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Hello, what's up everybody? Welcome to a brand new episode of Part of the Problem. I'm Dave Smith. He is Robbie the Fire Bernstein. We are live. We are all together in studio. You're back. That's right. Like a dysfunctional family that, you know, has been separated for a prolonged period of time. There's some abuse allegations. But at the end of the day, we all still love each other, you know? Yeah. Welcome back from the road. Thank you, sir. How your travel's been going? Oh, it's...

Is Newark still all messed up? I've had a few weeks off here and I have not been keeping up. Is it still like you don't fly into Newark? No, I fly. Well, yesterday was JFK. I had the greatest weekend out in Texas. All the shows were great, but it's go mode. It's wake up. He drives to the next location. It's getting after it.

But I was joking last night that I think I just need to start like losing my shit earlier because the universe seems to want to push you to that breaking point. And so I was smooth all day. It was it was a long work day. And then I 95 at one thirty in the morning driving back from the airport was just shut down for construction. I just sat on the highway for like a half hour after like the five hour plane ride in the sitting in the airport. And I was like, all right, universe, you got me. This is my breaking point. You found it.

That is, yeah, that's rough. That sucks. But anyways, it was a great time out in Texas. Now I got 10 days out west. So working backwards, Las Vegas. I'm playing the club out there. You can find that on their website. That's Wise Guys. Then me and you, Salt Lake City. Those were great shows last year. And then I got Reno, San Jose, Sandpoint, and Portland. Nice, nice, nice. Yeah, looking forward to going back out to Salt Lake City. The Mormons show up for us.

And they laugh at filthy stuff. They're so repressed. Yeah, no, they're dying for it. That's as close... Listening to Rob Bernstein's comedy is as close as Mormons are allowed to, like, experiencing happiness. So, like, that's it. They can only get it through you. I remember last year, someone had told me... Some things just get bad information. Someone said, you know, that club makes you work clean.

And I go, no one told me that. And I don't have clean. I'm doing what I do. I hope that's not a problem. That is Rob working clean. You're watching right now. So I showed up a little bit nervous that maybe it was a more conservative market. And then I remember that first show. I just told some filthy soaking joke right up front. And it was like a big blast. I was like, no, these people rule. Yeah, I remember. I remember you saying something about that to me and being like, let's go do what you do. But like, I always it's a weird thing.

Like it's a weird dynamic, but this happens a lot in comedy where sometimes the people who you would think are you're you almost get in your own head and you're like, oh, they're not going to like this filthy joke. But then the person who looks like they were actually loves it the most. You know what I mean? Because like they kind of need that. This is the only time they're getting that. You're bringing hope to these Mormons. I don't care what anybody says. Excuse me. All right. So.

By the way, I just some somebody just informed me on Twitter earlier today, but it was people were sharing a bunch of the clips from my Chris Cuomo debate, which was evidently a year ago.

It's like a couple days ago, I think actually, but I think it might be a year ago that like it was the clips were being posted, but yeah, one year anniversary. I've taken that man's soul. I've taken, I've claiming a Cuomo soul. We need to get a fake fireplace place here. And then like fake pictures as if we got the heads on the mantle. Yeah. Oh, there you go. Of all the debate victims. Oh, I'll tell you who my next one is that I'm working on is Dave Rubin. Fun. Cause he was talking all types of shit about me. Um,

and so then I challenged him and he, he said, you know, in some snotty, he was like, Oh, when I get back from that tiny little country that rules your mind or something, cause I guess he's in Israel, but he agreed to it trying to see if a Patrick, but David will do that one. Another Cuomo style. I want to, I just thought for that one, it should be like a three hour live debate. And, um,

Yeah, I think that'll be I think that one would be a lot of fun. I think people would enjoy it another head from the mantle I like it. Yeah Dave Smith collection. Well, it's like I don't know why I mean look Dave Rubin's like a big enough guy He's got millions of followers. He's got a big channel Me and him were always kind of cool Like we're never like friends But we were always cool and we've done shows and we've been at events together and stuff always had nothing but nice things to say about me and

And then, of course, now now because I'm on the wrong side in his view of the Israel issue. Now he's just like someone someone asked him like a question at some Q&A thing. And they just asked him about the what he thought about the debate with me and Douglas Murray. And he just went on this whole thing about he goes, Dave's an idiot. He doesn't know what he's talking about. And look, I'll allow a lot of people to say I'm an idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about. Fair play for most people. Not Dave fucking Rubin.

I'm sorry, dude. Why specifically Dave Rubin? Because he's the fucking dumbest influencer in America. I mean, listen, I know in general, my rule of thumb, which I'm trying to live by now, is I'm looking for formidable debate opponents. I want to debate who's the best you guys got on this subject. That's why I debated that Alex guy from Kato. He really is, I think, the best guy on

on the open borders libertarian side. He wore a suit and brought a folder and everything. Yeah, he's a suit and folder guy, you know? That's what... So I'm trying to not just like... But then, so this is more in the mold of like the Laura Loomer debate. But at the same time, you know, every now and then, if someone who's got a huge audience is talking crazy shit about me, I feel like that's like, okay, so...

Let's see. Let's see who knows what they're talking about. Dave, how long in Israel for? Because you got a lot of reading to do to catch up to know as little as I know about this shit. So let's go. You're throwing some good shit talk at him, telling him that he's got Lord of Loomer status. So, well, he already agreed to it. And I will shame him endlessly now if he backs out, which I think there's a chance he might. But hopefully I was surprised that he had been agreed. So, like, let's see what's up.

How many more till you get your hands on Ben Shapiro? How many more do you got to take down? I don't think Ben Shapiro will ever do it. I don't think he'll ever do it. That's my guess.

I don't know. Isn't it crazy? I know I've made this point before, but is it not crazy that he's never debated anyone on the topic? And tell me if I'm wrong about that. Maybe Natalie, maybe just even if you just like Google search that real quick. I don't think and I'm not saying like, but you know, a rotating or like a student, a 20 year old asking a question at college after a speech doesn't count. But like, has Ben Shapiro ever had a one on one debate against a competent opponent?

And while you're on Google, if you can ask them if I should shave my arms, they look disgusting on this camera. Nah, dude, you can't. Bro, you're fucking crushing it. Yeah. College students. That's right. And then he said, so there's the clip of, uh, which is what comes up as I can see on Natalie's monitor there. Um,

But there's a clip where Rogan, back in the day, he was on Rogan, and Rogan was like, I'd really love to see you debate someone on this. And then he says, sure, I'll do it. Apparently, he and Destiny talked about it on Lex Freeman. Yeah, they're both on the same side of that issue. That's not a fucking debate. It says debate. Yeah, they probably debated other things. They probably debated other things and then talked about how they agreed about that shit or whatever. But yeah.

Who could talk fast and say less? Who can talk faster and be more dishonest competition? But yeah, it's like so I don't know. I doubt I doubt he's going to do it with me, but I'm ready if he wants to.

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All right, let's get back into the show. Kind of on topic of this, but I did want to... There's a couple clips. There's one that you sent to me, Rob, that was, oh my God, difficult to get through. This one is also pretty brutal. But I, you know, seeing as how this was something... I don't know if I mentioned this on yesterday's show, but the debate that I did on Piers Morgan with...

Natasha, I'm blanking on her last name, but the international lawyer. This was one of the things that came up in that debate. By the way, it's out today. So if you're watching this live, it'll be out in a few hours, I think at 2 p.m. Eastern, I believe it's out. For those of you guys who are watching this on like YouTube or podcasts, whatever's, it was out earlier this afternoon. By the way, I should mention, if you do want to watch the shows live, ad-free, uncensored, and

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Okay, so anyway, this kind of came up a little bit in our debate. And then here, the first clip we're going to play is Barry Weiss, formerly of the New York Times. She's now with the Free Press, I believe is her organization that she started. And here she was on with our dear friends, Joe and Mika.

on MSNBC, seeing eye to eye with the hosts of MSNBC, of course. But here is Barry Weiss talking about the rise of anti-Semitism and, of course, the... Well, I don't know what... I don't think anyone actually died in Colorado. I was going to say the murders out there. Two people were murdered in D.C. Did anyone die in Colorado or were they, like, set on fire or whatever? I don't exactly know the details. I believe there were deaths. Okay, maybe that's right. I don't remember, but...

Okay. All right. So let's play. Feels different, Joe, is if we think back five, six years ago to the massacre that happened at the synagogue where I became a bat mitzvah, tree of life in Pittsburgh, where 11 Jews were massacred, there were two key differences. The first one is that the person that was radicalized

seemed mentally deranged. The second thing is that there was universal condemnation and outrage by the surrounding culture. It was front page news. No one had any trouble condemning it. No one had any trouble calling it for what it was, which was absolutely evil. So fast forward to these two recent attacks.

The perpetrator in the case of the DC rampage, the murder of Yaron Lashinsky and Sarah Milgram, two names that should be known to everyone in this country, but you will see no celebrities making videos

making sure that we know and say their names. He was extraordinarily articulate. He was evil when you read his manifesto, but he was an incredibly coherent, if not morally upside down worldview. So that's the first thing. He was radicalized by a movement that has created a permission structure for violence and the hunting of

of publicly recognized Jews in this country. The second thing is the unbelievable silence of the surrounding culture and if not silence, open glorification on the part of some leftist groups that are celebrating this attack. That is the core difference that we've seen over the span of those five or six years and I think one of the things that's been so alarming to watch in this country is that

since October 7th, the open anti-Semitism in this country has become more profound, not less. And I think it's...

I THINK IT'S PROFOUNDLY UNFORTUNATE THAT PEOPLE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE HISTORY AND DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT BEGINS WITH JEWS DOES NOT END WITH JEWS. FUNDAMENTALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT IS AN ATTACK ON THE RULE OF LAW, ATTACK ON THE IDEA THAT INDIVIDUALS, MINORITIES IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD BE SAFE.

and fundamentally an attack on the West and on America itself. What starts with the Jews doesn't end with the Jews. And the lesson of history, unfortunately, is people often don't realize that until it's too late. All right. So there you have it from Barry Weiss. I guess I would start by saying it's one of these examples where I feel like people kind of like,

They almost just make up the world that they're living in to suit their narrative. Like, I genuinely don't know what the hell she's talking about when she's saying that people have trouble condemning these attacks. I would describe them as pretty universally condemned. I don't know who I mean, I'm not saying like you can't find anyone who has a crazy view and goes, yes, that was great. But.

There's about as broad a consensus as there is on anything. It's probably up there with like pedophiles are bad that people go like, yeah, you can't murder people. You know, that's horrible to do that. So I just don't think that's right. I don't think I mean, obviously, you know, it's a little bit strange when you see like you would look at, say,

Where the administration is, I mean, we're going to stay on this topic for a little bit here, but where the administration is on anti-Semitism, the amount of speech laws that have been passed, the amount of support Israel gets from this administration, the last administration, every administration. Obviously, she's on MSNBC right now. The two hosts are completely agreeing with her. I don't know how you can get from that to like, nobody's willing to condemn this. It's like, yeah, it's horrible.

And nobody, like, I don't know. I don't think any reasonable person is defending this. That might be a little bit of a tautology. But I'm just saying, like, I don't think that's actually an accurate claim. It's kind of like when a lot of these, a lot of the pro-Israel people will say things like,

Nobody condemned October 7th when it happened. The world couldn't even condemn that. And you're like, what world were you living in? Like, everybody was condemning it. Everybody I know was condemning it. Everyone I see is condemning it. In fact, I can't believe...

For the first year, it took like a full year of Israel's destruction of Gaza before the first question I'd get asked on every single interview would be, do you condemn the atrocity of October 7th? Like, it was just, oh, you know, and always be like, yes, of course, that's bad. But...

Essentially, Rob, and you know this, right? What she's engaging in, which is also at one point what this international lawyer who I was debating on Piers Morgan did, was it is just...

And I really, I can't express how much contempt I have for people who use this line of political argumentation. There is no lower form of political argument, no more dishonorable form of political argument than...

Um, there's an act of violence that's randomly committed. And then I'm going to say that you are actually the one who created the fertile ground for this random act of violence. It's just pathetic. And that's what she's setting up here. Any any thoughts, Rob?

I don't like listening to her. I feel like I'm in trouble with my mom. She does have that vibe. So I'd like to start off by saying that I think the better conversation to be had in this incident is the problem with the illegal immigration and the fact that people are in this country illegally.

Yeah, I mean, that's the other thing. And I don't think you even need to have much of a conversation in regards to this particular instance of American anti-Semitism, because this was a legal foreign national who was living in the United States of America who shouldn't have been here. Now, to be fair, not in D.C., but that is the case in the Colorado case. Yes, yes. No, I mean, I think you're certainly right about that. I also do just think like it's remarkable to me

that people like Barry Weiss, she could say with a straight face, you know, she can go, you know, okay, so there was this attack on a synagogue five years ago. It was universally condemned, but we've actually seen, and she says, we've actually seen a rise of antisemitism since October 7th. And she says it as if like, it's like, well, look, you know, the Jews were like attacked and antisemitism has gone up since the attack.

as if there was nothing else there.

Like you're just going to yada yada over the 20 months of the absolute destruction of a captive people that like what, I don't know. It's just too. It's also, if you're, if you're trying to define, or if your mind, you define being anti-Israel as being antisemitic, then yes, there's been a rise of antisemitism in this country. But if you don't define taking a stance against Israel as being antisemitic, I'm not sure that there's a rise in antisemitism. Uh,

And then furthermore, there's a way and we're going to see another clip of this, but there's an even bigger problem of trying to pretend that being pro-Palestinian actually makes you pro-Hamas. And they're really trying to blur these lines. Yeah. Oh, there's no question. I mean, it's look, there is there is nobody, nobody in America. You know, it's it's a little bit different in Israel. The dynamics a little bit different there. But there's no one person.

Who's critical of Israel in America, who has not been called an anti-Semite at one point, including Jews. No, you know what I mean? Like nobody has not been called an anti-Semite. It doesn't matter how much, you know, I said this at one point when I was on Rogan. But I was like, you know, guys like Tucker Carlson and Thomas Massey get called anti-Semitic.

By professional people in polite circles. These are people who have never once in their life said the Jews like they just never talk that way. They're just not like that. And so. So, right. Yes. If you're if you're defining anti-Semitism as, you know, they're freaking people calling Miss Rachel an anti-Semite.

Who did Miss fucking Rachel? Who's Miss Rachel? Oh, yeah. There's a good reason. You shouldn't know. So Miss Rachel is... She does like children's programming. My kids watched her. It's like my kids have aged out of her a little bit. She's like for little kids. But she does...

It's actually really good. She's does like educational programming, but she does it with like, um, like she must've been, um, trained as like a speech therapist or something like that. But she does all these like techniques that are like actually really good for like babies. It gets them like talking and thinking. And then she does songs and like, it's, it's like a, it's like a Sesame street on YouTube, but, uh, but better, like scientifically better. And, um,

She's enormously successful. It's like her views. You get into these things when you have kids where you like find like these shows on YouTube and you're like, oh, it's a cute little show we found. And then you look at that and it's 80 million people have seen it. And you're like, oh, this is bigger than anything in the world. So she's huge. She's like blew up. Parents love her because it's actually like it's like quality programming for, you know, little kids. And she's clearly a lefty.

She never says anything political in her shows, but one of her partners is a trans person in there. In the show? Yeah, but it's not like... Are you playing a Barney character? No, it's a...

a chick. It's a woman who's like, at least presents as transgender. But like, that's never the topic. It's not like they're just singing songs and shit. And it's less flagrant than when dudes are trying to be women. Yeah, we don't really have a problem with that. We're pro-lesbo over here on this show. But, so anyway, nothing about it's ever been political, and she just...

was like, like had, I think a few posts about how she's so sad for the babies in Gaza. Cause she loves kids and she loves all kids. And like all kids have value. That's, that's literally what she's got. And then she did this thing, which I will say it literally, it just really got to me. Actually, this guy was crying when I saw this, but, uh, she did this thing where some, some little girl who got her leg blown off in Gaza now has like an artificial leg. And she did a video with her where she like sang a song and

A Mr. Rogers thing where they put on shoes together? No, no, they didn't do shoes. But it's really, I mean, it is, you know, it's like, it's the song that my kids used to dance to. It's just, it really got me. But anyway, that's it. They're calling her a Jew hater just for being like, hey, these babies. Like, it's so insane. You can't, like, but again, look, I would say, look, according to my Twitter feed, it does seem like there's been a rise in, like,

whatever you want to call it. Like there's a rise in people like talking about the Jews in a not very nice way. But again, it just, it seems to me to be,

baffling like it's When you're saying okay after October 7th We actually saw an increase in anti-semitism and you're saying as if like the Jews get attacked and then you hate them more for being Attacked and you're not pointing out the tens of thousands of dead babies since then like that's not gonna come up It's literally like on the level of like if you

If you got, I don't know, you bring flowers to your wife and she goes, I just got off the phone with your mistress and found out that you've been cheating on me for five years. I'm furious at you. And you go, I bring you flowers and you're furious.

That's your response to flowers. And you're like, you're just going to yada yada over that middle part. Like that was the whole thing. So like, I'm sorry, but like the, the rise in, uh, criticism and hatred of, of Israel and,

more broadly of Jewish people, is very clearly a result of this. To deny that, you'd have to be arguing it's just a coincidence. It's a gigantic coincidence that over the last 20 months we've seen this increase. And again, as I've said before on the show,

I don't think it's right to blame Jewish people for the crimes of a government. Like, I think that it does not follow at all. I'm not letting those people off the hook. Those people have agency and they're responsible for their actions or their words. But, you know, again, as I've said before, if a bunch of black people go into an area and just start jumping people, beating them up and mugging them,

And this happens over and over again. Do you could you predict that the level of like anti-black racism is going to go up, go down or stay the same?

It seems like a reasonable prediction that probably it'll go up a little bit. And that might be one of the costs of, say, black crime in a specific area is that people end up being more suspicious or hostile toward black people in general. Now, that's not the appropriate response. It's not fair to blame a black dude who had nothing to do with that. But at the same time, you know, if you're going to like look at this.

and not even address that factor, like, sorry, you're not really having a real conversation now. You're just spouting propaganda. All right, guys, let's take a moment and thank our sponsor for today's show, which is Prolon by El Nutra.

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Okay, let's move over to the... I just want to close out. I think it would also help if people like Barry Weiss didn't go on the news and act so Jew-y. I mean, give it a shot. Just try. Me and you, we're doing our part in being less Jew-y. So just follow our lead and just be less Jew-y, and then people won't dislike us as much. I mean, it is... In life in general, just being cool goes a long way.

It's like, just be cool. That'll probably help. But that's not in the cards for everybody. All right. This next clip, this one was tough to get through. But so Scott Jennings, who I've always not particularly cared for, nothing against him personally. I don't know that much about him.

I know that he's a Bush era Republican and I tend to just kind of dismiss those guys. You know, some forms of prejudice are necessary and you just, at a certain point you're like, I can't, you know, I can't memorize everybody's fucking, you know, history. But there's something about him, what I don't care for. And this is a, there's, there's a, you know, a larger dynamic, which we've, we've talked about on the show, but this was true, uh,

kind of throughout all of wokeism, where there would become these, like, conservative firebrands who would rise up because they're taking on wokeism. And then it's almost like because people like that they're dunking on these people, you almost, like, they get a free pass on whatever awful views they may have or whatever awful track record they may have. You know, there's lots of examples of this, but where people will be...

You know, it's like, okay, I think like trans ideology is kind of crazy. And I think that the way that it was pushed on society was appalling.

Um, but then you'll have some, you know, conservative who's like, uh, you know, was, was lecturing every, but was supporting lockdowns, was supporting the wars, was lecturing everybody to take their COVID vaccine was, you know, like all just terrible and everything. But then there'll be like, you're not a dude, you're a chick.

And I'm supposed to give this person some type of credit for that. Like I'm supposed to be like, Oh, this guy's really nailing it. Like you got the most simple thing, right. And everything that matters wrong. And so I do, I'm not saying this is exactly the case with, with Scott, but I do think that it's like,

he sits around on these CNN panels with the dumbest fucking people making the most pathetic arguments. And then everyone's like, look, he owned the room. And it's like, yeah, you put anyone competent in there and they're going to own that room. It's like, I don't, I'm not impressed. Um, but anyway, he's become the guy who is like the only thing that's consistently going viral on CNN is him destroying all the libs. Um,

Anyway, this was from, I don't know, Rob, you sent this to me. Where was this? Yesterday, something? It's a pretty recent clip. We're back to Jake Tapper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's right, right, right. There we go. All right, so let's play this clip with no further ado. And what more do we need to see, Jake, before we realize this Free Palestine movement is nothing more than a...

domestic terror organization right now. I mean, we had the killings in Washington a couple of weeks ago. We had this issue in Colorado. We've seen, you know, the activities on college campuses now for months and months and months and months. The rise of anti-Semitism in America, the rise in the number of people who have come to America who hold anti-American views, anti-Western views, and anti-Semitic views and are now willing to act on it.

It is absolutely outrageous. And I think as a society, we need to understand we are dealing with domestic terrorism. It's growing more violent by the day. And if we don't deal with it, these kinds of things are going to keep happening in cities all over the place. It's awful. And we need to come to grips with the fight that we're in right now in America, a fight for the future of our country and the future of Western civilization, in my opinion. David Axelrod.

Yeah, no, listen, Jake, I'm the son of a Jewish refugee who escaped. His home was blown up and he escaped from actually Ukraine back in the day and came here to seek refuge.

And so, you know, I feel very, very deep. I haven't come to this lately. I feel very deeply about this issue. And I think questions will be asked about how this guy tried to get a gun. He was refused the gun because he was not supposed to be in the country and nothing was done about that. I think that is a fair question to ask. But we also, you know, when I was in the White House,

It was the FBI who kept close tabs on all of this stuff. I don't know why they failed there. And I think and I'm worried a little bit about what's going on now because there's a shift away from that work to other kinds of work.

And I think it makes us more vulnerable. So there are serious questions to be asked about this. I don't think it's the occasion for sort of blank and condemnation of everyone who may feel critical of the Israeli policies in Gaza. But certainly I agree with Scott that it's alarming to see this uptick in anti-Semitism, which you know, Jake, has been going on for years, even before October 7th.

So, I mean...

Look, I don't know. We can get into this a little bit. But what Scott Jennings is doing there is exactly what I just said about Barry Weiss. It is there is no lower form of political argumentation than saying. And I made this point on the Pierce Morgan show where I was like, hey, Pierce, like, you know, I've been coming on your your show now for the last two years pretty regularly. I'm on the show just about once a week or something like that.

Um, maybe once every other week, but I've come on, I've been on Pierce Morgan show many times at this point. And I go, Hey, there was an incident where, I don't know if you even remember this, Rob, but there was a guy in Florida, a Jewish guy who shot two people because he thought they were Palestinian. Uh, now ironically,

They were Israeli. But regardless, he shot them because he thought they were Palestinian. And this was in his own words. And I go, you might notice I never brought that up and then laid that at the feet of the pro-Israel opponent of mine because it's just pathetic. And I said, I'm a free market libertarian capitalist.

I don't like democratic socialism. But when that Bernie Sanders fan went and shot up the congressional baseball game, I never brought that up in a debate with a socialist like, aha, you see, your views lead to a world where some guy did this and that because it's fucking pathetic. And I'd feel like a gross human being if I ever used that line of argumentation. And it's no different than what they're doing right now.

And like the idea that people who are supporting the Palestinians are a terrorist organization for the crime of like chanting a phrase you don't like or something like that. This is utter madness, just insanity. And again, you know, I don't know enough about

like the culture on college campuses today, I'm sure there's lots about it that I would not like. And I'm sure that if I were to just grab the average college student and let's say we just grab the average college student who's at one of these protests and we brought him on the podcast, we talked to him for three hours. I'm sure that me and you, Rob, would have a very different worldview than that, you know, college campus protester.

But I also just don't trust any of these kind of like blanket condemnations. I don't trust the media's characterization of these. I do just know, look, I know that

There's been a ton of Jewish students who are down there protesting with them. And as I've mentioned before on the show, I know that they had a Passover Seder at the Columbia, which are supposed to be like the worst ones. They had a Passover Seder with the Jewish students and Muslim students all doing it, all, you know, doing their little Seder together. I don't know. It doesn't seem like the motivating factor there was a hatred of Jewish people, but it is like...

It's just incredibly dishonest to frame the issue this way. And it's a very dangerous precedent for the government to now be saying that. I mean, like, if you really think about this is like if you protest because this isn't just an Israeli destruction of Gaza, this is an American foreign policy.

These are our bombs that are being dropped on children. And you're going to say now that if the American people want to protest their government's foreign policy by protesting it, they are labeled terrorists?

Like, this is the guy I'm supposed to be impressed with on CNN. And you get what I'm saying about how you just, and anybody who's a George W. Bush Republican, you just immediately hate them. That should be your starting point. Hate them. Because what are they? They're this. They're the people who, when it actually matters, are going to say, yeah, protesting your government makes you a terrorist. It is wild to me, Rob, wild to me, that right-wingers did not learn this lesson after January 6th.

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Anyway, any thoughts, Rob? Jump on in. Yeah, I just I find floating around the title of domestic terrorism to be quite scary. I think there's a lot of opportunity to talk about prosecuting crimes and, you know, getting criminals when they engage in crime.

Domestic terrorism, government pitches us on the fact that they can govern. And then all of a sudden things get sloppy and they turn around and they go, well, we can't actually govern unless we take away people's rights. And so the way that we're going to actually do police work is instead of catching people when they're committing crimes, we're going to create this terrorism title and we're going to remove rights because then that's the only way that we can actually... This threat is so great, we can't actually do it through our criminal process. We have to escalate it to a title of terrorism where...

which, but the idea is that you're like admitting that you can't actually govern properly.

Right. And so and the domestic terrorism, we played the clip on the show when they tried to that the guy who had worked at the FBI was trying to say that the January 6 people were domestic terrorists. And all of that just leads to, well, who falls into the category of potential domestic terrorists? And what kind of rights are you then removing to police their behavior? Are they actually committing crimes? And if you want to take it and stretch it that far to people who are, you know,

pro-Palestinian, they try and blur the line that that means that they're actually pro-Hamas and that even just being pro-Palestinian now makes you a terrorist. So are we now censoring your speech on the internet? And listen, there was that case with the kid in Colombia, um,

who, uh, who had his green card revoked. I don't even remember what ended up happening, but he had a green card and he was married to a U S citizen, had a child in America. Now it could be that that guy took part in violent organizations, uh, at Columbia. It could be. And they were saying that he was pro Hamas. It could be, could be, but it could also be when you start hearing this rhetoric that the guy was just pro Palestinian. Those are two different things. And I

I don't know. I just, I don't like, I hate the concept of domestic terrorism title because I could easily see that being applied to myself. And so I just don't like the idea of government stripping me of my rights and censoring more than I already have been. And this is just so flagrant right here. And you see the danger of it because if being pro-Palestinian makes you pro-Hamas and makes you a terrorist, then

So firstly, I'm going to assume that all of your speech is going to be censored. So that's just the end of free speech on this issue. But where does it go from there? If you're, if you're at a pro Palestinian rally, you've just now outed yourself as a terrorist or rounding these people up. Like what's the actual application to him of this, of this new title of like in theory, if I gave you control of the government right now, and you said that these people are terrorists, are we sending them to Gitmo? What exactly are you prescribing? Yeah. You know,

You know, look, I completely agree with everything you're saying. And I would just add that, you know, look, as Noam Chomsky said, I really think he got this right, was he was like, the only coherent definition of terrorism is that it's terrorism when they do it. And it's counterterrorism when we do it. You know, like, you want to sit here and say that, like, I don't know, uh,

invading Iraq wasn't terrorism, or you want to say that us dropping drone bombs on weddings in Yemen is not terrorism, like, okay, but really all you're left with is like, well, because it was done by us and by a government, and what? Therefore, it's not terrorism? You want to say that the IDF isn't a terrorist organization? Again, there's no, just like, give me the objective definition of

And you explain to me what it is. What is it? Targeting civilians? What do you think? By the way, there's one of the things...

I was arguing with this lady about the other day, which is so crazy, is that she's... I think I mentioned this on the show yesterday, but that she's arguing that, oh, it wasn't fucked up for Israel to not let any food in because Hamas had the food and they were just hoarding it. And you're like, right, so then who are you keeping the food from? Not Hamas. You're targeting the civilian population. By the way, there's been... I mean, if you want to go through... Like, go to antiwar.com and just search through the last two years. There's been...

example after example after example where civilians were targeted i mean civilians rushing to get aid getting shot at uh uh children being snipered you know like all types of examples of civilians being targeted and so you know what this comes down to in a weird way is that it's like

In order to have the worldview that every single Israel supporter has, in order to have it, as I've been making this case for almost two years now, and I think I've done a pretty good job of demonstrating it, you have to on some level believe that the Palestinian life is just worth less, if it's worth anything at all. It's just not worth as much as Israel. And you can see this.

In the rhetoric where look even these these two people, you know in DC Let's say who got killed and right after it. It's like the way people flip out like and and rightfully so I mean like two fucking people got killed. It's goddamn horrible Like those were real people, you know what I mean? Like they were as real as any of us were they had people who loved them They have people who are still grieving who will never be made whole because these two people were taken out of their lives It's horrible

But from the perspective of, like, all of us, we're like, yeah, that's why we're against this policy. Because, like, so many people are being killed. But they don't see it that way. Like, they don't... They just don't... But the problem is that, like, even if you don't see it that way, if you just think Israeli life is more valuable than Palestinian life, American life is more valuable than Palestinian life, okay. But you have to at least recognize that not everyone's going to look at it that way. Particularly Palestinians. But...

A lot of people around the world just are not going to look at it that way. It's not the most... Listen, I understand where, say, Jewish people have more feeling toward Israel than they do toward other countries. I understand why Americans care more about Americans than they do about foreigners. I understand why, you know, Christian Europeans might have...

have more of a connection to other Christian Europeans or to Americans or Canadians or whatever. There's like a little bit of a shared culture and history there. But then at the same token, if you're going to say that, then what do you think like,

Wouldn't you see where like a random Muslim might have more of a connection to Palestinians than he has to Israelis? Anyway, I say all of this to just make the point that it's the old Ron Paul point. If you think that we can just do this to people and pay no price for it, like that you can just engage in a goddamn genocide and fund and arm the whole thing and that that's not going to inspire hatred and that no,

And that nobody out there is going to go, well, I'm going to grab a gun and go do something about this. I think that's a very naive way to look at the world. And like, so in effect, this isn't removing responsibility from anyone, but this is one of the costs of this policy is this type of like chaos. And it's not good. It's not good for anybody. Okay.

All right, let's switch gears a little bit here because I did want to play this video. It's a little bit maybe outside of our typical wheelhouse, but actually it kind of relates to a lot of stuff that we talk about a lot. But there was this clip of Tommy Lauren on the Laura Ingraham show that's been going super viral for obvious reasons once you see the clip. And there's a lot here about...

I found this very interesting. Basically, Tommy Lauren is trashing men, particularly young men. We're about to play the clip. Now, there's something about...

this kind of like the battle of the sexes type content that just gets a big reaction out of everyone. You know, there's something like women venting about men is something that women tend to like enjoy, you know, like, oh my God, men are trash, right? Oh my God, yes, men are trash. Everyone who's had a bad experience with a man now can like get on board with this. And there is something that, yeah,

men, particularly when there's like an attractive woman bashing men, men love to like hate that content. Like it's, it's like catnip for the sexes. And I will preface by saying that I think, um,

I've always, it's one of my biggest objections to feminism, broadly speaking. I always think the battle of the sexes shit is wrong and bad for all of us. Like, it is just not the role, men and women are not natural enemies to each other.

We are so clearly like yin and yang. We're here for each other. We help each other. We make each other's lives better. And anytime that people are getting into this, like, no, it's all men's fault. No, it's all women's fault. I always think like you're just missing the point entirely. But anyway, let's play the clip and then we can discuss a little bit.

It's a major problem. And, you know, Speaker Johnson has been talking about those maybe deadbeat folks that are on Medicaid, and maybe some of those folks are the stay-at-home sons. We don't know. But I'll tell you this: Leave it to Gen Z to rebrand laziness and social awkwardness as something cutesy, like a stay-at-home son. They did much the same thing with quiet quitting, where you can go to work and do less. And if you call it quiet quitting, it's somehow better.

I got to tell you, this is also a big problem when it comes to, I think, declining birth rates, people not getting married and having children. You know, that's a big problem. They blame it on women. Well, look at what young women have to choose from. The pickings are slim. Yes, we might have a feminism problem in America, but it's the feminization of men. There are a lot

of young women out there that want to get married. They want to have kids. They want to have stable families. But there are a lot of young men out there who want to live in mama's basement and order DoorDash. And therein lies a big part of the problem. It's a major problem. So, look, there's a lot here.

And there's also, of course, a lot of policy that has to do with with this outcome. I will say it is hard to not like the kind of lack of self-awareness from someone like Tommy Lauren, who like, let's just, you know, like I said to you before, like I've never thought she was like particularly good looking or whatever. But like she's an attractive woman. She's where she is because of her looks. Right.

Like I don't think that's like an out of line thing to say. Tommy Lauren, it was never like, whoa, the depth of knowledge that Tommy Lauren brings to a discussion is just why in her twenties, she was like a successful millionaire. It's like you, you were like,

you, you played that game. You got lots of doors open to you because you were a young, attractive woman. Now she's a woman in her thirties who does not have kids and is talking about the problem with plummeting birth rates and then blaming others for it. And I will say that I think part of the reason, and we get into some of the more substantive like policy stuff, but

But part of the reason why stuff like this is infuriating to men in general is, number one, what she's saying is actually not true. And there's a bunch of social science on this. It's men actually are more likely, young men are more likely to want to get married and settle down than young women for whatever reason these days. I was surprised by that myself. But this is a thing that I think almost everyone knows.

I think every guy knows this, and I think most women who are, you know, honest or have a little bit of wisdom and a little bit of experience in life know this too. It simply is not the case that there are slim pickings or there are no good men who want to settle down. The issue is that Tommy Lauren doesn't want any of those men.

They're the every, every woman has guys who are like in the friend zone who would be really good to you. But what happens to a lot of women is that they just have higher expectations than that. And they're like, no, I don't want that guy. I want the guy who is X, Y, and Z. Like you want this guy who's like a top 1% or guy and like, okay, that's fine to want that. But then the question might be,

Well, look, I mean, like, what are you bringing to the table? Because the thing about the guy who you want, who's like at the very top is that that guy has options, right?

That guy's got lots of options. And so like, maybe you're not bringing anything to the table that makes that guy want to marry you. But the truth is that I just do not believe that Tommy Lauren over her, over say the last 10, 15 years has not had lots of decent guys who would have loved to be committed to her. And so I'm just saying like, if you want to talk about plummeting birth rates, if you want to talk about, you know, like the feminization of men or whatever, it's like,

Is there ever a conversation that should happen about the unrealistic standards of women? Because like, I got to say, I think that's a part of this dynamic. I'm not saying that that's all of it, but it's like, no, the truth is that if you're not kind of like shallow and materialistic, it's unbelievable, by the way, you know, they have, um,

You know, there's the whatever podcast and the fresh and fit podcast. They both like blown up because they do a lot of this, like, you know, content like this type of stuff. But I will say now they're not. Neither of those shows are my thing. But there is something interesting that they've become so big. And there is one thing that I've said, because I've seen like some of the clips, you know,

It is when they'll interview these young women and they ask them what they want in a guy and they just start describing all of the characteristics and then they'll tell them what percentage of society fits those. You know, like, so just be like, well, I want a guy who's like six foot tall and, you know, I'd like him to be a good looking guy. I'd like him to be a funny guy. It's important that he makes at least six figures. It's important that he and like the list, all these things. And you're like, yeah, that's point oh three percent.

Of men fall into that. So you are now. So yes, it's true that if you're only interested in the top 0.03% of men, it's slim pickings.

Yes, but like, okay, that's true for everybody. That's true for men too. If men were like, I'll only date a supermodel. Yeah, that's kind of hard to find. But if you have more realistic standards, it's just not, I don't believe it's the case that like, it's impossible to find a decent person. I just don't buy that.

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All right, let's get back into the show. Anyway, any thoughts on any of this, Rob? Because we could get into some of the more actual substantive stuff about why it might be that young men are living in their mother's basement. Well, in defense at stay-at-home-and-live-in-the-basement men...

You live on your own. I do now. I didn't always. But I will say that I think for most of those people, they're currently being a loser. And I don't think they like that. I don't think that's what they're looking for. I think some of them might have even settled into the lifestyle. You might have the rare, autistic one that really loves his video games and wasn't going to get a job. But I'm going to guess, by and large, most of those men, if you...

If there was a clear path towards a job and pursuing a family and all those things, I bet that they would like that. And I bet some of those people are even currently looking for jobs. And I think as a young man, it takes some time to get it together. I was a loser for a long time. And sometimes there just aren't job opportunities right out the gate. And you kind of settle into that there aren't job opportunities right out the gate.

I don't think most of the young men you're describing left college and went, this is my dream to go move back home. And then were at home and started ordering. I bet if you spoke to most of those men, they enjoy the time when they're drinking or the couple times that they're out with their friends playing video games. But I'm guessing by and large, they haven't gone, hey, this is the life. And I hope that this is what I'm doing forever. Yeah. I mean, look, it's not.

It's not that there's nothing to her point. There has been a feminization of men. I don't think that's good for men or women. I blame the fluoride. It's clearly a part of it. I don't drink no fluoride. And look at me. I'm pure plastic, baby. Yeah, there you go. Plastic particles. And look at us, just poster boys of pure masculinity. But like, so I'm not saying there's nothing to that, but I do agree with you, I think, by...

by and large, like I don't think too many people want to be adults who are living in their mom's basement. I think that it is more born out of financial necessity. And it's not a coincidence that when we lived in a society where a guy could just go wait online and get a job at a factory and that job could support a family, that that's what they went and did.

And there aren't opportunities like that as readily available. And so now that's not what people are doing. I think that obviously there has been there's been government policies that have drastically driven up the price of education, the price of education.

real estate, the price of health insurance, the price of, you know, like all of the things that you'd need to be able to afford in order to support a family. And, you know, I also think that through laws,

We've made marriage a much less desirable situation for a man to be in than it otherwise would be. And for, you know, for many, many generations, for probably hundreds, if not thousands of years,

essentially for better or worse, I'm not saying this is perfect. Um, but the way that society kind of channeled, uh, men into marriage was through a series of incentives. And a lot of them were, were sexual, but not all of them, but in general for a very long period of time, um, out of wedlock sex was very demonized and stigmatized. Um,

And this was the idea was for men. If you want to get laid, you got to commit to a woman. And I will say when you're talking about young men, you're talking about men in their twenties channeling there. If you want to get laid, you have to do these steps. You can get men to run through walls. You know what I mean? You can get a lot from young men. If you channel, this is how you go about getting sex. On top of that, the reward for men after getting married would be that you get to be the man that

You're the man of the house. Father knows best. You will be the leader. These are the type of incentives that men respond to. Almost every guy wants to be the man to some degree in his own little realm. And we kind of one by one stripped all of these incentives away.

Like now men are in a situation where like, particularly by the way, the men who Tommy Lauren is going to be interested in, because you can already tell like by the nature of her complaint that it's like, you're picky about who you want to be with, which is fine. I'm not saying you can't be, I'm just saying there's reality. And now it's,

you know, for those women who are going after the 0.03% of men, when you're going after them, it's like those guys have tons of options and they don't have to get married to get laid. They could just get laid all the time. Now, right away, look, you're just fucking with the incentives of young men because now right away, the sexual incentive is no longer to get married and settle down. The sexual incentive is like, don't get married and settle down. Now you can play the field and,

have sex with lots of girls. And like, that's what men are biologically wired to do. And so it's just like a bad, but then on top of that, I mean the financial, you know, there was one, uh, uh, clip I saw where, uh, Andrew Schultz had a, uh, like a divorce lawyer on. And the way he said it, I thought was actually very reasonable. So he was like, he goes, look,

in, if you look at marriage as a contract, right? Like most marriages that I, I know he said something along those lines. I might not get it exactly right, but he basically said that like, okay, so like there'll be, let's say you have like a marriage. And so the deal is essentially that it's like the guy's like, okay, I'm going to go, I'm going to go work and make money to like support our family, having a nice lifestyle. And like, you're going to like

you know, bear children, deliver children, you know, you're going to be a mother, you're going to, you know, whatever, we're going to have sex, we're going to, you're going to cook or clean or whatever. I'm not saying like it has to be like the strictest traditional marriage, but like more or less, this is kind of the deal. But the contract of marriage is only enforceable on one end.

Like the man is responsible to fulfill his obligation, even if the contract is void, even if the marriage is off and the woman is not at all.

There's no she does not if you get divorced you have to continue to financially support her But she doesn't have to continue to be nice to you or have sex with you or even be the type of mother that you want her to be or any of that so you like created this situation where It's a big risk for men You know particularly if the type of men that someone like Tommy Lauren's gonna be into is probably like a dude who's got some money and

And then there's like, it's a huge financial risk now. So I just don't like, if you want to just sit here and demonize men, like all men are shit. It's like, you know, human beings are fucked up creatures. And so we're all, we're all a mess, you know? Um, and because of that, it's easy to demonize men or demonize women. You know, it's like, you could always find the, the character flaws in people and then be like, yeah, look at them. They're terrible. Um,

But, you know, all those things considered and the fact that we're all messed... There's just lots of... There's lots of good people out there. There's lots of good people who would treat someone right, who'd be a nice person to, like, start a life with. And this type of energy is just fucking toxic. And, again, it's like... It's... Like, we say this a lot, but it's almost like with anything else. If you're going, you know...

If you're a comedian and you go on stage all the time and you're never getting laughs and you're like, man, all the crowds are terrible. It's like that's convenient, you know, and to see Laura Ingram and Tommy Lauren like these two unmarried childless women sitting here and bitching about men. It's like that's also pretty goddamn convenient. Pretty goddamn convenient that the problem is everything except you.

You know, just a thought. All right. We're going to wrap up there. Thank you guys very much for tuning in. Catch you tomorrow. Peace.

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