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Smarty Plants

2025/1/10
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Alvin Ubell
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Jad Abumrad
创始并主持广受赞誉的公众广播和播客节目《Radiolab》。
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Jennifer Frazier
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Monica Gagliano
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Robert Krulwich
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Larry Ubell和Alvin Ubell:作为房屋检查员,我们经常观察到植物的根会精准地找到并缠绕水管,最终导致水管破裂。这表明植物可能具有某种感知能力,能够探测到水管的位置。 Robert Krulwich:Monica Gagliano进行了一系列实验,证明植物能够完成我们难以想象的事情,例如感知水源、水的声音,甚至进行学习和记忆。 Monica Gagliano:我的实验表明,植物能够感知并趋向水源,即使水管与土壤没有直接接触;植物能够感知并趋向水的声音;植物能够学习并记住经验,例如重复的坠落不会造成伤害;植物能够像动物一样进行条件反射学习,将无关的刺激与奖励联系起来,并进行预测。 Jad Abumrad:我认为植物的反应并非基于大脑的决策,而是基于一系列的机械行为。植物的学习和记忆机制可能与人类不同。 Jennifer Frazier:植物的根毛可能像动物的耳朵一样,能够感知环境中的刺激。 Atish Bhatia,Sharon De La Cruz和Peter Landegren:我们试图重复Monica Gagliano的实验,但结果与她的发现有所不同。这可能是因为我们的实验条件不够稳定和一致。 Lincoln Taze:我对Monica Gagliano的研究方法和语言表达方式提出了一些质疑,认为她过分使用了拟人化的说法。 Robert Krulwich:Monica Gagliano的研究结果引发了人们对植物智能的思考,挑战了我们对植物的传统认知。

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How do tree roots locate water pipes underground?

Tree roots can sense and grow toward water pipes, often wrapping around and eventually cracking them. This behavior is observed even when the pipes are sealed and not leaking, suggesting roots detect condensation or other subtle cues.

What experiment did Monica Gagliano conduct to test plant behavior around water pipes?

Monica Gagliano used a Y-shaped pot to restrict plant roots to grow either toward or away from a water pipe. After five days, 80% of the roots grew toward the pipe, even when it was placed outside the pot, indicating plants can sense water without direct contact.

Can plants respond to sound, and if so, how?

In an experiment, plants were exposed to the sound of water from an MP3 player. Most roots grew toward the sound, suggesting plants can respond to auditory cues, possibly through root hairs that function similarly to ear hairs in animals.

What did Monica Gagliano discover about the Mimosa pudica plant's ability to learn?

Monica Gagliano found that Mimosa pudica plants stopped folding their leaves after repeated harmless drops, indicating they learned the drops were not a threat. This memory lasted up to 28 days, challenging the notion that learning requires a brain.

How did Monica Gagliano's pea plant experiment mimic Pavlov's dog experiment?

Monica conditioned pea plants to associate a fan (neutral stimulus) with light (food). After training, the plants leaned toward the fan alone, anticipating light, demonstrating a form of associative learning similar to Pavlov's dogs.

What are the criticisms of Monica Gagliano's plant experiments?

Some scientists criticize Gagliano's use of anthropomorphic language, such as 'learning' or 'hearing,' arguing it may lead to over-interpretation of plant behavior. They call for more rigorous replication of her experiments to validate the findings.

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Building inspectors notice that tree roots often target water pipes, leading to a mystery. Experiments by Monica Gagliano explore whether plants actively seek water, even when no moisture gradient is present. The results challenge the assumption that plants only react passively to their environment.
  • Tree roots consistently grow towards water pipes, even from a distance.
  • Gagliano's experiment with a Y-shaped pot showed plants preferentially growing towards a dry pipe containing water.
  • The possibility of moisture sensing, vibrations, or other signals through the soil is discussed.
  • Gagliano's experiment eliminated moisture gradients, and the plants still grew towards the water pipe.

Shownotes Transcript

In an episode we first aired in 2018, we asked the question, do you really need a brain to sense the world around you? To remember? Or even learn? Well, it depends on who you ask. Jad and Robert, they are split on this one. Today, Robert drags Jad along on a parade for the surprising feats of brainless plants. Along with a home-inspection duo, a science writer, and some enterprising scientists at Princeton University, we dig into the work of evolutionary ecologist Monica Gagliano, who turns our brain-centered worldview on its head through a series of clever experiments that show plants doing things we never would've imagined. Can Robert get Jad to join the march?

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