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Meta's Chief AI Scientist Yann LeCun Makes the Case for Open Source | On With Kara Swisher

2024/12/21
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一位在机器学习和计算机视觉领域具有重大影响力的法国-美国计算机科学家,现任Meta首席AI科学家和纽约大学教授。
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Yann LeCun: 我认为对AI研发进行监管将会产生灾难性的后果。我是一个经典的自由主义者,在欧洲政治光谱中处于中间位置。我对Elon Musk攻击高等教育、科学和科学家感到愤怒。我在Meta拥有独立的表达声音的权利,Meta的研究实验室非常开放,我们发布所有研究成果并开源代码。我在Meta从事基础研究,不参与公司政策制定。我在Meta创建AI研究实验室的三个条件是:不搬离纽约、不辞去NYU的工作以及所有研究都公开进行并开源代码。政府应该避免制定使开源AI平台非法的法规,并应为学术界提供计算资源。政府应该更了解AI,并可能需要制定产业政策来提高芯片领域的竞争力。未来的AI平台需要是开放的,并以分布式方式进行训练,以包含来自世界各地的贡献。我反对对计算能力设定限制,因为AI并非本质上危险。开源软件的成功之处在于其平台特性,允许人们修改、改进并使其在各种硬件上运行。封闭的AI模型是为了获得商业优势。除了谷歌之外,几乎所有构建AI系统的公司都使用Meta开发的PyTorch开源软件平台。仅仅扩大LLM的规模和数据量并不能带来显著的性能提升,需要探索新的AI系统架构。LLM的局限性在于其基于预测下一个单词的机制,未来的AI系统将不会仅仅基于预测下一个单词。我们距离人工通用智能(AGI)还有很长的路要走,未来的AI系统需要能够理解物理世界并规划行动序列。Meta开发AI搜索引擎的目的并非直接与谷歌竞争,而是为了服务于需要AI系统的用户。Meta的长期愿景是:每个人都将拥有一个随时随地的AI助手,这将是一个新的计算平台。对AI的投资是基础设施建设。开源模型比专有模型更安全,因为有更多人参与其中,可以发现并修复问题。Meta有责任防止其模型被恶意使用,但开源模型的安全性也值得关注。开源LLM已经存在数年,并没有发生严重的恶意事件。为了使AI成为人类知识的储存库,所有人类知识都应该用于训练模型,即使是非版权材料。我对Hinton和Bengio对AI风险的警告表示强烈反对,认为他们的担忧被夸大了。虽然未来AI系统可能会比人类更聪明,但这需要数年甚至数十年时间,并且我们目前还没有达到人类水平的AI。用喷气式飞机的例子来比喻AI安全问题,认为在设计出安全的AI系统之前,谈论如何使其安全是没有意义的。对AI R&D 不需要进行监管,但对AI产品需要设置防护措施,并建议使用目标驱动型架构来确保AI系统的安全。应该对AI产品而非AI研发进行监管,并强调开放平台的重要性,以防止少数公司控制所有AI系统。未来AI系统将能够像人类和动物一样高效地学习新的技能和任务,这需要利用视觉等感官输入进行训练。我作为科学家,拥有科学的诚信,AI是打击仇恨言论和虚假信息的最佳工具。 Kara Swisher: 对谈话内容进行引导和提问。

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Why is Yann LeCun known as one of the godfathers of AI?

Yann LeCun is known as one of the godfathers of AI because of his foundational work on neural networks, which he has been pushing since the 1980s. This work forms the basis for many of today's most powerful AI systems, and he received the 2018 Turing Award for his contributions to deep neural networks.

Why is Yann LeCun so outspoken on social media?

LeCun is outspoken on social media because he is politically a classic liberal, which places him in the center on the European political spectrum but more on the left in the U.S. He is particularly critical of individuals like Elon Musk and Donald Trump, especially when they attack institutions of higher learning or spread misinformation.

Why did Yann LeCun choose to join Meta rather than stay in academia?

LeCun joined Meta because he was given the opportunity to create a well-funded, large-scale AI research organization with the freedom to publish and share open-source code. This was not possible in academia due to the lack of resources and the closed nature of large tech companies. Meta allowed him to maintain his academic position at NYU while leading groundbreaking research.

Why does Yann LeCun think AI is not ready for human-level intelligence?

LeCun believes that current AI systems are hitting a performance ceiling because they are primarily based on predicting the next word in a text. While these models can pass exams, they struggle to understand the physical world and perform complex tasks like cleaning a house. True human-level intelligence requires new architectures that can understand and interact with the physical world, similar to how babies and young animals learn.

Why is Meta investing so heavily in AI infrastructure?

Meta is investing heavily in AI infrastructure to support the growing number of users who will use AI assistants daily. The company forecasts that its AI systems will be used by 600 million people by the end of the year, and more powerful AI systems require more expensive computational resources.

Why does Yann LeCun support the open-source model for AI development?

LeCun supports the open-source model because it allows for faster innovation and a more distributed, democratic approach to AI development. He believes that having more people working on and fine-tuning AI systems can lead to better and safer outcomes, and it helps prevent the concentration of AI power in the hands of a few companies. The open-source model also enables a diversity of cultural and linguistic adaptations.

Why does Yann LeCun disagree with Hinton and Bengio's warnings about AI existential risks?

LeCun disagrees with Hinton and Bengio's warnings because he believes the dangers have been exaggerated. He thinks AI is still far from achieving human-level intelligence and that the technical challenges are more significant than the potential existential threats. He also argues that current AI systems are not as capable as some suggest, and that regulation of AI R&D would stifle innovation and progress.

Why does Yann LeCun think cultural institutions should make their content available for AI training?

LeCun believes that cultural institutions should make their content available for AI training to ensure that AI systems can understand and speak a diverse range of languages and cultural contexts. This is crucial for preserving and promoting cultural heritage, especially for endangered languages and regional dialects. He envisions a global, distributed AI system that can be fine-tuned for various cultural and value systems.

Why does Yann LeCun think regulation of AI R&D is counterproductive?

LeCun thinks regulation of AI R&D is counterproductive because it would make it too risky for companies to distribute open-source AI platforms. This could lead to a concentration of AI power in the hands of a few private companies, which would be detrimental to the diversity and democratization of AI. He believes that regulating products based on AI, rather than the R&D itself, is a more effective approach.

Why does Yann LeCun believe that AI is the best countermeasure against hate speech and disinformation?

LeCun believes that AI is the best countermeasure against hate speech and disinformation because it can detect and mitigate harmful content more effectively than humans, especially at scale. He points out that AI technology has significantly improved the ability of platforms like Facebook and Instagram to detect hate speech in multiple languages, and that the best protection is having more powerful AI in the hands of the good guys.

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This chapter explores the controversy surrounding the potential dangers of open-source AI models, particularly in the context of Yann LeCun's outspoken views on AI regulation and his public disagreements with Elon Musk and Donald Trump. It discusses LeCun's belief that regulating AI R&D could have negative consequences.
  • LeCun's outspoken political views and social media presence.
  • His disagreement with calls for government regulation of AI research.
  • His public disputes with Elon Musk and criticism of Donald Trump.

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We're bringing you a special episode of On With Kara Swisher! Kara sits down for a live interview with Meta's Yann LeCun, an “early AI prophet” and the brains behind the largest open-source large language model in the world. The two discuss the potential dangers that come with open-source models, the massive amounts of money pouring into AI research, and the pros and cons of AI regulation. They also dive into LeCun’s surprisingly spicy social media feeds — unlike a lot of tech employees who toe the HR line, LeCun isn’t afraid to say what he thinks of Elon Musk or President-elect Donald Trump.

This interview was recorded live at the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg Center in Washington, DC as part of their Discovery Series.

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