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Welcome back to the pod guys. We have got yet another banger for you up today. I've want to start with really um something that I wanted to make the lead story of the industry news letter this week but uh erik, my director of ops at the wires, insisted that i've been doing like too much of the same thing lately there um IT really is just like perfectly my drag story is mark cuban verse a cartoon rabbit on the question of diversity, equity and inclusion um is completely the apple of my eye and so on to i'm going take some time in the podcast the day where where we have to talk about IT is just it's too fuck and good um so the background here uh is mark cub verse elon mosque on the topic of D E I so mark bin of shark tank fame somehow is a billions are incredibly stupid person first, ella mosque lending rockets.

On the question of whether or not racist, sexist ring practices are OK or not, mark cuban believes that they are morally correct and elan believes they are a moral abba inc. Now in this conversation this is like you know about a month old. We've been covering the sort of overall american vibe shift, and di is very much central to that, where we're now talking about this in a huge public way.

Um you're able to criticize IT in a way you've never been able to criticize IT before. We have lawsuits brewing. Um tech is really now increasingly a battleground for this and we actually have an interview coming up, uh just a teese IT uh in just a few days with Christopher roof o to kind of talk about all of this and more.

But in this conversation, cuban has been doing the thing that I think a lot of D E I people are doing. So as as dei has become less popular. Uh the sort of racist and sex is hiring practices and native D I D I being the kind of proxy of uh, a critical race theory or what not.

As this becomes super unpopular nationally and people have kind of gone to after businesses for doing IT, there's this wide retreat is a sort classic mot belly to um you know wouldn't you like to live in a in in in a company or working a company where people have lots of different perspectives on things and what not and there they're always dancing now around the question of actual race based hiring and know we know this exists. We just wrote about this not too long. Go in the case of IBM, one recent example where your racist quotes were tied directly to your bonus structure and things like this like we know these practices exist.

We know that's actually what we're talking about, but possibly because there's liability. Now people like mark bin are kind of trying to back away from that. Well, separate from the elon moscow at all. He gets into a paddle with fame cartoon rabbit. Um I believe the handle is that the rapid hall eighty ninety something rather you can go to my twitter and check out out have been retweet some of his stuff the cartoon rabbit uh and he kind of gods mark into this total battle over the issue of D I of a kind we've seen you know again and again nothing too exciting there but as he the rabbit continues to answer and again it's looking looking crazy that mark is engaging with the rabbit but he's engaging with the rabbit they are having this battle of minds and um as the rabbit answers Marks many stupid questions about D E I uh he continues to ask this question like, hey, you hired based on rates are you are you hiring people because of the color of their skin or or or or their sex and Marks avoidance the question, avoiding the question um finally the rabbit frames IT more points tly he's like argue doing this thing that is a violation of title seven and um and mark says I have never uh i've never hired someone based on their race with their sex but IT has an unpardoned asy now um but IT has been a factor which is legal okay um at this point uh a commissioner for the e oc or the I believe it's the uh .

what is that an action equal employment .

opportunity commission so the official for this organization federal organization hops into Marks missions and she's just like um that illegal like embrace can race in sex cannot be um any kind of a factor at all, not a mild factor uh not one of the factors that can be the primary factor that can be you a tertiary factor uh IT cannot be a factor. You not you not factor IT uh at all you can never consider IT um and uh obviously it's IT goes tremendous ly viral um you know the federal government just jumped into uh into the merchants of mark cuban who by engaging a cartoon rabbit on twitter just inadvertently implicated himself in crime publicly phenomenal story. I think it's like it's also an important so it's it's yet again, um it's another example of this tremendous shift in the way that were we're litigating we're socially litigating this question.

Um not only A D I proponents not even wanted to defend the race of hiring practices that just two years ago they were demanding, now there's serious risk of litigation amErica first legal, which is this kind of activist uh, legal ARM of Stephen Miller, the former trump guy, is sort of offering a bony I mean that they want to find people who have work with mark um and help them sue him uh, for a violation of title seven and that is I think, the future. I mean, I could be wrong here. You guys think so what do you make of this one?

So on that you actually had a really good tweet on this that kind of sums up how I feel um where I think you were, quote tweet mark where he was talking about hypothetical situation where you have a company with thirty black women um and you decide you want a diversity of perspective so you you know decide to hire a White man is that no IT? Should that be illegal?

right? He asks that he could. He asked that question to the rabbit and he was asking IT like, like, obviously, IT should be OK a higher of the White man in this case, because you want that diverse opinion.

right? And you you are pointing out how like the enormity, how incredibly patri zing IT is and of course, incorrect of marketing to assume that like somehow thirty black women are all gone to be this perspectival monos, right? They're all going to have the same views on things.

And you can understand that like White man is going to have x opinion and black woman is going to have my opinion and like you want to have roughly equal representation of those two opinions. Um I just think the only way out of this is litigation. I agree.

Like someone needs to basically take, uh you know a company that's proven to be engaging in racist hiring practices to core and basically get enshrined yet again that there are penalties for this this kind of thing. Um but on a basic sort of what is to say about the people who are pushing these hiring practices, I think it's just patronizing and as we always say, it's really racist. Like why are they assuming that because of your raise or sexuality you have you know a certain set of opinions, it's just definitely racist yeah I I .

want to actually underscore that point that you just raised on the thirty black women thing because that is it's crazy that he said this casually out loud he said, I mean, map the tweet um he is saying that if you have a room of thirty black women, you really only have one opinion there and there is a is a there a benefit to your company in bringing in another quote, diverse opinion? He's trying to sort of turn this, uh, the anti d ei people because his assumption is that the anti d ei people are actually White supreme ist. And they will see this, they will think, oh, wow, there's there's a dangerous possibility there of thirty black women like we Better bring in A A White opinion.

But of course, the anti ei people are like, that's crazy, that you think all black women think exactly the same and that you set IT out loud and that you're the one who is over here pretending that your anti racist it's king bananas um and I think you just that stuff is is definitely over culturally and now there's is really, really fascinating fight to save face like mark is someone, mark cuban is someone who has, you know put a lot into this conversation publicly and to just kind of give up and be like, okay, you know, the federal government is now telling me I am potentially at risk of litigation here. I Better just back up and apologize for my racism and trying to do Better like he's really trying to just kind of really right history here and get to a point where I don't know he has just taken yet another massive l and what was really just like, I mean, this was twenty four hours and straight. He wouldn't let IT go, but he'd been at this point I think months of this um break the river any any final thoughts on marcum versa cartoon rab.

before we Carry on yeah i'm curious how the future is gna play out a legally for this for a lot of the companies in in tech that had sort of racial based and gender based um recruiting practices. Um Andrew a.

Lucas who is the commissioner who showed up in mark Kevin mentioned and body him has also tweed basically that the E U C S official stance is that and quoting title seven as violated if race was all or part of the motivation for unemployment decision. So that would implicate to me increasing the pool of cote diverse applicants um explicit to do just that right to hire more of them. He also read an article in reuters on the heels of the um supreme court affirmative action decision in june, basically saying, look, now that this has happened, companies you Better start like cleaning up the the D I stuff.

I I would encourage listeners to actually go read this article. And SHE specifically takes shots at this notion of equality of opportunity to versus equality of outcomes, which is interesting to see. SHE says that the E.

O C is charged with enforcing equal opportunities, not quote, quote equity. Our mission is to prevent and eliminate discrimination, not impose quote, quote, equable outcomes. So this is a trump appointed eoc commissioner and there are five total. Um so there's a little bit of like I don't know maybe partisanship coming out here. But I mean, this is one of the lead people at the eoc saying you know signalling like there may be trouble ahead for some of these companies that were were super into you um or making a big deal in promoting their diverse could about hiring practices.

I mean, all of the reporting that's coming out of tech on this issue is it's it's either. Companies are backing away from the stuff because of the downturn, and they're just kind of using they're using the downturn as an excuse to get rid of something that never was really adding the bottom line. Um or you're seeing people sort of quietly go back and trying to rework their policies to, in some way work within the law.

But the supreme court was pretty clear. I don't know how about going to be able to do that. There's there's no version of we are trying to hire more black people that is going to work for them that it's like not illegal. A river seems like get a point.

Yeah I mean, we thought the whole like standpoint of system logy that mark cuban talking about. Nobody has ever explained to me how in a Normal business how someone's lived experiences as a member of a particular group of any kind would have any bearing on like the ideas that they come up with. If you you know if you're talking about code or basic consumer product or something that I just don't really I mean, maybe you hire a black woman if you are A A makeup company that making once to open like a black make up the target of black women or a shampoo o line targeted at every textured hair or something. But other than that, like I don't I don't really understand, did the point of IT like nobody y's ever really actually explained what these alternative viewpoints are and how they add to any value except like cases like I just decided.

I agree it's always a super tenuousness linker. Um when in fact what what appears to be the case throughout the history of certainly tech uh we always want to hide behind viewpoint diversity and and the right does this as well as the left where we all we're clearly talking about racial quotas and gender based quotas but then we all kind of recoil back to view point diversity whenever were both both sides are trying to defend uh, on this issue.

But actually neutrality on the question of racial diversity is sort of like if IT happens OK that IT doesn't like there. You should not be against racial diversity and IT should if talent exists great um i'm personally neutral on this issue. I think Grace versa is sort of a giant sure.

Um I think you should be having with the moral approach. But on viewpoint diversity, which everybody says they want, i'm actually against IT. I think that what you're a start up you don't like there are a certain viewpoints that don't really matter.

You could have diversity on a wide range of views that have nothing to do with the business. But unlike valuable element and commitment to the business and work effec and things like this, like you kind of you don't want a diversity opinions. You want everybody um completely cultish, sly, obsessed with one set of values because startups are really hard.

This is not a giant company like google that can burn tons of money like you guys have to be in IT together. And certainly in the context of something like praise, I mean, can you imagine hiring people here who just fundamentally were opposed to kind of everything that we write about that is not a recipe for success at all? That doesn't work in in in any company really at scale.

You need a culture to cohere around a certain set of ideas. Um I feel this way about nations too is like racial diversity, yes, ideological diversity. I have a very limited band of of ideas. Gc diversity that i'm willing to accept inside the context of a country.

Um you kind of have to have buying a handful of very core important ideas and this is like I think the a the fundamental moral inversion really of the topic you know we are all on all sides fighting about IT in exactly the wrong way. Um I think I don't know what you guys of that in my office here. I get trouble for this one for saying actually diversity of thought is it's not that great diversity protecting the ability of people to speak their mind and dissent very important. But in in the context of small organization, no, I don't think you want ideological. You don't want a lot of other logical diversity.

yeah. I think people get a little bit confused between what we permit in civil society and what is ideal for like a private company essentially. And I think obviously, you know what you're describing in a situation where you have a media company or a company that somehow otherwise relies on employees being on the same page, uh, about you know a set of values that probably has nothing to do with their identity at the end of the day or maybe IT is informed in some ways by their identity but not in ways that we can like easily track. Um you know it's of course the discretion of the people running the company to hire according to values.

Um we don't really make any uh there's no you know legal um robic on doing that um and to just say that in the private sphere, we should be able to discriminate on the basis of that. I think people then they hear that and they get sort of upset and they think that you're basically saying, okay, no in all fears you have to sort of a line with my values, even you in in public society. But of course, these are two entirely separate .

things I actually inspired. And this is off we're off topic.

I'm about to take this off topic off of our you just got me thinking about um a recent story that broke on the growing gap between men and Young men and women specifically on politics, the ideological gap there uh, what do are two jensie make of I want to river in something specifically like what are you guys? What are you making of this apparent? I mean, the demographic is is pretty shocking.

A is apparent like to asm between um Young men and Young women and an ideology with women voting are just being sort of much more left wing, especially recently of recent massive Spike and men kind of gradually becoming more right way. Is IT also responsible for the dating people? Are people on lighter looking IT to the fertility crisis? Is that when I I feel is a little bit far fetched. But what do you think?

Yeah I mean, what I think uh, it's a by product of all politics becoming cultural and gendered in a way to her like left tween politics have just become a symbol of ization and right wing politics have become like a or massa insists, he argue. Maybe that that's always been true to a certain example.

We also what we used to have, the interesting, I think about that study is that was happening all over the industrialized world, and maybe less in amErica than some places in europe, but used to have like class politics, where, you know, if you were a working class person in union, you voted for the labor party or the democratic party or whatever. And like the cultural politicians were kind of like a separate thing that maybe did IT matter and um was also less code you know like in the democratic party rule, uh you know the south for a hundred years and they were like the most like races. So if like conservatives people, so though actually pretty economically ally left window, but that's kind of gone now. And like there's no really seeing ly like no material politics up for grabs. Nobody is you know providing anything and uh so IT just becomes these culture words and A I think go life is all over the world or alleged in the industries were anyway, is this increasingly unable to appeal to had A A sexual men because IT doesn't really anything .

to offer them in america? I noticed that. Sorry to interpret the zoo mors here, but I I didn't notice that. So do you can go. But I wanted to note that america, so there was that lady, you quote ted salona, who said something like this change show, these charts show that clearly that men are increasingly .

her handle. The name of that user is angry black lady.

Literally, yes.

that's her handle. interesting. The number is after IT, but it's really .

liked very interesting. So but I I noticed that the chart specifically for the U. S. Was the least extreme of all of them. And that is showed that men are still left, of that the average man is still left of center, still more left than they are right, which is an interesting .

and to the united, unique racial relationship to politics. And you know, for instance, like black people are water, black men are increasingly like coming to the public ican party, with the vast majority of them are still democrats. And so like you say, right wing that could public.

I think was the next thing. I think it's just Younger people always vote a little more left so that that would explain IT was IT was a charge about servers.

So it's a little more right, I know, but he was saying that I was like, less true in amErica than some other countries, and my points that those countries are more culturally and like ethically homogeneous. And so what what is going on in korea? In south korea?

That was crazy career with the only one where the Spike was more significant on the right wing side among men and the left inside among women. I have no idea. I don't know what to make a IT. I don't know that career. We've got to bring in an expected on korea to talk about .

that red ma a while back. Apparently they have like but ogan is just like a really big problem. They're like almost kind of like uniquely so for a country bits.

Rapidly developing industry didn't as they had like there is sound like anti ray protests that then garnered like a giant anti anti ray protest is like crazy. There's and they have like a lot of weird success. So i'm going on over there.

right, but aren't also just on the border of a hostile nuclear power that wants to obliterate them and talks about a lot IT seems like your politics are OS onna clock a little more right wing if you're at risk of violation.

I mean, maybe but we also have you know I I don't I don't think that like I don't know how much of an actual fear that is because united states is like posted up on like the thirty parallel and has been for seventy years. You know I mean, they talked to make talk but they said they indentifies ince you know, eyes and how our administration .

so I don't know I find a very hard to believe that that people in korea air worried about north korea that seems very far fetch to me um but who knows sujet uh any any more thoughts on the sumer sex politics divide .

yeah I mean my general take as to why um like contemporary left retta and of voguish appeals mainly to women is because a lot of IT has to do with social policing and sort of this very careful attention to lane and sort of regulating what language other people are using and there's all of this sensitivity around perceived defense that's being caused and not wanting to cause people offence in a way that I think appeals to a lot of women who, I mean, i'm stereotyping here and women so okay, but I think you know a lot of women concerted aren't maybe more in tuned to that like hyper sensitivity to language. Then maybe a lot of men speaking very generally .

that is yeah yeah it's interesting the aesthetic power, that of both parties right now they both more than I noticed this in the first ever notice this was in truth in that um people seemed to be reacting more to his overall vibe than they were to his politics IT was uh combination of the way that he helped himself and the way that he spoke in the cadences of the way that he spoke and the actual language that he used.

Which clock very um um like working class almost A I even though he but not in the in a typical way that you know George bush would jump in and use no country language or whatever he was more authentically what working class people we're saying even though trump is you know super famously rich. That's like his main thing i'm really rich, I sure that said um but people on the left and right were reacting to that either positively or negatively and you see this I think more than ever even binds. Election was kind of rooted in this idea that the vibe would change.

You know we would talk about things differently and um people responded to that uh it's crazy because there are so many enormous problems but that we're facing I mean historic prop the immigration problem is insane. I mean like almost ten million people have crossed illegally under the by administration but still we're kind of worried about the way that people say things and that is an interesting fact of modern or contemporary potin. I'm sure was I know there was always a big part of politics, but I just I think maybe there's something about being stepped inside of an election now because we're all are so online now. And we Carried around on our pockets, on our smart phones. I wonder if maybe that .

has something .

to do with the rhetoric style that will vibe matta ing so much .

more social seems like a united further place for um the sort of feminine feminist style of communication or the the feminine type of of of behavior that sound gic described.

Yeah I mean completely non physical.

It's all about language. Yes, right.

So I think that .

that's a big part of bit.

Yeah, I think there was a book about that called a warriors and warriors. Yes.

I read to review that book. I really want to read the whole thing was a great review.

Yeah I have to like skim through IT. It's pretty interesting. A A theory is kind of that women a seek to they they seek to like a create water and social hierarchy and it's like I saw you was saying, the more sensitively bullying um and uh is is about like enforcing inequality and stuff for as men or more competitive and like more receptive to, I guess, natural hierarchies that .

might rise. What we are doing right now, this exact kind of men in general are like x and women in general are like y. This is not a super regressive thing. This is or maybe this is regressive. It's not a super unusual thing. Um this was a common way of discussing topics up until like very risk the last five years or so and now that feels even almost in you guys, I feel sure of shocked bit a little bit.

Uh, but if you think back matter from was IT matter from mars women or from business, that famous book, I mean, this was a way the whole I feel like the view the existence of that showed you is largely kind of hinges on this concept that that there are differences in spaces in the way that people talk and things like this in general and women, let's come together just as girls and have a discussion. Uh, as really IT was banned for a while and it's it's now increasingly back. Uh and I guess how could you really not discuss IT this way when you see such massive differences in general on things like, for example, politics that's a huge swing between men and women and in the way that they are approaching politics right now? It's like you sort of do have to address this um but .

I want to let my I mean able this this whole like constructivist uh idea of gender and of you know masculinity feminity being these abstract concepts that were created by society and like don't have anything to do with biology and a minutes is just so obviously importantly untrue that you know IT but but it's become uh the standard like lin I guess in society is that like that men if men act to certain weights because they were socialized to not because of you biology or anything.

yeah i'm so turned around on this discussion. I don't actually been no and I mean not in this particular one but I just in general I actually not entirely sure but I think myself anymore on this um and I am not in the dying to offer an opinion here because who the fuck knows uh I do want to turn to uh the fact that it's a very stark difference in conversation um yellow musk neural link to successfully microchip to human being which is in the brain crazy future type thing that I want to talk about specifically the aesthetics of IT um in the reaction the reception to a generally in in culture uh but right on the heels of that um I was almost not going to even talk about that until I got this phenomenal tweet from brian Johnson, which i'm going uh three two guys right now which is very much I think in the same vein A I injected botox into my penis IT increases penis length by one centimeter IT also improves erection hardness peak systole lic ilo sy and diastole lic philos ity sexual health satisfaction therapy was built on a double blind randomized bacio control perspective comparative study conducted involving seventy patients with E D refractory to animo IT goes on and on.

Long story short of this man injected boat, talks into his dick and loves the results and he is this this is the guy we talked about last week because is the longevity diode, who I wrote a huge future on in pie wires, five thousand word deep dive into his thinking, and kind of what he means in tech, the very specific role that he plays in the culture here. The reaction to this is obviously very strong, and the reaction to him is very strong. And I have been thinking a lot about the esthetics of this futurism. He's slightly .

less .

daring than the like, the brain chip. But in both cases, I I like bryan. Um I like is I I don't know personally I like what he represents. I enjoyed our conversation. I think that his work is important um but it's not popular and IT turns people off like the overall look of IT the feel of IT the brain microchip of IT all ah the future are sort of tex atheling or at least the esthetic of the really kind of cutting edge tech is it's it's kind of out of tune with people in a way that feels culturally new. So you think back to the jetsons and the thousand and fifteen era of of americans with futurism.

You think about the world's fair and things like the busy world ah in epcot center right like up through the eighties and and nineties you had uh an astronaut program. And um people really were receptive to the overall future story that that we were telling. And now it's just it's completely out of sink.

I think I think the tech story generally is very much out of sink with the public. I think to have a lot of IT does certainly is already having ramifications broadly when IT comes to tech policy. And I think if it's left kind of uncorrected, uh, we are going to have a problem. I think culture totally h indicates the direction of both innovation and and political policy, uh, which in turn shapes effectively what we are as a society. And I think this story, the way that we talk about the future IT has to be more compelling. Um I wants to hear what you guys all think about this uh but I want to introduce one last piece of the puzzle here first, which is a it's sort of IT is an esthetic difference and also a technology that it's the electrics stove or the ah what is the other version of the stove the one there I was like, no no, no electric stove suck, but we have this induction right induction stove top um which are are supposed to be these are supposed to like the future these are these are Better, people often say, than a gas stove um this to me is perfectly representative of something that tech people do uh because they don't understand what the average person is or wants or needs and um in fact, it's like the very existence of the electronic stove makes me averse generally to the concept of technology first, I mean, guys have any thoughts on the aesthetic piece at all. And then i'm going to go off.

I have a lot to see. Electrics tope you mean the induction of or both?

I I plots on both so OK .

what inductions of suck because you have to buy like special cook wear, which still good but I will say, um yeah I mean, it's just I it's this study I don't know it's the aesthetic so much as is just so easy to make fun. I think that's kind of like a putting boat tops in your like that's kind that's easy to make fun of. Do what they mean like you're kind of it's like your setting yourself up a little bit.

which is kind of what I like about brand Johnson is ah what is thing yeah .

I am doing the full drone river on my dog like google a fucking you know like that kind of cool but on the other hand, I mean is for the putting the microchip in the brain, the neurons saying.

I mean, is to solve to be because I wanted want first.

want to do IT. I don't.

but it's solving a disease. I forget now which which one IT is I read about IT in the newsletter today. When you see really .

quick oh so is like a medical thing. It's not like spotify directly into the brain or whatever.

The device is currently in clinical trials, which are open to some individuals who have uh quarter poesia due to eeo trophic laterals classes or A S so it's like it's not just we're not in this stage yet where you're just micro chipping yourself for fun is to solve you know a major disease. But still it's a it's a brain ship. Yeah I mean, what is the idea .

of like e on being inside of your head? Isn't people I would say sunday, I was gonna say, I think a big thing .

that freaks people out about, both what brian Johnson's doing and stuff like neural like, is just this like immediate repulsion, that trans humanism produces some people in this idea that we could like augment our lives with technology, which obviously we do in you know less invasive ways all the time, like we ride bikes and that kind of thing. But like that we could implant devices into ourselves um or you know the case of brian Johnson, like, you know I guess inject well the botox in the botox injection. I don't really understand the objections too because people seem to be fine with IT like on faces and stuff. But I think in general there's this kind of um sense both of people on the right and the left from the right maybe from like a Christian perspective and from the left, i'm not entirely sure where IT comes from that like we shouldn't be um validate zing the strong over the week necessarily and like we shouldn't be um you know there's something kind of unsettling about this quest for like immortality or pretty natural ability um and I think that that kind of vague sense of unsettlement is what is making the synthetic out of sink with the average person interesting because IT doesn't come up as often with with some of the train stuff on the left, but that's another discussion. So the life thing .

also comes from crashing is all crucial, is just criticize without the humility at the end of the day.

Well, I mean, I want to talk about the I want about the stokes X, I think so there are a couple of guy and people don't want to hear IT, but I think it's important um there are a couple of guys I like a lot on, uh, this sort of been the E X A J in space online. Es, these are like protect kind of utopian ist. Their their entrepreneurs, they are engineers, their building stuff, their working on a new stove.

And I want to like that because there I do like them, but I I want to like what you're doing because IT is big, because I like them and I like that what they represent generally, which is progression and make improving the world and using technology to make our lives Better, and things like this. But the problem that I can't shake is that I have is that I actually cook all the time. I like to cook, so I use these things.

I use an induction stove. I've used an electric stove. And in salford, cisco, when i'm when i'm back west, which is briefly these days, but ever now then IT does happen.

I cook on gas because there is a remaining that well, the trick with sand, Francesco, is none of the new buildings are allowed to use gas lines. But the silver lining there is in san Francisco, it's basically illegal to build new buildings over all on gas anyway and in perpetuity. Um but if somebody who cooks, it's just fire is Better. And so if you're going to try and the whole the whole argument of tech that we're constantly trying to make is like, listen, we're going to make things Better and you have to do at least that if you're going to use energy in some way or going to change our behavior in some way.

Um I am am fine with with these things if you're rather using more energy or your dramatically changing our uh our behavior or if you're going to introduce some some new device as very hard, uh, as is the case with electric vehicles, a very hard to fix on your own and you have to kind of go in and is going to cost more money and things like this. I'm fine with all of those changes provided at the ground floor. IT is actually Better than the thing that that we used to do and and this is not that and i've used all this stuff and it's not there are like, oh, but this new coyote, whatever that's going to make IT water boils really fast, and I don't care how fast water boils.

That's that's not the issue that I have with the stove. I want to be able to lay a frying pan down and fill the heat on my sin. And and kind of have an overall sense of where the heating is.

And it's more even it's just it's just like it's you don't know IT unless you're using IT, but when you're using IT, it's vastly superior when you're on electric or or induction, right? The moment you step up off of that stove, you lose the heat. Um you have to reconnected.

It's things that will cook even. And if you're trying to sell people on a progressive technological future, you have to think about this stuff and little things like a shitty stove are not taken as a shitty stove. They're taken as here come these tech guys trying to make my life harder again, selling their joke bulls shit um yeah who we are cooks and those the only opinions that are willing to tolerate uh.

i've never had a gas ve always on the first stove. I don't get the induction ones. I don't know.

I don't. Are you legitimately understand the appeal? I just like you to buy expense of cook ware. And so that's why I would ever go.

Water boils really fast. It's true. I have an induction a stove top in my amy you like basically half to I knew there's very few gas so there's so much new building here um and IT like that's the one thing that does the water boils really fucked and fast. So congratulations.

干点 boiling water。 I mean, I think people are like rejecting, uh, the cult of convenience particularly interestingly, it's not exclusively in the kitchen, but a lot of the kitchen. I thinking about how, uh, the cultures really don't like carriages.

I remember when those came out was like huge, you know of course you like on head coffee machines before that, but like when cures came out, IT was almost just like a step too far. People like this is actually to uh, artificial the click and whatever. And so that's when people started doing french process. And like I feel like everybody as like some sort of your drip coffee set up now you know not everybody obviously that like um it's it's actually kind of like a lead thing now to be like, oh, I only you know drink coffee that I made myself over the course of forty five.

This is I still prefer a pot. I love just a part of black coffee. I always, whenever i'm home, is a big pot of just whatever mild rose sitting there are because I think for me it's it's about just having a giant cup of something that's hot and I like that.

It's there IT brings me comfort. But also i've been like probably over caffeinated. I've been realizing recently my anxiety is less about the world and the company perhaps that that is about the fact that I just drink too much coffee that morning. I'm expLoring interesting. Right the no thoughts on electrics soph um yeah .

you can you can take the you can take my guest of at my gold dead ends lazy well that's funny .

thing too is that more you live in los Angeles los Angeles, new york and Frances go boston. Um these are places that have lots of gas stoves uh meanwhile a places like florida, texas, tons of electric and induction because that's where the new buildings are. And weirdly, the politics are totally reversed.

So you have these red states where people are like you come for gas stoves, but none of them use gas stove es. And you have these blues, these blue states where we were like, we've got to you actually it's blue politicians and I don't know the average person in a blue state is saying, please take away my gas tope. We all know it's we all know that we're getting a worst product in in in this exchange.

But that is unna the kind of political perverse year. And because the last thought of is, again, the esthetics of IT you are when you're designing some sort of jetson looking alternative to fire, you have to keep in mind that you're replacing fire. So fire is one of the most, if not the most powerful image in human history.

The history of human civilization IT is powerful. Uh arc typical force that you see in every aspect of our culture. And um that is a story that is primal and a ancient and mystical.

And if you're going to come at IT with a little battery power piece of shit, you're gna get stopped brutally. And this is something that I think a lot of tech people don't understand is is the power of stories and this kind of sensitivity to myth and legend and things like this. They don't have IT. They are often so flying blind and these crazy cultural backlashes in conversations um they don't understand lindy.

they do not only well, yeah yeah.

yeah they don't weirdly, I do think the concept of lindy, which we talk about a lot on this part cast and I write about a lot of power references, a popularized by to eb. I just actually actually .

invented IT.

I didn't say him at that. A city popularized IT so not seem to let popularized IT with his book anti fragile. Um this is when tech people and sort of broadly on on twitter, you are seeing a Spike in conversation about the concept and uh that is like it's for the industries.

It's like quite bizarre. It's it's the taking story and yeah that is like a newly the popular thing to talk about at least um I don't see much of an application of the idea is very hard, right? There's not such thing as a Linda rocket ship.

So ah what you to do if of the day with Linda concepts, I think you are you aware of IT? You're aware of the power and ancient things. You're aware of utility in ancient things. But if you want to progress, you can have to have to try to some new shit. Uh, last thoughts, anyone before we move on to there's no need to reinvent .

the wheel and then somebody else.

yeah done, settled, weird in charge. Gst, pes are everywhere. Induction is illegal. Um thank you for coming to my ted talk. Get is going to be arrested by the board of supervisors in a cce. O sag, take me through the latest psychodrama in the city by the day.

yeah. So basically on saturday night, around like one I am, gary ten sends out a tweet quoting a two pox song specifically hit him up, which people know is two box like notorious dish against. He says fuck and any lists um all of the super progressive supervisors and the board sea pervidin as a label and a mother can crew and if you're down with progressive supervisors as a crew, you to slow other focus again this is all verba to pox song that he's just inserted um you know the progressive supervisors named in so he treats this out at like you know twelve thirty in the morning and someone responds to him and is like, gary, you seem kind of drunk and he replies and he's like I am and he sends a picture of his like private liquor stash at this bar in chinatown where it's got like three hundred dollar bottle like or um and so you know whatever it's a drunk tweet basically that he stands out. Do you know that's where I first .

I didn't know about all this draw until yesterday. I somehow missed everything other than the liquor stash photo. Because what I saw that I thought, why would you ever post that publicly? You're going to get poison. People hate you. I would never ever reveal where I have a private stash licker somewhere.

yeah. I mean, IT was clearly just like a drunk tweet that he sent out off the cuff, you know, when I am, he's not doing tragic, very apparently. And so the next morning he delete the tweet, obviously gets a flooded with a left us from serenity gosain.

H, my god, you want the supervisors to die. So the next morning he deletes the tweet and he apologizes. But of course, you know, the internet has a long memory.

And so immediately all the local outlook conferences go. H run pieces like emission local. They have this piece. H gary tang, taxi o and campaign donor wishes death upon conference to go politicians um so this basically starts this like one or two day long twitter firestorm where every single person on the differences go left is basically tweet some version of gary time uh is like a domestic terrorist so you have tim redman who's the editor, forty eight hills, which is like one of the most dsa left leaning publications. And incenses go taking the cultural appropriator angle and saying, garreton shouldn't be like appropriating this marxist and time periodist two pox lyra ics. Ah you have jackie fielder who is running for board of supervisors um saying that SHE basically compares gary hands at tweet to Harry milk assassination and SHE says, you know right wing toxic masculinity is what LED to Harry milk sassin ation this .

is a woman who by the way mitch called herself queer right is like .

it's had another .

yeah jackie fields there I mean SHE calls herself queer and um a few years ago and SHE was running for state senate against scot weener .

someone really he's like, I mean, he's he's a full some game confirmed he is a full some street guy .

always you know posting pictures in his harness and stuff but so jackie is running in scotland ener and someone and she's calling herself self queer and this is a big part of her platform. And on twitter someone says like, you know jackie calls herself queer but she's never like specified um you know why what what type of L G B T Q Q is so jackie then quote.

tweet attention sorry, good jackie .

and quote, tweet this and he says something along lines of, no, I don't have to justify my identification is clear like you know it's i'm defying gender uh norms and norms about sexuality by identifying as queer and you know since when .

do we have to disclose what that means to be L G B T Q? Well disclose fuck improve .

IT so you hey .

i'm clear and you're like, oh really you do date women and you're like, how dare you asked i've follow up question that is offending my what this is like already know she's that's a stray girl answer that's how straight White girls talk all i'm starry she's also not why I mean .

is why but what he is american I mean e's .

a fillide with .

a tribe in north kota .

fillide no.

But she's SHE is google her and and take a look this is take a look at this one who is not White .

she's she's also mexican I mean SHE yeah I i've now I have a new rule where whenever um I see someone introduced themselves as queer woman of color I immediately assume that this is just like a straight .

woman .

who's happily coupled with it's the racial government is active builder active .

in the end .

yeah I mean he does look would like.

you know mexican, I supose or latina but I want to .

know I want to know he .

is she's having sex with maybe our readers can get on that like SHE have husband like I know he had got she's got a boyfriend like I I want to see a boyfriend.

This is an aside for people who are really the conference is go politics and follow the newspapers closely. So they how who is another very vocal, clear woman of color is married to a man, a White man.

tell us about her recent article though. So people have to be able to know, and just enough about her to feel happy laughing at her idiotic q identity while married was a literal man.

It's first of, yeah, her recent article is about how we should, basically, the state should IT like expropriate the gig economy and take over the the economy and make IT into a public utility. Because people who work in gig economy, like, you know, for uber, whatever, say they feel exploited, but disabled people say that they rely on, you know, food delivery and other economy services. And so the compromise clearly is for the stage take IT over and you know nationalized .

he wants a government run post mates. It's like without your nationalizing bit like really I mean, i'm i'm going to you're truly profoundly disabled.

There's already services for that improve much, definitely services go and prety much everywhere else too, where it's like you news on wheels there. Like I like transit. I know like where I live.

There's like some service that like Carries disabled people in, old people around. It's like kind of like a subsidize over. It's only like a dollar or something like like there's like those services actually already exists and I like funded by charity and sometimes you go.

yeah it's interesting to me. We've gone from saying all up to remember when these companies were first being formed. And the criticism from the press was that here comes another tech pro reinventing delivery, right? The whole the whole premise of the critique was you're not doing anything new.

You're doing things that have always existed. You don't deserve any kind of eClaires at all. okay.

But now we're saying that these companies are one vital to the workers on them there. They're new and therefore vital. And so therefore we need all sorts of work or protections. But more importantly too, they're so critical um that we literally need the government to come in and take them over to make sure that they never go away. Also though, solid makes sick, is that how you pronounce so so how you say your .

i've been think so.

but you know so so soi makes sure to note that the profit motive, the dangerous problem promotive will be removed from the companies. So ah enjoy your postmasters. I'll get the delivery of your dinner four hours first from when you water IT if that at all.

Um take out we have another fake queer um. Laying out a plan to fix the economy for us. I really but all .

those tips and fees though, I I got to say I getting pretty crazy on on door action grow hub like now I pay like thirty box just to get just to get a delivered. So maybe so I has has a point.

IT is funny how IT wants these products are baked into your life, if if they can .

check up the Price, yeah.

If they do anything to annoy you, though, you become just like super open to communism.

like, no right.

turn IT down. I don't so matter right now. My driver, nationalized IT.

I really do not give a shit. People don't remember what I was like though. I mean, I ever, I was the same for cisco.

You had to find a cab when you were coming home. I was harg. I would walk home a lot of the time drunk through dangerous neighbor. Ds, um the idea that you don't have to do that anymore, I think there are million different you know, aspects of this that are interesting, just a the way that the world has change, but the world change very rapidly in and we we now take for granted these huge changes um but I do also want to talk about the the fake clearness of at all I mean you I have any any further thoughts on this on the idea of you know public figures demanding accolades further clearness while being married to straight men.

It's basically just women who do IT straight women who do that. I think and it's probably because my assumption is that there's still as kind of cash. I again, if they're the woke space, you get the cash of being queer and thus you know being part of this marginalized identity. Um there's still that kind of like thing thing about identifying as by or when you might actually not be bisexual. Maybe there is an additional component of like you get positive attention for men. I'm not saying that's why they do IT, but IT could be a and then of course, there's no opportunity cost because queer could mean anything and you know IT could be as simple as saying that use they pronounce so you don't actually no one's going to like forced you to um you .

know performance exact don't know I that's welcome to pier virus that's the first thing that i'm doing hance forth to prove IT or you're here show me I can see IT otherwise it's still very IT .

does yeah IT does actually feel like a kind of a red's form of cultural appropriation or like value stealing.

It's like an exportation.

It's explore I think it's not radical anymore. And if I was like you have to like like none of these women would have identified as square what that actually came with a negative consequences. So IT feels kind of fought up a little bit just because, like, you know, I mean, like I came I used to really bother me a lot just because I came for like a religious family that know a lot issues like being gay. And so is like, okay, so you're just a straight woman and you're pretending that we're like the same and it's like we're not we're not the same. We've had deal with stuff that like you have not had to deal with and yeah just felt a fucked up.

And i've got this from straightforward google, again, called themselves square. Not a, not a girl, everyone. There's always, there's a certain kind of girl who loves a gay bar and has all gay friends and SHE straight. And he says, SHE straight and very big is totally yes, that is a part of gay culture IT is we accept this, we love this, we welcome this. Um the new thing is, is effectively straight irl calling themselves queer, demanding space in gay environment, saying these White men will make space for queer, whatever love, love, love, love, they are not lesbians, again, lesbians.

The the relationship between lesbians ans and game's is a complicated and long is complicated along relationship there uh but lesbians have always had a space and um there are less spaces than never are strictly lesbian but um let's not what i'm talking about. We're talking about the straight woman. We your identity wants room in a place that's not for her.

And this is that to me in IT is but it's a kind of cultural. It's on it's it's on a stage. It's it's it's a it's also probably one of the reasons that people are down on gay people in a way that is never we've never seen this before.

We've never seen tick down in acceptance of uh of gay people. It's it's always been uh, a steady rise up. We've only seen IT recently and it's because the gainers has been associated with politics. And and so of course, people are going to have you know we are feeling about IT. I do what I example .

of this is a drag queens, which are that you're just a birthday. You're just like you're not you can be a drag queen if you're a woman like you just can't like if you're trands like, sure, whatever. I guess you know I think it's a little bit of a test of admission of biogen reality. But like if you are A A folio one, 我们 白 瓦 这个 我们 you're just putting on clown makeup， but that is not drag yeah I know .

you see the demand for IT like savers go drag shows now daytime, never at night, when people are paying, but also a brunch or something. They are always force and a fed, which means a sign female at birth. So they are already of force in the af between s or a woman who's dressed like a woman into these shows.

And this is like, nobody y's here for that. People are here for like weird looking at dudes with giant fake breasts, like dancing around to a madona song in a really awkward way that what do you think is happening here? It's crazy offensive. I don't like IT. I want to what gary ten, I want to cap this conversation off because didn't this border supervisor collar cops?

yes. So basically to go back. Gary ten, um so bunch people forget on twitter and then the board of supervisors so two supervisors and I think a third might have might be doing IT soon have filed reports with the police department because they claim that they feel threatened in the word for their safety um so that's APEC very ironically because those similar assurance of scope politics. We know ARM pesca is a literal city hall bully who took a leave of absence a couple years ago um you know he was a drunk.

He drink yeah he was an alcohol ec.

he took a leave of absence to go into alcohol treatment but before he went into treatment he was known for like bullying his staffers until he they cried even his fellow supervisors like this is all over the internet um said that you know he would buried them. He's apologized for his behavior like he is an actual .

bullet .

so he's found support yeah yeah um and he's also said that he's gonna the city attorney to draft the legislation to ban speech like every hands which is scary of course um and then separate from this, a couple other supervisors like deep president and claim they've gotten male from people saying, ah you know gerry ten is right, I wish death on you and then in you know print below this is just a political statement. It's not meant to be constructed a threat. And so now this is adding fuel to the fire but IT seems like the left and seven six o is basically gonna get a lot of .

mallet's out of saying that is a real is like quoting to poc, not OK. We call the cops, literally. We we're calling the cops, but physically going into a drug store and attacking people, stealing whatever you want or dealing math outside in the middle of the and all in the middle of mass epidemic, totally find still legal, still okay.

How many people have died? I went off. I got a little bit angry about this.

Uh, two nights ago um when the story broke of the the police component of IT because you I guess I just I started wondering how many people have actually died because of policy run by the board of supervisors. So we are time of dead. They are afraid.

They're afraid of gary tens to poc reference. They they're afraid for their life. You've killed people.

You've literally killed you. You are directly responsible for the death of of of federal ads throughout the city. You did that. And IT just my tolerance for this is IT doesn't I don't have IT, it's gone. And the I just think these people are really bad, uh, human.

They're not just stupid, right? There's always a question of like stupid, evil and a lot of people in local politics, you know kind of authentically dub, but these people are evil. This is like, this is like there's a darkness st there that needs to be um voiced and face and conquer. We have to remove these people from power and bring in people who are not psychotic. Does anybody have any final thoughts on this .

before we break? This seems really clear from the from the supervisors behaviour in reaction to Carry him that they're really just playing a bad faith, dirty game of politics with this stuff and that's who they are. And it's depressing to see.

Uh, gary, time, you should never apologize for a drunk, just always late.

And yes, I mean.

I think reveal the private stash.

though never reveal the private stash. And also I mean, don't tweet drunk. That's as you're not at the river level anymore. You're at the you're the gary ten level. It's like a at a certain state, there is a trend that thing that happens of a tonus past and you do have to to set aside the drunk tweet um if you're not a professional writer, I think especially it's like we do have to there are some politic creates here we have to keep in mind um gary, not wise, absolutely love you standing besides you .

his but like less of .

the drunk waiting uh okay um I think that's we're prety much there tonight uh or today rather it's been real. Subscribe um please comment I want to hear about the domestic you said while you were drunk and do you regret IT maybe not maybe you had to be set. Don't know.

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