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Jay & Shai's debt ceiling adventure (Update)

2025/6/19
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Scott Besant: 作为财政部长,我意识到我们正在逼近债务上限的警告线,如果再不采取行动,今年夏天我们将触及债务上限,这让我感到担忧。 Shai Akabas: 作为两党政策中心的专家,我致力于提供关于债务上限的客观信息,尽管这并不总是受欢迎的。我与我的团队利用国会预算办公室的经济预测数据,努力确定美国政府可能违约的X日期,以避免潜在的经济灾难。确定X日期并非易事,因为税收收入和政府支出都存在不确定性,需要仔细分析每日财政报表。 Jay Powell: 早在2011年,我就意识到关于债务上限存在很多错误信息,因此我决定与Shai Akabas合作,努力让人们了解债务上限的实际含义以及突破债务上限的潜在后果。我们共同努力,通过独立的分析和沟通,帮助决策者们认识到问题的严重性,并最终促成了债务上限危机的解决。 Janet Yellen: 作为财政部长,我告知国会美国已经触及债务上限,需要迅速达成协议。为了争取更多的时间,我将采取一些特别措施来阻止危机,这些措施虽然是会计技巧,但对于避免违约至关重要。

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Note: A version of this episode first ran in 2023).Every year, the U.S. government spends more money than it takes in. In order to fund all that spending, the country takes on debt. Congress has the power to limit how much debt the U.S. takes on. Once we reach that limit, Congress has a few options so that the government keeps paying its bills: Raise the debt limit, suspend it, or eliminate it entirely. Which is daunting, because if lawmakers don't figure something out in time, the ramifications for the global economy could be huge. Shai Akabas, of the Bipartisan Policy Center, has become something of the go-to expert in calculating the exact date America would hit the wall and not be able to pay all its debts. This day is so terrifying it has a special name, the X-Date. Today's episode is about how Akabas and Jay Powell — long before he became chair of the Federal Reserve — worked to create a system to determine the X-Date with the hope of helping us all never reach it.We also have an update on this year's looming X-Date, which could arrive as soon as this summer. *Find more Planet Money: Facebook) / Instagram) / TikTok) / Our weekly Newsletter).Listen free at these links: Apple Podcasts), Spotify), the NPR app) or anywhere you get podcasts.Help support Planet Money and hear our bonus episodes by subscribing to Planet Money+ in Apple Podcasts) or at plus.npr.org/planetmoney).*Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)