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Jonathan Birch on the Edge of Sentience

2024/10/21
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Jonathan Birch: 感知能力的概念应超越简单的快乐与痛苦,涵盖所有具有积极或消极价值的体验,例如快乐、兴奋、压力、无聊、舒适和不适等。他认为 sentience 指的是人类意识最基本、最原始的层面,即感受快乐和痛苦的能力,而 consciousness 则包含更高级的认知功能。他认为 sentience 应该成为制定动物福利法律的标准,保护那些能够感受痛苦的生物。他认为 Jeremy Bentham 的观点“问题不在于它们能否推理或说话,而在于它们能否遭受痛苦”是正确的,sentience 具有重要的伦理和政策意义。他认为动物界的 sentience 程度存在巨大差异,但这并不意味着智力较低的动物 sentience 就较低。他提出,与其纠结于“系统是否具有 sentience”,不如先判断其是否是“sentience candidate”,即是否存在 sentience 的可能性。他认为所有成年脊椎动物以及许多无脊椎动物(包括章鱼、螃蟹、龙虾甚至昆虫)都是 sentience candidates。他强调研究动物 sentience 需要与科学家紧密合作,收集和综合现有证据。他以蜜蜂为例,指出蜜蜂是能够学习的生物,它们展现出复杂的认知能力和情感生活,这推翻了蜜蜂只是纯粹的反射机器的旧观点。他认为,虽然缺乏确定性,但现有证据已经足够充分,忽视这些证据是不负责任的,我们应该谨慎行事,优先考虑动物福利。在处理动物福利问题时,应该秉持谨慎原则,采取与风险相称的措施。他以将龙虾直接放入沸水中煮为例,指出这并非人道的方法,应该采取低成本的改进措施,例如在煮之前先将其击晕。他认为人们普遍关心动物福利,但缺乏关于动物养殖现状的准确信息,导致社会在动物福利方面存在严重不足。他认为 sentience 是考虑如何对待动物时最重要的因素,但并非唯一因素。他介绍了 2021 年的报告促使英国政府修改了《动物福利感知法案》,纳入了对章鱼、螃蟹和龙虾等无脊椎动物的保护。他指出水产养殖、昆虫养殖等行业对动物福利的关注度不足,需要改进。 Nigel Warburton: 主要负责引导访谈,提出问题,并对 Jonathan Birch 的观点进行回应和补充。

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What is the definition of sentience according to Jonathan Birch?

Sentience is the capacity to have any positively or negatively valenced feeling, including pain, pleasure, joy, excitement, stress, boredom, comfort, and discomfort. It captures any experience that feels good or bad.

Why does Jonathan Birch prefer the term 'sentience' over 'consciousness'?

Birch finds 'sentience' clearer because it focuses on the most basic, elemental, and evolutionarily ancient layer of human consciousness—raw sensations and feelings—rather than higher cognitive functions like reflection or inner monologue.

What is the ethical significance of sentience in animal welfare laws?

Sentience is a crucial threshold in animal welfare laws because it determines which animals should be protected. The ability to suffer, as Jeremy Bentham noted, is the key factor, not reasoning or communication.

Does Jonathan Birch believe sentience varies by degree among animals?

Birch does not believe sentience varies by degree. Instead, he argues that there is tremendous variation in sensory abilities, intelligence, and cognitive sophistication among sentient beings, but these do not make one animal more or less sentient than another.

What is the 'edge of sentience' and how does Birch describe it?

The 'edge of sentience' refers to the boundary between sentient and non-sentient beings. Birch describes it in three ways: the real-world boundary (which may be sharp or fuzzy), the edge of our knowledge (where doubt creeps in), and practical edges (where decisions must be made, such as in laws).

What evidence suggests that bees might be sentient?

Bees display impressive learning abilities, such as pulling strings or rolling balls for rewards, and exhibit play-like behavior even without rewards. They also show self-protective behaviors, like grooming injured antennae, which suggests a realistic possibility of pain and emotional experiences.

What practical steps does Birch recommend for treating animals humanely?

Birch advocates for a precautionary principle, erring on the side of caution when there is evidence of sentience. He suggests low-cost changes, such as stunning lobsters before boiling them, and emphasizes the need for proportionate actions based on the identified risks.

How has Jonathan Birch's work influenced animal welfare laws in the UK?

Birch's 2021 report led to the UK government amending the Animal Welfare Sentience Act to include octopuses, crabs, lobsters, and crayfish, recognizing them as sentient beings. This creates a duty for policymakers to consider their welfare impacts.

What are some examples of animal welfare issues in aquaculture and insect farming?

In aquaculture, practices like cutting eye stalks off breeding shrimp to increase egg production show disregard for sentience. In insect farming, welfare is often neglected despite the growing investment in these industries as sustainable protein sources.

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This chapter defines sentience as the capacity to have positive or negative feelings, differentiating it from consciousness. It highlights the ethical importance of recognizing sentience in animals, particularly in the context of animal welfare laws and the question of which animals deserve protection.
  • Sentience is defined as the capacity to have positively or negatively valenced feelings.
  • The question of animal sentience is ethically significant because it should influence how we treat animals.
  • Jeremy Bentham's quote: "The question is not can they reason or can they talk, but can they suffer?"

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Recent zoological research has shown us that a wide range of animals are likely to have sentience. We don't know for sure. There is sufficient evidence to think that it is likely that, for example, lobsters can feel pain. What should we do in the light of this? Jonathan Birch of the LSE,  author of The Edge of Sentience, discusses this important question with Nigel Warburton.