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A Flock of Two

2025/5/30
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Pat Walters: 我采访了 Jim Eggers,他养了一只名叫 Sadie 的非洲灰鹦鹉,这只鹦鹉帮助他控制情绪。我试图找到其他人来证实 Sadie 的行为,但没有成功。 Jim Eggers: 我患有双相情感障碍,容易情绪失控。Sadie 通过模仿我的话语来帮助我冷静下来。当我开始感到愤怒时,Sadie 会说“冷静下来,你会没事的”,这让我停下来思考,从而避免了更糟糕的情况发生。我不在乎别人是否相信,我知道 Sadie 在帮助我。 Irene Pepperberg: 我是研究非洲灰鹦鹉的专家。鹦鹉可以通过联想来学习,并理解某些词语与特定结果之间的关系。Sadie 可能不完全理解“冷静下来”的含义,但她知道说这些话可以帮助 Jim 平静下来。鹦鹉是群居动物,会互相照顾,Sadie 可能将 Jim 视为她的同伴,并试图帮助他。

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Animals rescue people all the time, but not like this. In this episode, first aired more than a decade ago, Jim Eggers is a 44-year-old man who suffers from a problem that not only puts his life at risk—it jeopardizes the safety of everybody around him. But with the help of Sadie, his pet African Grey Parrot, Jim found an unlikely way to manage his anger. African Grey Parrot expert Irene Pepperberg helps us understand how this could work, and shares some insights from her work with a parrot named Alex.

And one quick note from our producer Pat Walters: Jim considers Sadie to be a “service animal,” a designation under the Americans with Disabilities Act that protects the rights of individuals with disabilities to bring certain animals into public places. The term service animal sometimes is legally limited to include only dogs and miniature horses. Jim disagrees with those limitations, but the local bus company, regardless of definitions, said they’ll make an exception for Sadie.