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It Might Be Possible to Detect Gravitons After All

2025/3/27
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@Susan Vallett : 本期节目讨论了一项新的实验方案,该方案表明探测引力子可能比之前认为的更容易。虽然探测引力子仍然是一项极具挑战性的任务,但该方案为我们提供了一种新的途径。该方案结合了对时空涟漪(引力波)的现代理解和量子技术的发展,提出了一种探测引力子(或与引力子密切相关的量子事件)的新方法。即使实验成功,对结果的解释也并非易事,因为存在多种解释,不一定直接指向引力子的存在。探测引力子的过程与历史上对光量子化的探测过程类似,都经历了漫长的过程,这说明证明引力量子化也会面临挑战。 探测引力子之所以困难,是因为引力非常弱,需要巨大的质量才能显著扭曲时空并产生明显的引力吸引。而电磁力比引力强得多,更容易被探测到。研究力的一个方法是扰动物体,然后观察由此产生的向外传播的涟漪,例如扰动带电粒子会产生光波,扰动大质量物体则会发出引力波。探测单个引力子比探测引力波更难,就像在海浪中注意到单个分子的影响一样。 LIGO的成功探测引力波和量子技术的进步使得探测引力子变得相对容易一些。物理学家Freeman Dyson曾计算过,在一个地球大小的探测器中,在太阳50亿年的寿命中,可能只会观测到太阳发出的引力子对原子产生的影响四次。但LIGO的成功探测引力波以及量子技术的进步,使得探测引力子变得相对容易一些。 @Igor Pekovsky 及其合作者提出了一种利用超流氦来探测引力波的新方法。在《自然通讯》杂志上发表的论文中,他们提出了一种新的探测引力子的实验方案,该方案建议冷却一块15公斤重的铍棒到接近绝对零度,使其处于最低能量基态,然后等待来自深空的引力波与其相互作用。虽然单个引力子与铍棒相互作用的概率很低,但引力波包含大量引力子,因此至少一次相互作用的总概率很高。该实验将提供我们对量子引力起作用的第一个窗口,让我们能够深入研究并提出有趣的问题。该实验的主要挑战在于将一个重物置于基态并感知其跃迁到下一个最低能量态。 @Matteo Fadel : 新的探测引力子的实验方案看起来可行,并且在几年的研究中可以实现。 Igor Pekovsky: 该实验将提供我们对量子引力起作用的第一个窗口,让我们能够深入研究并提出有趣的问题。半经典理论存在一些问题,例如不守恒能量。如果我想要开始看到量子特性的迹象,我的首要目标不是排除这些病态的东西。 @Frank Wilczek : 如果Pekovsky的实验成功,它将把引力子的证据提升到与1905年光子的证据相同水平。 @Daniel Carney : 我们对发现这种探测引力子的新方法感到非常兴奋。 @Nicholas Rodd : 对引力子探测的假设需要进行100%的快速修正,这是一个纯粹的科学时刻。 @Alex Sushkov : Pekovsky的实验方案很有趣,它可以激励更多的实验物理学家从事量子引力研究。我们需要突破,需要聪明的人才朝这个方向努力。 @Myung-Chik Kim : Pekovsky的实验方案是一个起点,它可以激励后续的实验,从而使物理学家更深入地研究量子引力。

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The prevailing belief is that detecting gravitons is nearly impossible due to their extremely weak interaction. However, a new proposal suggests a feasible experiment using existing technology, potentially revolutionizing our understanding of gravity as a quantum force.
  • Conventional wisdom deemed graviton detection impossible due to its weakness.
  • A new proposal suggests a lab-scale experiment to detect gravitons or related quantum events.
  • Successful detection would confirm gravity's quantum nature, aligning with the behavior of other fundamental forces.

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Welcome to the Quantascience Podcast. Each episode we bring you stories about developments in science and mathematics. I'm Susan Vallett. A new experimental proposal suggests detecting a particle of gravity is far easier than anyone imagined. Now physicists are debating what it would really prove. That's next.

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Detecting a graviton, the hypothetical particle thought to carry the force of gravity, is the ultimate physics experiment. But conventional wisdom says it can't be done. According to one famous estimate, an Earth-sized apparatus orbiting the Sun might pick up one graviton every billion years.

Another calculation has suggested that to snag one in a decade, you'd have to park a Jupiter-sized machine next to a neutron star. In short, it's not going to happen.

A new proposal overturns the conventional wisdom. Blending a modern understanding of ripples in spacetime, known as gravitational waves, with developments in quantum technology, a group of physicists has devised a new way of detecting a graviton, or at least a quantum event closely associated with a graviton. The experiment would still be a Herculean undertaking, but it could fit into the space of a modest laboratory and the span of a career.

Matteo Fadel is an experimentalist at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, who wasn't involved in the proposal. It doesn't look too crazy, so it's something that can be reached in a few years' research. Currently, Albert Einstein's general theory of relativity attributes gravity to smooth curves in the space-time fabric.

but a conclusive graviton detection would prove that gravity comes in the form of quantum particles, just like electromagnetism and other fundamental forces. Most physicists believe that gravity does have a quantum side, and they've spent the better part of a century striving to determine its quantum rules. Nabbing a graviton would confirm that they're on the right track.

But even if the experiment is relatively straightforward, the interpretation of what, exactly, a detection would prove is not. The simplest explanation of a positive result would be the existence of gravitons, but physicists have already found ways to interpret such a result without reference to gravitons at all. The discussion recalls a messy, largely forgotten episode from the dawn of the quantum era.

In 1905, Einstein interpreted experimental data to mean that light is quantized, coming in discrete particles now called photons. Others, including Niels Bohr and Max Planck, thought that the classical wave nature of light might still be saved. It would take seven decades for physicists to undeniably establish that light is quantized, largely because of the subtle nature of quantumness.

Most physicists presume that everything in the world is quantized, including gravity. Proving that assumption will entail a new war, one that has only just begun. It's hard to experimentally probe gravity because the force is extremely weak. You need huge masses to significantly warp spacetime and generate obvious gravitational attraction.

By way of comparison, a credit card-sized magnet will stick to your fridge. Electromagnetism is not a subtle force.

One way to study these forces is to disturb an object, then observe the ripples that travel outward as a consequence. Shake a charged particle and it will create waves of light. Disturb a massive object and it will emit gravitational waves. We pick up light waves with our eyeballs, but gravitational waves are another matter.

It took decades of effort and the construction of the colossal, miles-long detectors that make up the Laser Interferometer Gravitational Wave Observatory, or LIGO, to first sense a rumble in spacetime in 2015. That rumble was one sent out by a collision between distant black holes. Detecting a single graviton would be harder still, akin to noticing the effect of just one molecule in an ocean wave.

How hard would it be? In a lecture in 2012, the eminent physicist Freeman Dyson considered gravitational waves from the Sun, where the violent churning of matter inside the star should constantly send out mild tremors in spacetime. Occasionally, one of the gravitons in these ripples would strike an atom in a detector and kick an electron into a higher energy level.

Dyson calculated that in a detector as large as Earth, running for the 5 billion year lifetime of the Sun, such an effect might be seen just four times.

In the dozen years since Dyson's remarks, two experimental developments have made the situation less dire. First, LIGO began detecting gravitational waves regularly from black hole collisions and occasionally from colliding neutron stars. These events shake spacetime far more intensely than the sun's internal agitation does, providing a deluge of gravitons as opposed to Dyson's trickle.

And second, experimentalists have grown more capable of eliciting and measuring quantum phenomena. Igor Pekovsky is a theoretical physicist now at the Stevens Institute of Technology in New Jersey. He's been mulling over these developments since 2016.

At the time, he and three collaborators noted that a vat of superfluid helium, which displays quantum properties despite having a large mass, could be set up to reverberate in response to certain gravitational waves.

It would take another conceptual leap to go from a gravitational wave detector to a detector for individual gravitons. In the recent paper, which appeared in Nature Communications in August of 2024, Pekovsky and his co-authors outlined how the graviton detector would work.

First, take a 15 kilogram bar of beryllium or some other material and cool it almost all the way to absolute zero, the minimum possible temperature. Sapped of all heat, the bar will sit in its minimum energy ground state. All the atoms of the bar will act together as one quantum system, akin to one hulking atom. Then, wait until a gravitational wave from deep space passes by.

The odds that any particular graviton will interact with the beryllium bar are low, but the wave will contain so many gravitons that the overall odds of at least one interaction are high.

The group calculated that approximately one in three gravitational waves of the right sort would make the bar ring with one quantum unit of energy. If your bar reverberates in concert with a gravitational wave confirmed by LIGO, you will have witnessed a quantized event caused by gravity. Here's theoretical physicist Igor Pekovsky. Most interestingly, I think it would be our first window into where quantum gravity matters.

Like it matters there, and so we would be able to zoom in and ask interesting questions. Among a handful of engineering hurdles involved in opening that window, the highest would be putting a heavy object into its ground state and sensing it jumping to its next lowest energy state. One of the groups pushing the state of the art on this front is the ETH Zurich, where Fadel and his collaborators cool tiny sapphire crystals until they display quantum properties.

In 2023, the team succeeded in putting a crystal into two states simultaneously, another hallmark of a quantum system. Its mass was 16 millionths of a gram, heavy for a quantum object, but still half a billion times lighter than Pekovsky's bar. Nevertheless, Fidel considers the proposal to be achievable.

Pekowski's experiment, like Dyson's, emulates the very experiment that prompted Einstein to propose in 1905 that light is quantized, a watershed moment in the history of quantum mechanics. Frank Wilczek, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist at MIT, says if carried through, it would bring the state of the art in the case for gravitons to the same level that it was for photons in 1905.

Textbooks often credit Einstein's paper with establishing the photon's existence, but the real story is far more interesting. At the time, many physicists rejected Einstein's theory. Some wouldn't come around for two decades. In their view, the experiment fell far short of conclusive proof. It was, rather, an opening argument in a decades-long war fought to determine the true nature of light.

Physicists saw the first cracks opening up in their classical understanding of reality in the closing years of the 19th century. J.J. Thomson discovered that electric currents come in discrete chunks of charge called electrons. Meanwhile, physicists were puzzling over a string of experiments by Heinrich Hertz and others that used light to make a current flow, a phenomenon that came to be called the photoelectric effect.

The puzzle was that when they directed dim beams of light at a metal plate, sometimes an electric current flowed across the plate, and sometimes it didn't. In the pre-quantum world, this was hard to explain. It was believed that any wave should create at least a small current, and brighter waves should create larger currents. Instead, physicists found that there was a special color of light, a frequency, that got a current to flow.

Only waves of that frequency or higher could start a current. Brightness had little to do with it. Einstein proposed a solution in 1905. A wave of light is made of many discrete units called quanta, each with energy related to the wave's frequency. The higher the frequency of the wave, the more energetic its quanta, and the brighter the wave, the more quanta there are.

If you try to start an electric current in a metal plate with low-frequency red light, you will be no more successful than if you tried to knock over a refrigerator with ping pong balls. No number would suffice. But using higher-frequency blue light is like switching to boulders. Each of those units has enough oomph to excite an electron, even in dim light with very few of them.

Einstein's theory was met with skepticism. Physicists felt fiercely protective of James Clerk Maxwell's then 40-year-old theory of light as an electromagnetic wave. They had seen light refracting, diffracting, and doing all the things waves do. How in the world could it be made up of particles?

Even after Einstein won the 1921 Nobel Prize in Physics for his theory of the photoelectric effect, debate continued among physicists. The effect suggested that something is quantized, otherwise there wouldn't be a minimum threshold required to get electrons flowing. But some physicists, including Niels Bohr, who is considered to be one of the founders of quantum theory, continued to explore the possibility that only the matter was quantized, not the light.

Today, this type of theory is called semi-classical because it describes a classical field interacting with quantized matter. To see how a semi-classical theory can explain the photoelectric effect, imagine a kid on a swing.

They're kind of like an electron in a metal. They have a ground state, not swinging, and an excited state, swinging. A classical wave is like giving the kid a series of pushes. If the pushes come at some random frequency, nothing happens. The kid might bounce around a little, but they will basically stay in their ground state.

It's only when you push with just the right frequency, the swing's resonance frequency, that the kid accumulates energy and starts swinging. Electrons in a metal are a little different. They resonate with a whole continuous band of frequencies instead of just the one. But the upshot is the same. Any wave below that frequency band does nothing, whereas any wave in that frequency band excites electrons and makes a current flow.

Einstein was eventually vindicated, but not on the strength of the photoelectric effect alone. Later experiments that collided electrons and photons like projectiles found that momentum also came in chunks. This research eventually ruled out the main alternative, a semi-classical theory of light and matter from Bohr and his collaborators.

In 1925, seeing the data, Bohr agreed to give our revolutionary efforts as honorable a funeral as possible, and welcome light into the quantum fold. Light, quanta, became known as photons. Few doubted the photon after 1925, but physicists are nothing if not thorough. Just because no one could think of a viable semi-classical theory didn't mean that one didn't exist.

The final proof that photons are real came in the late 1970s, when quantum optics researchers showed that light arrived at a detector in a pattern no semi-classical theory could mimic. The experiments were akin to firing a photon gun once per second and confirming that the detector clicked once per second in response. The photon wars ended with a whimper.

In August of 2023, Daniel Carney, a physicist at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and his collaborators, fired the first shot in a new war. It started when Carney's colleague, Nicholas Rodd, had an insight similar to Pekovsky's about a possible way to detect a graviton. And we got super pumped. I mean, like, we were like, oh my God, like, this is it. No.

Kearney and his collaborators dug into the literature, and they uncovered the messy history of the photon, and the lengths to which quantum optics researchers had gone in the 1970s to close the final loopholes. They translated those more stringent tests into gravitational context, and found that Dyson had been right.

Really proving quantumness by detecting lone gravitons one after another, as opposed to plucking one out of a tsunami in the style of Pekovsky's proposal, would indeed take planetary-style machinery. Here's Cardi. It was kind of a very pure science moment because it was crazy to have to revise your hypothesis by 100% really fast.

But it was so cool because it was like, "Oh my god, I feel like I really understood something deep about nature from this process." Now, graviton chasers find themselves in a peculiar position. On the main facts, everyone is in agreement. First, detecting a quantum event sparked by a gravitational wave is, surprisingly, possible. And second, doing so would not explicitly prove that the gravitational wave is quantized.

Carney and two co-authors actually analyzed this type of experiment in Physical Review D in February of 2024. Can I make a classical gravitational wave that will produce the same signal? The answer is yeah. How much physicists feel they would learn from the experiment varies. To some, it would strongly suggest that gravity is a quantum force because the alternative, a semi-classical theory of gravity and matter, is disfavored on other grounds.

Such theories violate the conservation of energy, for instance. If the beryllium bar gains one quantum of energy, then energy conservation requires that the gravitational wave must have lost one quantum of energy, and therefore it must be quantized too. Semiclassical theories save gravity's classicality by sacrificing this revered principle. Here's theoretical physicist Igor Pekovsky. So one issue with these models is they're very pathological.

So you can write them down, but they don't follow from like normal classical physics. They're weird. They don't conserve energy. You know, at a deep down level, we don't know. Maybe that's how nature works. And that's certainly interesting to test.

But it wouldn't be my first goal. Like if I want to just start to see signatures of quantumness, it's not my first goal to maybe rule out these pathological things. But to physicists like Harney, a mere strong suggestion that gravity is quantized isn't all that informative. He says we already have an abundance of strong suggestions that all of reality is quantized. What's needed is proof.

such as experiments that would close the remaining loopholes, no matter how bizarre they might seem. We're so biased that everything is quantum, so you should really be doing more like a lawyerly thing, like, well, what if this other thing? While Pekovsky's proposal is not a loophole-closing experiment, many physicists would still like to see it happen. It would mark the dawn of an era of experimental quantum gravity, which until recently seemed quite far off.

Alex Sushkov is an experimental physicist at Boston University. He calls it an exciting paper. And it's certainly interesting. It's great that it's kind of giving extra motivation to experimentalists in this field. I like this paper and I'm very positive towards it because it gives motivation to students, postdocs, to go look into this because we need that, right? These are hard experiments. We need breakthroughs.

bright, smart people to move in this direction. Or in the words of Myung-Chik Kim, a physicist at Imperial College London, it's a starting point. It might motivate subsequent experiments that would take physicists deeper into the quantum gravity era, just as scattering experiments once took them deeper into the era of the photon. Physicists now know that quantum mechanics is much more than quantization.

Quantum systems can take on combinations of states known as superpositions, for instance, and their parts can become entangled in such a way that measuring one reveals information about the other. Experiments establishing that gravity exhibits these phenomena would provide stronger evidence for quantum gravity, and researchers are already exploring what it would take to carry them out.

None of these tests of gravity's quantum side are completely ironclad, but each would contribute some hard data regarding the finest features of the universe's weakest force. Now, a frigid quantum bar of beryllium appears to be a prime candidate for an experiment that will mark the first step down that long and winding road.

Arlene Santana helped with this episode. I'm Susan Vallett. For more on this story, read Charlie Wood's full article, It Might Be Possible to Detect Gravitons After All, on our website, quantumagazine.org. Make sure to tell your friends about the Quanta Science Podcast and give us a positive review or follow where you listen. It helps people find this podcast.