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The MAGA Rift Over War in Iran

2025/6/20
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Dan Pfeiffer
前白宫通信主任和《Pod Save America》播客的共同主持人，专注于政治、通信和数字策略。
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Eric Swalwell
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Tommy Vitor
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Jon Favreau: 我认为特朗普政府对伊朗的政策摇摆不定，一方面批准了对伊朗核设施的袭击计划，另一方面又暗示可能通过外交途径解决问题。然而，军事打击的后果是无法预测的，即使摧毁了核设施，也无法保证伊朗不会在未来重新发展核武器。因此，我们应该认真考虑外交途径，避免重蹈伊拉克战争的覆辙。 Dan Pfeiffer: 我认为华盛顿特区的大部分人似乎忘记了伊拉克战争的教训，他们没有充分考虑军事行动的后果，只关注炸弹袭击伊朗时的刺激。如果目标是阻止伊朗拥有核武器，那么只有两种选择：通过外交达成协议，或者像以色列希望的那样，进行伊朗的政权更迭。然而，政权更迭可能会导致更致命、更危险、更持久的冲突，因此我们应该优先考虑外交途径。

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Trump says he'll deTrump says he'll decide whether to strike Iran sometime in the next two weeks; while some of the biggest names in MAGA, like Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz try to sway his choice. Pete Hegseth and Tulsi Gabbard are reportedly on the outs at the White House, Trump flip-flops on immigration enforcement at farms, federal agents handcuff more Democrats, and the Senate version of the Big, Beautiful Bill is even worse than we expected. Then, Jon and Dan discuss the growing mess at the DNC and what that could mean for next year's midterms. Later, Tommy sits down with Congressman Eric Swalwell to discuss ICE raids, Iran, fears lawmakers have for their safety, and more.

 

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