work a phone, let alone the internet. And my sleeper is the Georgia Bulldogs because they banned Bevo from the SEC Championship game. That's fucked up. Yeah. Why? Why?

I don't know. Mad cow disease? What's ever happened between those two? Remember mad cow disease? Yeah. Remember that? That was wild. Yeah. There were a lot of rumors out there. You just ate meat and then you went crazy? Well, Danny Boy Kane, I think, had mad cow. No, he did not. Never. Never. Max, why don't you make us sandwiches once a week? I could do that. I'd be happy to fund it. Every other week. I'd be happy to fund it. Max making his sandwiches and tuning into PMTV.

It was basically like watching a kid with like a spinning toy where it's like a sensory, you know, like you need to have a sensory break. That was him like spreading the sauces and everything. He was just sitting there having the time of his life. They were really good sandwiches. I was concerned at how good they looked. Yeah. Like you really took your time dressing them up. Yeah, he did it. Did a great job. All right. Let's get to RG3. Awesome interview with RG3 in studio.

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Okay, we now welcome on a very special guest. He's a recurring guest. He's in studio. It is Robert Griffin III, Heisman winner, Rookie of the Year. And also, we got a beef that we got to settle. All right.

So, RG3 and I have gone back and forth. Actually, it's not even a beef because I was just wrong. Yeah, it's not a beef. So, I mean, I said it, but... That's big. So, you were saying that Caleb Williams, I think the beginning of it was you were like, Caleb Williams should try not to go to Chicago. Yeah.

In so many words. In so many words. In so many words. In so many words. I admit it, hand up. Obviously, I'm very defensive of everyone on the internet shitting on the Bears because it happens constantly. Right. But I was saying that he's walking into the best situation for a number one quarterback. And while I still think it might have been true for some of the players that are around him,

Yeah.

So, hand up. You were right. I was wrong. Victory lap. Would you like a victory lap? It's not a victory lap. That's what you say when you're taking a victory lap. Yeah. That's the best victory lap. Yeah, go for the victory lap. You deserve a victory lap. And I understand that. And I get it. When I say it's not a victory lap and then everyone comes and says, hey, RG, you just took a victory lap. I understand that. You deserve one. I think where I'm coming from with it is...

I wasn't... Honest to God, I was not trying to shit on the Bears. I know. Right? So when I came out and I said, Caleb Williams should pull an Eli Manning and tell the Bears he's not coming unless this happens. Yeah. Now...

The take that was out there was fully on, hey, coaching matters. Structure matters. You're looking at the Bears. You got – if Caleb comes in and they don't do anything with Iberflues, he'll be the third quarterback in a row that had a hot seat coach, and then now he's working on his second coach and his third coordinator in his second year. So from that sense, yes, I was right. But I wasn't rooting for the Bears to fail. I just wanted them to make a decision on Iberflues. Yeah.

I did too. Because I know you were a big advocate for them to move on from him. Yeah. Right after the season, I was like, get rid of him. And then this season, obviously, I was like, this is terrible. Get rid of him. And I'd probably say 90% of the fan base also wanted to get rid of him. Yes. And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, in this new age of quarterback, right? In this new age of NIL, transfer portal, player empowerment. LeBron James started in the NBA. It's trickling in all the other leagues.

If you're a quarterback like Caleb, like Shadur coming out, and you have the power to tell a team, I need you to make a decision on your coach. So I was just saying, extend him. If you're going to keep him, extend him so that the team knows that he's their guy. I think they did secretly extend him under the wraps. Yeah. So here's my question to that. And again, you were absolutely right because it was a debacle what Matt Eberflus and Shane Waldron did. And I was...

I was hyper defensive because I spent whatever it was, six months of like every national media being like, Caleb Williams wants ownership of the Bears. Caleb Williams should try to trade out. You know what I mean? I saw that. I saw that. So, but...

Here's my question. If you are Caleb Williams and you do that, what is the narrative then? Is it like, hey, is this guy a diva? Correct. He's trying to get a coach fired before he's even showing up. Correct. How does that work? So for me, it wasn't about him getting him fired. The Bears had already made a decision that they were keeping Iberflues. So now it's like I'm having Courtney Cronin was a former colleague at ESPN, and she's telling me, well, you know, the Bears don't ever publicly announce anything.

when they give a guy an extension. That's just an organizational practice. But if you're going to do that, look what it did to Eber Flus in that locker room. When you've got, was it Jalen Johnson? Yeah. Going off on him, allegedly in the locker room after. No, that definitely happened. I wouldn't count that as going off. I would just count that as speaking his mind appropriately. But who's been speaking their mind the most of all the guys all year? It's been DJ Moore.

He's been so honest, like to a fault almost, in his post-game pressers. If you publicly extend Eberflus, every player in that locker room now knows he's not going anywhere. He's our guy. They left it in the balance.

So for me with Caleb Williams, all I was suggesting he do is say, I need to know what you're doing with the coach. Yeah. So I don't come into a situation where the structure is bad. And now he's going to be sitting there. Second head coach. Yep. Third offensive coordinator. And the structure is bad. And the structure is bad. And the organization is bad. And we don't have to belabor the point, but the thing that bothered me the most, like I root for guys. I root for teams. I know like me saying that kind of turned a lot of the Chicago bear fans off.

against me because they want their team to be successful. You want your team to be successful. I understand that. I didn't hold it against you. When you wrote that, I don't think I wrote back, but I didn't tear you down writing you back. It was like, I understand why you're frustrated. The thing that bothered me was the way that Ryan Poles handled it. Okay. Go ahead. No, I want to hear what you have to say because I feel like

From the outside, you... Go ahead. Give me your take. Yes. The way that they handled it, going on Pat McAfee's show, and when asked about it, saying it kind of pissed him off.

almost as if they weren't walking down the same street. They're walking down the yellow brick road to go see the Wizard of Oz that the last three organizational leaders had done. And for him to say it pissed him off because they're there to break the cycle. I'm like, well, I'm giving you my educated, not just throw something at the wall and see if it sticks. I've been through this. PFT knows this. I went through the structure portion of

why it matters in coaching and why it matters organizationally. So I'm giving my advice based off of GMs I've talked to, my own shared experience in the NFL, and it's not that they need to listen to me, but don't spit in my face and act like what I'm saying is so disrespectful to you. And, you know, I request from Pat McAfee the same time that you guys are giving me on here to be able to go up there and talk about

not just why I was right, but how the Bears can fix the issue moving forward. Yeah. And to me, that was just like, it pissed you off, you want to break the cycle? I want you to break the cycle, man. I'm not rooting against Caleb Williams. I'm not rooting against your team. I want the Bears to be successful. Otherwise, I'd have been

Doing victory laps all year. But I waited because I knew there was a chance that we could have this conversation. And it wouldn't be just constant dunking on you guys. No, it was perfect timing. I'm not a villain. No, you're not a villain. And you were right. And it's frustrating from a fan's perspective because I want them to be good. And every time there's a change, I'm like, this is going to be different. And unfortunately, it's still the same. Correct. And you were right calling that out. I still think Caleb has...

played well this year, and he's the one shining glimmer of hope that it's like maybe things will change because of him. Yeah. Because I think they'll probably screw up this coaching search too. I think Caleb is a phenomenal player. Early in the year, I noticed a lot of Bears fans were really worried because Jaden was balling. Yeah. But he came out playing so well because of the structure. Right. New owner, new GM, new head coach. Guy who can call plays. No expectations. Yeah. So they've exceeded them.

The Bears are what? Four and eight? Are they four and eight now? Something like that? Four and eight, yeah. I think they might be four and eight. So you look at that and it's like, well, last year you guys were seven and ten. Yeah. You trade away Justin Fields for a bag of chips on layaway next year, right? A fifth rounder next year. Then you keep Eberflus and you're in a worse situation now. So I do think that. I think they're in a better situation because Caleb Williams is better than Justin Fields.

I don't disagree with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But if you move on from the quarterback, you should move on from the coach. Agreed. We agreed on that. That was my point. But once they decided to keep him... And at the time, deciding to keep Iberflues, what ended up happening was you had to settle for... I don't want to use the word second rate, but you had...

The real hot offensive coordinators did not want to go to Chicago to a guy that was on the hot seat and have to move immediately. Because I know that Bears fans feel a certain type of way about Shane Waldron, but I don't think Shane Waldron's a horrible coach. He's a decent coach, but...

But he's the only coach they could get because, as you said, PFT, no one wants to come in and be the hot seat to the hot seat. Right. Because as soon as things go wrong, you're fired. You're the first one out. This is why I wanted Harbaugh. And if the reports are true, the problem now the Bears have is that Ryan Poles has basically been kneecapped with all his decision-making because Kevin Warren is running the show. And it's like now it's really stupid. And that's exactly what me and PFT were just talking about after the werewolf game. It's, well, now –

Who was going around doing all the talking this offseason? Right. It was pissed off Ryan Poles. Right. All right. Now it's Kevin Warren. I know. It's stupid. So now you're saying to yourself, okay, now is Ryan Poles in the doghouse? Yeah, he is. I honestly hope Ryan Poles, he would never do this because there's only 32 of these jobs. But if he has a strong candidate for the head coach and then Kevin Warren vetoes it, Ryan Poles should just quit.

I don't think he would, but I would love to see it just being like, you guys aren't letting me do my job. I'm not going to be here. Because Ryan Poles knows Iberflues is gone. They're going to hire a new coach. He'll get at least two or three years. Who's the next on the chopping block? Ryan Poles. Exactly. And it's a never-ending cycle. Correct. You're just constantly cannibalizing yourself. When I look at Ryan Poles, I had a former teammate call me from my time in Washington when I made the statement.

about Caleb Williams pulling an Eli to use it as leverage to get the Bears to make a decision. And I thought a public decision, as we mentioned before, was important. I think that stuff matters. I think what happened with me in Washington, I think if there were more public statements from the organization, it wouldn't have stopped at all, but it could have damn sure slowed some of that stuff down. Yeah, because when you don't get those public statements, then you start to create your own fan fiction about what could be going on.

Thank you. And there's all these conflicting narratives about who's talking to who, who's not talking to who. They're talking to the fourth string tight end, and he's putting a story out, and they're like, well, we verified it. It's like, okay, you got the fourth string tight end and the fourth string linebacker to verify a story, and it just becomes a constant problem. So now I look at it, and I'm like, for Ryan Poles...

He should still be the one that is out front making the decisions and talking to the media. Otherwise, it just looks like you said, like he got handy. But the question I have for you, Big K, is who do you think should be the next coach? Now, who do you want to be the coach? So I think knowing the Bears' history, the only way that I'm going to totally buy in on the fact that they've changed anything is if it's Ben Johnson, if it's Mike Vrabel, or somehow, someway, Kyle Shanahan. If it's not those three guys...

It's the same old bears. Okay. Because Ben Johnson would, they probably have to drop a bag for drop a big bag and they don't want to do that. They're not comfortable. They're cheap. Kyle Shanahan, similar would have to drop bag, maybe draft picks. And Mike Vrabel would be a personality that they have not wanted in that building for a very long time where they don't want an alpha who is like, this is my, this is my system. This is my program. Kevin Warren, go sit in the fucking locker, you know, go sit in the toilet and let me run the show.

If they don't pick those three guys, it's going to be the same thing. They're going to pick an offensive coordinator who's, you know, Liam Cohen, who I think is great for the Bucs, who won 10 games in Kentucky. They'll pick him, but they won't give him any power, and Ryan Poles won't have power, and the whole team will just be the same. I can see. Okay. Let's talk about the three you mentioned. Yeah. So first, Ben Johnson. Yeah. Yeah.

He didn't leave Detroit last year, talk to Almonra St. Brown, because they felt like they had unfinished business. I think they're on the path to try to go finish some of that business they had. Why would he come to Chicago? Caleb Williams. I understand that. That's it. That's the only ticket. That's the golden ticket. I know. I know. It's basically that's why Caleb Williams, unfortunately for Caleb Williams, he has so much on his shoulders now because he is the golden ticket because everything else is a mess. And I admit that. And I see it.

Caleb Williams, it's going to be a coach. If it's Ben Johnson, he's going to be like, Caleb Williams is such a talent that I think I can make this work. And I think it's an attractive job as well because of the skill guys that they have around. You come in, you build up the offensive line, you improve the defense, but you have Caleb Williams. You have Roma Dunze. You have DJ Moore. The roster isn't so bad. It's not a bad roster. On a personal level, if you're Ben Johnson, though,

If you're the kind of guy that would turn down a head coaching job, there are very few coaches. How many were there last year? Seven, eight? Yeah. It's rare that it comes up, and it's rare that you're a hot name, right? Correct. So last year, if you're talking about striking while the iron was hot. He should have done it. The iron was pretty fucking hot last year. And he said he had unfinished business with a team he cares so deeply about. Correct. And a staff he cares so deeply about. He's willing to turn down a raise of, I'm going to guess, $10 million a year or more. At minimum, right? To go back to Detroit. Right.

to me that does not seem like the kind of guy that would want to go coach a team in the division against that same team of brothers that he had twice a year right exactly i and you're right it's like you you mentioned about ryan poles there's only 32 gm jobs like to just walk away from one is very it's not so you shouldn't do it it'd be good it would be i would think higher oh yeah no he would be the man for doing that he would he would put his foot down yeah and that would

be it would be an awesome move that would be a full circle moment yeah hey caleb should pull an eli and then but uh i think to your point i agree that it's it's difficult to see him coming to chicago

Yeah. I agree, but listen, it's whether or not if he sees something in Caleb Williams that he doesn't see in any of the other job openings, that's our only chance. Agreed. Grable would be great. Now, who's the next one other than Kyle? Kyle Shanahan. That's a pipe dream, but... They have to trade for him because... Trade for him or if he resigns something, I don't know how it works. I will say this, Kyle, you know, I don't want to say we work together. I don't want to misrepresent it, okay? But he does a thing called the Quarterback Collective, or he used to, and they've been working with Caleb since he was...

in junior high school. Yeah. So Kyle knows Caleb. He knows him really well. He's coached him before in the off seasons. I don't think that he would shy away from that, but it's again, it's the structure. Yeah. To me, you almost have to go get someone that no one is expecting.

Right, which is a bad thing because that's what they always do. You're saying like a good way. In a good way. Who was the third person you mentioned? Mike Vrabel. Mike, yeah. But they'll never hire someone who is bigger than the organization, who has an alpha personality. He scares... Oh, I like Mike, man. I love Mike Vrabel. I want Mike Vrabel. George McCaskey is a meek man who does not like football. So he's like...

And Kevin Warren is the same. So I think Mike Vrabel wouldn't fit. They wouldn't want Mike Vrabel in the building, which is crazy. He's a great coach. Wasn't one of the things that got Mike out of Tennessee the fact that he was such a big... Oh, that was the big, strong, intimidating man. He's a big, strong, intimidating man. During the interview process, the owners got intimidated by a real football guy. I would love to play for a guy like Mike Vrabel. I think Ryan Tannehill enjoyed playing for him. I think, obviously, Will Compton here at Barstool enjoyed playing for him. Taylor LeJuan...

I agree with you, though. When you bring Mike Vrabel in, Mike Vrabel is not going to say, hey, Kevin Warren, I'm going to answer to you. Yeah, right. Hey, Ryan Poles, I'm going to answer to you. He's coming in there and he wants to, he's going to be the alpha dog. Even if you don't give him full control, you're still going to feel like he has full control. What about Belichick? Man.

Honestly, in terms of for the podcast. No, I don't want. It'd be great. I don't want Belichick in the fact that I think Belichick is 72 years old. I want to coach that. And this is all wishful thinking is potentially going to be coaching for the Bears for the next five, 10 years because you're going to want to have him have a relationship with Caleb Williams and Caleb Williams. Hopefully be here for a very long time. Is Belichick going to coach into his 80s?

Belichick seems more like a guy who's ready to go for a team that's ready to win in the next two years. Here's my two suggestions, and these are off the wall, out of the box thinking.

I think you have to bring in someone that knows Caleb Williams. And I know that people have talked about... Don't you fucking... No, no, no. Wait, wait, wait. Don't say Lincoln Riley. Don't say Lincoln Riley. Don't take Cliff from me. Don't say Lincoln Riley. Cliff? No, don't take Cliff from me. Wait, I will start with Cliff. I've heard rumors that there's some interest there for Cliff to become the head coach. There's not. I'm going to pour some cold water on that. There's no interest per me. I don't think that Cliff would go to that job, personally. For Lincoln Riley...

It hasn't worked out the way they want it to at USC. I don't believe that Lincoln would succeed in Chicago as the head coach. But if he wanted to come to the NFL and be with the quarterback that he won a Heisman Trophy with, you make him the offensive coordinator. That would be fine with me. I don't know if he would do that. I don't know if he would either. He's making a boatload of money at USC. Whoever...

is working with Caleb doesn't need to be someone that comes in and tries to, Hey, let's change what he is. Let's change what he does. They need to know him. That was a big reason why I thought Caleb should want to go to Washington because he had cliff there who knew how he is.

And I think we would all believe that Caleb would have started faster this year if he had Cliff Kingsbury as his offensive coordinator. Right? So that to me would be an out of the box, bring Cliff as the head. But I think Lincoln Riley, there's something there of maybe bringing in him or a coordinator that Caleb worked with so they can help him continue to grow. But at a head coach spot, I don't know.

until they really iron out the structure. I don't see why any top coach would pick the Bears outside of you get Caleb and you got all these weapons on offense. Does this give you PTSD, even talking about the Bears, seeing it and being like, yeah, I know how all this works because I was basically in the same situation? It doesn't give me PTSD. It's just I care too much. Yeah.

I talk to PFT every now and then, you know, and I talk about the commanders and I talk about, it's not about what I went through. I talk about Lamar and I,

And I talk about like my process of being a mentor for him. I just care too much, guys. I had a coach tell me that once it was Jay Gruden. He just told me, hey, man, you need a hobby or something like go play some golf. You care too much about winning. You care too much about winning in the weight room, winning in the film room, winning on the field. You need to loosen up. When I see these quarterbacks get thrown in these situations, I'm

A lot of guys, there's one, I can't remember, he's always on Pat McAfee's show, former GM, and he was like trying to take some stabs at me and say that I always look at it from a player's perspective. Well, if you're a player and you come in and you've got a shitty organization and they're not helping you succeed like a Baker Mayfield going to Cleveland. Mm-hmm.

And now you look at him in Tampa and he's a $40 million quarterback. You look at Sam Darnold with the Jets. He goes to the Vikings and he's winning. They're 10-2. Your intensity when it came to... You were very public right when you got to the NFL about you want to take on a leadership role. You were encouraging guys to go above and beyond. Correct. Asking everybody, you have to know your why. Know your why. And all that stuff.

I feel like was great when we were winning. Correct. And then once things go poorly, then it's like this guy just won't shut the fuck up sometimes. And they want to poke holes in everything you do. So when it's know your why, and I ask 50 of my teammates on Twitter, because it was Twitter at the time, what's your why? And they're all responding back. It's like, oh, this is the greatest thing since sliced bread. We went 10-6. We won the division. We're winning all these awards, all these accolades. But then the next year you go 4-12.

And now when you say no, you're why, the tendency is to say that's why they're not successful. Right. Yeah. Well, we were successful in the previous year. You guys liked it before. It was the same thing. It's like when Cam Newton wins a game and he puts on the crazy outfit, that guy looks awesome. There you go. And he loses a game, it's like, why is he wearing a peacock on his neck? Exactly. And we understand as players, now at 34, I understand the ebbs and flows of that.

You don't take it personally as a player anymore because you understand that when you're winning, everything is fine. So what does it look like from a player's perspective now?

going into an organization that is in disarray, chaos, mismanaged, like what are the actual day-to-day things that, that make your life harder as a player? Yeah. I mean, for, I'm sure Caleb comes to Chicago. He realizes that the fan base is phenomenal, right? Like I'm not mad at the Bears. I don't, I don't know. You're right. It wasn't, it's fine to be right, but I don't do it to be right. I'm trying to educate, educate you with my own opinion. So Caleb comes here. He's probably like, Oh, I'm going to be the guy.

I'm going to throw for 4,000 yards. I'm going to be the franchise QB. So when you get here at first, you don't have a focus of, hey, what's going on with Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles and what's going on with the McCaskies. You just come in and you do your job. You're trying to win over your locker room.

And I was like a little bothered by the fact that even before Caleb got to the locker room, there were people in the locker room saying, hey, he can't come up in here being Hollywood. Yeah, no, they love Justin Fields. They love Justin Fields. What is going on? DJ Moore liked Justin Fields and he's a loyal guy. And so they were still upset after they dealt him away. So he's like, I really miss Justin. I'm not going to move on like that. And like, I respect that from the players. It's just the organization clearly didn't care.

Right. And they said, we're going in this direction. We don't care what you think. So when you step into that environment, you're just trying to win them over. I think Caleb has won them over over the past three weeks. Yeah, I agree. I think before that they were sitting there like, bro, we should probably still have Justin. And I don't know if that's necessarily right or not. But as a player, you walk in, you don't understand the layers of it till years go by. It took me to go to Cleveland. I went from dysfunction in Washington to dysfunction in Cleveland. Then I was out for a year.

then I was blessed with the opportunity to go play in Baltimore. And that organization, the way they run it, Mr. Bashadi at the top, you got Eric DeCosta. We had Ozzie was the GM my first year there, and then Eric DeCosta took over. You got John Harbaugh. The way they structure that organization is how it's supposed to be done. And that's where I think players don't understand, damn, why did I come into this league –

whatever, all-star, Bolitnikoff, whatever you win, and you get to a team and it's like, why am I not being used the same way? Why aren't they helping me get in the right position? Why am I not making the same types of plays? It's all about the structure. And I think for a quarterback, you have a structure that helps you build leadership. I don't know.

know if matt eberflus created a structure for caleb to be a leader in that in that first part of the season and now he's gone and caleb's got to do that whole process all over again with a new head coach yeah you talked about going to cleveland wasn't there a story that your car got broken into or like some shit got stolen out of your out of your car yes man you bring him back my car actually got broken into in cleveland and baltimore but um it was cleveland we were at the game

And, you know, they valet the vehicles in Cleveland. So you come in, boom, valet guy takes it out. And they had stole like 5,000 bucks from my car. I stole a Rolex out of the glove box. And then, you know, we kind of like, it became public and they actually got mad.

Like the Browns got mad at me for that. And I'm like, well, I'm not the one who broke into my car. Yeah. You know, like we got to obviously take care of the players a little bit better. But it was just another sign of a dysfunctional organization. I even look at Jameis now. Like I think Jameis is a genuine guy. I think that the way he plays the game, he reminds me of sexy Rexy.

Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. Also RG3. Also RG3, exactly. He's going to keep both teams in the game. Yeah. Right? Six touchdowns in the last game. It just so happened that two went the other way. And...

He has become the story there in Cleveland, but it's the sign of a dysfunctional organization. Yeah. They're not winning. They're 3-9. And the team is excited about a quarterback who is almost 50-50 on touchdowns to interceptions. That's why we love him. Right? And it's all because of the dysfunction that they created when they signed Deshaun Watson. Yeah. A breath of fresh air. Exactly. So when you see Jameis and you see the speeches and the comments in the postgame, like,

I always wonder, like, are people laughing more with him or are they laughing at him? I just think they're laughing because it's different than what they've been dealing with the turmoil of the whole Deshaun Watson debacle. And Jameis is getting the feed off of that. So, I mean, I think it's – I laugh with everyone else. I think it's funny. But that's dysfunction. It's a sign of dysfunction. As a player, you don't even know it until you get out of it because we're so used to being the man in high school.

being the man in college. And then you get to the pros and you realize, well, there's like 16 pro teams that just don't know how to get it done. Yeah, I've always said that. There's a dozen, 16, whatever you want to call it, that just...

They're not in the business of trying to win a Super Bowl. It doesn't feel like it. They're basically trying to make money and maybe catch lightning in a bottle where it's like, oh, a draft class was awesome. Now we're going to the playoffs. How do we sustain it? We don't care. Correct. It's the worst. And I'm not advocating for the Bears to fire Kevin Warren. I am. 100%. To fire Ryan Poles. To sell the team George Rokowski. I'm not doing that. It's just more of have it be clear.

Let the football guys make the football decisions. Correct, yes. Bring the coach in. Yes. Let him control what he needs to control and stop trying to be the forward-facing, I was right. Like, imagine if the Bears were, I don't know, 12-4 right now. Or Big Cat would definitely be saying, I was right. Well, no, I'm still waiting for that because everyone still says that Caleb Williams is a bust. He's not. I don't think he's a bust. There's a lot of people that think that.

They do. And I'm waiting. This conversation would be different if the Bears were 12-4. Oh, of course. Big Cat would be like, hey, remember when you said this, blah, blah, blah. I'd take a victory lap. Not to take a victory lap, but I would take a victory lap. Not to take a victory lap, but you'd take the victory lap. And I understand that. So when you make a statement, you have to be ready to back it up. So I don't ever make a statement and say to myself, man, I hope this doesn't work out. I wanted you to be able to have a victory lap against me because I want Caleb Williams to be successful and I want the Bears to have a great team.

But until they make the changes that they need to make, it's going to be this never-ending cycle. And I don't want to see you guys ruin Caleb Williams. Yeah. I got a question that's different than just the Bears. Did Paul Feinbaum get you fired? Wow, that is a heavy one. I don't think he actually did. I don't think he did. I have no proof of that. Yeah. What I do know is that when I'm on TV with somebody –

I just feel like there's a way to tell stories the right way. And there's a way to cover the athletes the right way. And I didn't feel like at times, and I think there's like two instances when I was on first take with Paul, that he was taking care of their stories the right way. And I wouldn't come to you and be like, we can disagree. I'm not going to say Big Cat's a fraud. That's a strong term. I'm not going to say that

PFT is irrelevant. Right. Like that's, that's a, that's a personal person. Right. You know, debating and having friendly debate back and forth. Like that's what sports, that's what makes sports great. That's what we like to do. You were right. I was wrong. Like it's okay. And I didn't care. Right. So, so how was it though? I mean,

Like when you got fired from ESPN, that sucked. It feels like you're thriving right now. But when it first happened, were you like, shit, what the hell was that? Well, I first have to say I was not fired. Okay, not fired. I was laid off. Laid off. Sorry. There's a difference and I shouldn't say that. And I am getting paid from ESPN while I'm off. That's awesome. The first reaction was why? All right. So you go through the process of why did this happen? Okay, let me look at performance.

They are saying it's not performance-based. They put me on Monday Night Countdown, blessed me with that opportunity. I was very thankful to be on the show with Suzy Culber, Steve Young, one of the greats. Suzy's one of the greats as a host. We had Booger on the show, Adam Schefter, and that was an iconic crew. Maybe they were pissed off that you beat the bird. Oh, yeah. Maybe they showed up the bird. I can give you the story about the bird, but...

For me, it was more of a... They put me on here for a reason. I was a younger guy. Everyone else on the set was a little older. They wanted to hit the younger demographic, just like everyone is trying to do right now when it comes to content creation. And we accomplished that. The show was a success. Then we changed the show. Now it's me, Ryan Clark, Scott Van Pelt, Marcus Spears. And you go on that show and the ratings stay the same, right? So then they bring Jason Kelsey in and it's like, well...

we should be on this thing together having a good time two great personalities i love jason i think he's a phenomenal dude um i know he's had some you know run-ins with some stuff here we took his side here recently but we took his side of that when you when i looked at it from that point it's like okay it's not performance based they're telling me it's not performance based and what is it about and i don't know that sucks but what i can do is i can sit here and i can twiddle my thumbs for three four months five months and try to figure out well why did this happen

well, I can just go move on and have fun, enjoy the process. We had the podcast Out of Pocket with RG3, and my wife is a co-host on that. And we've had some great conversations with people. You guys are crushing it. It feels like every other day you're sitting with someone, some big name or whatever story's at the top right now. And it's fun. You know what I mean? You sit down with Dion, Shalom Shadur, Dana White, sit down with Reggie Bush and talk about him getting his Heisman back. We had a chance to sit down and have a conversation with a guy, Mike Norvell at Florida State. Yeah.

When they're not doing very good right now. I know you guys, you would rather do the interviews with the people who are having a good time. Yeah. As opposed to people who are going through some things. Yeah. And that was a, it was a tough one to navigate, but it's been a fun process for me. And I got some stuff in the works that's going to be coming up here in the next couple of weeks. And I'm blessed to be a part of those opportunities. But,

You just don't want to sit on your hands and feel sorry for yourself. Yeah, I mean, good for you. I bet you it probably feels good to know that you kind of control your own destiny now. Correct. And it's, you know, like legacy media as far as like the ESPNs, the Foxes, the NBCs, the CBSs, and then the new age media, Amazon and Netflix, like...

Like I'm open and excited about all those opportunities, but I wasn't just going to sit at the house and be mad about something. It's like they decided to go in a certain direction and you just find a way to be the best version of yourself that you can be. That guy stinks that they didn't tell you why though. Yeah. That would have been nice. Or maybe it wouldn't. I don't know. It would bother me. I think it would be nice. I think everyone wants, you want to know. Right. When they tell you what it wasn't.

You're like, oh, yeah, cool, sweet. No, you're great. You're sweet. Everything was awesome. And then it's like, but what was it? You're a big boy. Just be honest. What was it? Right. And I didn't get that answer. And at this point, shoot, what, four months past that? Yeah. I'm not asking for the answer anymore. I don't need it. Right. I don't need it anymore. It's like you said, we're thriving. We're having a good time being able to connect with the fans in a different way. That's great. And then when we get back to legacy media, I'm not going to lie to you. The thing I miss most-

Calling games. Yeah. I miss calling games. Three hours to talk to the fans, have a good time, crack jokes, educate them. I miss that. And I look forward to getting back to that, whether it's college football, NFL, or both. Yeah. Really good things can happen when ESPN lets you go.

Yeah. We know from experience. We know from experience. What experience are you guys talking about? We had a hit show at ESPN. Was it called Barstool Van Talk? It was. Yes. I think you came to the same realization that we did in that it sucks, but...

If people like you and what you're putting out there, you can give it to them by yourself and it's awesome. And people will love it. And then guess what? You don't have someone looking over your shoulder being like, oh, don't do that. Don't do that. I'll answer that and I'll get to that eagle, the Seahawk story. For me...

When you do this, there's no... Like, podcasting, it's views, likes, comments. Hey, what are they like? You kind of move in that direction of what you're comfortable doing, right? I'm not going to go be an OnlyFans model. That's just not what I want to do with my life. You kind of dabble in it.

Yeah. The croissant picture. I think... The internet's gonna internet because the croissant picture, they took that bad boy and ran with it. It's a very good meme. It's a solid meme. It is a solid meme. I was told today that I'm in the Internet Hall of Fame because of that meme. But...

The reception that I got after the news broke and I cracked the joke about Friday and then I posted the basically farewell from ESPN and, you know, I miss my colleagues and the people behind the camera and the teams that I got to work with. The reception from the fans let me know, hey,

You did it the right way. Yeah. Right. It wasn't like, thank God that guy's gone. And you're like, that makes you feel like you should keep going and keep doing it. And if this were the 1980s or the 1990s, if you get let go from ESPN, then you're like, oh shit, what do I do? What do I do now? There's not really a lot of options for you at the point. Correct. But now it's like, yes, you have literally every option is available and whatever you want to do, you're going to be good. So yeah, tell me about The Bird.

Yeah, so it was a funny story because when I first got put on Monday Night Countdown, they told me that, hey, you're going to be replacing Randy Moss. And I'm like, I don't know if I want to do that, guys. Randy Moss is a legend, straight cash homie. Randy Moss was actually the person that got me on Monday Night Countdown in the first place. Oh, wow. I was at ESPN my first year, 2021, and I was going there to read the Heisman finalists. That's it.

uh hey a Heisman finalist has to do it we need you on the show I read it it's in Buffalo it's the coldest game I've ever been to in my life and I didn't have a jacket because in Buffalo if it says it's you know 45 degrees it's really not 45 degrees yeah okay it's it more feels like it's 15 degrees and Randy stopped me in the truck and said do you want to do come on man no it wasn't come on man it's do you want to do you got mossed

So then the producer's like, yeah, I mean, Randy, if you want him in there, we'll put him in there. And I'm like, yeah, sure, I'll do You Got Mossed. That was my first hit on Monday Night Countdown.

Next thing I know, I'm on Monday Night Countdown the next year. And it was because Randy wanted to move to Sunday Countdown. Ah. So it wasn't that I was replacing him there. It was he didn't want to travel anymore. And I know we see some of the health things that he's talked about he's going through. I kind of understand why he wanted to make that transition. So when they bring me on, they're trying to find something. Mm-hmm.

We need to liven up the show. I get on and it's the Seahawks game. And I'm like, hey, what do you think we can do? I thought about it for a couple weeks and I came back to the producer and his name was Greg Shapiro. And I said, why don't I just race the Hawk? What do you mean race the Hawk? You can't beat a Hawk in a race. I'm like, I think I could beat him in a race. So I didn't tell anyone on the production side why I thought I could win the race.

But then when I ran, I beat the hawk. Yeah, you did. And Booger was like repping me saying I didn't win. So then we did it again the following year. And I blew him out even worse this time because I had football cleats on. Did you do your research ahead of time? I did my research ahead of time. You're like, what kind of bird is it? It's an osprey. No, no. It's the fact that the type of hawk that it was, because seahawks don't exist, by the way. Yeah. It's just a hawk. Yep. So they can fly up to 120 miles per hour.

When they're hunting. When they're going down. When they're going down into the water and they're hunting, they fly at 120 miles per hour, but they don't fly that fast when they're just gliding. So they made me have to take off when the Hawk took off because I raced it first before they aired it and blew it out by like 25 yards. So I had to run again.

And they made me take off when he did so he could actually have a chance to beat me. And I beat him the first time and then obviously blew him out the second time. But there's no – I always tell people, don't be afraid to try new things. Just do your research. I knew he wasn't going to beat me in that race. They didn't. And the person at home certainly didn't know. It's just, RG3 just beat a wild animal. You can go 120 miles an hour. Exactly. First time it's like this hawk doesn't know it's in a race. The second time –

The Hawk fucking knew. The Hawk was embarrassed. And the handler was so mad because the first year when I beat it, he was like, we're going to race again and he's going to be ready. And the second year I said, I'm just going to throw on some football cleats so I can have a little bit more grip. Oh, that's awesome. Took off on himself.

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I want to talk to you about something that's happened just recently. Trevor Lawrence. Yes. So it's kind of another dysfunctional franchise with the Jaguars. But he got hit when he was sliding. Yep. Took a shot to the head. Pretty nasty. Bounced his head off the ground. Correct. Pretty bad concussion. Yep. Then they suspended the guy that hit him. Yep. Three games.

I've been watching a lot of clips of quarterbacks sliding, and I don't think that you're a sliding expert. I'm not. You did not like to slide at all. I didn't know how to slide. Yeah. Did they ever do the thing where they bring in the slip and slide? They have Nationals players teach it? There was a rumor that they did that, but that never happened.

So that's how dysfunctional Washington was. Correct. Where to address questions about the quarterback sliding, they just planted a rumor in the press. And then made it seem like I turned it down. Yeah. Yeah. It never happened. That's crazy. But in watching all these clips...

It dawned on me when a quarterback slides, they're actually putting themselves in a pretty bad position to get a concussion. So you can avoid a lot of hits if you slide, obviously, and you can declare yourself down and you won't take those big shots in the open field. But when you slide, you're putting your head right at ground level to get bounced off the ground if they contact you at all.

With Trevor Lawrence, I'm not blaming Trevor Lawrence for this, by the way. He gave himself up in advance, and I think most defenders would have pulled up at that point. But it's like a bang-bang play. Correct. You have to make a decision as defender at the last second whether or not you need to pull up. Yeah. But what are your thoughts on quarterback slides? Yeah, I mean, it's a lot. I will say in Trevor Lawrence's specific example, I've had two concussions from that same exact thing. Yeah.

In Washington, we were playing the Atlanta Falcons, and Sean Witherspoon did the same thing to me. I was sliding near the sideline, last second slide, even later than, because I don't think Trevor slid late. I think his was just the guy formed in the face. But I did slide late. Witherspoon hit me, bounced my head off the ground. I was out for the rest of the game. In college, I was playing against Texas Tech in Jerry's World, running towards the sideline, slid, boom, got my head bounced off the ground.

In college, that probably – that situation that Trevor just went through happened to me at least six times. And this is 2011, right? Defenders are trying to get as many licks as they can on the quarterback. So when they see you slide, they're going to try to give you something. I'm not saying that they're trying to put you out the game, but they're trying to give you something to prevent you from thinking it's sweet, right? They want you to know that it's sour. When I hear quarterbacks –

talk about sliding who were not mobile guys they don't have as many opportunities to be put in those positions whereas jayden daniels caleb williams trevor lawrence kyler murray lamar jackson these guys are being put in these situations 5 10 15 times a game so my belief is yes sliding is a mechanism to protect the quarterback you don't take sliding out of the game

But I can also understand from a defensive side why they get mad when Patrick Mahomes does a fake slide. Or when Kenny Pickett had the infamous fake slide in college that I was on the call for. That was awesome. I thought it was awesome. It looked good. But from a defensive perspective, they're saying, well, I'm not supposed to hit the guy. I don't think that there's a perfect solution to it. But I think everyone in their right mind would agree that what Aziz Al-Shahir did was wrong.

Trevor Lawrence did not slide late. He clearly went after his head once he went for that slide. That shouldn't happen anymore. But we do have to, I think we might have to start penalizing quarterbacks for fake slides. Oh man, imagine a chief scheme getting decided by Patrick Holmes fake slides. That they don't call. Oh,

Because I'll tell you the technique that Lamar has. Lamar doesn't slide. Maybe he's slid twice in his entire career. He just attacks the knees of the defender. I heard Rex Ryan talk about attacking their ankles. If you attack their ankles, they're going to hit you in the face with their knee.

Lamar, when he runs and he knows he wants to get down to avoid the hit, he goes after their legs because what do they do? They move. Yeah. Right. So now they don't have any power to hit you. And they're not, they're thinking more about self-preservation than they're about. How can I get this lick on the quarterback? But like I said, there's no perfect solution to it, but damn, man, we, we gotta be able to see a play and say, yeah, yeah.

There's no two sides to that. It was wrong. And I think he got suspended three games because of what happened after the hit. Yeah. Not just the hit. Partially. You know what I mean? Yeah. The sportsmanship they're talking about and he got in like two fights after that and was like cussing out the fans. That's why he got suspended three games. Yeah. Not just the hit. Mack Jones used to go in with his cleats up and just kick in the dick. Remember that? I remember that. He kicked like three guys in their penis. He did. He did. Yeah. That's the way to do it. Smart play. Yeah. He was out there meat hunting. All right. So...

NFL, we're getting into December, winning time. Yep. How many teams can win the Super Bowl? One. Good answer. That's a good answer. How many teams right now do you think are Super Bowl-like? Let me phrase it a better way because that was a bad question. How many teams would it not shock you if they won the Super Bowl?

It would not. I mean, I still think that even though the Chiefs are. Yeah, no, I agree. I still think that they're as long as they've got those, the core fours, I call them Mahomes, Andy Reid, Travis Kelsey, and Chris Jones. They're top of the list. Then the Chiefs, I can see the Chiefs winning it. I can see the Packers. I can see the Lions. I could see the Eagles. Bills, Ravens. I can see the Bills. The Ravens to me are a dangerous team because it looks like they're not going to win their division.

But then if they get in the wild card, I don't think anyone wants to play. No. I don't think they want to play the Ravens. What about the Steelers? I think the Steelers have a chance to win it too. Really? I said that in the offseason when they got Russell, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, no possible way. So, again, I was right. Yeah. But for the Steelers, it's more about if Russell plays like he did against the Bengals. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. They can go score 44 points? Yeah. It's a cliche answer, but any team could. I could see Washington winning the Super Bowl. I don't know.

I don't know. This year? You know, I could see them winning the Super Bowl because it's so up in the air right now, especially with the Lions. I know we're going to talk about this, you know, when we're watching the stream, but...

The Lions are so beat up on defense. I know. And they're the best team in the league in my opinion right now, but every team at the top is vulnerable. The Eagles are slow starters. The Bills, how many times are they going to allow Josh Allen to drop back 17 times and score 35 points? Like at some point he is going to have to be Superman.

And that will really test his decision-making. So all these teams are so vulnerable. I could see a team like Washington sneaking in. There you go, P.F. Washington on defense. I know we're getting Lattimore, which is a nice little addition, and he's going to be playing against the Saints next week. We've been struggling at corn.

corner. Yeah, been pretty tough at cornerback. But the defense just... And the offense, and the inconsistency that they've had in the last four weeks. To me, it's all about... Actually, the same thing with Pittsburgh. You talked about Russell Wilson. But I feel like the Steelers are that one team that you can tell if they're going to win based on how fast Najee Harris looks on his first carry. Oh,

If he looks good and they're able to establish the run, then everything opens up for him. But there are some games where Najee goes out there and it's like, is this fat Najee that we have this week?

Like, I'm not saying that he's fat, but I'm saying he's like, he doesn't have that. He runs like he's fat. Sometimes, even though he's not, you get slow nausea, you get fast nausea. If you get fast nausea Harris, then I feel like the Steelers, they can beat anybody. Now, why is that? It's a rhetorical question, but why is that the case for the Steelers? It's because that's exactly how Russell Wilson won his Super Bowl in Seattle. Right? Yeah. Beast mode.

Yeah. But the Steelers are playing great defense right now. They had the legion of boom on the other side. Yeah. Right. So you're putting Russell in a very familiar situation where now he can drop back and throw those moon balls and they're not all off play action. Some of them are drop back. Some of them are him scrambling. He looks he looks so much younger. He looks five years younger than he did last year in Denver.

Yeah, he does. So to put him in that situation with a Najee Harris and to have that running back group rolling and the offensive line rolling, that's why they're in the position they are. And let's be honest, Mike Tomlin, he is definitely in the running for a coach of the year. He's the best. He's unbelievable.

Yeah, and I appreciate you saying that the Commanders can do it. I'm not letting myself believe that yet because I'm just thinking our goal is the playoffs. Correct. If we make the playoffs, then that's great. Then anything can happen. Anything can happen. Look at the Ravens in, was it 2013? Was it 2012? When Joe Flacco had his magical run. No interceptions. Anything can happen. I think it was 13 touchdowns, no picks. Anything can happen once you get in the dance. And I think the reason I feel that mostly is because of the Chiefs.

Yeah. They look vulnerable right now. And the other teams that are at the top also look vulnerable. Right. So it could be anybody's game. Right. I just – I won't allow myself to think that. Take the compliment. I will try to accept it. We've got the Chargers. Take the compliment. Chargers? Again, they're playing top five defense. Justin Herbert hasn't had to be Superman all year. Really. Really.

I think that bodes well for them because he's not going to go into the playoffs banged up. Everyone wants to say, oh, the Chargers can't win any playoffs games. Oh, Justin Herbert's all... He's stat padding and doing all that stuff. It's like, no. The man's been being Superman for 17 weeks. Yeah. And then when he does get to the playoffs, he's tired. He's banged up. He's got an ankle injury. He's got a rib injury. He's got a hairline fracture in his collarbone or something. Right. Now he doesn't have that. Now they're actually... They just won 17 to 13. They're not having to win...

putting up 39 points like they were with Brandon Staley. Right. So we should talk about the croissant picture. Let's do it. In full. Let's do it. Can you just walk me through it when you posted it where you're like, yeah, people are going to love this and not think it's a giant dick in my mouth? Because this happened after we had you on in the Super Bowl, right? Yeah. Yeah. This is true. Was that the Olympics? Yes. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, we haven't seen you since. We're at the Olympics. Yeah. And?

We find out in Paris that they have these giant croissants. So I'm like, hey, we got to go get one of these things. Actually, TikTok actually worked with us to get us the giant croissants and create content with them at their headquarters in France. So that was an incredible experience with me and my wife. Shout out to TikTok for doing that for us. But then when we got the croissant back at home, I'm like, we have to take a picture eating this croissant. So here's...

You guys have had a situation where your wife kind of... Or your lady friend threw you under the bus a little bit. I'm not blaming my wife for saying that she threw me under the bus. No, she did. What I'm saying is that when we took the picture, we were both supposed to be eating it the way that I was eating it. And she didn't do that. And then she posted it on Instagram. With a zoom in. On you. On me. So she knew what she was doing. You went all in on that croissant. So she...

kind of set the motion, set everything in motion. I think she's a wonderful woman. I would never say anything bad about her. I'm going to take her side in this argument. I appreciate you saying that, PFT. And she knows it because she did it on purpose. She took the picture. It was the blank picture. And it was three frames.

And the second one was zoomed in and the third one was zoomed in even more. So then when I posted it on Twitter, I got all the zoomed in pictures of Instagram that came over. And in like 10 minutes, it was like, yeah, this is going to be a long day. Yeah. So she didn't go all in on eating the croissant. You did. But how do you explain...

You were cupping the croissant's balls. I was not. Yeah, you were. No, I was... You were caressing the croissant's balls. Do you know when you grab a croissant, like if the croissant was a double-hander on the side... You might have been in the croissant's gooch. I would have been able to grab it like that. The croissant was so big. Yeah. I had no choice. He's cupping the balls, P.O.T. I am not. I am not.

You're giving a lot of support like this. I had no choice but to have the hand underneath because I'm stronger from here. You got one hand like that and then one hand underneath. I think you might even have a finger in the croissant's asshole. I do not.

I stand 10 toes down that that did not happen. This is not what happened and went down. But the croissant was super heavy. And what I like about you, RG3, because I feel like you have fun online and you know that it's supposed to be fun. Because some people would post that picture and be like, oh, shit, I don't want that out there. It's like, let's have a fucking laugh. Yeah, I sucked off a croissant. I definitely didn't do that.

And that was not the purpose of posting the croissant picture. But I think to your point, you have to be able to have fun in a way that people can relate to.

When you see that picture of me eating the croissant, I saw, uh, Josh Hart, the guard or forward for the Knicks. Yeah. He said not in the, he said, Jesus himself could not get me to post this picture. But guess what? He's engaging with the picture because he understands that it's funny. He understands that you have to have a sense of humor in life. And I think for me, uh,

The internet took it and went with it. The way I captioned it wasn't like, hey, watch me eat this giant croissant that looks like whatever. It was enjoying a croissant with my wife. The internet will always internet. There's been times that I've said things in games that I never anticipated would go viral. And they go viral. And then there's times when you're in a game and you know you have a one-liner and you hit it and you're like,

I knocked that out the park and it's nowhere. And you're like, you don't know what people are going to gravitate towards. You don't know what they're going to grab a hold of. But at the end of the day, you have to be willing to laugh at yourself. So there was a time, not gonna lie, within that first hour and it was going like a, you know, ballistic. Yeah. There was, there was some people that thought like, Hey, maybe we should, maybe we should take the, take it down. And it's like, nah, man, the internet's going to do what the internet's going to do. I'm not at fault for them taking it and making it whatever. Yeah.

it's a croissant. I'm eating. I can't eat pastries now. Yeah. And you just have fun. You laugh it off and you move on. And you realize that there's a separation between the internet and real life too. Correct. It's like the internet, they're going to make jokes and we can laugh about the internet making jokes. The people that spend more time like inside the internet where that becomes the biggest part of their life. They're the people that are like, I can't have this on there. It makes my whole life worse because I spend my whole life on

And I don't see it. Like, I think on Instagram, I have a couple of videos where I was explaining because like it happened. I'm like, well, I got to like address this. Yeah. So then I explained it. When you cup a croissant's balls, you have to talk about it. Definitely didn't do that. There's no frosting on my face. You were committed. You were committed to continue to talk about it. I'm looking at the picture right now. It's me eating a croissant. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So there's a video on Instagram of me explaining it. And like, if you go to the comments, it's like 15,000 pictures of

of the croissant consuming it. And like, what are you going to do? Are you going to go through and delete every single comment? Are you going to just laugh about it and move on? It would be funnier if you like every day put a video online explaining more about how actually that croissant picture is not dirty. Like just double, triple, quadruple down. You guys got to stop with this fucking croissant. You guys are the perverts. And honestly, I mean, it's the truth. It's like, hey, how you view something is how you view it.

If you can't laugh at yourself, man, then what are you really doing? It's a great quality. If you can't laugh at yourself or laugh at a moment and move on from it and not be bogged down by it in your own mind, then it doesn't matter. So I don't worry about it. It was fun. It went galactical, and you move on. Yeah, yeah. All right, I got one last question for you. This has been awesome, RG3. If people haven't seen, basically he's been here all day. He's going to be on the pro football show. When this comes out, it'll be tonight.

He did Werewolf with us. He's going to watch Thursday Night Football with us. It's been a whole day with RJ. He did Chef Donnie. Yes, did Chef Donnie. Cooked some beignets. Did the show with Chef Donnie. Yeah, did Chef Donnie. Oh. Did the show with Chef Donnie. Some more French pastries. Yes, we did some beignets. Okay, all right. Some beignets. Yeah, so rowback question. R-H-O-B-A-C-K dot com. Promo code TAKE. 20% off your first purchase. Q-Zips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Rowback dot com. So, Heisman is coming up. Yep. You are a Heisman trophy winner. How?

how cool is it when you go there and you get to like, like, how does it work? Cause I imagine it's like some back room with like a bunch of books and everyone, you know, sits down and want to Heisman and you guys trade war stories. That's what I want to imagine. But is it like being in a room with everyone?

That happens at the Heisman House. Okay. So when we're with Nissan and we go to the Heisman House, we got video games in the back and you get to sit down with Baker Mayfield and Tim Tebow and Charles Woodson and Desmond Howard and Eddie George and all these guys. OJ? Was he ever invited? Who? OJ?

No, I don't think so. I don't think he was there. They canceled OJ? I don't want to say that. Well, there's a story just came out yesterday that his bodyguard says that he has a confession from him. Oh. I saw that that wasn't true. He might have done it. I saw that it wasn't true, though. Okay. It came out and said that the recording was him just talking to himself. Ah, okay. It was the bodyguard talking to himself. So OJ's still innocent.

Per RG3. I am leaving that all the way alone. I never went to the Heisman. But he hasn't been there. I haven't seen him there. I don't know if he's ever been there, but I have never seen him there. But it's a good time, you know, kicking it with the guys, shooting the funny commercials. When you go to the Heisman ceremony, it's more of just, I know some people think that the guys that are on stage, they go there just so they can be seen. And that's not what it is. They're there to support the next guy that's coming in. And like the Heisman loses its value because

if the guys who won it before don't welcome the new guy into the fraternity. So it's really cool to go there and see Mike Rozier, right? It's really cool to go there and see Archie Griffin. Guys that I never got to see play.

But they believe so much in the Heisman fraternity that they're willing to come back and welcome the next guy into that. That, to me, is awesome. So, you know, ESPN runs the show, and I've been a part of that broadcast for the last three years. I'm not going to be a part of the broadcast, but I'm still going to go back because it's important to welcome, whether it's Travis Hunter, Aston Jenty, Shadurah Sanders, Cam Ward, whoever it is that wins the Heisman, it's important to be there to support them.

Yeah, that's awesome. I just, it's cool. You know, it's a trophy that still holds meaning. You know, there's not, people don't really remember MVPs very often. You know what I mean? Like, you know, Rookie of the Year is like, there's,

They're obviously great, but a Heisman, I don't know. There's something special about it. Yeah, it certainly feels special, and it changes your life forever. It's not just the Heisman House, but it's the way that people look at you. And other awards, it's not to speak down on the other awards. They just don't remember. Right. I won, with all due respect, I won the Manning Award my last year in college. No one says Robert Griffin III, the Manning Award winner.

Right. Right. They say RG three, the Heisman trophy winner. Yeah. So there is a certain level of prestige and that goes with all of them. It's not just the Manning award. It's whether it's the Maxwell, the bullet, Nikoff, all these other ones, the Davey O'Brien, they have value and you appreciate getting the awarding and being a part of that fraternity. But there's something so much more special about the highs. It really is. It is. It did you, when did you first realize that? Like how many years after you won, we were like, Oh shit.

yeah, I'm a Heisman Trophy winner forever. And they only give out one of these a year. Honestly, I'm 34. So it's not like I'm 55. Right. And that first check for the Heisman House, I was like, wait, what? Y'all giving out checks like this to come do this commercial? That was a moment of like, oh, wow, this is a gift that keeps on giving because we have guys like an Eddie George who's been removed from the game for 20 years. And he's still getting those types of opportunities due to the Heisman. Yeah.

I was just at an event doing a speaking engagement and they introduced me as Heisman Trophy winner. And you're like, man...

You don't understand how much it means to the other people until you hear it when you're so far removed from it. I remember the moment. I could feel my heart beating through my chest when they said the 2011 Heisman Trophy winner is. I still remember that moment, but I don't think I knew it was going to have this type of impact on my life. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a special award. Do you get upset at all when they do the pose and they don't do the pose correctly? Yeah.

We were talking about that on the last show. Isn't it funny that everyone who does the Pose, it's literally not the Heisman Pose. They do the Charles Woodson. I think that there's... Exactly. Or the Desmond Howard. There's a Heisman Trophy and then there's the Heisman Pose. And they're different things. They're completely... And honestly, if someone got up and...

scored a touchdown and did the actual Heisman pose, it wouldn't be as cool. No, people are like, what is he doing? Yeah, he got two feet on the ground and you're going like this. It's not as cool. So I actually appreciate it. I think they should give two trophies out.

Give the normal Heisman and then a bronze sculpture of the guy doing it because almost every Heisman winner has done it at some point in their Heisman season. Yeah. Because I know I did it at Baylor with my teammates. Yeah, when did you do it? It was early in the season. Oh, early. So you called your shot. At one point, we had more touchdowns than incompletions five games into the year. That's insane. So it was after one of those early games, and I did it with my offensive lineman. So that was pretty cool.

Yeah. What was it like being big, big man on campus at Waco? Waco is not as big of a city. Yeah. Right. But you know, we used to have this, uh, this, um,

a student gym called the slick. And I used to play basketball there all the time. So in 2008 through 2010, like 2008, 2009, we weren't very good. 2010, we got good. We beat Texas. We were seven and five. Everyone's feeling good about themselves. Cause Baylor wasn't winning any games at that point. Then in 2011, we went on a run, we won 10 games. And that was wild. Just walking around campus, smaller school, um,

Baptist school, you know what I mean? So a lot of different people on campus, but the majority of the student population that was black were on the athletic teams. It was that type of environment. But it was cool to be there to see the impact and see how Baylor changed. Because when I got to Baylor, we had to drive 25 minutes across town to go work out.

because our facility and our stadium was not on campus. And then by the time I left, we had an on-campus workout facility. They were building McLean Stadium, which is what they play in now. Thanks to you. Not just me, but a lot of other people. But I got to see the university change. At one point when I was a freshman, man, I'd go to class. You know those big auditorium classes where you got 500 kids? Yeah. And the teachers would be in the class making fun of us, like making fun of the football team, like cracking jokes. And I'm like, my God.

Our coach made us walk around with a shirt that said, I play football for Baylor because nobody took pride in it. Yeah. But by the time in 2010, 2011, now I'm going to these big auditorium classes and the teachers are praising us. Right. That was a very weird thing to go through. Yeah. That's a cool. It was a great transformation. I'm glad you're saying this, but also I know what you said. Yeah. I remember what you said four years ago. It also must've felt pretty good to just like walking around Texas being like,

Austin didn't want me. Yeah. Mack Brown didn't want me. Yeah. You know, Mack Brown just unfortunately got fired. Jamie, you made him quit early this season. You think so? Yeah. Well, he quit. No, he literally quit after that game. He quit for like 24 hours. And then he's like, psych, I'm back. Oh, really? Yeah. So Jamie, you broke him. I did not know that. But Mack never talked to me in recruiting. It was his recruiting coordinator. And they wanted me to be an athlete.

Which means they'll play you at safety, they'll play you at receiver, they'll put you wherever they want you to be. I was a fast track and field guy. So they never gave me an opportunity to play quarterback or even be recruited as a quarterback.

but after my freshman year at Baylor Mac met me at the 50 yard line at UT Stadium and he said man we really messed up with you didn't we you can come here anytime you want so I look at that sometimes I'm like man what if we were in the NIL transfer portal days back in 2008 would I have transferred to Texas and the answer is no I wouldn't have

But it's nice to think about. And had they offered me a scholarship to play quarterback, I probably would have went there. Yeah, initially, right? I'll be quite honest with you. I probably would have. It was you and Johnny Manziel. Correct. And I think Mack Brown was like, these guys could play safety for me. Correct. Yeah, and then Andrew Luck, too. They missed on Andrew, missed on myself, Johnny, Drew Brees didn't go there. That's crazy. They missed on Jalen Hurts.

Wait, you wouldn't have transferred though? I know it's easy to say right now, but if Texas is like, we're going to give you $6 million a year to play football. Yeah, I would go to Baylor and say, give me four. Yeah. Give me four if you can. And I'm not saying, like I did not grow up with money.

So the likelihood of a team coming to you when you're an 18 year old and paying you 6 million bucks, you're going to entertain that. Yeah. The way I look at it is I love my university and I went there for a reason. You know, everything worked out for me the way they worked out because I went to Baylor University. So had I gone to Texas, would the Heisman Trophy that we won at Baylor mean as much at Texas? I don't know.

I don't know if it would have. Yeah, probably not. You know what I mean? So God has a plan of making that stuff all work out, and it definitely worked out in my favor. Well, RG3, it's been awesome today. Great having you on. Congratulations on being very right again. I got one last thing for you guys, though, okay? Why do you guys sometimes let guys come on the show and just lie? Ooh. Good question. Go on. All right.

Mike Silver. Okay. I thought that's where we were going. You knew where we were going. I did not know where you were going. All right. So Mike Silver came on the show. This was about a month ago maybe. Yeah. A couple months ago, maybe a month and a half. Yeah. And he told you guys this story about the Cleveland game.

when Kirk threw for like 7,000 yards. Right. And like five, 16 touchdowns and it was a great game. It was like right after Haloti Nada hit you in your knee, you sprained your MCL so you were out, right? Exactly. It was LCL. LCL. Oh yeah, he messed me up. Good. And he told you a story about how Dan Snyder walked in the locker room and like,

like damn near trucked Kirk to get to me and asked me if I was okay. Yeah. And then he threw some else, something else out there saying that Mike Shanahan and my dad were off in the corner of the locker room. My dad was yelling at him saying, you need to run these plays with my son. That reminded me, I watched, I did watch it. I saw the clip. I didn't respond because I had a feeling we would come on the show and talk. And it's not you guys' fault, right? It is your show, but it's not your fault that he comes on there and he lies about it.

But I had this conversation with a teammate of mine who was on the team at that time. And they're like, when is a parent ever in the locker room yelling at a coach? Yeah. When is a, you ever see a guy say, hey, you got beat up by seven dudes?

And then you go back and you watch the tape and he got beat up by one guy. - Is that my biz? - You know what I'm saying? It's like a over exaggeration of the story. - Yeah, right. - So I remember the story. I know exactly what happened. My dad was never in the locker room. My dad was never a problem in the locker room. But when Mike Silver and media members from DC go around telling those stories constantly, the next generation tends to think that those things are true.

And what bothers me is not myself. Like I'm so far past it for me, but for my family. Yeah. No, that's fair. That type of stuff does not sit well with me because you could ask Will Compton. You could ask any of my teammates. My dad was never in the building.

He was never telling anyone what plays they needed to run. He was never micromanaging anything. And for a military veteran of 21 years to put his time in and serve this country, for them to constantly go around making those lies because they're trying to paint it in a certain way as to why it didn't work.

that bothers me. Dan Snyder, the whole story is Dan Snyder walked in the locker room and he did walk to me, but he didn't brush past Kirk Cousins. He walked to me and he said, hey, I heard you worked out in pregame and they said you'll be ready to go next week. Then he turned around and he congratulated Kirk Cousins on the job that he did.

And for them to change that story to make it seem like it was something that it wasn't, it's always bothered me. Yeah, that's fair. I hadn't heard that story in years. But when he came on the show and he said that, I was like, that's fucking bullshit. I had never heard this story. So I wish I had and been able to correct him. Now we'll just say, Mike Silver, you're a liar. So now he's got to come on.

back on I would love to come on the show with Mike Silver alright we'll do it we'll get it done I would love to come on with Mike Silver because the lies that he tells and whether it's in the book or not I don't know if it's in the book if it's in the book I might sue the shit out of him

who but if the lies that they tell about that stuff it's defamatory towards my family I will always protect my family yeah no that's if that didn't happen I would be very upset that's completely fair yeah and I guess I'm not mad at you guys about it I more so saw it and I was like you know what I think I'm gonna be at bar so soon I'm just gonna talk to my guys Big Cat and PFT about it because going online and talking about it isn't gonna do

anything. No, you're right. I was smart. Let's just have the conversation. No parent has ever been in the locker room screaming at a coach. Yeah, it's it never happens. It would never happen. No team would allow that to happen. The only time my dad has ever been in the locker room was when I got knocked out of that Atlanta Falcons game.

because then they bring your family to the locker room to check on you when you're hurt. You have a head injury. That's it. You have a head injury. Yeah. So that bothered me. Well, I'm happy you were able to say that because we obviously didn't know the story, so we're sitting here like, oh, that's crazy. And you handled it the right way. I mean, listen, sometimes it's better not to fight on the internet. Correct. That's what I did when you were taking the not victory lap on me.

I literally, I responded, I was like, RG3, I'll see you in literally four days. We'll talk about it then. And then I hit mute conversation. Because everybody's like, hey, big cat, he took a

It's like, no, I like RG3. I'm not going to let other people try to put a wedge here. No, I like you guys. I think what you do is phenomenal. The way you connect with your fans is great. Everything today has been top notch. I look forward to the stream later. Yes. All right. And we'll have to catch a Commander's game together. We're going to go to the Cowboys game. It was on Sunday. But if there's a Monday night game in D.C. and you have that available, I will be there no matter what. Love it. I appreciate that. Last request I have for you guys. Would you guys like to come with me? Is this Chris Hunt? To run with the Bulls. Oh.

Can you do it? When? We've talked about this being a punishment. I don't want to. But I want to. I want to. Come on. I don't want to, but I feel like I should. No, I'm the opposite. I want to. I don't want to have to travel.

Like, if you could bring the Bulls here, I'd fucking run with the Bulls every day. We might actually have to pull that off. But, like, I don't really want to get on a flight in July and have to go to Spain. Yeah, when is it? It's in Spain. It's in July. It's the first two weeks of July. That happens to be when we usually take a vacation. And chill week. Can you find us some Bulls that we could do it here? What about chill week in Spain? Chill week in Spain. Chill week in Spain. Yeah. I...

I'm going to put me down as a maybe. I'm going to tell you, I think I'm in. But chill week.

But we could do Chill Week in Spain. Well, the whole point of Chill Week is the interviews. There are no interviews in Spain? No. Yes, we can get some interviews in Spain. Messi? Max is shaking his head. He agrees with me. We already have plans. We already have sold Chill Week. This is already sold. Do we know the date? Yeah, what date is it? They do it every year. So I'm out this year. I know the date for... I'm out this year. Okay. But I'm in for a future year. Okay.

I'm going to hold you to it. We don't even know if the dates might not conflict. Let's look at the dates. I don't think they conflict.

Oh, fuck you, memes. Good man memes. This is last year's date. Last year's date was July 10th. That's exactly when we're in Tahoe. Oh, we're going to Tahoe again? Yeah. Oh, okay. Because, I mean, we did it last year. It was the best thing ever. Was it great? Well, we got like, I don't know, 10 interviews, incredible interviews. There's a lot of people there. I was there. Face to face. Tahoe is a monster now. Yeah, all right. Top notch. July 7th through 14th. That's literally chill week.

That's the Bulls? Yeah. All right. We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. I want to do it. I've always wanted to do it. I've just never wanted to travel. I don't want to do it, but I'm in. Yeah. I'm reluctant. I know exactly what you mean. You know what I'm saying? I know exactly what you mean. Sometimes you have to take stuff that feels so wrong and be like, you know what? Yes. I also wouldn't hate getting roughed up just a little bit by a Bull. Really? Not fully roughed up.

I don't want to get dragged on. You want the horns from the bull. I would like just not the horns. Maybe like the bull like head butts my ass or something. Because concerned after all the bad shit he said about the bulls for the last 10 years. Yeah, they're going to come after me. Oh, I've always thought it looks like the most exciting thing ever. And also, I'm an idiot. So I'm like, I have no problem getting out of the way. I think it'd be awesome. I might end up killing a bull.

With my strength? Am I allowed to take any mind-altering substances before I run with these bulls? Yeah, for sure. I can neither confirm nor deny if you have taken any mind-altering substances. Okay. All right. So put it on the list. Put it on the list. It's that and climbing Kilimanjaro with Chris Long. Yeah, we'll do that. We owe him that. Really? Yeah. You guys are climbing Kilimanjaro? Well, we say yes to a lot of things. Okay. Yeah. But I would like to do this. Okay. So we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. We'll make it happen. All right. RG3, thanks so much, man. Appreciate you guys.

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How you doing? What's up? I'm not doing great. I have about five Firefests currently going on all at once. Five Alarm Firefests? One of which I'm not even ready to... We'll talk about in a couple weeks. And then the other one, I'm just going to brain dump because I don't even really know where to start or finish. Okay. And then hopefully we just come to a solution. Okay. Inside Hank's head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

nine darter yep yeah dunking yeah uh i i know i said i was going to do the nine darter fanny woodhead when we've fanny woodhead's looking good by the way uh let me stop you before this i am looking good i mean kind of i have talked that's not even on the list but that's like a future fire i've talked to a tattoo artist i think i'm getting my tattoo next week well maybe we can maybe we can collab uh no i i'm just gonna pay off my bet oh okay

Cool. Baseball streams also not looking great. Uh-oh.

The boys are down bad. I was going to get a perm two weeks ago. The boys are down bad. But I couldn't. I will be getting a perm. We're trying with baseball. We are trying very, very hard. We want to make it the best video possible, and we've had some hurdles. The weather. Yeah, with the nine-darter, that's part of it, too, is where I've kind of planned it out because I came to the realization that since Max chose a punishment that's literally physically impossible. If you guys had to do it, none of us would be able to do it. It would take years, months.

centuries wait you could veto yeah i just didn't realize how hard it was when i you run a marathon why i already we already went through this process whatever um so came up with a plan for a stream where basically i live in the office for like three or four days and there's you know stipulations every 12 hours it gets easier and easier so that way you know at some point it can finish it's not going to be nine consecutive darts but it's like you know

enough where the punishment is paid off because i've literally stayed at this office for four days but with the dunk training also coming down to the wire i kind of have been in the head of like i need every you know all the time that i can have this is an easy solution focus on what just do the nine darter in january that's what we got we got nothing going on in january do the nine darter in january all right that's great great yeah easy and i was gonna say like

With the four days, there's going to be other stuff that's going on during the streams because it's like I can't just throw darts the whole time. So stuff like getting a tattoo or whatever. Oh, okay. I can do that. But yeah, just do the nine darter in January. Focus on dunking now. It will all get paid off. It's also something to look forward to in January because there's nothing like... Obviously, the weekends have playoff football, but during the week, we'll find a time and we'll do it. At least you're getting a sick car soon.

No, I said two weeks ago. Oh, no. I forgot about that. I have a sick car. Okay. No, you have a nice car. Is it sick? It's pretty sick. I don't know. It's got some damage. I drove in it the other day. It's a little tiny. I'm being honest. It's a little tight. Like, I was parking Hank's car, and...

My car is large. And so I was like, oh, shit, can I fit in this spot? And I parallel parked and I was like, oh, my God, I can put another car in here. Yeah. So tiny. So cute. It's like putting your little pocket. Yeah. Boyfriend car. That's a plus. It's not guy from the bar. It's a plus right there that he just said your car stinks because you can get into parking spots. No, no, no. It's so small that I could put it in my pocket. I'm Hank.

Fight back. Yeah, no, I mean, you have kids and shit. I don't. So I don't really need large space. I'm also not, you know, I don't have to worry about my personal size. Like you do. That's good. Way to go, Max. Get him. Get him. All right, Max just pumped you up. Also, Hank's pole in the parking lot has claimed another victim. There was a shattered brake light.

Oh, it wasn't you. It was red because I was like, oh boy. No, it wasn't me. Somebody else because Hank installed that pole directly in the middle of the parking lot where nobody can see it. He did. And removed the yellow paint advising people caution. Another car from Barstool Sports, an anonymous employee has backed into it. Yeah. That's two pelts on the wall for that pole, Hank. I hope you're happy. Okay. Good job. Glad we got that figured out.

Glad we got that figured out. Yeah, me too. All right. Uh, PFT, uh, my fire fest of the week is Turkey. I didn't go there for hair plugs. I already got my hair plugs in the United States, but Turkey, the bird. Uh, so I, I had planned on deep frying a Turkey for the boys for, uh, for this Thursday stream. We're going to fry Turkey, have a nice post Thanksgiving feast. And I planned, I planned a little bit ahead on this, but I got fucked at every single turn. So on Tuesday, uh,

I was like, okay, we got to get a turkey because if I get a frozen one, it has to have time to defrost. Or I could get a fresh one and then we could go ahead and get the brine going, put the seasoning and the rubbing on there. So on Tuesday, I ordered a fresh turkey from the store.

And they said, okay, no problem. It'll be delivered soon. It got delivered Tuesday around lunchtime. And I forget if Max brought it in or Paige brought it in, but it was a tiny little bag. And I paid $50 for this turkey. And I took the bag and looked inside, and they brought me two turkey drumsticks.

And the price on there was $7. And they still charged me $50 in the app. And I was like, what's going on with this? This is not right. So now that's a thing I have to fix. Go back and forth to the app, get a refund. But still, it's okay. We got plenty of time to get a turkey. No big deal. So Paige hit me up and she was like, hey, I can have somebody go get a turkey for you. We've got Jacob, the intern on it. Cool. No problem. We'll have the turkey in plenty of time. Jacob goes out, runs to the store, comes back.

We get done recording part of my take and Jacob's like, great news. I got your turkey for you. And I look at the turkey. I'm like, this turkey is cooked. Oh, it's got nice golden skin on it. Yeah. A full 12 pounder. I think it was like 13, 14 pounds. Max made a free throw with it. And I think I think it was 100 bucks for that turkey. That was $120 turkey. OK, so now we're at $170 for the turkey. And so I was like, Paige, I can't work with this turkey. We can't deep fry turkey that's already cooked. Can't work with this turkey. You can't really, though. No.

It wouldn't be good. No, it would just be way too cooked. Yeah. So then Paige is like, don't worry about it. We'll get you a fresh turkey. We're calling butcher shops right now. I was like, cool. Sounds great. Max hit me up and he's like, great news. We found a fresh turkey. We're going to go pick it up. And then he updated me to say we have acquired the turkey and it is now in the walk-in fridge here. It's a fresh turkey. You'll be able to freeze it. No problem on Thursday. Right.

Fry it. Yeah, no problem on Thursday. So then we get back in the office yesterday and we go to start seasoning this turkey. Myself, Max, Chef Donnie.

And we take the turkey out of the bag, and there's never been a worse smelling thing that I've ever smelled in my entire life. It was a rotted turkey. They sold a rotted turkey. Oh. $200. Oh. $200 for that fresh turkey. Additional? Yes, additional. So now we're at, what, $370 for no turkey. But PFT, we're still getting a fried turkey tonight, right? No, because the thing was, because the fresh turkey was there.

I now waited so long that I lost time to defrost a frozen turkey. Next week?

If we can find... I don't think there are any turkeys in Chicago anymore. They stopped selling them. They stopped selling... It's like trying to buy a pumpkin after Thanksgiving. Yeah, it's like the Halloween stores that pop up every year. Yeah, the bird deadline has passed. Yeah. And now we can't have any turkey tonight, which is a bummer. But I could do one next week with a frozen turkey. That would be fine because there's plenty of frozen turkeys out there. Yeah. But yeah, this has been just a nightmare trying to find a turkey this week. So $370 down the drain. Yeah.

I got to say, I don't think collectively... That's worse than your firefights. I don't think collectively as an entire unit we've been this much of a mess ever.

Yeah, we're in a bad spot. Also, you can watch everything that PFT just said on PFTV. We're in a bad spot. We're all... Yeah. We're all... Watch all of this debacle go down. President Pug, who is as wise as he is benevolent, he documented the entire thing with the understanding that we were going to get a fried turkey paid off on Thursday and the boys would have a nice feast before football.

So he was falling around the entire time. So yeah, you can watch that on PMTV. Yeah, no, we're... I got an idea. We're in a bad spot, though. I had a real sentence to Hank last week. I was like, hey, Hank, I'm seeing a therapist. You want him? I was like, I can recommend you. That's where we're at. It's been a long football season. What if you fry the turkey during the dart stream? Oh, yeah.

okay okay january i love it that's yeah that's forever what if jerry tries to get a hole in one during the dark street i just i'm i'm just disappointed because i love fried turkey yeah we i was the best that's good idea let's do a good news yeah what baseball might be back oh we're back let's go all right back all right just got a text okay i might be back okay we're working we're working um all right uh my fryer fest is a little different uh

So I've talked about it, but my daughter is... I've raised a troll. She's a troll in my image. She literally does things to me that I recognize myself. I'm like, you're just trolling. So they send pictures from her school. And the other day, it was like, what do you want for the holidays? And her answer was a baby. And...

I asked her later that night, I was like, what did you mean by a baby, like a doll baby? And she won't give me a straight answer. So I think she just wants to have another sibling. She wants a little brother. Yeah. Yeah. She has a little brother. She probably wants a little sister, but she won't. She'll like smile. I'm like, do you want a real life baby or a doll baby? And she just kind of smiles and just looks at me. I'm just like, God damn it. It won't give me an answer, but that's a bad one. Yeah. Yeah.

I can't have another baby. Cannot. When a kid asks you for... Time up. Did you think about it, though? Or are you like, I can't disappoint my daughter. That sounds like you're about to have another baby. We had a conversation like three months ago. It's actually The World Works in a particular way where we had a conversation. We were like...

What if? And then my kids submitted the worst night of dinner and bedtime and bath. And we're like, ha-ha, that's out the window. You got to get snipped. I do. You got to get snipped. I got to get a snipperino. I'm just scared. I don't want to. Fine. You need to get snipped. What if you have six kids? I feel like ten kids is nothing. I don't know why it would be fun. Yeah, what would be fun about it? I don't know. I also don't want – I'm scared.

I'm scared to get snipped. I know that's stupid, but I'm still scared. No, do it during March Madness. No, March Madness is my favorite. That's what I was thinking. No, March Madness, I need to be full. I need to be full of cum. Full of cum. Your testicles need to be working in March Madness. Okay, good show, boys. Memes, do you have a Fyre Fest?

Memes? Oh, he took his headphones off. Memes, we're doing a podcast right now. You're going to have to put your headphones back on. No, he has no headphones on. Memes, put your head... The fact that you were turning mics off during a podcast last... His mic is also not on. He's just saying no. Memes. No. Memes, this is an order. Put...

The people want to hear this. Come on, put on your headphones. Hank, by the way, shout out our guy. Let me find it. Memes, put on your headphones.

He's putting them on. They're not fully on. They're close enough, though. He can hear it. He can hear. Memes, I have good news for you. Here's the good news. Shout out to our guy, deck.dev, who does a really good job with the lottery ball website. Memes, you're not even top three longest days without getting it right. So Hank had a streak of 988 days. That's impossible. Yeah.

That's three years. 988 days is so long. 988 days. Max had 691 days. That doesn't make sense to me, by the way. Yeah, PFT, you had 558 days. Big drought. And then memes, you are at 407 days. I'm after you at 366 days. Pug has only gone 109 days is the longest Pug has gone from getting hit. So memes, um...

Do you have a question for him, PFT? Have you ever gotten this? I couldn't hear you, but I'm opting out going forward. No, you can't do that. You cannot do that. You can't do that. You can't do that. You are not allowed to opt out. This is what we do as a show. Nope. Memes. No, then you're opting out of everything. Done. Your job? Well, I'm... Are you quitting? No speaking. No, no. Then you're quitting.

No, I can still do my job. No, your job is to guess a number here. That's not my job. Yes, it is. It's part of your job. It is 100% part of your job. Imagine if we opted out after a bad loss. That's our job. Do you just compare me to you? Well, I mean, you're opting out after one bad loss. One bad loss and you've opted out. I was just like, the commander's got to hail Mary. I'm not talking about the Bears for the rest of the year.

Well, Big Cat co-host of the number one sports podcast compared to a guy named memes guessing at lottery balls. But it's your job. You're part of the team. You're part of the number one national sports podcast. I'm opting out. No, you can't opt out. You can't opt out. Yeah, Max can pick it. But if you get it. Yeah, then Max got it. That's what he's going to say. What is the ruling going forward?

You can just have PFT and just still make the pick. So, Memes, listen to me, okay? I want you to trust me because you did me a solid. You did a great job picking my number for me.

I just want you to know that I am going to do everything I can to get you this lottery ball, okay? You'll never see a podcaster podcast as hard as I will the rest of the season. You'll never see someone push the rest of the team as hard as I will push everybody the rest of the season. You'll never see a team play harder than we will the rest of the season. God bless. Mm.

It sounds like if you opt out, though, it's just like PFC can pick the right number, but it just doesn't count. No. Yeah. If you're opted out, you're never going to get it. Yeah, I guess. And this will count as days that you didn't get it. I guess that goes to somebody else. Opt back in. Just say a number. It's the show, dude. Come on. Don't do this. This is going to be bad if you try to opt out. And you're not opting out of just talking. You can't do that. Why not? Because this is a podcast. What do you mean? Why not? Just pick. I'll let you pick the number first.

Are you opting out of the booth? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Are you opting out of your job? I don't understand this. No, no, no, just a lottery ball. But this is part of your job. No, you can't do that. This is part of your job. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. If you opt out of a lottery ball, you're opting out of the booth. Is that what you're doing? And then you might be opting out of your job. I love you, memes. You're part of the team. You took one bad loss, and it was a horrific loss because BFT did get it before you, and you've never gotten it.

which that sucks because you've never gotten it. Is that true? It's true. I looked at the stats. You can ask Hank. I mean, Hank's been in this situation. I went twice as long and handled it like an absolute champ. I've never complained once. That's a lie. That's an absolute lie. No, that's true. Yeah, complaining is fine. Opting out is not fine. Hank is the very definition of grace. You can complain. You can bitch. You can do anything you want. That's totally fine. People like that shit from us. You can't opt out.

I guess I'm in. Yeah. Wow. That's the spirit. All right. So what is it with conviction numbers? Go ahead. Memes. Am I picking my own? Yeah. We need a ruling from Pug. Just to make sure this is all. By the way, Pug walked into the studio the other day and Memes just said, what's up, Hollywood? Memes picks his own number. Okay, great. Okay, great. Great. Memes.

I'll go two for Ash and Jenty. Okay. We're going back to back. Memes has gone to the dark side and created a Travis Hunter cardio king guy now. Just off that. All right. It would be a great show if you guys lost the Heisman. There we go. Did you not bet it too? No. Oh. All right. I'll go three. I'll go 12. Good pick, Hank. 11. 99. 76. Wait, what was that, Jack? 21.

Jack, what was that? 44. 44. 71 was yours, Shane? 21. 21. Memes, have you ever gotten this?

I have. No, no, no. I've guessed. You've never gotten this, dude. I've guessed. No, you've never gotten this. PFT, have you ever guessed a number right? The question was, have you ever gotten this? Have you ever gotten this? Tune in again. Have you ever gotten this? PFT has won it. He's never gotten it. Have you ever gotten this? He's never gotten it. I got it. He got it. No, he got it. He got it. I got it. PFT. No, he didn't get it. No, he didn't get it. He needed help getting the turkey. He needed help getting the ball. Six.

You've never gotten this. God help us all if Jack gets this before memes. That's what all the listeners are crying for. 44. Now we need PFT to pick it on his own. He's got it. I got it. He said, well, he's incapable of doing anything on his own. His entire Firefest was other people messing up.

No, I screwed up the delivery. You were like, ah, Jacob couldn't do this. Max couldn't do that. He couldn't do that. Yes, he's back in. I mean, I can't help what the butcher gives me. No, no, I'm not blaming Max. I'm just saying these are the events that transpired. He's opted back in. Let's go. This is your Joker arc right now. Dude, memes has always been the Joker. I know, but it's now like everyone's seeing it in the light of day. He was in Joker denial. Yeah. Yeah. He's truly a...

He's an angry boy. Agent of chaos. He's an angry boy. What's up, Yang? And also, you know what I realized the other day? We got too many Italians. That entire booth is Italians. Outside of Jack, every single one of these fucking guys got a vowel on their last name. So they just get in that little box and they just get angry Italians. It's fucking nuts. Memes turning into Joe Pesci right now. Pug, what?

Jack is confirmed half Italian. Oh, my God. All right. So, yeah, it's just disgusting. Damn. There's too many Italians in one booth. I like that we got him locked up in a cell. We should actually put a big Italy flag behind you guys. Just remind us every time. I would love that. Every time you get mad, we're like, oh, Italian. Are you mad? Like a chart, maybe. Like the zero to ten hurt chart at the hospital. It's just where are you right now? Are you angry or Italian?

I'm just Italian. No, memes is angry. Yeah, memes is angry and Italian. Yep. Shades of Pervert. Shades of Pervert. All right. See ya. Love you guys.