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BONUS: Chris Hayes interviews Andrew Weissmann & Mary McCord

2023/9/27
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Prosecuting Donald Trump
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Chris Hayes: 通过偷铜线者与欠款开发商的对比，指出美国法律体系中存在的贫富差距导致的双重标准：穷人面临刑事指控，富人则面临民事诉讼。并以此引出对特朗普的起诉，质疑其是否会受到与普通民众相同的法律待遇。 Andrew Weissmann: 认为海耶斯的思想实验很好地结合了两个播客的主题，并提出了两个问题：一是大范围的犯罪定义和原因；二是不同社会群体受刑事和民事法律影响的不同。指出对特朗普的指控非常严重，如果其他人犯下类似罪行，一定会受到严惩。并以安然案为例说明了法律体系中资源分配不均的问题，以及这可能会导致对不同被告的不公平待遇。 Mary McCord: 虽然富人也有面临刑事指控的例子，但法律体系确实对富人和穷人有所不同。富人拥有更多资源，可以聘请高价律师，从而影响案件的走向，甚至避免起诉。而穷人则缺乏资源，只能依靠公共辩护律师，这使得他们从一开始就处于劣势。认为司法部官员努力遵守法治原则，保持独立性，不受总统或国会的干预。但特朗普试图颠覆这一原则，暴露了权力和财富对法律的影响。

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The discussion explores the perception of a two-tiered criminal justice system in America, focusing on the differences in how the wealthy and the poor are treated.

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Andrew Weissmann and Mary McCord join MSNBC host Chris Hayes for the first stop on his “Why Is This Happening?” podcast tour at the Texas Tribune Festival in Austin. They dig into the latest on the cases against Donald Trump, including their predictions about whether the ex-president will be convicted of any crimes before Election Day 2024.