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Sex, Ducks and the Founding Feud

2025/6/27
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Latif Nasser: 自我成为美国公民以来，我注意到联邦政府和州政府之间一直存在权力争夺。无论涉及移民、气候变化还是人工智能监管，似乎总是在争论谁说了算。这种争论虽然重要，但有时会让人感到厌倦。今天我想分享一个故事，它以一种有趣且略带丑闻的方式，引出了关于联邦和州权力的问题。 Kelsey Padgett: 故事从卡罗琳·邦德的案件展开，她因发现丈夫与好友有染而试图投毒报复。联邦政府以违反国际化学武器条约起诉她，引发了关于联邦权力是否过度扩张的争议。历史学家约瑟夫·J·埃利斯指出，美国建国之初，开国元勋们在联邦和州政府的权力分配上存在严重分歧，最终达成的宪法实际上是一个妥协的框架，允许各方继续争论。这种争论一直延续至今，体现在现代政治中关于州权和政府规模的辩论上。1919年密苏里州猎鸭案也体现了联邦政府与州政府的权力冲突，联邦政府通过与加拿大签订条约来限制各州的狩猎权。卡罗琳·邦德的案件正是基于这个先例，联邦政府认为他们可以起诉卡罗琳·邦德，因为霍姆斯说条约是国家的最高法律。 Joseph J. Ellis: 美国建国之初，开国元勋们在联邦和州政府的权力分配上存在严重分歧。汉密尔顿主张建立一个强大有力的联邦政府，而杰斐逊则认为政府应该保持小规模和限制，所有国内政策应由各州掌握。最终达成的宪法实际上是一个妥协的框架，允许各方继续争论。这种争论一直延续至今，体现在现代政治中关于州权和政府规模的辩论上。 Nick Rosenkranz: 联邦政府的权力不应是无限的，各州应该保留一定的自主权，以便进行创新和实验。如果联邦政府提出一个一刀切的全国解决方案，那么实验就结束了。 John Bellinger: 联邦政府不太可能滥用条约权力干涉各州的事务，而且自密苏里州诉荷兰案以来，一百年来也没有发生过这种情况。如果堪萨斯州可以随时退出，其他国家为什么要与我们签订条约？我们如何应对全球变暖这样的问题？ Duck and Hollis: 我们生活在一个全球化的世界，越来越多的事情不能仅在当地或当地社会范围内进行监管。既然世界如此互联互通，为什么我们不能拥有相同的法律？世界上仍然存在一些地方性的事物，联邦政府不需要干预。 Jadavum Rod: 法院裁定卡罗琳没有违反《化学武器公约》，但法院没有回答联邦政府是否可以使用条约来制定通常属于州管辖范围内的犯罪法律。我们可以继续争论这个问题一百年。 Robert Krowich: 这起案件完全是宾夕法尼亚州的犯罪，与联邦政府无关。 Lulu Miller: 过去六个月我们非常忙碌，尝试了各种新事物。

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The story begins with Carol Bond's revenge on her husband's lover, which involves toxic chemicals and a federal court case. This case questions the extent of the federal government's power in relation to local crimes and international treaties.
  • Carol Bond poisoned her husband's lover
  • The federal government charged Bond with violating the International Chemical Weapons Treaty
  • The case raises questions about the balance of power between federal and state governments

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Jilted lovers and disrupted duck hunts provide a very odd look into the soul of the US Constitution.

What does a betrayed lover’s revenge have to do with an international chemical weapons treaty? More than you’d think. From poison and duck hunts to our feuding fathers, we step into a very odd tug of war between local and federal law.

When Carol Anne Bond found out her husband had impregnated her best friend, she took revenge. Carol's particular flavor of revenge led to a US Supreme Court case that puts into question a part of the US treaty power. 

Producer Kelsey Padgett drags Jad and Robert into Carol's poisonous web, which starts them on a journey from the birth of the US Constitution, to a duck hunt in 1918, and back to the present day. It’s all about an ongoing argument that might actually be the very heart and soul of our system of government.

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