iPhone 16e Launched: Here’s What's Missing, Humane Ai Pin is Dead, Apple’s New C1 is a Big Deal
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All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain. Time to die. Welcome to Primary Technology, the show about the tech news that matters. Apple released a new iPhone this week, the iPhone 16E. We're going to get into all the nitty-gritty details from its first-party modem that it's developed, but all the features that it left out. The Humane AI pin is now officially, officially dead, and basically it's going to be bricked, and so we're going to talk about that. And we have some interesting Apple TV and Netflix news coming up.

This episode is brought to you by BentoCraft, from a developer who listens and is a part of the community of this show, so excited to talk about that, and you, the members who support us directly. I'm one of your hosts, Steven Robles, with my expensive paperweight right here, and of course, joining me without a paperweight.

He's my friend Jason Aten. How's it going, Jason? Well, I mean, people saw my desk last week on the bonus episode. I have a lot of paperweights around, but none of them were nearly as expensive as yours. I mean, well, actually, I have an M4 Pro Mac Mini that is a paperweight, which is probably more expensive than your Humane AI pin. That is true. Well, I was silly and bought the fancy color Humane AI pin, so this was actually $100 more than the regular pin. So this was $800. I'm pretty sure the Mac...

mini i brick since it's an m4 pro with a one terabyte and oh that is it's probably more expensive as soon as you upgrade that ssd it's immediately astronomical immediately that is a mac mini plus a humane aipen just to get the upgrade storage fair enough fair enough this humane aipen story is wild i also have a special device that i'm going to reveal when we talk about it because well i just i got it off ebay and i'm excited to show it off so stay tuned that's going to be

after the break, but we have to talk about the iPhone 16 E. So many details to tease through. But even before that, we have some exciting five-star reviews. We're still a 4.9-star podcast for some reason. Somebody... Let's go, people. Let's go. We need to get back up to five. Someone left, I guess, a one-star review, but left no review, so we don't know why they're mad. Probably adjacent. Let's be honest. Well,

Let's be clear. Let's be clear. That's obviously the case. But we had two people helping us get back to that five-star rating. Jazzer789 from the USA, where his favorite tech podcast, and fellow trumpet player, what's up? Battery percentage on, though, but Jason won that one. That's all right. Don't forget, because you're a trumpet player. And Ultraman7 from the USA, battery percentage off. Who needs that stress in their life? Thank you, Ultraman. Appreciate it. It's nice that your brother finally left to review. I know.

I'm an only child, but thanks anyway. The brother you didn't know you had. Exactly, my long lost brother. So if you could help us out, let's get more five star ratings and reviews. You get a shout out. Whenever you write in the review, I mean, we basically say it on the show. So you can basically have me say anything. Well, within reason. We should revisit that rule here in a minute. Let's just...

Oh, no, I might have just regretted that. And also, we've been doing old tech. This is a quick segment because people keep sharing old tech pictures in the community and on social media. I love seeing it. Kid B sent a message. This is a 1993 PowerBook. I said MacBook a couple weeks ago when I showed an old picture of a computer, and a bunch of people were like, MacBook? And I tried to correct you, and you're like, no, no, no, it says MacBook. And I'm like, that does not look like a MacBook I've ever seen, but.

As I'm sharing my screen, the text is very small. That's all I'm going to say. But this is a PowerBook Duo 210. Still turns on. Look at that screen. I don't know what that pink splotch is on the right, but it still turns on. I see the box in the background, too, from Apple Computer Inc. That's awesome. That's very cool. So that's a very cool computer. That was Kid B. And then Chris Peck in the community...

he has a bunch of uh old stuff old apple device we have some ipods love it all the way back to the original ipod i think that's amazing also the original apple tv remote and then i thought this picture would float quicker there we go iphones all the way back is that yep that's the original all the way on the left probably or it's a 3g it's hard to tell without looking at the back

Right, right. Well, but then he's got, I think this is the 3G and the 3GS. But that's pretty slick. Maybe, yeah. Do you have an original iPhone? Yeah, it's right back there.

I wish right there. If you're, if you're watching, if you're right there and there's an iPod video and then there's a, and over there where you can't see it is a four S I think. See, I have the four and I have an iPod video, but I never got an original iPhone. You know, I have an original, I posted a picture of it like a week ago. Yeah, you did. You did. And he also, Chris Beck has a power book one 90. Wow. It still turns on.

Just saying. That's that resale value for Apple devices. Top notch. Top notch. I don't know if you... Well, you might actually fetch some money for it today considering how old it is. It depends on whether or not Stephen Hackett already has it in his collection. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And a couple other quick follow-up from previous. We talked about Apple ID migration and someone actually did it

This is Badon on Blue Sky and said he actually merged two Apple IDs, which you can now do, bring your purchases from previous Apple IDs to a new one. He said Apple TV had some issues, but otherwise everything worked. He had to remove all devices from the home app and reconnect that, which could be a little messy. But his Apple Music Library and all that stuff re-synced. So if you wanted to combine Apple IDs, it seems like

Like my work, my work. Yeah. I mean, the whole map thing just seems like a normal Thursday thing. Like it's just, you have to remove them all and reconnect them all. So that probably had nothing to do with the migration, just to be honest. You know, that's one of those burns where I can't even correct it because yeah, that's pretty much. Do we even talk about that migration thing? I can't even remember.

member I believe you but yeah we did we did it after the break because you know I mean do you have a situation where you're actually going to try that no I definitely am not I only have one Apple ID the same one I've been using my whole life I'm not merging anything yeah yeah yes I don't like messing with that I don't like no and final thing before we get to the iPhone 16e apparently severance has now surpassed head lasso to become Apple TV pluses most watched series after the season to launch listen I've been keeping up with it Jason and I'll say I

I get it. I enjoy that show. It's a good show. Okay. I know that we don't have a lot of time for this, but I have two quick thoughts. One, what was Apple TV marketing when Ted Lasso was happening? Nothing. Like, Tim Cook did not appear in an ad for Ted Lasso. They did not set up a thing at Wembley Stadium with all of the Ted Lasso players. They have suddenly realized, we have a streaming service, and if we put some money behind marketing...

I don't know. Maybe. But I feel like the buzz around Ted Lasso, especially season one, I feel like was pretty close to what I'm seeing. I mean, I think Severance has surpassed it, but there were a lot of people talking about it. Yeah, but I don't think it was Apple TV, a standalone app in as many places as it is now. I just think that I don't know that the

that that's a indicator of the difference between the last one severance as much as it's an indicator of the difference between what Apple is doing with Apple TV plus like availability and just it's marketing push and stuff because here's the thing severance.

Not even close to on the same tier as Ted Lasso. Now, wait a minute. It's not even close to the same tier as shrinking. Steven, you know, I'm right. I listen. I love Ted Lasso. I'll watch that dart scene at least once a year, just to cry just because he needs to clean out his eyes just because, but I mean the cinematography, uh,

I mean, it's for some, and people have been saying this on social media for run. For some reason, it is one of those shows that is just engrossing, even though like there's not a lot happening. There's a lot happening. There's nothing happening most of the time. Yes, but it is still engrossing and like, but you, and you are because you are just counting on there being a payoff at some point and that the payoff is not going to be weird, but like, but they pay off at the end of episodes. There is a bit of payoff and it's a big deal. Oh,

All right. I don't know. I'm not convinced. Have you kept up? Have you seen all the shows? I have only five episodes into season one at this point. Oh, forget about it. No, no, no, no. You got to get all the way through one. You got to catch up. Hold on, though. Hold on. You can't be like, the show is amazing. I mean, the first part's a slog. No, it's not a slog. It's not a slog. I'm saying the payoff. First of all, the season one finale is...

is one of the most insane things. Like, it is crazy. I'm going to get there. I got a flight today. I'm going to get there. I got two flights today. I'm going to get there. Okay, well, we'll talk after that. We're going to argue about Severance. Okay, in the community, in your five-star rating and review in Apple Podcasts, Ted Lasso v. Severance. Let us know if you've seen both. But you have to be caught up on Severance. You can't be like Jason and be like, I saw two episodes and, you know, no, no, no, no.

I'm just saying you don't have to have watched all of Ted Lasso to make an opinion about Ted Lasso. But you should only watch season one and then have an opinion. I mean, the other seasons are good. Watch only season one of Ted Lasso and then compare. That's fine. I'm happy to make that the stakes. Yeah, season one was good. They're all good, but season one was top tier. Anyway, we got to talk about the iPhone because Apple actually released a new iPhone this week, the iPhone 16E, and there's so many little details to tease out

about this phone. It takes the place of the iPhone SE, the quote-unquote budget-level device for Apple, although budget, I think, is in the big air quotes because it starts at $600 rather than the SE's $430. And all the upgrades are way more expensive. You know, if you want to upgrade the storage on this new 16E,

I'm going to run down just some interesting specs about the 16E, and then we should talk about it. First of all, the E stands for nothing. That was according to, quoting John Gruber, who talked to Apple Press. They said the E stands for nothing, but we believe it's for everyone. But the E doesn't stand for everyone. It's just E.

I don't know if I can talk about that. It does have a... I think the biggest news is Apple actually made their own modem for this device, the C1 cellular modem. And I think that's going to play a huge role in future phones. Of course, no MM wave, so that really fast 5G, which we can talk about, that is not a part of this phone because the C1 modem does not include that. It has an action button, but no camera control. But you can do visual intelligence, and that visual intelligence will actually be coming to the 15 Pro models

because you'll be able to map it to the action button. There's Qi charging, but no MagSafe.

But there's better battery life than the iPhone 16. There's no home button. That's gone. It's Face ID. No lightning. It's USB-C. It's eSIM only. 60Hz display. No thread or U1 chip. I'm going to come back to that because that might be one of the more egregious things. The SE and iPhone 14 are now discontinued. You can't buy them from Apple anymore. So this is the base iPhone if you buy them new from Apple.

And yeah, I wore my Let Tim Cook shirt today. I'm not sure if he cooked on this one.

I'm not sure. I will say they have a 13-minute or 12-minute, 50-second video, and Apple is taking the bento box design to the next level with their product. Yeah, the people are walking around in bento boxes. They're walking around, and actually the sponsor today is very exciting because there's a big connection to this. But anyway, the bento box is on point for the iPhone 16E in this video, which is cool. But there's just so many weird trade-offs and differences between this iPhone 16E and

I don't know. What did you... As the data came in, Jason, what opinion were you forming as you saw this phone? Well, the most surprising thing for me is the price. It's interesting to me that Apple...

thinks that it no longer needs a low cost, like a sub $500 phone, right? Because they don't sell one now. And I was checking and even in the refurbished store, you can buy an iPhone 14 Pro with 100, it's like 549. It's like...

So it is not a – there's actually 13 pros in there, but they all have a terabyte of storage and they're like $700 or something stupid like that. So it is interesting to me that Apple doesn't think that it needs a – now, maybe this is a phone that T-Mobile is going to always sell for $499. Like maybe that's the strategy. Like let's make it a $600 phone.

But that was the most surprising thing. Now, the most obvious difference is Apple has finally killed off the touch, the home button. There's no device anymore with a home button. My father-in-law is going to be ticked.

Because there's no, there's no iPad. There are no, there's no devices anymore that have a home button because they don't, they don't call the other touch ID buttons, home buttons. Cause they're not at the bottom. And if you think about it, like that has been the single most iconic part of the iPhone over its, its history, because you would see like,

of the iPhone and they always had a circle at the bottom. And that's how you knew it was an iPhone and not some random Samsung knockoff. It was like in the icons of iPhone. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like it was the thing people like, even if you hadn't had a phone with a touch ID or I mean a home button in years, you still knew. Yeah.

Like that was the thing about an iPhone. And so I don't know. The other most surprising thing for me is I was on a, I was on a music video shoot yesterday. Say what? Yeah. I'm not going to go into that. Is this for your rap album that you have yet to announce? I was not the artist. Let me just be clear. I,

I was photographing, photographing. Photographing. You're professional photographing. Yes, that's exactly right. So I was doing that, whatever the verb is. And there was a bunch of teenagers involved in this. And I asked them, hey, did any of you guys hear that Apple introduced a new iPhone today? And they're like, no. What are you talking about? They're like, is it the 17? I'm like, no, it's not the 17. It's called the 16E. And they're like,

what the heck is that? I'm like, well, it replaces the iPhone SE. And they're like, what is it? And the only thing they know, here's the thing. There was like four high school age girls. And the only thing they wanted is the lightning cable back. They would buy it if they had a lightning adapter. But the reason is think about it. Like high school students are an interesting collection of the types of phones that they have. So when they go to friend's house and it's like, I can't charge my phone because of your cord. I can't do this. And it's a weird,

So if I was thinking like Apple, what you should have done, keep the home button, but put lightning back on this. Don't sell it in Europe. But the teenagers, man. No, I don't know. No. Well, the answer would have been MagSafe. But this phone doesn't have MagSafe. But it still charges wirelessly. No, no, no. Okay. We're going to talk about that in a second. I just want to mention.

Having a $400 phone, the Pixel 6a, which is their like affordable phone, is $400. And it does feel like $400 is the line of like, here's our affordable phone. And Apple is not, it doesn't have that line anymore. I mean. In fairness, that phone was on sale, $100. It was on sale. It's actually a $500 phone, but. Oh yeah, fair enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair enough.

Even on, you can like on Amazon get refurbished like iPhone 15 Pros and Pro Maxes though for like the same price as this iPhone 16E. And that is like, I don't know, it doesn't feel great. So the no MagSafe thing, here's the thing. In the Apple Newsroom article and then in the tech specs, it says it has Qi charging, but it just doesn't even mention MagSafe anywhere, which I feel is like, hmm.

I mean, I understand. Even in the video when Kyanne Drance is talking about it, she's like, and it supports wireless charging. Yeah. Like doesn't say anymore. So here's the deal. Wireless charging, regular Qi. So if you're familiar with like Qi, Qi 2, I talk about this a lot on my channel, but that means if you wireless charge, it's only seven and a half watt wireless charging. Even if you don't have the MagSafe magnet for like alignment and accessories, you

you, hopefully, I mean, the 15-watt charging is also the big benefit of MagSafe versus regular Qi charging. So even if you do wireless charging, it's just going to charge way slower than every other iPhone, except the iPhone 8, which also is regular Qi charging. But anyway, so...

It's slower charging. And then also all of the MagSafe accessories. Like, look, I have literally like accessories that I still have to unbox. I have MagSafe accessories everywhere. Apple sells MagSafe accessories. The Apple MagSafe wallet. They used to sell one of the best MagSafe batteries and they stopped that. But MagSafe accessories are everywhere. I feel like to not include MagSafe

is a huge miss. A lot of thoughts or rumors on social media was like, well, maybe the new C1 cellular modem. And they talk about a redesign that made for the bigger battery, which is why it has better battery life than the 16. That maybe that is why they don't have the MagSafe ring. But it's like, listen, you can get a MagSafe case. And people are saying like, well, just get a MagSafe case.

Well, first of all, Apple's not going to make a MagSafe case for this. Like, I don't think they're going to put the MagSafe circle in the 16E cases. And I don't know if third-party makers will either. But you still get the slow charging. It's slow charging either way, even if it aligns it. So I feel like MagSafe, I don't know why, but that bothers me. The no MMWave, whatever, that's fine. 60Hz display, whatever. The no MagSafe and then the no U1 chip. And so the U1 chip...

I don't know if it will be able to do the precision find my with air tag. I don't know if the phone needs to have the U1 chip in addition to the air tag, but you won't be able to precision find your phone

phone or other people like the find my people. So the U one in the phones, like if you open the find my app and you're trying to find another person, like in a crowd, you can actually do precision find my between iPhones and you can actually get the arrow on screen and it'll point you to the other phone with a U one chip. So there's no U one chip and no thread, which I don't know if anybody would even know what that is, but you know, no thread for the smart home stuff. Uh, but I feel like the, the lack of U one chip, the no mag safe, the higher price, uh,

I don't know. It just kind of feels me to me. Maybe not. I mean, but I guess the question is what they have to do something to differentiate it from the 16. It's $200 less than the 16. The one less camera. The camera is a big difference. There's only one. No, that's not enough of a difference. No, that's not enough of a difference between for, for to justify this, what they're trying to get. I mean, it doesn't have any colors, no dynamic Island. It's still a notch. Right. But, but I guess those are not like,

Those are not the types of features, I think, that people who are looking at this phone... Right, that is not really the differentiator. So at some point, you have to have a... Because otherwise, it's... I mean, it has A18. It does have one less...

graphics core than the uh than the 16 does it has the same neural engine it has the same main camera it has the fusion 48 megapixel camera it just doesn't have the ultra wide which i learned is the thing that actually the like my daughter was like i don't want this phone it doesn't have the 0.5 i'm like why do you care about the 0.5 well that's how you take all the funny pictures or whatever like i don't know the funny pictures right but it has the thing that apple thinks is the most important

because it has the a18 this phone does apple intelligence right right and so you just have to think about like how did they come and it actually has better battery life than the 16 right right which is so you just have to think about like how do they make these compromises and i don't know like

that the people who would spend the money on this phone are also people who are like, my life is built around MagSafe because I have the wallet and I have the whatever and I have this thing. I just, I don't know. I just don't know that that's, it feels like this is actually the logical area to pull back. Because the SE, was it the 3? SE 3? It did not have that. Also only had Qi charging. Right. Well, so for me, like my son has an iPhone 13.

And so if I was looking to upgrade his phone, this iPhone 16, he would actually be a viable option. He gets the Apple intelligence, the newest chip, the camera's great does, you know, you can do 4k 120 slow-mo. Uh, no, sorry, not 4k 120. It only does the 10 ADP, uh, 120 for slow-mo, but anyway, it would

It would be a great option for someone like my son to upgrade from the 13 to the 16E, but he does have all these MagSafe accessories, mostly because I hand them down. I get them off for videos, and then I hand them down with MagSafe batteries and chargers and cases. That would be a big part of how he uses his phone. He uses the batteries all the time. He has the 3-in-1 charging on his desk. That would be a miss. I will have to test whether or not a case for the 16E with a MagSafe ring will suffice.

I don't know, but that would just be a myth. And I also don't think

I don't know if a case like that will work because you have to pass the wireless charging from the circle, the ring of the MagSafe of the case to the ring of the MagSafe in the phone. And I don't know how that will work with the cheap. I don't think that's true. I think that the rings that you see are just the alignment and the charging is actually in the middle of it. The charging is in the middle. If you see what a charger looks like, it's a whole bunch of coil. Yeah. Okay. Those are just the alignment magnets. But I think the way to think about this though is,

If you line up the SE3, the 16E, and the 16, you're comparing the 16E to the features of the 16, but that's not what Apple wants you to do. What they want you to do is say, for $150 more, you go from like a 4.7 to a 6.1 inch screen that has 800 nits max brightness, so it's

And 1200 peak. So you get HDR, which you did not have before. Right. You get the A18. You get double the battery life almost or something like that. You get an extra camera because even though it only has one camera housing, they're calling the Fusion camera 201. Right. You get Dolby Vision. You can shoot 4K. You get all of the visual intelligence. You get Apple intelligence. You have the action button. That's the difference.

way that they're comparing it. Anyone who is thinking my kid has the 14 or the 15 and what would I upgrade to? That's not this phone. It's just not for that. And so when you go to the iPhone 16E product page, they have a compare with drop down and the iPhone 13 to 16 is nowhere to be found. If you want to compare battery life, it's to the iPhone 12 or the SE third generation. Well, I mean, the 11's in there. Exactly.

Right, exactly. And they even said something about something that it does computationally is twice as fast or something like that as the iPhone 11. And I'm like, iPhone 11? Apple. My daughter has an iPhone 11 Pro and it's only because it's a hand-me-down. That was my phone five years ago. Right. Now you can also get it in whatever beautiful color you want as long as it's white or black.

I mean, technically, if you put a case on it, that's not MagSafe. It'll be whatever color you want it to be. It'll be whatever. Yeah, so you got two colors. I don't know. Everybody's probably going to put a case on a phone like this. Isn't that actually a reasonable... I mean, I don't think Apple should stop selling phones with colors, but isn't it funny to you that people complain so much about the colors and everyone who cares puts a case on it? But a lot of people do like the clear case for that reason. A lot of people like the clear... I mean, Andrew Clare, YouTube friend of mine...

Whenever he does videos or reels about clear cases, they blow up. It's like people love the clear case because they do want to show off the color.

I always feel like that clear case with the white ring from MagSafe. It's the worst thing. It's the worst. But maybe with the 16E, you can get a clear case without that ring because it doesn't have MagSafe. Maybe that'll, but then there's no color to show off. Show off your white phone. That's great. Yeah. White or black. I do. I will say, and Sebastian DeWitt and the other people on social media were saying the one camera look for the back of the iPhone is still pretty nice. It looks pretty slick. It is. It is pretty nice. Yeah.

Now, I want to talk about the C1 modem. So this is the first time, this is pretty big news actually, the first time Apple is making their own first-party cellular modem, putting it in a phone. I think the obvious course going forward is that Apple will use their own modems in their phones. Whether or not they'll use the C1 in the iPhone 17 this fall remains to be seen. I feel like the loss of MMWave, I feel like not a single voice will be heard.

be crying that time. Well, and it's not available in Europe, right? Right. And it's not even really available on anything except for Verizon. No, no, no. I did a whole video on AT&T. I did a video for Apple Insider. But I don't think it's the same exact thing, is it? Yeah. When I got the iPhone 12, because that was the first time MMWave. I see now I've got to find this video. For Apple Insider, I did a video. I drove to

I remember you went to like a stadium parking lot or something. I went to a TGI Friday's parking lot. It was a TGI Friday's parking lot by Universal Studios Orlando. And I tested the MM wave. Here's the video. I'll link the video in the show notes. This is great. Andrew O'Hara opened up the video for me. But here's me by the side of the road talking about this. Oh my. 5G plus tested.

This is how many years ago? This was 18,000 years ago. This was four years ago. That's amazing. But I did, I did the speed test and look, I mean, I was getting 1300 megabits down on an AT&T puts 5g plus when you're in the ultra wide, but the upload speed was abysmal. I mean, it was like 30, 37. So anyway, but it was, I mean, it's a real thing in like four places in every state.

Okay. So that's, that's the difference. Yeah. Just only puts it in TGI Friday's parking lots. If you want the real 5g everywhere, you got to be on. And if like a box truck passes between your phone and the M and wave radio drops to like five megabits. So, you know, I thought you were gonna say the box truck explodes. Personal flames, spontaneous combustion. That's it. So I don't think anybody really cares about M and wave. So I feel like it'll, it will come to, to the iPhones for sure.

Do you think we'll see the C1 or some variant in the iPhone 17 models this fall? Well, I'm going to answer that in a second. But first of all, when it says MM wave, what does MM stand for? Millimeter. Millimeter wave. Yeah, okay. Most people just say millimeter wave and you just kept saying MM wave. I don't know what it's been. No one talks about it because it's you. I don't even know. I was just, I don't know what to say. Okay, yeah. It's ever since the keynote where the CEO of Verizon showed up and he's like, 5G, 5G, 5G. That was the best super cut ever, to be honest. That was...

That's a good super kid. It's also ultra wideband. People call it ultra wideband. That's what Verizon calls millimeter wave. They call it ultra wideband. It's the ugliest symbol in the status bar. It has like a UW with a 5G. I mostly turn off 5G on my phone unless I'm traveling somewhere where I'm like mostly going to be using my phone to tether for things. But yeah. Well, I mean, why? I'm on Wi-Fi most of the time. Yeah. I mean, I find... Well...

- And I get better battery life. So anyway, okay. Actually I was looking at it 'cause that might've been a lie. Everything I just said. - You keep the 5G on auto. - I'm just trying to figure that out. And there's so many settings now in here. Oh yeah, 5G is on auto. You're right. - It's on auto, yeah, yeah. - Great. So your question though, why would they have to C1 is gonna be, I don't think so. - Okay.

Because Apple has a licensing patent with Qualcomm. And I don't remember when that's over, but Qualcomm is not going to be here. There's been a lot of bad blood back and forth between these two companies over because Qualcomm basically is a monopoly on the technology for cellular modems type things. And Apple, if you remember, bought Intel's

modem business. That's where this came from. They bought it. They paid like a billion dollars in, I think, 2019 to buy Intel's. And the reason was because Intel just decided it wasn't worth it because Qualcomm owns this market. Right. And I believe that the licensing agreement is at least two more years

And so my sense is on existing phones, they're going to stick with Qualcomm. So on the 17 and the 17 Pro. And then this is such a low budget, like a low stakes phone for them. You and I are not buying this, making YouTube videos. I don't make YouTube videos except for this one, literally.

But about how bad the modem is or whatever like that. So in my mind, that's my take. I think it'll be at least two more years before we see an Apple C2 or C3 in one of those. Because this is what we really needed is another chip starting with a new numbering sequence. The M, the C, the H, the U.

There's some I'm forgetting. The A. Oh yeah, the A. The most important one. This is Apple newsroom release from April 2019. And it was basically announcing that Qualcomm and Apple were dropping litigation between them to stop suing each other, but that they reached a six year license agreement effective April 2019.

So that seems like it will be up this April. There's an option to extend, including a two-year option to extend. But I think with this announcement, yeah. So iPhone 17 likely, because it's already in development, like the iPhone 17 is already designed and done. Have you seen the renders? Like Jon Prosser was talking about the iPhone 17. Some of them. Just an update. Qualcomm has said, told investors that

the deal has been extended until at least 2027 oh interesting okay so that's from like yesterday because that was like the question investors are wondering like oh if apple's putting out its own chip how does that affect whatever's going on and so yeah it's yeah i just think it'll be a couple years before we see it and so here my other question then with apple now developing its own cellular modem is it possible that we will

See cellular data connectivity built into Mac books. I mean, if we don't, I'm never buying another one. No, I'm just kidding.

no like this is insane like i ran the poll and i was like okay m4 macbook air what do we what do we think is the most likely and no one thinks cellular is coming to it but i was like please like yeah please there are more people who thought that potentially it would get like oled or something like that i don't even remember but it was just ridiculous it's like that's the thing i think most people want put it in a macbook air you don't have to put it in a macbook

Pro, put it in the MacBook Air. Make some differentiation. And we're not going to rehash everything the ATP guys said, but Casey Liss and all the guys at ATP, Mark Arment, John Serkis, they all want cellular in MacBooks. And everyone who argues will just hotspot to your phone. You don't do that very often.

If that is your defense about not building cellular into MacBooks, just hotspot. Because I've done it. I, for a long time, just bought iPads with Wi-Fi and would hotspot to my phone if I was in a cafe or someplace that didn't have Wi-Fi. And it works like...

Enough where it's annoying when it doesn't. It works like 70% of the time, and then the other 30%, you actually have to go on your iPhone, go to Settings, go to Cellular, go to Hotspot, and hold that screen up so your iPad recognizes it. So it works most of the time, and it's great. But...

I've now in the last two models of iPad pro have cellular built in, like I have it in my M4 iPad pro. And it is so nice to just not even think about it. Like I can just pull out my iPad wherever and I'm connected either cellular or wifi. Don't have to think about it. The cellular is just on. I think it does kill my battery. Like my iPad will not sit there on standby for like more than a day without dying, which is kind of a germ. Uh, but the built-in cellular is a big deal. And for a Mac, like on a MacBook air, uh,

I would probably get a MacBook Air with suck. Like that'd be pretty. Absolutely. I think for all the people who say just tether, which by the way, like tethering is fine. Like, okay, that's great. Sure. But I would say to you from now on, only make wifi calls on your iPhone. Don't use the cellular service. Like don't use it. You only tether to wifi or to someone else's iPhone. If you, anytime you want to make a call or download data or use an app, you should just tether to something else. No, because there's cellular built in. That's like the whole point. So like,

I don't understand this idea that that's the Holy grail of connectivity is tethering to an iPhone that has cellular service. What if the cellular service was just in the Mac? Like this is, this is bananas to me that that's the argument.

I mean, I get it. And like, yes, tethering used to be like this upcharge with a lot of the cell character carriers. And I think now it's included in most data plans. So it is reasonable to tether. And I tether from my MacBook when I need to. But yeah, I would love a built-in cellular. So anyway, that's the iPhone 16E. It is six. I forgot. I forgot the price rate. It's $600. $599. $599. $599. And then the iPhone 16 starts at...

I think $799? Yeah, it's $200 more. $200 more. I will say, you got to give the credit to Apple for getting that pricing tier just Goldilocks right where you want to jump to the next level. I don't know. We have to give them credit, just to be honest. Well, no. I mean...

Tim Cook. He's got the whiteboard with the charts and anyway. I'm curious. I'm going to get one to play around with it and review it. The pre-orders are this Friday, which is the 21st. Tomorrow, if you listen to this one, the day comes out. Then you get it on the 28th. But we'll see. The new 16E. That doesn't stand for anything. The 16E.

Did the SE actually stand for special edition? Did Apple ever say that? Or was that just kind of a... I don't think they ever said that. And that would be weird to make your worst phone your special edition. That would be, yeah, that would be strange. I don't know. I think E stands for... Super economical. Super economical. Apple would not say that. I think 16E stands for egregious that it doesn't have MagSafe. That's what the E stands for. Egregious. That's the thing you're the most upset about is just... Listen, I talk about a lot of MagSafe accessories on my channel. I really like MagSafe.

That's all I'm saying. But I'm not going to get this one, so it doesn't matter.

I mean, as my main phone. So, okay. All right, we have to talk about- He's just going to get it as a paperweight. Thank you. Great segue. We're going to talk about my paperweight here in a second and another paperweight. I'm going to flash it on screen to tease it. Look at that. Oh, we're going to talk about that in a second too, if you're watching. YouTube.com slash I have primary tech show. But before we do, I'm excited because a listener of this show, someone who's in our community and is a developer, sponsored this episode. And listen, if you're a developer or you have something that you want to advertise, like

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where cool well i wouldn't call the humane ipn a cool tech product but where interesting tech products go to die so hp is acquired things things go to die yeah things go to die hp acquired parts of humane the ipn startup for 116 million dollars i don't even know if it's whatever i don't know what they're buying i don't know what parts they're buying cosmos their os who knows but the ipn

is dead. And so an email went out to owners of the AI pin, like me, me and 10 other people got this email and circulated it on social media. Jason has an article here. We could talk about that too. But in the email, it says,

The AI pin. Thank you for your support. Thank you for being an early adopter of AI pin. I'm reading from the email now. We were writing to inform you that effective immediately, we are winding down the consumer AI pin as our business priorities have shifted. And can I just say winding down is the most gracious term. They are like shuttering their doors in a week, as we will get to in a second. Effective immediately, new purchase of the consumer AI pin will be discontinued. And what information did you have about sales of the AI pin? Yeah.

So I asked a couple people that I knew that were familiar with Humane because I was curious about this whole like, well, if you're within your return window, you can still get a refund. And I was curious, like, I wonder how many AI pins that is. And the number I heard completely unofficially was that that was like less than a few dozen. That was like the way it was worded. So I don't know if that's like anywhere from one to, I don't know, 50 or something like that in the last 90 days, which...

I actually don't know whether I should be more surprised that the number is that low or that high. Like...

Because I can equally see no one has bought any of these in the last 20 days. Who's buying them? They had a marketing push when it finally became available, but it's been quiet ever since. Also, I love this line in your article. They say, first and foremost, thank you for being an early adopter and truly grateful to have you had on this journey with us. And you say, what journey? Less than a year. These things shipped, I believe, in March of 2020.

of 2024 yeah it is not even a year and this thing is dead but i'm sorry let me go actually go and actually read it your ai pin will continue to function normally until 12 p.m pacific time on february 28th that's a week basically a week and three days is when this email went out

It will no longer connect to humane servers and dot center access will be fully retired. Device features, your AI pin features will no longer, like including messaging, calling AI queries, they will no longer work. They'll all be shut down. Data access, all your data is going to be deleted by February 28th, 12 p.m. Pacific.

And then basically you won't be able to do anything, anything that uses the internet except, and this is the most hilarious part of this email. Uh, what can you do with your AI pin after February 28th? You can check the battery percentage. You can check the battery percentage because that's the offline feature. So you can, you can start it up, charge your booster back, use the laser ink projector and check your battery percentage. So I, uh,

obviously I bought this thing when it came out. I pre-ordered it on day one because listen, I was excited for AI gadgets, even though I knew they were likely going to fail. And I, it was a $24 a month subscription just to use this. Remember he is the T-Mobile cellular connectivity. And I stopped paying for that several months ago, which then like it already made it a bricked product. Like I can't really use this because if you don't pay for the monthly subscription, you can't access any of the cloud services. So I already stopped paying for it, but to brick AI,

I mean, to purposely brick a device, like even if you were paying that monthly thing, come February 28th, the AI pen is going to be a brick, literally. Even if you paid, like I did, $800 for this device, less than a year after I received it, it is becoming a useless paperweight. That is just a speed run of a terrible product. Amazing. Amazing.

And so, I mean, no one's, everyone's like, we all saw this coming. Like it was not going to last. I even made a video before I got my Humane AI pin talking about how the Rabbit R1 and Humane AI pin, like these are not, once Apple actually integrates these kinds of features into the phone and Google, like there's no place for these things. So like totally get that. But,

Pretty amazing for the hubris of Humane when launching this device, saying it's going to change everything, to less than a year later being like, yeah, it's a brick now. It's just astounding. I don't know.

Yeah, I told you offline, I've never been so mad about something that didn't affect me personally. Because I never bought... I should have... I wish I would have thought about this. And I don't know if people even still do this. I wish I would have gone onto Facebook and marked myself safe from having bought a bricked AI pen, right? Because I didn't buy one. I just have spent the last whatever this has been year making fun of Steven for buying one. But...

I, I, I, there are a lot of ways to fail and this is one of the worst of them because first of all, they're selling this thing for half of what the investors put into it. Like investors put over $230 million into this or selling it for 116, roughly half. And that money will go back to the investors to, to some, and now most of them are going to lose money, right? Just, you're only going to have half the money. So you're, you put a million dollars in, you're getting $500,000 back or whatever. And that's a bummer.

But I'm like, no money should go back to the investors. This money should go to our refunding customers. Because you have said, we failed as a company. We had a terrible idea that only YouTubers wanted to buy to try out. And we couldn't sustain this business model. But we're just going to keep all that money. And then we're going to sell the business off for parts. And sorry, we're making it so your devices don't work. Because at least like...

that iPhone that's back there, I could replace the battery. I could power it up. It wouldn't be able to download new apps, whatever. And it probably wouldn't. I mean, the original iPhone was like 2G, right? Like it doesn't even, it probably wouldn't connect to any cell service at this point, but it's also been 18 years. Understandable. But it would still, anything that's on it would still work, right? Like I could still do, and it would probably still connect to wifi. I mean, so it would still, you'd be able to use Safari, be kind of a weird experience.

But the point is, all of those things would still work. My daughter, I told you, one of them is using an iPhone SE 3, the other one is using an iPhone 11 Pro. Those are both relatively old devices. Yeah. Way older than a humane AI pen, and they still work just as good today. And here's the thing. Apple just discontinued the iPhone SE, but they didn't turn off everyone's device who had one. It is...

It is astounding. And it says a lot about, I'm sorry, like it says a lot about the failure of the leadership of the people involved as opposed to just the business model. And I think what's weird is I don't think this started out, they've been working on this a long time, long before chat GPT came along. This was not originally supposed to have like an AI angle to it. It was just, they were working on a device that would,

free you from having to use your smartphone which turns out nobody cares like everyone nobody smartphone please like right all the like the books palma those are they're all not the nook or what they're what was the one they're they're all novelty devices but there's another one i can't remember what the other recent one was but they're all just like novelty devices people still just want to use their phone right like it was the most it's the most

useful form factor for the things that people do the most. And so just stop trying to invent a category of things that people don't care about and then take all their money and then shut the business down. It is wild. And so I had, I have another device here that I wanted to tease because so HP has now acquired humane and it will just go by the wayside. So that's, that's one hardware device. HP is, and they didn't acquire the hardware device to be honest. That's just ceasing to exist. They basically hired all the people, uh,

And they're going to make them build AI into HP laptops, I guess. Well, the other... Sounds like a winning idea. The other hardware device, but I have much more nostalgia and appreciation for, is this thing, which I just got off on eBay. Wow. The Palm Pre 2. This thing. Please tell me if you had this. I never had that. What year is that from? Like 2003? 2002? 2003.

2001. No, Palm Pre 2. 1984. The Palm Pre 2 was 2010. They were still making that thing after iPhones? Oh my gosh. Well, yes, because there was still like the fight or whatever. So the original Palm Pre came out 2009, two years after the iPhones.

That was the original Palm Pre. This is a Palm Pre 2, which improved things like speed and the keyboard thing. So this was out in 2010. Palm, of course, then was acquired by HP and stuff, but

slider phone full qwerty keyboard underneath the slider this honestly really loved the form factor like look how small and pocketable this is honestly it's about the size of a human ipad no it's not too human no but it's probably about the size of an iphone se fair yeah that

I just, I wanted to get this, I actually wanted to make a video about it because I was curious, like, how does this software, because I always felt like webOS was way ahead of its time. And honestly, like the responsiveness of the touchscreen and how well the web browser works, like it was pretty astounding how good it was. And I had the original Palm Pre on Sprint. I really loved it.

I think I dropped it once and immediately the sliding mechanism was broke. The sliding mechanism was not durable at all. And then I don't think I got another one again. It is connected to my Wi-Fi, by the way. But because I think this only has Wi-Fi G or B, I can't get internet access because my Wi-Fi is like the Wi-Fi 7 AC. Finally, all that speed is coming back to just...

The little internet bits are just circling around that phone, like, furiously trying to get in, and it's like, I don't understand. You're too fast. But see, it's connected to the Wi-Fi, but I'm going to see if I can put a micro SIM card in here or whatever. But anyway, I just wanted to mention this, because what were you going to say? What was the quip you had? I mean, it does a lot more than the Humanae app ever did. That's right. And it's 15 years old, and it still works. It still powers on. It still works. I mean, in fairness...

If it won't connect to Wi-Fi, it won't actually do any more than the Humane AI Pen, except for it will power on. I could take notes. I could take notes. It probably has a camera, right? Oh, it does have a camera. Hold on. Let me launch this camera. Let me see how good this camera is. Let's guess. What is it? 1.2 megapixels? Look at that. Look at that camera. That's immediately more than the Humane AI Pen. Yeah, that's true. Let's see. I'll take the picture.

Oh, the flash was on. Now I'm not blinded. It has a five megapixel camera on that thing. Listen, capacitive home button. So it was a capacitive home button to touch. So you just touch that and you go home. The, the multitasking view that iPhone totally like took from this, like the pre was first, like the palm pre was first. It did it all. And I mean, look at this. I can add my calendar.

I can do my calendar here. Look at this. This is going to be, this is my main phone. I mean, you can't sync anything to the calendar. No, no, no. This is it. I'm using this as my phone. It has a, look, it has YouTube, but it has like, the icon is like YouTube. That's, anyway. This is going to be a journey. That's for sure. This is going to be a journey. I can't wait to make this video. I just got to get, just got to get it connected to the internet. Anyway, the Humane App, in like such a debacle,

but also so i saw rabbit r1 also announced yesterday that they're showing off their large action model again and how it can take action or whatever none of these devices the only here's here's what i will say the one ai device and yes they sponsored a video on my channel but i actually still use it the plod pin which it has one use case records audio and then transcribes it and uses chat gpt to give you a bunch of different summaries that's it got the one use case

I do think there is a future where some of those bespoke single purpose, quote unquote, AI powered devices could be useful in people's workflow.

But to try and make an AI device that does all the things your phone does, but worse, there is no future for these. It's over. Also, I don't think that people want to wear it on their shirt. No. Not in that form factor. I mean, if it's like a Secret Service pin, then you look cool. But you walk around wearing that thing and people are like, eh, not so much. Yeah, not so much. Someone on social media said they saw somebody at Disney wearing one of these the other day. I don't know what they were doing with it. That's horrifying. Anyway.

Goodbye, Humane. Goodbye, Humane AI Pinned. We hardly knew ye. It's amazing how inhumane their failure was. We might have to end the show right now. I don't know if I can go on.

That's good. That's good. You also have no argument. I mean, I'm right. Yeah, no, it's true. All right. We have to talk about, well, I almost left the studio. Don't do that. I'm trying to share my screen. Anyway. You really meant it. Show's over. That's it. A couple of weeks ago, I think it was right after we recorded the last episode or whatever, but there was a brief moment in time where if you had an Apple TV, all of a sudden your Netflix content was a part of the Apple TV app. Like,

Like, you know how all those other apps connect and you can put episodes in your watch list and you're up next and it integrates? For a brief moment in time, it actually was working where your Netflix stuff and Apple TV worked together and then it disappeared. And it's very mysterious. No one knows what happened except for our own Jason Aten. I don't know that. Not that you know that. You're overselling it a tiny bit. A little bit. Okay, so the weird thing about this was

Neither company like made any kind of an announcement. And it felt like if the war between Netflix and Apple over where the content was going to be aggregated was over, someone would have said something like Apple would probably want to make some kind of a big deal at like a Apple TV refresh or some, some kind of something like it. So it just didn't really make any sense. And also it wasn't working on everyone. Like I tried, I went on to multiple Apple TVs at my house.

Didn't get the notification. Didn't see what other people were seeing. So this was not an actual feature update. I even spent time making sure that the Apple TVs were updated to the latest version. There's a lot of potential variables, and I'm like...

Not because I was like, oh, this is the feature I've been waiting for. I barely subscribed to Netflix a couple times a year. So this was not a big deal to me. But I wanted to know because it's like all of these. There's like a lot of articles written, you know, Apple and Netflix clearly reared the hatchet. It's like, do we even know what's going on? And I talked to quite a few people.

And the understanding that I was given, well, so I think Netflix gave a statement to several places, which basically said like, this was a glitch or this was an error. It wasn't meant to happen. Don't get excited. And it is not indicative of any future product stuff. Right. Right.

We don't know for sure if that's the case because that could be a true statement. This thing that happened is not indicative of a future product. Like if the thing was just an accident, it doesn't tell us anything about a future product necessarily. It seems like an odd accident. But what is weird to me is everyone was talking about like, well, how could this even be possible?

if Netflix hadn't built the capability to serve its content. And the understanding that I have from... And I talked to several people about this, is that the way that these services, so like Google TV, Apple TV...

I guess Roku. Yeah. Fire is fire. Is that the four basically? Okay. The way that those things work is that any of the content that, and the apps that is coming through the service literally is sort of available to those, to the operating system, right? Cause the operating system is running at a, at the base level of these devices or whatever. And so, so any of them could do that at any given time. And so the reason that Apple and Netflix are,

That it's not available isn't so much technical as maybe there's like an agreement somewhere. And I pushed and I tried to find out like, so like, what is the contract? Oh, you can't find a contract. Like that's never going to happen. Right. But it sounds like the mistake that was made wasn't on Netflix's part. Like the, somehow the switch got flipped somewhere maybe. And, and, and then it got rolled back. And that's why I,

I would be apprehensive about the idea that this is like an imminent change that's coming. Because it isn't like Netflix built a thing and then an intern somewhere tripped and hit a switch and all of a sudden this happened. I don't think that that's exactly what happened. So I don't, I mean, I wish I could be like more clear and I knew more about what was happening. But I don't write software and I don't understand. I mean, I just know what API stands for. I don't even know what it means. So I'm trying to.

Application programming interface. I'm like 88% sure that that's what it means. Okay.

We're a great tech podcast, by the way. No, no, listen. I don't know anyone else saying that. What does API stand for? I think you're probably right. Application Programming Interface? Is that what you said? That's what I said. That's what you said? Yeah, you got it. You got it. Okay, great. But I don't know what that means, but it's how applications program an interface to each other. So basically, it's strange because that functionality seems to be there, and the fact that it's not active is some purposeful block because of an agreement. Like that is...

appears to be the case that's sort of what it just seems like and it seems like whether that's a like specific contract that says you are forbidden from doing this or if it's uh we don't we'd really like it if you didn't do this because we'd really prefer that everyone be in our app like i don't know like that's not information that i have uh i would i

I would, it sounds though, like maybe most of the, like people jump to a lot of assumptions very quickly. And I just, I'm not sure that we know any more other than this is a really weird thing that happened. Really weird thing that happened. The functionality is probably not coming soon.

I mean, and the crux of it is Netflix wants you to go into their app because that's how they get all the data. And again, I've talked about it before, but there was a Decoder episode where Nilay interviewed one of the Netflix co-CEOs, and he talks about all of the algorithmic

and calculations that go on behind the scenes when you open the app to literally serve you things in real time, basically based on your history, based on what's popular. And so that aggregation can only happen when you open the Netflix app. And that's why they want you to do that because that's how they get that information. And even like how long you hover over a show or movie poster or how long you watch the preview that auto plays at the top, which is super annoying. Anyway, that's just me.

I don't know for sure. And I believe the Netflix co-CEO and they say those types of things. But it actually is confusing to me because I don't know that aggregating your information... They really just want people to make Netflix a destination. They want to be seen as a destination and not as on par as...

you know, Handmaid's Tale and whatever other shows are on all these other streaming services. They want it to be like, I intentionally went into Netflix. Right. Because if you think about it, if you've been watching Stranger Things and so Stranger Things pops up into your continue watching, like that actually helps Netflix. So there must be a lot of benefit to Netflix to like making people go to the Netflix app instead. Yeah. And Nicosia talked about it. Like,

They just calculate all of that and that helps them make their decisions. Even like the way YouTubers will try different thumbnails, like Netflix does the same thing, like multiple thumbnails per movie, per show or whatever. But notably, still no app for Apple Vision Pro. It's been over a year. Still no Netflix app. Apple Vision Pro seems odd. I don't know. It does seem odd. No YouTube app either.

Yeah, although the Juno app, which if you downloaded it when it was available, is still fantastic. It is fantastic, but then for YouTube to like... I mean, YouTube blocked it, right? It works. I don't think you can download it anymore. Right, because you can't download it anymore. But no Netflix app on Apple Vision Pro? I mean, that's something. I guess they don't have content that would show off the immersive nature or 3D nature, but...

I mean, the one good thing about that is because you have to watch Netflix in a browser, it doesn't automatically try to forcibly serve you the 3D version like the Disney Plus app does. Oh, yeah. Every movie you pull up in Disney Plus, it's like, here's the 3D version. I'm like, no, I just want to watch a normal movie. Right, right, right. But you have a headset on. I'll take it off. Don't make me take this off. I will say, when you get to the season two of Severance, the snow episode, the orc bow,

Watch that in Apple Vision Pro. In the environment of Yosemite. In the snow. It's nice. Should I take it on a plane today? Yeah, finally. Yes. Yes, do that. See, I would do that, but only because my 16-year-old daughter will be there and it would be mortifying to her. Whatever the motivation needs to be, Jason. Do that.

Bring it with you. 100%. We'll see. You should do it. Let's do a little quick personal tech, and then we have to get to our bonus episode where Jason's car apparently broke down again. Anyway, he sent me that picture. Talk to me. You are using the analog system. Tell me about that. I mean, we're a personal tech podcast. No, we're a tech podcast. That's right. We talk about personal tech, and sometimes personal tech can be low tech. Oh, absolutely. I feel like I just started reading a sponsor read. This is not a sponsor read.

Not at all. No, here's the thing. So just to be clear, I reached out to Ugmonk and I asked them, hey, I would love, I hear a lot of great things about your analog system. And I have written many times about how my favorite technology is just paper and pen. Like I take notes with paper and pen. I make to-do lists with paper and pen. I have a notebook that I keep track of things in.

And I've seen so many people like swear by the Ugg monk analog system. And I'm like, I should try it out. So just to be clear, they aren't sponsoring this, but they did send me a set to, to use, to review. That's pretty common stuff. So I have, I've been using it. And yesterday they released their steel, uh,

And so I have both that and I have the original one. Unfortunately, sitting here in front of me, I only have the metal one, the steel one. I went to take a picture yesterday, so it's actually sitting over there on the table behind me. I really like it. I can't. I have not formed my thoughts enough to figure out why I really like it. But Steven, you're more of like a to do app kind of guy, right? I try to use zero paper.

Really? I don't. Because it just takes clutter. You don't think better with paper? I guess I can't say for sure because I don't ever use it. I just am fine thinking exactly like I am. Because for me, what ends up happening is paper...

is a good way for me to be thinking about what I'm going to do as I'm writing. Like the act of writing forces me to process things differently than typing. And so what I typically do is I use the app called things and throughout my day as it's like, I need to do this thing. I use the keyboard shortcut. I think we talked about this maybe last week. Like I use the keyboard shortcut, add things to the inbox on today or on things.

Then I go through that and I figure out what is it I actually need to do. And for a long time, I would be making that list in my little, I've got like a, I think it's called Leuchtturm. I can't, it's one of those journals with a word you can't actually say out loud. It's unpronounceable.

L-E-U-C-T-A. Anyway, it's great. I love it. The killer feature for it is the pages have dots on them and so you can use it as like lines or whatever. But instead of doing it in that journal now, I'm just doing them on piece of paper. So like today, all I have to do is record primary tech, go to Austin and take care of the dog. Actually, not in that order because I have to do the dog stuff before I go to Austin. Right.

And then as I'm done, we're like almost done with primary tech. So I can just like mark off half of that little circle. And then when I'm done, I'll just cross the whole thing off. Sorry, show's over. And the way it works is you just keep it sitting on your little thing throughout the whole day. And then they have a second type of card called next.

So if through the day I'm thinking of here's the thing I should work on, I pull out my next card and I make a list of things. Now, just to be clear, I'm probably going to still keep doing that in things. And the only reason for that is it turns out that most of the things I feel like I need to remember to do happen when I'm not sitting at my desk. Right. And I don't carry the next pages around with me. However...

I'm going to Austin for five days and I am taking some of these today cards with me so I can make my list. Yeah. So these are the today, next and someday. Honestly, the first thing that I just had a reaction to is seeing that someday card. I'm actually really attracted to that idea of writing down the some days. Cause I have some things that live in things in my someday, but I never, ever look at it. And so I do wonder if maybe having a physical someday card is,

I don't know, would be a different feeling. I love this little bubble thing, the complete, in progress, the delegated. And you can use them however you want. Yeah. Right? Like you can do it. They also have three little dots up at the top and they give you like instructions that are basically like,

Use that however you want. Like, you know, create your own little code that makes sense to your brain. Right. How you want to do that. And I really like that. Like, it's a very flexible system. They basically just explain it. Like, today cards are for this. Next cards are for this. Someday cards are for... I mean, it's pretty obvious. And then they tell you, like, organize your cards by...

You can create little different patterns so that you can keep things organized and stuff. So I just like it, but I'm a paper and pencil person. I'm a paper and pen most of the time. So it's super attractive to me. And I just... It's very low tech, but I really, really like...

I'm using it. The only thing that I haven't figured out a great system for is I tend to like being able to sort of look back at my previous lists. So that's why having them in a notebook was nice. I don't know if I would love just saving a stack of cards, so I'm not sure. I gotta work that part out. But I gotta be honest,

super like some of the nicest like that's cool wood stuff in the steel one is great too i'm not going to get up right now because i'm connected by wires uh but it's great i mean you saw the pictures yeah it's much it's like much more low profile right because it's like the steel like making the little case instead of the wood but i it's great so oh wait a minute what

Something just happened? No, but it's sitting right here. I don't understand why I said it was somewhere else. Apparently I went and got it at some point. I seriously look behind me because I'm like, is there someone else in here? How did this get here? No, it's super just right here. This is the steel one. And so you just put your card right there in the front, right there, and it just sits right there. I'm always attracted to the idea of using these kinds of things.

Like, you know, I've bought the Moleskine notebooks. I've bought like field notes, notebooks. And I always like want to use them. Like I want to want to like them. I just, I can never integrate them into my workflow. But I didn't realize Ugmonk also is like, again, they have not sponsored. I've never talked to Ugmonk. But they've, the whole like this. Yeah, they do a lot of great stuff. They have a whole disc collection. This reminds me very much of like Grovemade, which I love Grovemade stuff. Psst.

similar but I honestly would say that on the whole the Ugmonk stuff is a slightly more premium version of Grovemade and that's not saying anything negative about Grovemade right because I like their stuff too this is the journal that I use and this is the word that I can't say I think I have the notebook here is it lectern sure however you want to say that yeah that's it I'll put a link to the but I just I just use it and I'll use the same thing when I'm like doing briefings this is where I take notes for that kind of stuff

And then what I'll do is I'll transfer them to like Apple notes for stuff that I'm processing my thoughts. So do you do, do you, do you have the weekly kit? This weekly kit for what? I don't know. Apparently has something called a weekly kit. It has like the cards that the week. No, I don't have that. I did not ask for that. So, Oh man, I am. I'm tempted. This is getting so expensive for Steven. I'm sorry. Well, no, no. Cause I mean, if you just want like the cards and the wood block,

which is like what I would get. It's like... And you can get like a subscription. Basically, it's like a three-month... You get one pack per month or something like that. There's like 30 cards in a pack or something. But it's all very well made. It feels very... And this is ridiculous, to be honest. But...

There is something about when you sit down to think about stuff and to work on creative stuff, having nice quality. Like this is really nice paper, right? Like it's, these are really nice cards. And so you feel like you're doing something also totally just realized there's actually dots on the back of this. So you could, it's perfect for like doodling ideas and stuff on. So, well, maybe I'll finally take the humane AI pin off my desk and replace it with the, the,

That's great. You should start a kid. That's really cool. I'll put a link to it. We don't have any affiliate link or anything if you want to try it. And I'm going to write a review of the whole thing. And so we will include that at some point in the future when I, when I do that. And I love to hear on community or via social, like who and how many use like that physical tangible thing. Cause I'm always, you know, I also have like the cortex yearly theme journal. Like I literally have one of those journals.

I think I wrote a theme in it one year and then never anything else. I just struggled to like, I want everything digital because it's searchable. It's available everywhere, computer, iPhone. And so I struggled to know how a physical thing will fit in the, into my thing, but this looks really cool. We'll see. That's fun.

Anyway, I want to know why Tesla Jason's Tesla is broken. And so anyway, we're going to go record a bonus episode about that. But again, you can leave us a five star rating and review. Leave a bento craft, a five star rating review in the app store. All those links are down in the description in the episode show notes. You can, of course, watch us YouTube dot com slash at primary tech show. If you want to see my palm pre to that, I was showing off on camera back. This is disgusting. I don't know what the previous owner did to it. Thank you.

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