Returning To The Arena With Gladiator’s Connie Nielsen
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Oh, God, I can't really tell you the story. Oh, shit. But I... Man, what's happening, man? You got Marshawn Beastmode Lynch. Doug Hendrickson. And Gavin Newsom, and you're listening to Politicking. We got Connie Nielsen coming up, who's...

Marshawn, she's been in all kinds of stuff from The Devil's Advocate to movies with Robin Williams. But of course, she was in Gladiator 24 years ago and is in Gladiator 2. And she's the, maybe, I mean, not the dominant character in Gladiator 2. She's one of the dominant characters and she's a dear friend and remarkable philanthropist. And someone who's been out front on gender equality and she's got her own nonprofit. She was, you know,

And she was an actress going back when she was very young in Denmark. And has traveled the world, speaks six or seven damn languages, one of those people. And so we're honored to have Connie Nielsen up next on Politic.

Connie, how are you? I'm good. How are you, Doug? I'm doing great. You are the hottest woman in town in the country right now. How are you feeling with it? I don't feel super hot. I got to tell you, I'm like I'm I guess I'm not dressing the part really like, you know, just a sweater.

Well, I got my, I have my Marshawn shirt on. Uh, don't, don't forget you don't eat your chicken and, uh, so we're all, we're all dressed down, Connie, but no, thanks for coming on. We really appreciate it. Gab is, uh, as always like super well-dressed. I took my tie off for you. That shows my respect. That's nice. My respect shows my respect. Well, it's good. Thank you by the way, for joining us. Cause I, I wasn't joking. You've been, I've seen, I've turned on, I'm like, what the heck? You're in Australia. Uh,

You're, you know, all over, obviously all of the United States, but around the rest of the world with this sort of next level blockbuster, Gladiator 2, and a movie that obviously doesn't need any introduction, a movie that's so indelible in our lives 24 years ago.

And you had a significant role then, but Connie, I was sitting there with your son watching this movie. We just coincidentally went to one of the shows. He was sitting behind me and literally, I don't even, I haven't even told you this. I turned around. I'm like, I didn't know she, like, you're like one of the main, you're not just in the movie. You're

You're like foundationally. It was next level part. And you didn't give me any warning about that. But was that, I mean, honestly, did you expect that role to grow in such a prominent and significant way? Did you expect when you got that script that you would be such a significant player in the remake or the second iteration? Yeah.

You know, it's so funny because, you know, my memory of the first one is, of course, that I am super central to... I know, but not as... And it's like the Rosencrantz and Guildenstern thing, you know, which is where, you know, this incredible play...

where, you know, these two side characters in Hamlet, you know, think of themselves as the main characters in their own play. And so I'm one of those actors. I always think I'm the main character. LAUGHTER

But was it, I mean, it, it is a, I mean, it is, it's a remarkable movie because it just, the ability to take something that was, you know, almost perfect. That's 24 years old, uh, with so much expectation and actually, uh, match that expectation and exceed it. Um, and that's a, that's a risk in and of itself. Just be participating. There's been a lot of great flops, uh,

in the number two movies, but this isn't one of them. And did you know that right when you saw that script or you just knew that before you even got the script because of the team that was assembled?

I mean, I wasn't sure about the script, frankly, until I read it. It seemed like an impossible task to create such a story that could actually measure itself next to the original. And as you said, there was a lot of love for that first film. And I think people were worried that we were going to come and ruin it. And what we've had is so many people

who have literally said, like, I actually think I prefer this one to the first one. And so there's a lot of love for both gladiators, that's for sure. And, you know, I was definitely worried. And then I read the script and I realized, no, you know, this is a really great story. So, you know, I was excited to start it.

I love it. Well, Connie, take me through the, the, the, when you, when you're done with it, because obviously we have another budding movie star here with Marshawn, uh, who's now in entertainment, but take me through when you're done. It seems like Gavin said, you've been on every continent, it premieres every place. And you've been at the grand prix in Vegas. You've been at our F1, you've been everywhere. How's that the last three and a half weeks been? You've been on, on the road interviews, every, every place. Is that just been nuts in terms of what you've been doing for it?

I've been on the road for six weeks. And if I tell you like my itinerary, you will faint. I mean, it's different. It's crazy. But it's also been kind of amazing, you know, to premiere the film in Sydney, New York,

in Tokyo, in Paris, in Copenhagen, in London, Los Angeles, New York. Like it's been pretty crazy to meet with the fans in so many different locations and see them be so excited about the film. And frankly, also about my character. Like just a lot of people have just shown Lucilla a lot of love and it's just been beautiful.

And I'm curious, Connie, just with the experience you had 25 years ago, and you're out, I imagine, a version of a world tour. Is this, I mean, is it, I think it was Marcus Aurelius who was sort of the OG of this, the first film. He said, you never walk in the same river twice. Not because the river's changed, because you're changed. And 24 years later, you're a very different person. The maturation of your character changes.

gave you that ability as well to bring that to life. And it's, it's, it was, that's what was so wonderful for me to watch just in terms of knowing you, which is always strange knowing someone and then seeing them on screen, but how you could just see your joy in trying to bring that complexity and that maturation to the character to life and have, I thought just more room to run with that. But what was the, just the experience of being back out there on,

from a global perspective? Was it, I mean, was it the same river twice or was it something even more extraordinary? No, in fact, I think I used that precise take on it that, you know, that you in fact can't go, you know, walk into the same river twice because the river has changed. And, and so have you, you know, I've changed. And, and,

And even like the Roman Empire that we're talking about has changed. And that was what was so interesting for me, because I really just put myself in the place of Lucilla. What would it have been like for Lucilla had she had this experience before?

of being like the daughter of Marcus Aurelius. And you know, Marcus Aurelius had presided as the fourth emperor in a line of four emperors in a row, 80 years of unprecedented growth and positive governance of this empire.

And even so, you know, we've cast Lucilla as a Republican who continues to believe that ultimately, you know, freedom for the people is the only truth that they really can, you know, push for.

You know, no matter how benevolent this dictatorship has been, well, not quite dictatorship, but this emperor position has been for Rome. And we see why, right? Because after Commodus dies, you have a series of horrible rulers of Rome. And it must have been incredible for people who still remember the Golden Age to

at that time, to go back to look at what had happened to their once proud, sort of shining example of a democracy, a democracy, you know, different from our terms, but in their terms of democracy back then in 20 years.

You know, you have a moment when our film starts where the Praetorian Guard is basically just selling, auctioning off more or less the position of emperor to the highest bidder. It's a sad state. And I imagine what it must have been like to watch that.

Marshawn, were you familiar? I mean, it's interesting. Everybody's now looking up Stoicism and everybody's learning about Marcus Aurelius, learning about one of the most significant works of literature, just Stoicism.

deep human understanding meditations, uh, and people that have read it maybe are rereading it today and, and picking up more contemporary cues. But I'm curious, Marshawn, you ever heard of Marcus Aurelius, the most powerful man in the world, emperor of Rome? No, I haven't. But you saw gladiator, right? You saw the first one, right? Yeah. I seen it, uh, like I seen it a while ago. So, I mean, you know, and I, and I haven't seen, uh,

Part two yet. And only because I haven't been able to sit down. Like, I want to go and watch part one before I go and get in to two just so I can make sure. I mean, there's nothing that I missed. So, I mean, when I get the time to sit down, I'm going to check that out.

I do want to say, Rashaan, you don't have to watch number one because the number two actually just stands alone on its own. It does. And, and you kind of, even, even if you haven't seen number one, you can go in and kind of understand from the beginning, uh,

what has happened as a preamble to number two. So just want to say, if you want to catch it while it's still up on the big screen, I would definitely go do that just because seeing that film on the biggest screen possible is really worth it.

Okay. Well, I'm one of them dudes that like to, if I'm going to watch something, I like to binge watch. So, you know what I mean? Being able to go and check one out, then go sit down and watch two, I think that'll be. We should make like a double screening somewhere, right? Yeah. That would be a good idea. Real. You can make that happen? Yeah.

I'm going to take it all. Denzel seems like the coolest dude on the planet. Like, I've never met him. He seems like the coolest dude that anybody would want to meet anywhere. Is he that good of a guy, that cool of a guy? I mean, it was so sweet because when we were doing the press tour for our film, he was also doing a press tour for a film that he's done with his kids.

um that's uh called the piano lesson and um it's gotten great reviews and you've just never seen a prouder dad like literally so excited to to tell us about this new film and he was so proud of having you know done this film not just with his two sons but also with his daughters in this film and so it's a an exciting thing for him it's an exciting moment for him you know i think he's uh

He's kind of thinking of winding down his career little by little. And I think having had this moment of shooting with his family made him just especially proud.

No, but did you guys, I mean, it must've had conversations over the years about the prospect of making number two, right? This didn't come out of the woodwork. Was Denzel always, I mean, did they, did Ridley Scott, did they have Denzel in mind for a decade or so for this role? I mean, Ridley had already done one movie, American Gangster with Denzel. And, and so I think, yeah,

When he wrote the character of Macrinus, who also was historically, he's also part of the history books, then I think he automatically had Denzel in his mind. That's good. And I mean, obviously, look, I mean, the epic nature of everything Ridley Scott's ever done, but you've talked a lot about, as you've been on the road, watched a few of your interviews, the nature of technology now and what he's able to bring to life.

with his quality of imagination because the technology allows him to scale that and generate in real time the ability to make magic. I mean, I imagine a lot of that you anticipated you may have seen or read in the script itself or felt. But when you saw it up there on screen, when everything came together, what was that like for you?

I mean, he does use technology a lot, but everything that you need to see, he actually builds in real life.

So, you know, he had created an animatronic rhinoceros for the big rhinoceros fight scene. There were real boats for the boats scene, though not real water. So it's just like what the technology allows him to do is to just create

reach a whole new level of effects that I don't think anyone has put on the screen yet. You know, not to this level. And it's just, he just loves technology, especially because it just allows him to, you know, whatever comes into his mind as a vision, he can make it appear. You know, it's incredible.

Yeah, Marshawn, you got to go see it tonight. It is absolutely amazing. And again, Connie, I was with Gavin when your son was there watching as well too. And I was mind blown. It was just unbelievable. But let me ask you a question. I've always been admired, admired you as a person and everything you've done as far as the philanthropy work, you know, working in movies and whatnot. How have you been so grounded? I mean, you got, you're a great mother. You're, you've been phenomenal at everything you do and you've lived away from kind of LA and,

And you've done it kind of in your own terms. And I've really admired how you've done it because you've taken the roles you want to take. You work when you want to work. Everything you've done has hit and been like blockbuster stuff, which has been great. And you've done it in a very cool way in your own terms. And I really appreciate that. So is that, that's not normal in Hollywood. And you've been doing this for a long, long time.

It is kind of funny when I'm home in Denmark, people call me like a Hollywood star. I go like, I would get lost if you put me in the middle of Hollywood and asked me to go somewhere without my phone because I have no idea. I don't know the place like whatsoever. And it is strange for me when I do go to LA because I really don't know very many people there. I'm just as much a tourist as anybody who goes there, you know.

But I have lived the kind of life that I prefer. I am sort of someone who just likes to be with my friends and with my family and to like, I don't know, outside of my work, you know,

do like a real life, like living with real people who live normal lives, you know, and I guess you could say that, you know, the Bay Area is very privileged in many, many ways. And there are all kinds of people here. And I

I know we have our own set of problems in terms of like the high living costs that's forcing a lot of those normal people out of the Bay Area. But that notwithstanding, I just have loved living here and building a life here for my kids, for sure. But Connie, when did you come out to California? I mean, when do you leave Denmark? And then at what age did you end up out here in California?

So I've lived a lot of sort of weird chapters on the way here. I lived in Paris from 18 to 21 and did my first movie as soon as I arrived in Paris where I was staying with my uncle. And I literally did my first movie at 18 there with Jerry Lewis.

as my co-star. I was 18, he was 58, I think, and had just had open heart surgery and showed me, I remember, the scar that went from here down to here and

It was just before having my first film kiss at 18 with a much older man. Wow. That's a whole other podcast right there. Right. And then I went to Italy where I went to. I did an acting school in Rome and I had my first kid there. I lived in Italy for 10 years. Loved, loved, loved living in Italy. And then I moved to New York in 96 and

did my first movie in America there literally two months after moving to New York, which was The Devil's Advocate. And it was quite a thing for me to land in New York, put my kid into the Italian school and then go to work, you know, on a rooftop.

above Central Park with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves in my first scene. That was the first scene. Well, Connie, so before you got to 18, so in 13, 14, 15, you were doing acting and you told your parents, listen, I want to go do this. And then you find an agent then in Denmark, and then they found this role for you in Paris, or how'd you get there to begin? Yeah.

No, it was like I was living in this tiny city village, actually outside of a city, a small city in the very top northern Denmark. And and I told my mom, like I'd started doing acting next to her. She had a review and variety show in the summer that did political comedy show sketches and

And I did my first scenes with her at 15 and 16. And then I told her that that was what I wanted. And my grandmother had a cousin living in Paris, but we had no one living in Copenhagen. And so it just was easier for me to go to Paris than it was to go to Copenhagen.

And when I got to Paris, I met a girl in the subway who was American. She asked me to dinner. I came to dinner. Next to me was sitting a producer. The producer asked me if I wanted to ask me what I was doing in Paris. And I said, I'm an actress.

And then he asked me, oh, what is your background? I told him, well, I've been doing these political review shows with my mom for the past three years. And he was like, well, would you like to audition for this role?

young girl in a comedy. And I was like, sure. And literally three days later, I went to the studio, auditioned for the role, got the role. And it's there where I just want to say, I could speak French because I had done seven grades of French in high school because our teacher was

Had this small group of girls, like seven girls to teach French to and was obsessed with it. And so he taught us how to read and write fluently in French. So I spoke fluent French when I got there. And, and so I, I realize as I'm telling my, my story that I've had sort of like a Forrest Gump like kind of life where I've just happened to, you know, you know,

But, you know, I don't know, like sort of back my way into something rather than sort of forging ahead of it. Does that make sense? 100%. Take me through the guys in Gladiator. I mean, who was the toughest gladiator out of those two guys? I can't really say because I would give it away. We don't want Marshawn to see what happens. Do you know what I'm saying? Right, right, right. But I can reveal that one of them is my son.

And the other one is my husband. And so you're putting a woman in a hard place. Who is she going to choose her husband or her son? Like, there you go. There you go. I think nine out of 10 times it's the son, but that's just, you know, that's my instinct. No, it is Pedro Pascal. So it is a hard choice. I gotta say.

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By the way, I'm curious, have you talked to Russell about this new movie? Do you guys compare notes? Is he a FOMO that he's not in it? Oh, God, I can't really tell you the story. Oh, shit. But I did text him a picture of me and Paul and said, look, our son and...

And he didn't think it was funny. He didn't think it was funny. Oh.

Oh, that's interesting. But that's got to be not, you know, legitimately, I don't even think about, you know, how he's feeling about all this just with all the fanfare and energy. And I'm, but you know, we don't have to go down that rabbit hole, but one of the things, you know, you have done is you've, you've, you've kind of, you've made a few movies and you've done it over and over again. I'm noticing a little bit of pattern, Wonder Woman, obviously you got nobody to coming out, but back to Wonder Woman, uh,

I mean, that was interesting. I mean, I know we can get into a little bit also your passion. You talk about things outside of Hollywood and the work you've done as it relates to gender equality and talk about your nonprofit in a moment. But Wonder Woman must have been intentional for you in terms of also –

expressing not only your acting chops, but also expressing a point of view and participating in what became also just an indelible and iconic breakthrough movie.

Well, I first of all want to credit Patty Jenkins and also to a degree Zach with just having the vision first as a director and then also a producer to come up with this vision for Wonder Woman. I think that everyone fell in love with the world of them.

mascara that you know Patty put up on on the screen with the incredible costumes like just incredible people who did a lot of different things to make this so beautiful. I was very inspired by an incredible book called Amazons which is written by a Stanford just a wonderful

a professor at Stanford in

I'm so sorry I'm blanking on her name, but just like an incredible woman who in her studies of anthropology had, you know, like revealed what no one seemed to really talk about, which is the extraordinary thing that, you know, all of those ideas we have about what is male and what is female and what did women do in history and what did men do in history,

Well, it turns out that a lot of these ideas about warriors being male and people working in the home being female

were misleading simply because anthropologists, you know, just assume that if they saw a sword in a grave, well, then that was a male grave. And if they saw a bowl in a grave, well, then that was a female grave. But what this anthropologist then realized or like describes in this book is no, in fact, you know, when these new female anthropologists started like testing these graves, it turned out that the DNA revealed that

all the way up to 20% of these graves were actually female warriors in places like Kazakhstan, Bulgaria, and parts of Serbia.

the Amazons that were considered mythical were in fact not therefore mythical and were in fact these female warriors that really grabbed the imagination of the Greeks who were famous misogynists and who just could not even bear to consider this idea that these women were warriors and able to, you know, beat them in battle.

And so that was my inspiration for Hippolyta, the character that I played in Wonder Woman. For me personally, I kept in mind like this one grave that I read about.

which was like the most famous grave. And it was a woman warrior. She was covered in gold, gold plates, like as in her grave. She was buried with her hunting dog, with her hawk, her trained hawk, you know, that she used for hunting and seven horses.

And so she must have been insanely rich at the time. And it just like could not get her out of my mind like this.

That's a story that you just never see. And that's who you embodied for that role? Well, that's who I sort of had in my mind, yeah, when I did that role. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, that's dope as fuck. You know, Marshawn, what's interesting, and Connie, I appreciate you, because all that research you do for these parts, etc.,

And I think that was something that really struck me as it relates to the interviews you've been doing on the Gladiator 2 tour is your ability to iterate and engage, particularly with a director like Ridley Scott, who wants that and chooses...

individuals, actors like yourself that are willing to express themselves and are willing to sort of challenge some of those norms. And I think for Marshawn, it's interesting just as you start your acting career as well, you know, what's that? I'm curious, and this is a question for you, Connie, but it's a consideration for you as well, Marshawn. At what point do you have that confidence that you can move from the script to

and this job to more of an expression and take that risk that you may get pushed back. That we hired you to do this role, read your script, shut up, versus, hey, I'm a human being. I thought you hired me because you wanted more than was just the written word. You wanted me to bring something extra to this role. Was there a moment, Connie, where you were like, I'm going to move out of my shell and

after a third film or so, were you that way with Pacino? And you said, hey, Al, here's the way this character is going to work for me. You know, my dad was a real tough cookie. And so I learned to negotiate with tough guys since I was a baby. Okay. I learned how to, that, you know, a no does not mean a no. It just means maybe. Connie does not play anymore, Sean. She's a tough, tough cookie. I love that. Doug's basically apologizing for that.

I just really believe that you can negotiate anything, especially if you're coming from a place that is not of ego, but you're coming from a place of passion and joy. You're coming from a place of wanting to share things.

all of the discovery that you've made in creating this character. And if you're not just there because you're this narcissistic person who is like, oh, it's my way or the highway. But if you're there because you want to share ideas and ways to make yourself

your character richer, that will benefit the film. As long as you're also listening for what is the other person really trying to do? And I think that's where working with someone like with big and amazing directors, like, you know, Ridley, like Patty, like Zach, like,

You just like with Zach, I can, for example, say on Justice League, you know, there were ideas where in the script, you know, I escaped this this collapsing situation.

you know, this collapsing place where it buries a lot of my Amazons inside. And then off we are to the races, you know, to get the mother box out of there. And I said, Zach, you know, I really feel like it's sad that she doesn't take a moment to consider the lives that these Mamazons have sacrificed. And so he set up this whole scene of

where I honor that sacrifice, that loss for a moment. And it gave a dimension to the film and to the character because just a little thing, like two seconds where you take a moment to honor these fallen warriors, that said a lot about the character and a lot about the film. - I love it. Varshawn, you're a little bit of, I mean, you, and I know we've talked a little bit about this, but Varshawn's first,

big movie, Connie, Bottoms, and 99% I'm making this up, but Marshawn, maybe you can share. I mean, most of your lines are just stuff you said, hey, this is what I think needs to be said, not necessarily what they told me that I should say. I mean, am I overstating that? Sort of a similar experience a little bit, Connie. And by the way, can I just say I love that film so much, and you're awesome in it. Thank you. I appreciate it.

No, I mean, for me, it's because I'm so green in the space. It's kind of more so like I'm to the point where it's like, all right, tell me what it is that you're looking for. And then if you give me an opportunity to, I mean, do me, I've just been...

uh, blessed to where they actually like, you know, when I do me. And then if we can find a happy medium to where I can give them, you know what I mean? Uh, the few things that they need, you know what I mean? To drive the film, um, with the, with the story and the concept of everything. And I'm able to, I mean, give them that and some of me and a good mixture of it. So,

You know, that's kind of, you know, my thought process, because the thing is, I never want to go into no position where I'm stepping on nobody's toes. So when they do give me the actual opportunity to do me, I make sure I do all of me. And it's been working out, you know, pretty well for me.

Well, the cool thing is Gavin, you know, Connie and Marshawn are very similar. They both done it their way. They're authentic. They're, they're humble. They're not going to like Marshawn's to step on anybody's toes, but they're going to have their own mind and think and do it that way. And, and Connie, honestly, everything you've talked about in your life is very similar to how Marshawn's lived his life.

No one's ever kind of told him, hey, this is your box day in it. He's done his own thing. And he's whenever I had to do a contract for him, he said, well, why is this the contract? Why can't we get more? What about this? He's always pushed to the higher limits, which is cool. You guys are very similar that way. But Connie, I did have a question. So if Marshawn did have a great year in the NFL and, you know, he was a free agent, all these teams would come calling, offering new stuff.

Off of this movie now, is the phone ringing like crazy? Are people calling and seeing what you did? Because again, the movie was absolutely phenomenal. Or is it now you're looking at 10, 20 different scripts of what you want to do? How does it work in Hollywood? Is that kind of on the heels of a movie like this? So I am like, apparently, I literally got a text from my agent, like,

an hour ago saying you're number three on IMDB, which is like apparently, you know, determined by how many searches for your name. And so, yes, I am reading scripts. I'm still, and I'm working a lot also on my own writing as well. I started producing and writing and I got my first book,

sort of own project done two years ago where I described how Karen Blixen who wrote Out of Africa how she became a writer and I just was like

So excited. It was really, truly exciting to do my own stuff, like things that I had come up with the concept for and really wanted to talk about. And that kind of stuff is what I'm really hoping to do more of now as well. And no directing, Connie? I mean, has you ever had the directing bug? No.

My producer in Denmark would like me to direct my next project, yes. But we'll see. I take it one step at a time. And just like Marshawn, it's about being humble and also honoring the process, you know. Yeah. And I really... So I feel like, yeah, I would love that. But I also am aware of how many much better directors than me that are out there. And...

So if I, you know, if, um, if the right thing comes along for it, then I would love to do it. I saw, um,

My old ass the other day after my my youngest had recommended it to me. And, you know, that's an actress who who has now made her second movie. And that film is like unbelievably good. And just it's inspiring when you see that stuff happen. This is it.

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By the way, just in terms of your own, you know, the sort of expansive career that you've had, are there, are you feeling more optimistic? I mean, it's interesting the last two years through backing up.

You've had these sort of twin movies that have sort of broken through and given new life to quote-unquote Hollywood, obviously with Barbie last year and now you and Wicked this year. But are you optimistic about your industry? Are you concerned about some of the trend lines?

in the industry, the streaming side of things versus the blockbuster over reliance on already well-conceived or well-received movies and becoming derivative of those movies or lack of originality? I mean, what's your over-under in terms of your own perspective and your own experience?

I mean, my perspective is colored by the fact that my great-great-grandparents had movie theaters. They had three movie theaters. My great-great-grandmother built three movie theaters. My great-grandmother had...

built and operated one movie theater. My great-grandfather made his own comedy film, movie. And then my great-grandmother stopped her movie house in the late 60s because this craze for bingo. Uh-oh, that's Marshawn's mother.

I was about to say, what kind of bingo? Like, bingo ravaged the movie theaters in the provinces of Denmark. And so all of a sudden, people weren't going to the movie theater. They were going to bingo because they could win a goose or something like that, you know, if they won at bingo. They played bingos for gooses? Yeah, they played and you could win something. And it was, yes, usually like a frozen something. And, and, and...

And so, but then movie theaters just, uh,

They made, you know, they went from being palaces at the time of my great grandparents and then they became smaller and they could put more movies in the movie theaters. And then they also became bigger and better sound. And now here in the Bay Area, there are plenty of them where you can have dinner at the same time, you know. So I think through innovation, people will always figure out a way to go to the movies because I think it has so much in common with sports

You know, if you did not have the people sitting there watching sports, it would not be the same thing. You know, being a part of it and participating in a story, whether it's something that's played out on the field or shown on the big screen,

You know, it's a communal experience and I just don't think that that will change and I don't want it to change. You know, for me, in my mind, I trace it back not just through my family over the past 115 years, but also because that's 115 years since my great grandparents opened their first restaurant.

movie theater. But, but all I trace my job all the way back to ancient Greece, and probably before that, you know, where people sat in huge arenas and watched plays.

That's how I see it. I think, and before that even, we had itinerant storytellers who would go from village to village and they would sit around the fire with the village and the elders and the children and everybody would listen to the story. This is before reading. This storytelling goes back to the cradle of humankind and it is what tells us about who we are and how to live.

And what's funny about all of that too. Hey, Con, let me ask you a question. You literally have, I'm not sure if it's one or two sons, but a famous, obviously rockstar father and a rockstar actress mother. Are they following any lead in the music path or the entertainment path or both or neither?

So my oldest son, Sebastian, was a hip hop producer for more than 15, 16 years. And the music industry during that time just changed so much. And I do want to say this publicly. The way that and I say this also to a legislator.

The way that all of the money is amassing at the very top of that food chain, meaning in the distribution access, meaning streamers.

of music is quite literally killing talent and making them go away from music because they don't know how to monetize it anymore. Very few people can monetize it.

Right now, my two middle sons, Miles and Lane have an incredible band, Taipei Houston, they're touring. They are unbelievably talented and driven and they make incredible music.

And, you know, we'll see if they can figure out how to monetize this thing. If not, they too are going to. Gavin, we know somebody. Can you fix it, Gavin? This is part of the show. I'm just saying, Gavin. We get on the governance. Something's got to give. That's for sure. You can't have to have 100,000 streams before you can afford to buy a coffee. I mean, and I think it's even worse, actually.

No, but Gavin, that's true. I mean, Snoop talked about that before with us. How do we fix that, Gavin? Honestly, let's get let's get the business. I mean, come on, Connie, you're Jason to the answer, which is Lars was out front on this decades ago. He was. Yeah, it was like and do you know how much shit he took for that? Like it was like people like sent him death threats for telling the truth.

No, I mean, he was literally on the forefront, right on the edge. Sean Parker, Napster. I mean, that was like, that was just like game changing stuff. Yeah, no. And so that's, so yeah, I'm the last guy. The answer to that question, I just call Lars and get the answer and then just record it. Now, I think that the answer is that we have to go back to like making sure that payola is not repeating itself. That's what I think. So there's a lot of that. You just-

Calling that straight out. I like it. Yeah. Wow. Absolutely. I'm not in the music business, so I really don't care.

But it goes to Doug's question, though. I mean, I love that because a lot of parents don't want necessarily the experiences, the negative side of fame and the experience of celebrity and the trials and errors. I mean, it's a tough business in terms of ego. You're up, you're down, et cetera. But you embrace. You want them to follow their passion, your kids, and you're not trying to say, don't go into acting, don't become musicians, whatever.

I mean, you're not in that space. Absolutely not. I think I really believe that the passion that each one of us has is so important. You know, whether it's for...

sports or music or whatever it is. I, for me, if they were interested in, you know, math or science, I would be just as happy. But ultimately, all I my job is to just tell them, go with your heart, just go with your heart, because I believe in that so much.

I love it. But don't go to Hollywood necessarily. You know, they can go to Hollywood. Three of them lived in LA. So when, you know, yeah, so they go, they went there. So I, what can I say? But Connie, I mean, you seem very happy in a, in a great spot and I've known you a while, but you just seem very happy and you should be obviously your life's phenomenal, but you see, and what do you do outside of this business? I mean, I do a lot of,

you know, yoga, meditation. Talk about 10th anniversary, your nonprofit as well, and also finding that passion and purpose. So we just celebrated the 10th anniversary of the opening of a community slash municipal services center that we created in the slum of Kibera, which is the biggest slum in East Africa. And, um,

You know, we started the project back in 2010 and to watch over, you know, the progress that this passion project has taken over these past 14 years and 10 years of the Center.

It's remarkable. You know, we collected 30 people, young people from all of these differing tribes living in this slum who two years prior had been trying to kill each other over electoral issues in Kenya and told them,

Everyone here is equal. Just as many men as women always make sure you have one from each team, one from each gender and so on on your teams. Talk about DEI. We were doing DEI 14 years ago and it worked.

And, you know, our center became a place of peace and of progress and a place where anyone who wanted to get a skill set and education had get a loan, start a business, go on the Internet, take a bath, use the bathrooms and bring home clean water, all of that.

is available to you. And, you know, if you're living in a place where you don't have running water or access to electricity, all of a sudden, you know, finding a job becomes extremely difficult because people

How are people going to get in contact with you? How are you even going to propose yourself to a job if you haven't had a shower or if you don't know how to write an application, a job application, and if you don't have skills for any job? And so we built those and we can now look back and say, okay,

You know, tens of thousands of people have benefited from clean water and thousands of people have built businesses and lives and an income, livable income through these services. And for that, I feel like this enormous gratitude is just for me that we've been able to just come up with a simple thing.

which is make these services available for people in one spot where they will not waste any time or have any difficulty finding all of these services under one roof. That is awesome.

And and people will do the rest. People will do the rest, you know. And I think we should take this concept and make it available everywhere in the in the United States as well. Well, it's funny, Connie, you know, Marshawn, when he graduated from Cal, when he was in the NFL, he started a fan first foundation in Oakland.

And they have a youth center in Oakland and they do similar stuff where they have a kind of a one stop shop where kids can get off the streets and, you know, job training. And just, you know, if you need to get away from and get counseling or whatever, maybe more shutting in touch, more on it. But it's been an incredible foundation they've done for the last 19, 20 years. You said where over Africa is your. It's in Nairobi, but you're so right, Marshawn. Nairobi, where?

In the center of Nairobi, it's like a slum there called Kibera. Kibera, that's what you said. And hundreds of thousands of people living there. And honestly, there are so many unincorporated communities just, I think, in the United States that could benefit from a sort of like micro municipal center that provides services.

You know, all of these services, because these are just services. They're not, you know, I know that in America, a lot of times, you know, anything that is services based is seen almost as if it were socialism. But these services help change people's lives and empowers them for change. Wouldn't you agree, Marshawn?

Yeah, that's interesting because maybe 10 years ago in Nairobi as well, but we went and put a freshwater system out there. That was one of my first international projects that we did on behalf of our foundation. But as you was talking about it, I just looked up on my phone the pictures and everything. And we went out there and

to a village that they took me on this mother walk. So they took me on a mother walk with all of the women from the village who actually take care of everything. The husbands go out and work, could be from months on at a time. And

Before we actually went to the water system, I got to see like what it was like as like a day in the life. And I mean, we walk from the village to the to the water hole where I mean, everybody came here. I say everybody, I mean, the animals, the people from the village, like everybody.

And it was almost like a neutral spot where everybody called the troops. Like, I mean, the animals come in, they get their water. The mothers walk there. It was probably like a half a mile. And they said they maybe make that walk.

maybe like 10 to 15 times a day just to be able to have water and shit. So before they actually took me to the system, this was like, this is what we have to do in order to get, you know what I mean, our water. And then we have to boil it, you know what I mean, to sterilize it and do that. So when we go to the actual water system where, you know, it was maybe like three or four fountains, you know, the big water tower. And I'm just like, okay, this is,

This is a pretty convenient. This is pretty nice. But, you know, I mean, when you start speaking of the services that you, you know, you're able to provide for these individuals, just the fact that how appreciative and the gratitude that they show just to go to a place where they can actually get fresh water. And, you know, they talk about, you know, I mean, how much time it cuts out, you know, I mean, by just having it.

I mean, accessible like this and what that meant for the for the community out there. That was that was that was huge. I'm not sure. I mean, how much work you still do over there. But that's something that I mean, I would like to look into. And I mean, if there's opportunity, I mean, to go over and see, you know, what you got going on. You're welcome to come with me in January. We're going to the center in January and January.

We're going to go with other people as well. The center is completely self-run by the community members. And when you go to the center, you have both our own well,

We have our own solar system. We have our own water bottling plant now. We have 80 computers for IT training so that people can get jobs. And just in a three-month course, people can access IT jobs at a low level that, you know,

brings them seven times up in wages just from the first month of work. And within six months, you know, they're able to radically change the income for the rest of their family. In addition to that, we also have our own bank.

That was started by our own people now has a loan that has grown organically of more than four hundred thousand dollars. And and they only take a very low interest rate. That's how we grew it. Very, very low so that people can afford it.

We have both a mini MBA class every summer for entrepreneurs. We have, as I said, lots of IT class, but we also have a music and film studio where people can learn how to become videographers, photographers. We do a course with Nikon.

So we have like all of these different areas that people can use. And then we have, you know, 20 toilets and showers for men and women. And so you kind of have like this whole sort of like every aspect of how to get ready for a job. Right. Connie, congratulations, man. This is unbelievable what you've done. Doug, what are you and I doing for a living, buddy? I mean, yeah, listening to these two.

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I had a lot of time. I was over there for like two or three weeks and I got to, like I said, I did the mother walks and then, you know, from the other side of that, I was with a group, Maasai Warriors, and they were, you know what I mean, kind of telling us like, oh yeah, this is how, you know, you do your crossover and you become a man. Like you gotta go out. And I actually got some of the, uh,

Some of the tools, we ain't going to call them weapons. We're going to call them tools that they, that they equipped the, the, the youth with to go out. Like you get the lion, the lion killer. Oh, that with that club. Yeah. I got that motherfucker sitting right next to my bed at the house. It's incredible. I have one too. It's, it's, it's,

You know what I mean? But they, you know what I mean? They took me through the whole process. Like, you know what I mean? Got me, got me suited up. How you kneel and wait for the line to jump over you and then stop. Yeah. The whole little process. Yeah.

I may need this politically. I like this. Well, by the way, this might be Glide 83. Marshawn might be in Glide 83. No, man, because, you know, you say a lion, like, while we're speaking right now, but then when you see one actually in the wild, like, you know what I mean? That motherfucker a little bit different than the lions that you see at the zoo. You know what I mean? This is a little different process, but, you know, the time that I was out there, you know what I mean? I really got to learn a lot, you know,

you know, with the village that I was in. But during the Maasai war here, like they took us on a, on a, on a, took us on a trail. You know what I mean? It showed us like, okay, this is where the lions at. Don't walk that way. You get too close to the cubs. They, I mean, the whole process. You know about the conservancy thing that they're doing. They're no longer killing the lions, right? Right. But the thing is they put me through this course and then they give me these tools and they like, come on, let's go on a walk. And

And then at this time, it's like, all right, well, we showed you what to do if anything is to happen. All right, nah, you know what? Take me back to the village where, you know what I mean? You got real Masai warriors who really know how to handle this shit. And then just take pictures and then show me. That way I could say, like, you know, I was there because, you know what I mean? I don't really, the animals and the wildlife and, you know what I mean? Yeah.

I wasn't really for that. You haven't done the safari experience where you go out? No, I started. I started until I seen how real it was. I'm like, nah, it ain't no gates. It ain't no...

Yeah, that's right. Visionary lines and nothing is more so like we have a level of respect here. You respect, I mean, what they got going on and they respect what we got going on. You just don't cross that line. The thing is, I don't see these lines. There's no, I mean, no course. So they saying don't cross this line. And I'm like, well, there's no line here to cross. So you mean to tell you if I just step out of place? Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to go back. But

I got, I got renamed out there. They, they gave me a name, a kit rap. It was around the time that kit rap had won the 800 and the Olympics. So yeah,

And I'm, you know, trying to get an understanding of my name. And they tell me it's like Rain Man. And I'm like, Rain Man. OK, it makes sense because I have brought the freshwater system there. And so the name kind of went together. But it was a it was a it was a great experience.

And then I have worked with a company that got me out there to put all this together. So, I mean, as well as, like I said, if there's some opportunity, I mean, to put something together while you're going. Marshawn, you're so welcome to come with us. Absolutely.

Happy to do it again. And this time I'll drag you with me on a walking on a walkabout. Come on. You got your own tools. I do. But I got the thing is I got I got too much respect for the animals and their kingdom. And I understand that this is

This is their kingdom. I ain't got no problem with, you know, watching from afar or looking at the pictures with individuals who are brave enough to put themselves in that type of predicament.

I'm just not that much. So Gavin, here's the deal, Gavin. You got a couple things on your agenda. A few more things, Gavin, but you got to fix the music business for Connie's Sons. I got it. And then we have to implement... I think we're in a form of committee today of Connie and Marshawn to implement another center or centers here in the U.S. Right, Connie? Can we take that model and expound upon Oakland? Make services available to everybody. Connie, he'll be there with you. They got some people that...

you know, can get some things offline more. So just like dates and everything. Definitely. Let's do it. So we like Doug was telling you, we've got a foundation.

in a community center in Oakland who, I mean, between me, my cousin, Josh and Marcus, individuals who also played in the league that... I think I met them. I think I met them at one of Doug's... Like, one time with Doug, I think. Yeah, you have, yeah. Probably so, but, you know, I tend to bring them with us when we go to these other countries and do these things. And then, I mean, you know, it's just something that, you know, we got into, you know,

that I really like. And then along with the water system that we did out in Kenya, we did another project. Well, I did another project with a teammate of mine who's from Haiti and we went and kind of in his his his whole situation is more like what you did where, you know, we we build schools, build housing as well as the

the Fresh Water Project. So, you know, that was more so like a bigger thing for me. But, I mean, we've done these and, you know, I'm trying to do it, you know what I mean, all around the world. Just, I mean, just,

and bring those resources to those other places. So, yeah, I'm not sure, you know, how we go about, you know, hooking that up, but that'd be something that I know you're really interested in. Yeah, we'll connect us and we'll set it up. I'm really good at getting that stuff done very quickly. Okay, cool. I love it.

So Connie is the gladiator then is the press circuit kind of done now? Is this kind of the end of it or is it still going the next few weeks? We've got a few things, uh, still to do, um, coming up next week. Um, uh,

And also, I don't know, like there's just a, we have the San Francisco Film Festival going on right now. There was a wonderful dinner last night with Steve McQueen, the filmmaker who is in town. Oh, nice. He spoke. That's dope. Just mentioning San Francisco Film Festival so that people can go out and buy tickets and support your local film festival, please. Well done.

And Gavin, thank you so much for making these tax rebates for our industry so we can keep this industry and its incredible talent here in California, especially all of our incredible crew members who otherwise couldn't.

get shortchanged for crew members in other corners of the world, um, simply because of a tax rebate. And, um, that allows a crew members to keep their families here in California as well. So I just want to say kudos to you for doing that. That's really, really, really important. Um, but Steve McQueen, um, uh,

at dinner last night spoke, I asked him to talk just a little bit about this incredible film that I don't know if you guys saw it. It was one of his first films called Hunger. And it's about the hunger strike of the Irish prisoners in Ireland. And it was just like really amazing, an amazing thing that he spoke about. And

And I asked him what it was about that film that he wanted to, that had sort of like guided his thinking. And he said, you know, one of the things that people who have no power, even children can do, is to refuse power.

to refuse. And I was just like, that was the whole point of his film, like to show the power of refusal, simply refusing. And I just thought that was such a pretty and beautiful image that he brought up when he was, and it was an incredible film as well. I love it. It reminds me of Havel's piece, The Power of the Powerless.

Yes, absolutely. Some principles, which I love. Absolutely. Well, my Christmas wish, Gavin, is to see a collaboration of Marshawn and Connie on the film at some point coming up in the next few years. And see if he can audition for Gladiator 3. Clearly, you've been pushing him for that. Start working out, Marshawn. You're going to need to work out.

You know, Denzel, he's 70. You know, you could be Denzel's son or something and gladiator for. I don't know. I don't want to give away the film. I know. I'm sure you watched it, Governor. OK. Yeah. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not talking about you. I'm not talking about I'm just it's all I'm just. Yes. Speculating, you know.

That would be a weird plot, Gavin. That'd be an interesting plot. It would be a little confusing. It's a lot of, you know, it's Hollywood. It's not Hollywood. It's, you know, make-believe. It's whatever it is. Make-believe. Connie, nothing about you is make-believe. You're the real deal. I'm grateful. We're all grateful you joined us today. Congratulations on another...

successful tour around the world. Congrats on everything you're doing outside of the day job as it relates to the big screen. And thank you for your integrity and your friendship. And thanks for your contributions overseas, not just across our country and the state. And I'm looking forward to comparing your notes between Marshawn and yourself when you guys finish that walkabout in Nairobi. I'll be sure to let you know.

Hell yeah. I appreciate it, young lady. Thank you. Yeah, Connie, thank you so much. You're unbelievable and I've always admired you and love what you're doing and you got great things in front of you. So I appreciate it. Have a great holiday season. Thanks so much.

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