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Peter Thiel challenges Alex Epstein on Fossil Future

2023/6/29
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Power Hour with Alex Epstein
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Peter Thiel: 我认为，减少化石燃料的使用会导致经济衰退和自由减少，而增加使用则会改善世界。虽然我同意需要替代能源，但我不确定我们能否达到足够高的石油产量，以使每个人都达到美国的生活水平。资源和污染的限制让我对仅仅依赖碳氢化合物持怀疑态度。我们需要探索核能等替代方案，并减少对石油的道德妥协。 Alex Epstein: 我认为资源是无限的，通过知识和自由可以创造更多的能源。化石燃料的道德案例在于，它促进了人类的繁荣。替代能源应被视为扩展能源供应的手段，而非取代化石燃料。我们应该捍卫使用更多化石燃料的自由，并探索各种碳氢化合物的提取和转化方法。重要的是，我们要在政策上支持能源自由，并认识到人类对能源的需求。

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Peter Thiel, despite endorsing Alex Epstein's book, raises some interesting challenges. They find common ground in their agreement that reducing fossil fuels would harm the economy and increase authoritarianism. Their marginal analysis aligns on the benefits of slightly increasing, rather than decreasing, fossil fuel use.
  • Agreement on negative consequences of reducing fossil fuels.
  • Shared view on the anti-science nature of modern environmentalism.
  • Focus on marginal analysis of fossil fuel use.

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From Alex Epstein: "Recently I was having dinner with Peter Thiel (the billionaire investor/entrepreneur who founded PayPal and Palantir) and he raised some interesting challenges to my book Fossil Future (which he has enthusiastically endorsed). I suggested, 'Let’s record a discussion where you give me all your challenges to Fossil Future and I try to answer them.' Peter loved the idea, so we made it happen—recording a 90-minute discussion at his office in West Hollywood."