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In the late 1960s, seven-year-old Andrew D. Basiago stood trembling before a shimmering portal of radiant energy, a secret creation of DARPA's Project Pegasus. His father had enrolled him into this clandestine experiment, experiments rooted in Nikola Tesla's lost research. Suddenly, Andrew was pulled through the portal, its tendrils licking at his flesh, as he was hurled through time itself,
Suddenly, Andrew lands with a thud in 1863 Gettysburg, the air thick with tension as Abraham Lincoln gives his famous address. In the current year, Andrew stands by his experiences through time. He calls himself a chrononaut.
And he very well may be the only thing standing between us and complete utter destruction. But one thing's for sure, he's not standing in the way of an episode of Red Thread because that's what we are and we're here to talk about Project Pegasus as well as Andrew Basiago. I'm Jackson, with me, of course, the very talented Friendly Geordies and Kira, our script writer or researcher, I guess.
I guess that's the correct phrase. The person who puts together the document. Welcome, guys. How are we all doing today? Welcome and fine.
Kira. Yeah, how are you doing, Kira? I'm excited for this one. This one was fun to research. This is... I've gone through the document, I've researched it as well on my own. This is potentially the dumbest one we have done so far, in a good way. Like, this is ridiculous. Don't put a bias in someone's head. Tops Avril? Oh, yeah, 100%. Avril Lavigne, um...
Yeah, yeah. I mean, there wasn't that much to that one, really. That was just like a forum post. This one is about 25 years of an insane person's lunatic ranting compiled in a beautiful document here, going over every single detail, every single one of these little stories. It's like if you went out on the street and listened to the insane man on your corner, sprouting about the end times and then wrote it down in a notebook for 20 years and then came back and told me about it. I would think that was just the most beautiful thing that's ever existed.
This guy rambles and rambles. We were scouring through like
of his that were over six hours long. They were crazy. Yeah, poor Kira has listened to multiple videos about six hours long each of him ranting. Again, like he does, this man has done constant podcasts and interviews over like a 20 year period talking about his experiences through time, essentially. So I guess this is a forewarning. We are,
limited by our format in that there is no way we were able to accurately recount 20 years worth of stories so we're gonna have to take the choice highlights here to kind of paint the the overall broad stroke story as well as some like my like finer details throughout okay so the story of Andrew Basiago and Project Pegasus I am assuming you are not familiar at all Jordan
I'm familiar to the extent that I watched five minutes of this man on the History Channel once. That is to say, that is to say, I've seen some of these pictures before. You've seen this person's type or you've seen him specifically on the History Channel? No, I've seen this guy that you have to double take every time you look at him and just be like, is this a guy that plays a postman that gets shot up in mafia films? LAUGHTER
You guys were talking about that beforehand.
Andrew Dennis Basiago looks like a fairly unassuming man. It doesn't really look like a man of destiny that would be chosen with a spectacular power of going back in time. Just before we go on, is he able to voluntarily do this? Well, not anymore. No. We're going to get into it, but it was government-led secret operations. Essentially, he was chosen by the government to undergo these kind of experiments that sent him through time, these procedures that sent him through time. Right.
But he was not, it's not like he was born with an innate ability to travel through time. It was, it was a scientific implementation through the government. Right. Okay.
Now he can't. He's stuck in our timeline, sadly. He's not able to travel anymore. He's on that TSA travel ban list. He's not allowed to retire anymore. But yeah, this is a good opportunity to talk about his general appearance now. Because like I was saying before, in the introduction element about the homeless man on the streets ranting about conspiracy theories...
He doesn't look like that, obviously. This guy looks like a professional. He looks like an unassuming lawyer, basically. Just like a normal dude. Maybe even like a professor. An educated man, and he is an educated man, but who has spent his twilight years in his 60s over a 20-year period just endlessly ranting about this to anyone who will listen. Which is just hilarious to think that he's led a professional career up until this point, and now...
And now he's just going balls deep, basically, into this conspiracy theory. Fantastic. If he was talking about anything else, you would believe him because he just is so precise with what he says. And he has so much detail. He's articulate. He's very articulate. Yeah. So, but...
If it was anything else, you would just believe it. I mean, 50-50. I'm on the cusp of believing him as it is. His innate ability of like... He's a very convincing storyteller. He has an incredible way of explaining things in a lot of detail and remaining consistent that it's hard to believe that he is making this stuff up. But then you step back and think about him traveling to Mars through time travel and you're like, well...
That doesn't sound possible. You know what I mean? Maybe I do need to think about this a little bit more. All right. So...
Andrew Dennis Basiago, the man himself. He's a lawyer or an ex-lawyer at this point, a political presidential candidate, and also a time traveler with an IQ apparently high enough to be a previous member of Mensa, the high IQ society. He holds five different degrees and is a working lawyer at his private practice. Or he was, wasn't he? He's not anymore, Kira? Yes, I did read that he was taking a sabbatical, but that was...
Like 15 years ago. Yeah, he's definitely not working still to this day. So that's a 15 year sabbatical. You may as well call that retirement, right? At that point.
Maybe, yeah. Yeah, so he was a working lawyer at his own private practice, being admitted to the Washington State Bar in 1996. We've confirmed all these details. He is actually what he says he is. He's clearly an intelligent man. That's just true. You have to be a pretty intelligent man to have five different degrees and be a working lawyer, right? There's no way you can argue against that. Surely.
Yeah. Yeah. So very smart, man. I don't know what, like, I don't think there's proof of him being a member of Mensa. I couldn't find any proof of that. It's just a claim that he makes, but you know, in the broad, in the broad scheme of things, that's a very small lie. So I'll just take his word for that one. He could be a member of Mensa when we're talking about intergalactic travel and time manipulation. So sure. He's a member of Mensa. I'll take that one.
But this particular story, this story through time, all began in his childhood. Andrew was born on September 18th in 1961 in the town of Morristown, New Jersey, which is just the most unassuming sounding name possible for an American town, right? Morristown? Yeah. Yeah, beautiful. New Jersey's a bit shat. Is it? I've never been. I mean...
You've seen pictures, surely. Yeah, I've always just heard of New Yorkers, though, claiming that it's a bad place. Oh, yeah. So I don't know who to believe. It's like an argument between two siblings. Who knows? The youngest of five children, Andrew claims he was identified by the project leads at Project Pegasus as an indigo child. Oh, okay. Indigo child. So a very special child. That's the nomenclature they would give Pegasus.
give these potential subjects. These children are said to have supernatural abilities. In his bio on the Project Pegasus website, which is run by himself, Andrew says that he could use his mind to levitate small objects and read the minds of others through telepathy when he was a child. So he did have some form of like psychokinetic abilities when he was a child or special abilities when he was a child. And that's what made him attractive to the people that ran Project Pegasus, I assume.
So he couldn't travel through time, Jordan, but he could read your mind, which is pretty cool. Yeah. And so are you still in, we're putting this in the same category as he definitely went to Mensa? Yeah. Yeah. I think that was one of his applications. He definitely had some supernatural powers at a young age. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. It's undeniable. Yeah. He is gifted.
Yeah, I mean, again, I'm going to have to err on the side of caution and believe this man about this particular point because everything else is so insane that this is a trivial point. Like, it's not worth arguing about. Like, yeah, he was able to move objects using the Force or whatever.
Andrew says that his father, Raymond Basiago, was an engineer and chief technical liaison between the Ralph M. Parsons Company, which was a technology defense, intelligence, and infrastructure engineering firm, and the CIA shell group involved in Project Pegasus.
The Ralph M. Parsons Company does still exist to this very day as the Parsons Corporation. So again, he sprinkles in a lot of truth in these stories, which makes it very frustrating because I'm like, this is stupid. And then I look into it and he's like, he's told the truth in a lot of elements here.
All the jigsaw puzzle pieces are there. Which is what a lot of these successful conspiracy truthers do whenever they're making up their conspiracy theories. They're very good at laying a foundation of truth, which they can then point back on as proof that they're honest people and that you should believe them. The trick is not making it as insane as possible. It's got to be rooted in some element of truth. So yes, this company did exist.
And it still does to this day. It employs over 18,500 people worldwide across 30 countries. And public records confirm that Raymond, his father, was an inventor and engineer as a US patent exists for a hall plate, which is a semiconductor device. And it lists his name as the inventor. So again, yeah, he's being honest that his father worked for some
some kind of engineering company who was potentially collaborating with the CIA on something. And his dad was an inventor and engineer as proven by these records. So a lot of elements here that are true. Isn't it weird that these companies exist and they have like 20,000 people working worldwide across 30 countries and yet I've never heard of them before? Yeah, but is that even that big of a company anymore?
It's okay, I guess. Across 30... What have you done? All right. I don't have 18,500. I'm still on a lean 15,000, right? So I'm not in a position to talk about this. But I don't think... Yes, across 30 countries, that's all well and good. But don't you think that something like Toyota, if you looked that up, it'd be like 100,000, you know? Actually, but then again, you have heard about Toyota. Yeah, I've heard of Toyota. Your point does remain valid. Yes, you're completely correct. It's just surprising that there are very large...
multinational companies like Ralph M. Parsons Company or what's it called now? The Parsons Corporation. Never heard of it before. Never seen a logo. What do they do? When you look them up and you go into their history, they've done quite a lot. They helped build the largest floating structure in the world, helped Abu Dhabi Airport,
Worked on Missile Defense Agency for the United States. Yeah. There's, like, a lot in there. So they just do whatever they feel like. Is that their business? Well, it sounds like they're hired by different... Because, like, making a flotation device and then making missiles are very different things. Yeah, but...
That's why they've got 18,500 people. They've got some people who are good at missiles and some people who are good at flotation devices. This is so good. Just guessing their corporate structure. That's the red thread.
Project Pegasus is the name given to this secret government operation. And it's the name given by Andrew. There's no other records anywhere about Project Pegasus anywhere. If you look up Project Pegasus, you're probably going to get the most recent information about a... I think it's an Israeli spyware program called Project Pegasus that was unveiled by a bunch of journalists back in 2020.
It was like a piece of a virus that could take down governments, basically, developed by the Israeli government. You'll find that, but you won't find anything about Andrew's time travels. Which, hey, if I'm going to put my conspiracy hat on, maybe the government created the spyware program, Project Pegasus, to cover up this one so that if you ever do Google Project Pegasus, you won't find Andrew's stories anymore.
Yeah. And on top of that, it's too good of a name to not use.
Oh yeah, I'm sure there's got to be a project. People are going to have to constantly steal it for things. Yeah. So, again, so far, a lot of plausible aspects in this man's... So far, his alibi is tight. Yeah. Can't poke any holes through this one. I can't. Later in life, when Andrew was searching for his own information, he asked the CIA what the status of his father was and if he was in fact part of the CIA. What?
According to Andrew, the CIA answered, quote, we cannot give answers to any relative to a living or deceased CIA personnel, which confirmed what Andrew wanted to know. I don't know how that confirmed what he wanted to know. But again, he is a genius. They said he was a living or deceased CIA personnel. He was wondering if he was part of the CIA.
Yeah, I guess. You can read it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's more like... You can also read it in a way that the CIA just gives that broad answer to anyone asking dumb questions to them, basically. It's basically just like a we can't comment on this. If they do do that, they really are...
I'm pretty sure inadvertently stringing along nutters, aren't they? Yes. Everything is always said with, ooh, what's in the mystery box? You'll never know. But sort of, sort of, there's some little cryptic clues in there if you look into it. Look, everything they say pretty much is just like a two-pack lyric. There's a lot of ways to look into it.
I mean, like, you could just rewrite this sentence to say, according to Andrew, the CIA answered, we can't comment, which confirmed what Andrew wanted to know. Yeah, you could literally just write that. It's the same kind of concept. Yes.
Project Pegasus, though, is believed to be run by DARPA, mostly the Defense Advanced Research Agency. DARPA, once also called ARPA before they added the D, has a strong military connection and works on long-term projects that are often or entirely classified. They're basically the CIA, but for technology, if I wanted to dumb that down to its broadest kind of definition.
In the winter of 1967, Andrew's father brought him to the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. The LANL, L-A-N-L, which is what the acronym for that facility is, is one of the research and development laboratories of the United States Department of Energy. And it's known for its research and assistance in creating the first atomic bomb. But Raymond didn't bring Andrew to LANL the normal way. No! No!
Andrew alleges that they were teleported from New Jersey. Damn! Why? Be cool! Take a flight. And what, in the 60s? In the 60s. But for such an innocuous visit as well, just to teleport to some lab, essentially? Yeah. Why? Just as an experiment that they could?
He was showing, he was showing, it was like the introduction into this. So his dad was like, you want to see what I can do? And then teleported him to Laenor? Apparently it was pretty much a, like, he didn't know what he was, Andrew didn't know what he was getting into until he got there. And he was like, what is this? Wait, Raymond didn't or Andrew didn't? Andrew didn't. Raymond did. Raymond knew. Okay. Raymond knew. Okay.
So Raymond had told Andrew's mother that the two were going to a local hardware store. Instead, they had gone to the Curtis Wright Aeronautical Plant in Woodridge, New Jersey, which has since been abandoned. And this is where they were teleported from. You're so right.
He's got an answer for everything. Oh, he really does. Like, really inane details. We walked down 53rd, took a right. It's like, he's got it all. I mean, you're literally correct. I think Kira writes about this later in the document, but he recounts things with shockingly accurate memory a lot of the times. Like, you were telling me about how he was able to accurately describe...
The trip from one facility to another, to facilities that do exist in real life, down to saying, like, we took a left turn on this street, then a right turn on this street, traveled for 20 minutes, left turn, and then we ended up at the facility. And, like, if you look at, like, Google Maps or whatever, it's, like, it is corroborated by the actual route that people would take to get from that place to another. Like, there are so many unnecessary details that this man adds to his stories that...
just so consistent with other elements of his story and also reality that it's rather annoying because it makes me want to believe him.
And this is coming from, like, even since the age of six years old, he has that good of a memory. I definitely can't remember what I was doing at six years old. No. But even... Okay, let's say that he is making up stuff like that, just off the fly or whatever. To remain that consistent about it and retell that story so many different times across so many different podcasts and interviews, it is an impressive skill in of itself. Like, if I was recounting stories from, like, when I was, like, ten years old or whatever...
I feel like over time I would become inconsistent with my retelling due to my memory issues or whatever. Or just memory fading or whatever. He's a 60 year old and he's recounting it the exact same way every single time, basically. Down to the last minute detail. It's an impressive skill in of itself, even if he is lying. Super cool. Yes.
I admire this crazy man. Me too. I like you. You should, after this, you know, when you're trying to go to sleep or whatever, you should put on one of these six hour long interviews that goes for anyone out there. So Andrew describes the teleportation machine as looking like a pair of parentheses. So brackets. Uh,
about 8 feet tall, or 2.4 meters, and 10 feet apart, 3 meters, and when it was functioning, a radiant energy, a form of energy Nikola Tesla discovered that can bend time-space, this energy beamed between the two devices, lightly shimmering, this is a quote from Andrew, like water down a public sculpture. Andrew has explained that when someone jumps through this radiant energy, their inertia opens up a vortex tunnel in time-space, which
Yeah, the science is there. I believe him. He's describing what is basically like a Rick and Morty portal, I think. Yeah, he really is. That's so true. And it kind of is like Rick and Morty when you think about it. He's like traveling through time with his father figure as well. Maybe he just watched Rick and Morty. He's basing it all off that.
Andrew describes the device as simply being plugged into a power outlet on the wall, needing only a little bit more than a normal household appliance energy to operate. You know what's incredible? This is the first part that I find somewhat questionable. This is where you start to think, hmm, that doesn't quite make sense. I did pause when I read that. I was like, what? What?
Why would you make that call as well? Because out of everything else, I think it's also just the basic psychology of somebody is if someone said, yeah, I travel two times, you'd be like, well, you've got to tell me more. But then just saying something along the lines of, and it takes a little more energy than an everyday kettle. It all of a sudden just sounds like you're trying to upsell me at Retrovision.
Yeah, I was going to say, he sounds like a salesperson. And you're very used to that type of lie. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, and you can pre-order it now at my website, andrew.basiago.com. I know, it's basically just like, you're really saving energy on this. Just think about how much energy you use to fly places. They were very eco. Well, yeah, actually, maybe that was his argument. Because he does have kind of like an eco...
platform later on, especially when we get to some of the later details. He talks about how
environmentally friendly teleportation was. So maybe that's why he banged on about this particular detail. I always feel so bad about this. Why are the eco-warriors always nutbags? If you really care about the planet, you're always just a bit off-kilter, you know? Well, I think you're going to get hate for that, first of all. You're going to frustrate a lot of eco-warriors. From the nutters, though! I mean, look, I
I am somebody that has, like, you know, done some very big environmental causes in my life, like raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for it and stuff. But, man, I don't consider myself as, like, a normie, you know? Like, I think I'm a bit fucking off-hinge. Like, the whole time I'm reading this being like, yeah, yeah, you had psychic powers. Get to the interesting part, you know? It's not good enough for you.
Yeah, I mean, like you said, I think that those causes attract a lot of idealistic people. And I think idealistic people are generally going to be the ones who like to see fictional realities, essentially. Yes, yes. Where they make up these cool extravagant worlds rooted in idealism. It is a very cool extravagant world, isn't it?
I mean, I want to believe in the worlds that they make. These people are like the tokens of our generation in my eyes. Yes! They're wonderful. Wonderful people. His podcast is the length of an audiobook. And still, until they start to burn down houses in the pursuit of their eco-agenda or anything like that, then it starts to become a little bit scary. But until then, it's very fun.
But regardless, yeah, this machine was powered through only a wall outlet, which means you too could run your own teleportation device at home if you wanted to. Which is great.
His father told... No, sorry. His father held Andrew's hands and counted to three, jumping into the energy field that turned into a vortex tunnel. As they were sent through the portal, Andrew could see intervening events all around him, like the whole universe was passing by. He describes how he felt like they were moving rapidly, but also like they weren't moving at all. Kara, would you like to recount what his father said to him? Because you have a beautiful voice. Oh, sure. Thank you. Just how I imagine Andrew's voice. Okay. Okay.
So Andrew said that his father said to him, son, when we leap, I want you just to leap and leap at the center of the field of energy. Don't look back. Don't reach back. Just hit it with me. Yeah, that's cool.
That's a cool line from his dad, just hit it with me. Could be from a book. What a man. Yeah, I wish my dad time travelled with me. That'd be cool.
Andrew could see a tiny speckle of light at the end of this tunnel that got bigger and bigger and then they hit straight into it like colliding with a wall. His father had warned him that they might get separated and they did with his father apparently getting sucked through the wall and Andrew finding himself wandering the capital complex of Santa Fe, New Mexico until his father found him around an hour later.
This was, according to Andrew, the beginning of his journey with Project Pegasus. So this was his very first foray into teleportation and Project Pegasus, Kira? Yes. Yeah, okay. So, I mean, put yourself in his position...
I'd be addicted to that feeling immediately. I'd want to go back for more. If that was my first encounter with teleportation, you couldn't pull me away from that machine. I'd be there constantly. This is a little interim here, Jordan. I was thinking about this while I was reading. Would you prefer to be sent back in time or forward in time? Oh, back in time. Yeah, same. Same, absolutely. And the reason for me...
why I would choose Back in Time because the future is like a gamble, right? You don't know what you're going to get. You could time travel 50 years in the future, 100 years in the future, even a millennia in the future. It could just be boring or nothing. It could be nothing exciting. It could be the end of the world or it could just be society as it is now, basically. Who knows? But with Going Back in Time, you kind of know broadly what you're going to get. If I travel back to the dinosaurs, I know I'm going to get some cool dinosaur moments. Wait, hang on.
Is that why you want to go back in time? Yeah, I want to see dinosaurs. What's wrong with that? You have no idea the lifelong obsession Jackson has had with dinosaurs. Why do you want to go back in time?
You know what? I honestly can think of like three or four major historical events that I just want to give a go at. Just maybe go back in time to Caesar and say, look, man, I know that soothsayers and your wife have both begged you not to go into the Senate, but I've traveled back in time. You can see my sneakers here now. Just don't do it.
And see if he's just like, fuck off. And also, why are you speaking Latin? You would have to get over the translation issues, I think. You're going to show up sneaky and he's going to stab you for them.
All right, so, all right, do you go back in time effectively? You would have to learn the ancient language of the time to a point where you're at least conversational, so there's already a huge problem there. Yes. So, look, actually, you're one of just going back and seeing dinosaurs. Yeah, I'm not going to need to talk to them. It might just be you go back in time, you immediately get eaten. Yeah, but that's, I'd be the only human ever eaten by a dinosaur.
Actually, wait. If I go back in time, get eaten by a dinosaur, I'm going to be rediscovered in the future as skeletal remains in a dinosaur's stomach. It's just going to be incredible. People are going to have their minds blown that there was one single human back then who got eaten by a dinosaur somehow. That's going to be fucking awesome. I'll go down in history. I was just going to say, I just really want to see dinosaurs.
It is cool, especially because from all the artists' interpretation of what the planet looked like back then, it seemed like it was just a giant rainforest, and that would have been awesome to see in itself.
Yeah, for sure. It's actually not a bad point to go back in time to. Actually makes a lot more sense than mine now that I think about it. But the other one that I always wanted to go back to purely was just, all right, now I know the lotto numbers. Wait, why would you go back? We know the lotto numbers from 20 years ago right now. You could Google it. That's what I'm saying. No, wouldn't you want to go in the future and then see the lottery numbers in the future so then you can put the bet in your present?
Oh, wait, so you can come back as well? So you go into the future and then come back at a whim? Oh, okay. Well, yeah, I didn't think about that. I assumed we were coming back. Are you staying with Caesar? Are you renting one of his Roman villas? What's happening? Are you just staying there forever?
Shit, dude, I did not think this too far ahead. I don't know. I think that's what happens. You just have to stay there and they're just like, well, we've got pipes, but they've got a lot of lead in them. You're going to have to get used to shitting in the streets. You're going to have to borrow a couch off Caesar.
Yeah, and I also just assume that I'll go there and I'll just, like, you know, put a yo-yo in front of the most powerful men on Earth and they'll be enamoured by it and be like, well, he has to just live in a villa. He's obviously going to have to have a great life. He'll live like a king. Yeah.
But maybe they'll probably just do that and it'll get executed. Yeah, I was going to say you're either going to get seen as a witch and killed immediately or they're going to expect such great things from you that you can't deliver. They'll think of you as a god and your only ability was bringing them sneakers from the future. Like, what are you going to do from there? You're like, shit, I'm out of ideas.
oh my god yeah okay then the pressure's really on because you're gonna have to sit there and be a soothsayer for the rest of your life that's what i'm saying yeah you can't i i don't know as soon as you have one answer where you're like i don't know they're gonna fucking execute you on the spot for being a liar yeah all right look every wait hang on kira what would you do yeah yeah yeah uh you've heard both arguments oh my god i don't know now i feel stressed
It is stressful, isn't it? Yeah, time travel is stressful. Especially if you add the little pretext of you can't come back. I'd go back to when he claims this happened and see if it happened. Oh, yeah. Oh, what a waste of a trip. It's so obvious it didn't. What if it did? You're like a time travel cuck. You went back in time just to see a person actually time travel. Yeah.
But, Kira, just to get on the record so that the audience knows, would you travel back in time or the future? Which one? I'd probably travel back in time. I don't want to know what the future looks like until I'm there. True, yeah. It's pretty scary knowing the future, I think. Yeah. All right, but what about that far ahead, like dinosaurs? There probably would just be another round of dinosaurs. Oh, you're talking about, like, circling back to dinosaurs? We go so far in the future that now there's new dinosaurs? Yeah.
Yeah, pretty much. No, I want the original ones. There'll be new dinosaurs. You want the OG ones? Yeah, I'm only interested in the OGs. Generation 1 dinosaurs. I think probably the most likely event would be, if you went too far in the future, there would just be a bunch of rat people. I'd fit right in then. Because it's like a weird quirk that monkeys became the dominant species on Earth. It should have been some sort of rat.
Yeah, I often think about that. That were much more intelligent. Huh? I often think about that, what life would be like now if some other species generated... Sorry, like, you know, took over, essentially. Evolved to the point of humanity, essentially. Like, if we were giant salamanders instead. What? Salamanders? I have no clue. It's not the animal that I think is next in line. I have no clue why salamanders came directly into my brain then.
That must be my reptile DNA. Yeah, you're really pro-reptiles. It's sick. I am, apparently, yeah. Yeah. All right, so back on topic to the foundation of Project Pegasus. Let's talk about Nikola Tesla because, of course, the technology behind Project Pegasus is deeply ingrained with Nikola Tesla's kind of research. Do you want to take this chapter?
All right. According to Andrew, he was deeply involved within Project Pegasus in the 1960s and 70s, essentially being chosen as an astronaut for their adventures through time.
Wow. What a life. The work in Project Pegasus was based on the inventor Nikola Tesla, a Serbian-American engineer and inventor born on the 10th of July, 1856. This list of inventions that came from Nikola Tesla is long, but to name a few, he invented the alternating current power system, the radio, the Tesla coil, fluorescent, and just to name a few. He invented
is also the art rival of Thomas Edison. It's speculated that his contribution in researching to high-frequency energy fields and wireless energy transmission could be or was used in the research for dimensional shifting and teleportation. God, that's a long stretch, but okay. You're just digesting that? You're kind of right. When you're reading this, you are taken aback for a few seconds. You're just like processing the information in your brain.
He died in 1943 in a hotel in New York, leaving behind a large amount of research papers that were of immediate interest to the government due to Tesla's area of research and expertise. This is true and not speculation. Within hours of his death, the government seized his belongings. Yeah, that's actually-
Yeah, I mean, yeah, he was a very smart person and you don't want that information, especially in 1943, falling into the hands of enemies during World War II. So yeah, makes sense. And it is confirmed. This isn't just speculation from Andrew Basiago. This has been corroborated. They definitely stole Tesla's research immediately after he died.
Although Tesla was an American citizen, he was born in Smiljan, Croatia. He died during World War II. And where he was born was part of the Axis powers, which gave justification for the government to be able to take his research under the Alien Property Custodian Act. Well, yeah, this is exactly what Jackson was just saying.
Due to the nature of this work, they saw it important to get into his research papers first, which could prove useful to the war effort. Nikola Tesla had been one of the few individuals that claimed to have invented the death ray. What is he, a Star Wars villain? Nikola Tesla made as wild claims as this unassuming postman did. Yeah, Nikola Tesla was the original Andrew Basiago. Far out. Okay, I didn't know that.
Well, he did research into this death ray. I'm pretty sure it was just like firing particles or radiation at people to, you know, cause them to disintegrate internally. Yeah. Pretty cool. More lightly known as the particle beam or electromagnetic weapon, the idea of this death ray is one of the reasons the government wanted his research. That's a fucking... That's a terrifying sentence. Yeah.
We want his death ray. Yes, we must have the death ray. Yeah, the US government was working on their own Death Star at the time, I think. The task of reading and evaluating his papers was given to Dr. John G. Trump. Yes, this was President Donald Trump's uncle. Really? Wow. I thought he would have come from just a family of businessmen, but yeah, he comes from a pretty prestigious family of educated men, believe it or not.
That's incredible. Yeah, you're right. I thought that they'd all just be slumlords. Yeah, yeah, like real estate developers and stuff. But no, this guy was a doctor. Yeah. Dr. Trump was an electrical engineer and professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and he ended up concluding that there was nothing of importance in the research and that most of it was entirely speculative.
After deciding that there wasn't much to the papers, they moved it into a government storage facility. Apparently, some of the research was given to Nikola Tesla's family. Others, according to Basiago, became classified. No declassified US government records confirmed that any portion of Tesla's papers were retained after Trump's release. Yeah, but that's exactly what they would say if they were, you know, keeping the documents as well, right? Yeah, no, I'm very much of the opinion that
Just because there's no record of something being classified doesn't mean that it is. Surely there's things that are just so secretive and sensitive that they would never refer to. Like you're a big UFO guy.
Massive. Yeah. So that goes hand in hand. In fact, I have a show at the moment that tickets are on sale to, but yeah. True. Good plug. Where can people find the link to that? In the description, first of all. Oh, they can find it at friendlygeordies.com and all good retailers of comedy in those specific cities. People are calling it, Andrew Basiago is calling it the best show around. LAUGHTER
You should put that on the poster. Yeah, I will. I will. What a review. Time-travelling expert Andrew Basiago claims that this is one wild ride. Might be dangerous considering he is a lawyer and that could be defamation potentially. There's so many... You really don't want to fuck with Andrew Basiago, do you? Like, highly intelligent...
able to read minds, move objects. Yeah, that element is dangerous. That element is dangerous. But I don't know, he comes across as pretty kind in all of the stuff that I've heard. Like, not a mean-spirited man, just a man who really feels passionately about his time travels. Alright. He does look it. Yeah.
So far, really, the only thing that I've found to be wanting in any of his story is just I think that there'd be more currents involved in time travel. And other than that, so far, it's just, yeah, but he's a nice guy and he's articulate, so I'm trusting him. I mean, that's all I need. Yeah. I'm a simple man. According to belief. He is.
Nikola Tesla himself was intrigued and obsessed with the idea of time travel and worked tirelessly to make it happen. An anecdote was shared by him in a 1931 interview with the New York Herald Tribune, where he described a 1985 experiment with magnetic fields and high voltage electricity that caused him to perceive a timeless state.
Oh, I think that should be 1895, by the way. 1895 experiment, because if he was performing a 1985 experiment, Tesla would absolutely be a time traveler because he would have been dead by about 40 years by that point. So that is absolutely a typo. Or he is a time traveler. Yeah, can't confirm either. It's 50-50. We will look into this further. Yeah.
Past, present and future simultaneously. People believe this to mean that he discovered time travel or at least the mechanics necessary to manipulate time. Tesla himself attributed this as a near-death experience from his equipment operating at high electrical loads. That's hilarious. Okay, so even Tesla himself saying this is not because I invented time travel machinery. Yeah.
There's still people out there that's just like, no, no, no, I don't think you nearly died. That doesn't seem like something that could happen when you're experimenting with inventing electricity. Yeah, so he's basically saying, I got zapped so hard that I had a near-death experience and saw my life flash before my eyes. Something everyone who's been in that situation talks about. And then Andrew Basiago has taken this, or other people who believe this theory have taken this as proof that
That Tesla was obsessed with time travel and invented time travel in that lab.
Because he saw the past, present and future simultaneously. Apparently. Let's just go over some of the big claims in short. So Project Pegasus wasn't originally created as a time travel project, but as a program by the CIA to perform remote sensings in time of things past and present to then assist the government for the future. They would basically look into the past, see what happened, and then they would use this information to educate people
governments for how to prepare for the future or they would go into the future and see how things turn out then come back and tell the government how to make that happen basically
Apparently they use these Project Pegasus devices to travel to the future and brief future presidents on their destiny as well, supposedly starting with Jimmy Carter. So unfortunately, that means if you wanted to be president in the future and you haven't received the time travel agency coming to tell you that you are going to be president in the future, obviously you're not going to be president in the future. That's about as much proof as you need that you're not going to be president in the future.
Man, what a baller universe this man has constructed. It's so comfy. Wouldn't that be incredible to just be at the Oval Office and then there's a ball field that goes like... And a CIA agent comes out and says, like, good evening, Mr. Carter. Here's a briefing of your president. LAUGHTER
It's so good. Time travel influenced the American presidency entirely. Apparently, Barack Obama knew that he was going to be president from the age of 20. This isn't a claim that Barack Obama made. This was a claim that Andrew Passiago made. I should clarify that. Andrew also claims that Barack Obama was a part of the project himself, and he traveled to Mars during an operation.
Damn. So Barack Obama travelled to Mars using Project Pegasus when he was a child. Man, small world, huh? Yeah, it's pretty incredible, isn't it? Yeah, I mean, Trump's involved in this, Barack Obama is. Incredible. Yeah. Directly, too. Not a distant relative. No. Obama, straight up, 10, in between maths and English class.
Andrew claims that he himself was teleported multiple times including going back in time on several occasions to witness events he was tasked with bringing back information on significant events like President Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address which was famously undocumented until this point when Andrew brought back the information luckily they sent him back in time to find out what the fuck happened then
See, and this is incredible. This next dot point, Jackson, come on. It's true. I can't believe this. He admits that he did not see the assassination itself. No. That's incredible. It's such a damn plausible storyline, isn't it? He sits there and says, I have information on this. I don't have any information on that. Yeah. Like, why even talk about it then?
It's just great that he's got those little... It does honestly make it more plausible that you could sit there and say, what was Abraham Lincoln like? And then you say, well, I don't know. I didn't go up and talk to him. Yeah, I didn't meet him. I just observed him from afar or something, you know? Oh, just in the audience. He's not endlessly just pushing the envelope and saying, yeah, yeah, I watched that. I saw everything. Yeah, yeah. We were best friends. But, of course, that does fall apart when he starts talking about how Barack Obama came to visit him on Mars. Yeah.
like you can't you can't walk your way out of that one if you're talking about that you may as well say you were best friends with lincoln as well like come on uh andrew yeah so he didn't he didn't he admits that he didn't see the assassination of abraham lincoln but he does claim that he traveled to the theater on the night of lincoln's death a number of times and even heard the fatal shot
I believe it. A number of times. Yeah, he went multiple times. He loved it. Reliving it. Yeah. Obsessive, almost. He suffered more than Lincoln did. He's in a purgatory of his own making. Yeah.
What a scary groundhog day to be trapped in. It's such a random one too. Like you're forced to relive the night of Abraham Lincoln's death, but never close enough to actually see it. You just hear the gunshot. Like why? Is that what he's claiming? That's so good. So he's always just running towards the gunshot. Mr. Lincoln. I'm over.
He's just shouting. He doesn't even make it into the theater. He's just shouting from outside, Mr. Lincoln, get down! Then he hears the gunshot before he can make it. But he never heard, because Lincoln famously was partially deaf. Yeah. Well, he can hear him over the gunshot. Yeah. Oh, it's so good. Why not time travel into the room, then, if you want to save him? I don't know. All right. Knowing Andrew Basiaga, though, he'd teleport himself directly in between the bullets somehow and get shot by
By the assassin. God, it's so good. That'd be great if in the history books, all of a sudden, we just took it for granted. It's just known that mysteriously this child that had the same haircut as the Beatles got in the way of the bullet. And that's just how we know. It just popped up out of nowhere. Yeah, that's actually in the books. That is our history.
He can't change anything. Is that the deal? He's not allowed to change history at all. Well, that's the classic time travel argument, right? If you change the past, then the future is going to change or the present is going to change. Yes, but he is going by that rule. Yeah, I mean, if you go back in time, then what happens back there has to logically lead to the present that you have time traveled from. So, yeah.
All right. Which is why he could only hear the gunshot, I guess. God damn. I don't know how it works. Time travels. If the Avengers couldn't do justice, I don't think Andrew Basiago should. Yeah, totally. So Andrew has been to Mars on several missions and has even gotten to know the locals. Yes, he confirms that there is life on Mars.
Another big claim. So we're just going through kind of a dot point of his big claims at this point. This one came out of left field for me. I was like, how did this get into this document? Like, what is this? So he claims that the Sasquatch is real and that he saw two when he was four years old in August of 1966 at Lake Sakandaga, Canada.
In the Adirondacks of New York City. Is that made up? That's such a weird series of names. I'm assuming it might be like historical sites. It's a mountain range. Interesting. According to Andrew, it was a father and son Sasquatch that he saw. That's very wholesome. I like that idea. Yeah.
Very nice. There's a small little Sasquatch learning the ropes, picking berries and stealing fishing nets. Maybe they were time-travelling Sasquatches too, like a future version of him and his dad. Look, I am looking at pictures of Great Lakes second dagger or whatever.
And again, the story checks out. Yeah, it does exist. A Sasquatch would live there. It does exist, yes. And there is a lot of trees for them to hide in. Wait, so he talks about this situation, Kira, when he experienced meeting or seeing the Sasquatches when he was just four years old. So this would have taken place before the time teleportation stuff. Yes. Because he did see some of that kind of stuff when he was six. So he had a very eventful childhood, just in general. Yeah.
This isn't even connected to the time travel, really. He just saw a Sasquatch. Yeah, I saw this first when I was reading about his policies for his presidency, which is in the document later. And yeah, then I found this little anecdote about how he saw a Sasquatch. And I was like, damn. Okay, well, now we're veering into territory where he is just saying that he experienced everything, which does make him less credible to me.
He should have said that he heard the Sasquatch instead from the distance, but he didn't actually see it or meet it. Yes. Then I'd be back on board. I believe that. And he needed to tie into time travel, really, for it to make sense to me.
Okay, so Andrew DiBiaseago's claims. This chapter is called The Truth Campaign. So Andrew has prefaced his decision to speak out on Project Pegasus with that he is unable to be prosecuted by the government.
He knows the law, dammit.
He's able to circumvent your non-disclosure agreements very easily. Maybe that's why he went into law so that he could break his way out of this contract that he signed when he was a child. Andrew states that his decision to go public with this knowledge stems from the feeling that he has a moral duty to be a whistleblower for the things that he has experienced, and
In his many public speaking events, for example, his 2009 lecture at the International UFO Congress, he talks about how modern cities are growing very quickly and how highways are growing but filling up with cars just as quickly and how he has seen the dark future up to the year 2045 where urban expansion has created enormous infrastructure problems. So that's why he wants to speak out about this now. He's seen the future in as many cars. It doesn't sound that dark, does it?
Yeah, it's just congested highways. I've seen the dark future and it's just... Yes, there is congestion. You know what this was? This dude was sick and tired of commuting to his law offices for 10 years straight. He was getting sick of waiting in traffic for two hours in New York. And so he came up with this...
magical world where he could he could alert the public about the dangers of uh congestion highway congestion but he needed he needed this fantasy world first to prove it and how bad it was going to get it really does just sound like a disgruntled lawyer who's sick of waiting in traffic
He also wanted everyone to know that the project Manhattan scientists that were involved in the atomic bomb also created something beneficial to humanity, teleportation and time travel. So it was part warning people about the future and also part giving the atomic bomb creators the credit that they deserved for creating something good as well. Very strange thing to include, honestly. Like, why?
Why would that make him want to go public? Do you have any ideas? He does honestly seem like a very morally guided man who seems to have morals invented in an entire alternate universe.
So, like, it suffers from two problems here. One, he does honestly seem quite sensitive in a weird way, just reading the profile of this man as we go along. So I can see him not being able to stand idly by while there is these injustices written into history, such as Project Manhattan just created the A-bomb, you know? Yeah, and then these scientists were, you know...
labeled as creators of terror weapons when they actually invented good things too like teleportation that no one is able to use that needs to be on the record yes like 20 years before his time as well like he was time traveling in the 60s and they created the atom bomb in the 40s so he's fighting for the justice of the scientists from 20 years ago well 20 years ago at that time terrible yes yeah very brave man yeah
Andrew first came out with these stories of time travel in 2004 and has since embarked on his truth campaign, which is him wanting the public to know that time travel is real. He's done countless talks, events, radio shows, podcasts, and TV appearances to get this story out. And yeah, most of the information we glean from Andrew is from these interviews, these podcasts, as well as his internet archive website that he maintains himself or has maintained himself over the last two decades. So,
What's that website called again, Kira? It's just called projectpegasus.com or something, right? Yeah, projectpegasus.info. It's a very old school looking website. Okay. But full of good information, good healthy information that is very believable. So if you want to hear more about that, obviously go there and you'll hear directly from the source. We're just kind of giving a chronology of the events and stuff.
Andrew claims that this device he used that day, he's unsure of the exact date, was discovered accidentally after a model from a Nikola Tesla paper was created, which he simply called the Tesla Energetic Array. Its use for teleportation was not originally known until Project Pegasus was created to examine the device.
Yeah.
I don't know what that last sentence means. Dude, I'm getting dizzy. Me too. Dizzy from the information overload here. So they discovered that this device was able to teleport people because a technician walked through it to get a screwdriver on the other side of the device when he then erroneously was teleported to Africa. Was workplace safety not a thing at this time? It must not have been. Yeah.
He needed that screwdriver really bad that he would walk through a green gooey portal. Fair enough. All right. So the first person, though, to intentionally teleport, not accidentally teleport, intentionally teleport died when they asphyxiated due to the tunnel being set up too long as the device wasn't configured correctly yet. There was no memorial service due to the secrecy of this project. Yeah, that checks out. Yeah.
Wait, if Andrew was such a moral guy, wouldn't he want the identity of this guy to be known so that he could get the credit? He might not have known it. Yeah, he should. Because this information was just being told to him. It's just incredible. I'm so glad this man exists. We should get him on the podcast. I think he would actually come on the podcast. He would absolutely say yes. But what is he, like a 90-year-old man? No, he's like 65 now, I think, 70, maybe. And he still does it.
Well, he's kind of gone AFK over the last three, four years, so I don't know if he's still alive at this point. I think he is, but I don't know for sure. I think his last interview was in like 2021 or 2022. It's honestly... You know what it reminds me of? It seems like... You know that...
guy, Jodowowski or whatever, that created the script for Dune originally in the 60s, and then every science fiction film since has just taken inspiration from that. Yeah. I really feel like this guy is that for fantasy. This is a combination of Harry Potter, Animorphs. It's all the kids' books.
I think, yeah, he's definitely taken... And I'll preface this by a big if. If he's lying here and none of this is true, he's definitely taken a lot of this stuff from different fantasy worlds and books and stuff like that. No, I think they've taken it from him. Okay. Even the fact that they've got the time-travelling guy that comes into the president's office and says...
Here's your agenda over the next four years, and I'm not forcing you into this agenda. This is just what the space-time continuum says you'll do. That's very much like the Minister of Magic portrait in the Prime Minister's office. Have you just been on a Harry Potter binge recently or something?
No, I just often think about that. And I don't know, for whatever reason, it's one of those things. This is what happens with fantasy and it's a big reason why I try to stay clear of it because I think that I'm too stupid and naive for my subconscious brain to separate the two. But there is moments in my life where I'm just sitting on a train or a car or something and then I'll be like, yeah, Keir Starmer has one of those portraits and he consults with the Minister of Magic every now and then. Like, I...
This is why you're the perfect Red Thread host. What? Why is that a good thing? Why is that a good thing? It's because you have the incredible ability to see the truth in the world. Or imagine what could be. I think I want to say that just due to the articulate nature of this man and the creative elements of him, he genuinely could have made this into an incredible book series.
Like a fictional world. He would have been very successful. And that's the beautiful balance. Instead of laughed at. Yes. That's the beautiful balance between a gifted storyteller and a conspiratorial nut job. Like if you tip too far into one direction or you go in a certain direction, like he could have just like, he could have focused on making this a book series instead. And I would have read the fuck out of these books. Wouldn't I? Yeah, I know. Like, honestly, it's,
It's only, the only difference is that he's claiming that this happened. Yes. That's it. That's all. It's one little twist of the dial. Exactly. If he just said, I made all this up, even if he said that now, I'd be like, you know what? Fair. You rule. This is awesome. Yeah. Even if you did make all this up, you're a very impressive, creative man. And I respect that. But even him insisting that he didn't make it up, I still think he's awesome.
As you said before, it's just he's a clearly gifted writer. Yes, exactly. Andrew claims that there were 140 kids involved in the project. Kids were not the first to time jump, but bought into the project as they were adaptable to the difficulties of time travel itself, and they were moldable into what the government wanted them to grow up to be, which was chrononauts.
They also thought that if the kids were sent on specific missions, they could gather data without bias and they could be more inconspicuous. That's not a good argument.
So I'll tell you the example that he gave for this. Okay. Yeah. Because I didn't write that in. He said that if someone travelled through time and saw someone with a holster, an adult would immediately think they've got a gun. But a kid might actually look at it and think and see that, oh, it's actually some sort of technological device, that they've just got it in a holster. Does that make sense? Yes. That's what he said. Yes, the wily imagination of a child. Yeah.
That was his example. Wait, so they were just... In this world, they were literally just sending naive, dumb kids out on time travel adventures and they were using their dumb naivete as a benefit for the mission? That's why they were sending kids out? Because they wouldn't understand things?
Maybe, or like, because, you know, an adult with their experience would see the holster and think there's a gun in there. That's the only thing I really know. I've seen that so many times, but a kid hasn't. So they would actually look and see what was there. I think that's what he's saying. Curiosity that was there. Okay. But also kids are weak and it's a danger to them to send them into the time unprepared. I don't know. I don't know. What do you think, Jordan?
I mean, it's very stupid logic, but I do see it. I respect the logic. I respect that he put effort into making the logic in the first place. He also said that kids also have less fear. I don't know about that. I don't know. They seem to quit themselves a lot.
Yeah. Andrew's like, kids are the bravest of us all. Are they constantly complaining of crime? Yeah, they're always scared. I mean, they're scared of the dark. They're going to be more scared of time travel than us. Or is his claim that like...
Because you don't give them the information, they don't have the ability to be scared of it yet. I don't know. I don't know what he means. I think it's both. That and also they don't think about the long-term mental effects or physical effects that these sort of things will have on you if you do it. Yeah, right. Because you didn't educate the kids. You could also do that with adults. You could just lie to the adults and they'd have less fear.
Anyway, when Andrew asked his father about this and why he was willing to send his own son into dangerous waters, his father responded that humans have to be willing to do dangerous things for civilization to advance, and children have always come along with their parents on dangerous expeditions in the past. Okay, that's a good enough argument for me.
These 140 space cadets weren't the first to time travel. Andrew said that when he had a conversation with his dad later in life, close to his father's death, they talked about how back in the day, agreements were made with the Latin American governments to essentially round up orphaned kids off the streets of Latin America and bring them to the lab to be used in these time explorations. If they survived,
Well, that's a sad sentence. If they survived. If they survived, they would then be adopted into American families as a reward. Andrew recognized... This is a great sentence. Did you write that? Yeah, she wrote this.
Well, that is... I admire how you want to stick to the facts and the record of the account. Now, with that in mind, yes, please read this sentence out. It's incredible. Andrew recognises this as a big issue of human rights. LAUGHTER
He stands against it. I told you he was a moral guy. He's a very moral guy, yeah. But he also stresses that no child died and that they were then also adopted, so maybe it was a good thing. No disrespect. Ah, yes, the grace of morality. Yeah. Who are we to judge? I don't know. Isn't it weird that he was...
Like, his father put him into this operation filled with, like, 140 Latin American orphans, basically, and then just one American white kid, essentially. A bit weird. No, so the Latin American orphans came before the 140 space cadets. Oh, right. Yeah, the 140 space cadets weren't the first time to time travel. So they experimented, basically, with the Latin American orphans first.
That's what I gathered, yes. Wow. Okay, well then that is a human rights issue. The kids, so the eventual American space cadets were split up into groups of 10. Each designated a color and one child was chosen to be captain. And wouldn't you believe it? Andrew says that he was the captain of the blue team. He was the coolest. He was the coolest one, yeah.
Yeah, he was the coolest guy. Always the team to win in Little Athletics. Yeah. You know what this means? He was the captain and he was giving orders to Barack Obama on Blue Team. So, Andrew was cooler than Barack Obama. Isn't that always the thing with conspiracy theories? It's always, I'm the coolest person. I'm the only one that sees the truth. Yeah. Yeah.
It is quite uncanny, isn't it, how everybody that is at the epicenter of one of these conspiracy theories always has all of these extra powers and extra intelligences and abilities that don't really fit in with the conspiracy theory. They're just awesome in every way. Yeah. I mean, if I was going to make a conspiracy theory, though, I'd do the same thing. I'm not going to write about how much of a loser I am.
Yeah. But again, if you were trying to be more credible, you would try and write yourself as a flawed character. Well, that was mean. If you were being honest, Jackson, you'd write yourself as a giant fucking loser. If you were being honest.
Andrew was involved in eight different types of different distinct time travel. Most were in development and experimental and very dangerous. One of these methods of time travel was called remote viewing, essentially using the mind to astral projective, psychically observed distant locations of times. I feel like if Andrew was still around in the current era of TikTok and stuff, he'd kill it as a TikTok witch. Yeah.
There was also the method called astral travel, where they were physically spun around on a circular table at a rate of 33 rotations per minute. That's a specific detail. This was primarily used to train the individual to go out of the body and into the astral realms, a process described as being similar to lucid dreaming. Have you ever lucid dreamed? Never. I've tried. What have you done to try?
I don't know. I just looked up Google how to lucid dream. What a concerted effort. I did it for a few nights and then forgot about it. Your effort of trying was just thinking really hard before bed, I want to lucid dream. Yeah, that is one of the steps, yes. No, you got to do stuff, don't you? You got to train yourself. Apparently, the way to lucid dream is that you train yourself that every time you leave a room...
you flick the lights on and off, and then that becomes a trigger in your dream that when you're leaving the room, you flick the lights on and off. And if you look up at the ceiling, like the light kind of just stays the same, even though you're- Isn't that the inception thing where like if you spin the spinning top and it falls over, then you know you're in the dream? Or it doesn't fall over, then you know you're in the dream? Yes. Yeah. Some kind of triggering effect like that. Anchored object. Anchored object. Yes. Have you guys tried-
I haven't tried it, but I feel like I have lucid dreamt before. You know what I have had though? And it is the most terrifying thing ever is a sleep paralysis. I've had it several times now where I'll just wake up still in like a dreamlike state, uh,
But I'm kind of aware that I'm asleep, but I'm just paralyzed in real life, like screaming at myself to wake up as like some out of body experience happens, essentially. It's like being, I don't know how to describe it really, but it's like being paralyzed and trying to wake up at the same time.
Oh, yeah, it is not pleasant. You've had it as well? Yeah, but that is the only time that I ever lose a dream. I'm kind of aware that I am in sleep paralysis. I'm like, there's not really a ghost fingering me at the moment. I hope not. It's not really happening. I hope. Maybe they are. Maybe. Yeah, maybe that's what sleep paralysis is. You are just seeing into the spiritual dimension and getting fingered by a ghost. Possibly. Possibly.
I don't want to know about the spiritual world if there is one. Neither do I. I'd be too terrified. But that's always the case, isn't it? I don't know. Do you feel like that? When you guys are in sleep paralysis, do you sort of know? Yes. Well, yeah, for sure. I know, but it's still scary. Like, I know when I'm watching a horror movie, it's not real, but it's still fucking scary. It's still scary. Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Kira, what about you? Have you experienced either of those things? No, never.
Yeah. Never had one.
You have the best sleep. You sleep so well. I'm always so jealous of your sleep. And also the fact that whenever you wake up, you have beautiful, pleasant girl dreams. You'll dream about going to the shops or something and getting your favorite product or drinking a nice tea or something. My dreams are so fucked up in comparison. My teeth are falling out and I'm desperately trying to keep the teeth in my mouth. I've dreamt that my teeth are falling out before.
But most of my dreams are some sort of strange variation on real life. There was that one really cool dream where I dreamt that I was walking a path near my parents' house and it just suddenly turned into this massive, like, arctic zoo. That was really cool. Why can't I have dreams like that? Yeah, that's right. Instead of getting slowly devoured by a giant spider constantly.
Fuck. So jealous. Jesus Christ. Slowly as well. It's not even quick. Yeah. No. I always, every time I have a weird dream, I always try to like research into like what the fuck is going on with my mind to come up with that shit. Like, what am I feeling? Apparently with the teeth falling out, it's a sign of like a fear of change or something like that or anxiety. It's always about change. Everything. There's never a sign that isn't about that.
Yeah, I would love to know what my dreams mean, but it's an unproven science, fortunately. Yeah, and on top of yours, yours are very abstract. There's nothing there. What are yours like? You can sort of do it if you just go to school and then you're just like, oh my God, I forgot my homework, and then you wake up and you forget your homework, you know, but yours isn't that. I don't have dreams anymore. Ever since I started getting into politics, this is my sleep routine. I go to sleep. Oh, that's a sad sentence.
It's horrible. This is my routine for going to sleep every night. It's thinking about someone that has personally wronged me and how much I hate them, and then I'm unconscious, and then I wake up, and I'm still thinking about that person that has wronged me and how much I hate them. Oh, God. Okay, that's interesting. So I dream about these horrible things, but you just live it. I just live the nightmare endlessly. You live the spider slowly eating you.
Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what it is. A slow spider eating you. It'd be so much better to have Kira's dreams where you're just like, oh, man, two for one chupa chups. That's sick. What is it? And then you wake up. It's so nice. I'm always so jealous of her when she wakes up. I'm like, I had another bad dream. She's like skipping off into the distance all happy, starting her day on a positive note. Meanwhile, I'm like rocking back and forth in my bed.
It actually makes me not want to sleep sometimes where I'm like, I don't know what my brain is going to conjure up tonight for me. All right. So another one of these devices in Project Pegasus was the Montauk. Montauk, I think it is. Montauk. Isn't there a cryptid called the Montauk Beast or something? That's also a cryptid, isn't it? I don't know. Look it up. Let's see. Is it?
The Montauk monster. Yeah, okay. Oh yeah, that's the one that was found on a beach. Yes, that's right. Yeah. Okay. There was also the Montauk chair. This chair looked like a dentist chair and it was apparently reverse engineered from an alien craft using magnetic transduction to project consciousness forward. Sorry, to project...
forward to future moments. He describes this as like living in the moment you were going to, not so much just viewing it. Unlike the past two, this was a more physical time travel. And then the other devices and creations were the chronovisor, which was originally discovered by Vatican researchers. Stargate,
for vast time-space jumps, plasma confinement chamber, which was a wormhole generating device that could embed travels in the past until the effect dissipated, and the jump room, which was a Lockheed Parsons collaboration creation for interplanetary teleportation, like from Earth to Mars. So the chronovisor was originally discovered by Vatican researchers. Why do they always, all these conspiracy theories always include the Vatican or like
Yeah, like the Pope and stuff. Have you noticed that? It's a big conspiratorial element. I love that. Isn't it?
It's great. So the primary device was the Tesla teleporter, though, and this was the device that Andrew first used that day with his father. Andrew described how they would need to scrunch up into a ball when throwing themselves through the teleporter, because if any part of their body didn't go through at the appropriate speed or angle, it would disappear. He recalled a time during a podcast appearance on Fade to Black with Jimmy Church where a boy he teleported to into Santa Fe with
This boy landed in a fountain, but because he landed in this three inches of water, it disrupted the teleportation process because of the gravity of the water being heavier. The boy's feet arrived a split second later to the rest of his body, creating an odd visual effect. But he did clarify and explicitly state, or sorry, he did not explicitly state that the boy suffered long lasting harm from the event, which is good. That's good.
So there's a lot of science, a lot of things that you have to account for when time traveling. Make sure you don't teleport into water.
Regardless. Regardless.
Regardless, he had no technical knowledge, but everything he says was gathered from things that he had observed during his time exploring the cosmos. The technology for time travel was different. He described it as more like using a sort of hologram. He explains it in an interview with Studio 10 around five years ago, that they would stand on a sort of stage and a cubicle hologram would form around them.
The time in the past or future that they wanted to go to would then need to be focused on by the person traveling. And then they would travel there, accessing it as what he called. Oh my God. This is what you were telling me about Kira. What he called a super liminal, super positional path position. To describe what he means there. And I wrote this part because I was trying to explore what the fuck this meant. So super liminal,
Yeah. Basically... Yeah, you understand this? It makes complete sense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm following. Yeah. Basically...
It probably means that state of amplified consciousness, so superluminal, would enable someone to exist across time points, superpositional, where they would then navigate the path for someone potentially making stuff up on the fly. It is impressive that he was able to come up with this word salad that I then spent 30 minutes trying to decipher what the fuck it meant.
Traveling into the past was described by Andrew as being, quote, like they were sending us to slightly different alternative realities on adjacent timelines. As these visits began to accumulate, I twice ran into myself during two different visits. The first time I was about seven years old and I saw myself sitting there looking back at me in a kind of eerie recognition.
I wonder if this is just like his version of sleep paralysis almost or lucid dreaming. Maybe he just had like really believable dreams that he has then tricked himself into believing in his like six-year-old delusions. Yeah, but it's like so much information. Was he dreaming for like six months straight? Well, I feel like if I had a really peculiar dream and then I convinced myself that it actually happened, I would then fill in the details around it, trying to make sense of it.
Like, if I genuinely believe that the dream was real, I would try to make it work. It's the thing that you always wonder with these people, isn't it? It's like, come on, what's really happening in your head? Yeah, how did you get here? What's really going on? How did you get here? What's going on? Do you know it's a lie? I wish I could create a device that would put me in the thoughts of someone else so I could experience their life and how they think of things and how they perceive things. It would be really cool.
There was another device of time travel he says that was called the Plasma Convirement Chamber created by Dr. Sterling Colgate.
The toothpaste guy? Is it? He made some toothpaste on the side. Yeah, that was a side project. Dr. Colgate was a nuclear physicist who also worked at LANAL and the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. Using this chamber, they would have to walk into radioactive plasma and essentially collapse into a wormhole for 30 minutes.
After this period of travel, they would then end up in the past. This is what he used to get Andrew to Gettysburg. They continued to develop these teleporter devices to be able to go into the future. One called Stargate sent Andrew all the way to 2045, which was as far into the future as he was able to get. But keep in mind, this was 50 years ago. So that was at the time, 100 years in the future.
God, that's scary. When he was in the 2040s, he would pick up data scrolls that would then be handed over to the government when he would travel back. So you're right. It basically is like the fucking thing where the guy just pops into the president's office and hands him a document and then vanishes through a portal. It is literally that. Well, he's saying it. He's saying it, so it must be true.
That's as good as an argument as any for this, really. Well, he's saying it. Honestly, it's the way that you have to go about this, isn't it? 100%. Is there people that are true believers of this guy? I did see comments of people saying, yeah, I believe him or he speaks so well and he's so articulate. Yeah, I absolutely 100% believe that there are people that genuinely believe him.
Because think about it. There are people that believe that the government have time travel abilities or projects related to time travel. 100%. There are people out there that 100% believe that that's a reality. So then they see this story and it confirms their inherent belief that the government has this technology. So then they use this as proof for that. Yeah, they have to believe it. Hmm.
Andrew said that when he left the project in 1972, he was tortured by needles being put up his spine, which brought on a bad headache while having to talk about everything he had experienced through the program for around four hours. He says this was their attempt to get him to forget about his experiences. Essentially, the headache would replace his memories of what happened.
They only tried for four hours. That was all they, like, he had all their secrets and they were like, yeah, we'll spend a half a day on- This is enough. Yeah. Erasing his memories. That's good enough. That keeps somebody who got tired of Bay Bay on suspicion for like 20 years. But this guy will give you some bad acupuncture and then you're free to go. For four hours.
Yeah, I mean, if this was actual reality, this guy would have been shot in the head by a CIA agent or, yeah, stuck in like a Guantanamo Bay forever. Yeah. Instead of, we'll let you go, but you have to promise not to talk about this incredibly fantastical adventure. And then he does talk about it and they do nothing. They're like, well, fuck. What are we going to do? Hey, I told him not to. Yeah.
The headache needles didn't work. They had no plan B.
It's silly because every time you ever say this to those people and then you say, well, why haven't you been assassinated yet? The answer seems to always be because if they keep me alive, I just seem like I'm a nut. But if I die, then they know that I'm telling the truth. But the thing is, it's very easy for the CIA to make something look like an accident. Like, yes, a lot of the time they can bung it up with a mysterious car exploding or something.
But, you know, it's not that hard to replace someone's aspirin with cyanide. I feel like Andrew is going to fake his death at some point. Like, we'll find his body with, like, acupuncture needles in his back and he's dead. Like, he's that dedicated to this story that he is going to, like...
you know, make his death in such a way that it confirms the story. So I wouldn't be surprised if we do eventually find his body in a way that insinuates CIA intervention. Yeah. I mean, this is his legacy. I'm impressed.
So Andrew's father had a heart attack at the age of 53 while he was at work. Andrew has pondered if it was due to his father's health or possibly a government hit as his father was more outspoken on what was happening behind closed doors with programs like Project Pegasus and he had pushed internally for it to be declassified. His poor dad didn't get the acupuncture treatment, he just got a bullet in the head or a heart attack. He got poked by the headache needles and it induced a heart attack instead. Unfortunate.
When he talks about his father, Andrew brings up an interesting topic. Andrew always knew his father to have gone gray by the age of 16, but there was a photo of him at 28 with dark brown hair. Andrew says that it could have been hair dye, but he truly believes it was a timeline issue to do with time travel. Gray hair Raymond, his dad, was the one from Andrew's timeline, whereas the one with dark brown hair was our timeline's one. So that's why there's that inconsistency.
with his memories and what photos we have of Raymond. Yeah, Raymond. Which, yeah, that makes sense. Okay, so you're going to love this section because it's got to do with aliens. So you can take this one. Travelling to Mars and Barack Obama? That's the chapter title, by the way, for the people in the audience. All right. Read it loud and clear because people need to know this information.
He visited Mars, and yes, there were aliens there. The goals for the Mars project were establish an extraterrestrial defence regime protecting Earth. Ten-year-olds are done with this. Okay. Create a basis for claiming US territorial sovereignty over Mars. Acclimate Martian humanoids and animals to human presence.
We've got to domesticate them. Yeah, that is kind of... Again, sending 10-year-olds on this mission, like a kid extraterrestrial defence regime protecting Earth? So when he was talking about all this, there were definitely other people involved on the program. I think the kids were essentially kind of used as delivery people and runners and stuff like that. For child labour. Yeah. Child labour. Okay. Yeah.
There were 10 teenagers in the Mars program. One Andrew, another man was named William B. Stillings. Again, not a made up name. Who? No, it actually isn't. That's a real person. It's a real person. And as you're going to find out, he entirely corroborates Andrew's stories.
I know. There's more people involved. It's been confirmed. Sick. Okay. Has also talked publicly about his time in the program and also apparently Barack Obama and also a woman named Regina Dugan. Is she real as well or is it just Obama? Possibly real. All of these four people are real. Andrew, William, Barack Obama and Regina Dugan are all real. Big calls.
On William B. Stillings, he exists public records suggesting that he was born around 1968 and has ties to technical education like ITT Technical Institute and records suggest possible work in biopharmaceutical or defense-related fields. In 2011, he went public and his accounts like Basiago's are extremely detailed and consistent with Andrews.
Andrew has said that he was a three-week- There was a three-week learning block in the summer of 1980 to teach and prepare them for trips to Mars. Oh, sick. That's summer camp. Yeah, Andrew and William just went to space camp, but they were too stupid to realize. And they thought they were actually on Mars, maybe. Andrew says that Obama went by the name Barry Sotoro.
which is consistent as from age six to 10, Barack Obama was registered at his Indonesian school at this name. Damn. There you go. He was actually, yeah, there's records showing that Barack Obama did go by Barry Totoro back when he was a child. But I mean, Andrew would have known this, obviously, just by doing a little bit of Wikipedia research. So,
This was during the 60s, a time when Barack was a child and when the program was active. For two years, the group would teleport to Mars by a jump room that was located in a building opposite to the Los Angeles airport. Andrew and William have both said that Obama definitely went to Mars twice, and they would see him a few times in the building outside these jump missions. Here's the quote.
I can confirm that Andrew D. Basiago and Barack Obama, using the name Barry Satoro, were in my Mars training course in summer of 1980. And during the time period of 1981 to 1983, I encountered Andy Courtney M. Hunt of the CIA and other Americans on the surface of Mars after reaching Mars via the jump room of El Segundo, California. And that was a quote from William Stillings. That's a quote from William Stillings. And who is William Stillings? Do we get into that?
Well, yeah, we basically did. I mean, there's not a lot of information known about him, but yeah, he does exist. There's public records that speak about him. He's his own distinct person separate from
uh andrew now if i wanted to take a critical angle of this it's possible that he's just a friend of andrew who's going along with it like they're two beer buddies basically like two two dudes who work at the same law firm or something and they're like hey we should make up a dumb story about time traveling and shit like that like obviously there could be some level of collaboration there about pranking this uh pranking everyone but
I mean, the way it's painted here... But to do so would require some kind of time-travelling device, which only further corroborates the story. Yeah, everything works out for them. Yeah, but he's real. He's real. He's absolutely real. He's a real man. And he does corroborate with detail everything that Andrew has said. Barry Satoro...
A student at Occidental College was in my Mars training class under Major Ed Dames at the College of Siskiyos. So many weird names. Siskiyos in Weed, California in 1980.
The fact has been corroborated by one of my other classmates, Brett Stillings, two years later when he was taller, thinner, more mature, a better listener, using the name Barack Obama and attending a different college, Columbia University. We crossed paths again in Los Angeles, and I didn't recognize him as the person that I had been trained with in the Mars program and encountered on the surface of Mars. In fact, doing so would be virtually impossible in any case because measures had been taken to block our lay dimensions of Mars.
shortly after we completed our training in 1980. That was Andrew Basiago on Barack Obama being in the Mars program. Okay. Well, that was...
without tracking on his previous statements. But still, another man who apparently trained with Andrew, Bernard Mendez, attempted to try and talk to Obama years later. According to Bernard, Barack only spoke through an intermediary, but Obama said that he remembered Andrew vividly, but all of his memories of the time with the program were fuzzy and dreamlike. Apparently, this was because they were using the American version of the Soviet leader device, which...
was an actual device created in the 1950s to alter brainwaves and block memories. Barack Obama told Bernard that once he left the office, he would tell the truth and admit to the world that the project exists, and yet he wussed out. Yeah, pussy. Yeah, that and the JFK papers. Yeah, they always backtrack. Very disappointing president. Yep. They always backtrack, don't they? Where's that made?
This man that promised through another man. When they made their first trips to Mars, it was traditional to do it solo. This was to make sure that they had- What a word, traditional. Like this had been like a generational operation. Yes, as was tradition. It had been in process for like two years. Of this highly experimental technology. Yeah. Yeah.
He wanted to make sure if they ever needed to do a full mission in the future on their own, they already had the confidence and ability to do so. When Andrew first jumped to Mars, he explained that he found himself in an elevator on Mars that came out of the ground from a skull-like structure. And then there's a picture of Andrew showing a skull from a NASA image of Mars. This is not one he originally arrived in, but one that is similar. But what the hell? Okay, for people watching, sorry, for listening to this,
It's a picture of Andrew Basiago pointing at a projector, projected images on a board. He's pointing to one image, a very grainy image of Mars. I cannot make any detail out about what he's pointing at, but I assume he's pointing to what he perceives to be a skull structure on Mars. And then the picture on the right is, I think, something he...
he kind of relates it to it's like another stone structure it's not the one that he's talking about it's not on mars he's just saying that it looked like this you see anything in the left picture this looks like a raw shark test or whatever the fuck they're called what the hell is that uh fuck did i say it right rush raw shark yes it's like the you know the uh it's like the inkblot tests you know like um the pictures of the moths oh okay yes all right do you remember those
I've seen other people in various cartoons do them. Yes, okay. So, yeah, I mean, it looks like that. It's just like a very blurry, grainy mess. Do you see anything there? To me, it doesn't... It's not like a complete skull. The two... The biggest black, like, dips in the surface that he's pointing at are the eyes. Are the eyes, okay. And the one underneath is the nose, and then the mouth is out of image.
That's what it looks like to me. Yeah, all right. I sort of see it now. Is it a structure? Is that meant to be a structure or is it a, like, those black holes, like, just craters on Mars? Because I can't tell. I don't know also why next to it is just some Afghani man's house. You'll read that in a minute. Oh, you'll read about that later? All right, well. Yeah, there's something like that later.
Well, furthering on, the skulls and heads on Mars, Andrew explains that they're used by Martians to identify access points to their underground civilization. His second trip was more eventful. After adventuring just under a kilometer from the skull, his team discovered a rock-like house structure. It had a door. It was even described as a screen door. Near the door, the structure was a man-like figure whose lower body was similar to a grub.
And was leashed up like a car dog. Was that some Martian racism from you, Kira? Grub man. That's exactly how he described it. Wow. Like a worm. No, no, like a bug. Like a little worm? Yeah, a grub. He's a bug. He's a little grub man that's tied up. He's human at the top and bug at the bottom? Like one of these. Has he drawn any pictures of this? No. Oh, like a witchedy grub, right? Yeah. Okay.
But how would he move? How would he walk if his body from the waist up was human and then from the bottom was just like a little witch that he grew up? Yeah, he just wriggles along. Can't you see this? It's very, very simple biodermatrix. Yeah, go on. I can see it, but I don't see why anything would have evolved that way. I don't know that either. What the hell? Like, just a really unimpressive centaur.
Exactly. It sounds like movement would have been impossible for it. Yeah, it's a dumb evolutionary defect. I'll give you that. It came at Andrew and his companion who confidently stepped forward to intimidate it. What? This worked. And the human grub mix turned around. This is great. This is so much better than the phrase centaur anyway. Human grub mix. Like it's a fucking breed of designer dog. Yeah. It turned around and began to wail.
Why? Because, what, two 10-year-olds stood their ground and then it started screaming in terror. Well, I mean, it's... And that's even more horrifying. I'd be more scared of that than it attacking me, being like... If the grub things started wailing for some reason. Yeah. And for very little reason, too. Yeah. There was... They also went to visit an American settler. Really? Yeah, there were ranches on Mars. Holy hell.
It's like a Futurama episode. Sitting out on a ranch. Incredible. It literally is like a Futurama episode. Farming grub men. It is. His companion had died, and it seemed like this settler was not doing well with canned goods. Really sprawled across the floor, and the team noted that the man was jittery and all over the place. Okay, so this farmer had the grub mix thing at his front door. As a guard dog. Yeah, guard dog.
Wait, were they breeding? Were the Martians entirely grub people and then this grub human mix was a byproduct of them crossbreeding? Yeah, see, this is very annoying that he really gleans over the grub man and man slowly turning insane that doesn't seem to have any access to oxygen.
that's why he's going insane extreme oxygen deprivation but we don't know because he's so scant on this part this is an important he goes into great detail about like uh you know just being like if you look here this this looks like a skull on mars that's that's in like he's going on about that forever um
He had one mission to Mars. He was given a floppy disk. Damn. Hide of technology from Rand Corporation, an American non-for-profit which does research services and public policy analysis, which he took to Mars. He described walking through what was like a shattered, broken, run-down city where he was tasked with taking that information to sustain telecommunications that had been placed into a brick building.
Here we go. That is so fucking, that is so detailed. We took a floppy disk from, he specifically names the corporation, describes why they wanted to do it, why they wanted to take this floppy disk, describes the building and like, that it was information that was needed to sustain the telecommunications grid, basically. It's so detailed. Isn't it? See, again, like you said, he put more detail into this part than the fucking grub humans. Into his delivery.
Yeah. He's basically just a physics worker. He's a consummate professional. That's where all of his focus was, not the human grub mix. Yeah. That whole time he's just like, I'm sorry, are you going to shine off on this fluffy dish? What? That's all you care about? He's going to make a Facebook post when he gets back about how people need to tie up their human grub mix dogs properly so that they don't annoy postal workers. Yeah.
He clarified he didn't know if it was an American brick building or a Martian one. The building is partially demolished, but an American technician had set up of around eight different devices. Andrew simply handed over the disk and that was his mission. Yeah. He wasn't paid to ask questions, damn it. On this mission, he saw children of an alien species who were in long black caftans and it was described as looking cute. Right. Weird. And they went to Mars. Yes. Yes.
They had to wear a respiratory device as well as having weapons on them at times of protection. They were told to avoid encountering any of the predatory species on Mars so as not to be eaten by them. Good advice. Andrew says these are the two main types of predators on Mars. Oh, okay. All right. So he's describing them. One is a plesiosaur-like creature that swims around in the sand, is it? Plesiosaur.
thick Loch Ness monster with teeth all the way down its throat, but it could not run very fast. But yes, but it's got flippers there, doesn't it? So it can't run. Again, why did it evolve? What was the biological reason for this thing existing? Surely it would have died out very quickly if it was a plesiosaur on land. Look, when it comes to the biology of Mars...
I feel like he should have borrowed off of Frank Herbert. Giant worms that dig around in the sand make sense, don't they? Maybe he hadn't read it. The Loch Ness Monster, now on Mars. It's not plausible when it's in Scotland. It's really strange for it to be up there. Yeah. The more lethal one was like a T-Rex. Okay, here we go. There we go. In the head. I'm in.
And a velociraptor body, which again, why would you evolve to have a really large head? And then a small raptor body. Yeah, a stupid bobble head. That's what you have. This guy, again, with the fiction, he literally probably just saw Jurassic Park and then he was like, yeah, those two dinosaurs are pretty cool. I'm going to combine them. Oh, this is unlocking some of my secret memories. Yeah.
The teenagers were told that if they were spotted by one of these, they were pretty much dead. And they had to try and run in zigzags to attempt to make these creatures disinterested in them. All right. Well, yeah, now he's borrowing from Crocs there, so that's all right. Yeah, crocodiles. Well, with the plesiosaur, that makes sense. But the T-Rex, if it has a velociraptor body, it has feet. So it will probably run pretty fast. Like if a cheetah was chasing you, you should probably run straight, right? To get as much distance as possible instead of zigzag.
Yeah, I probably think that a cheater would be very good at changing directions, unlike a crocodile that sort of wobbles around on land. Yeah. So I think if it's a thing well suited for running on land, your best bet is probably just running straight or pretending to be dead or something, as opposed to zigzagging.
The weapon they were equipped with was a photo ray gun. It was only to be used on small threats. Once fired, the gun would disintegrate the danger. Andrew mused in one of his talks that he was originally shown how it worked on a goat. Okay. Why only on small threats? He really did just watch Jurassic Park, didn't he? Yeah, I was going to say. I was going to say that literally just the goat from Jurassic Park. He literally just watched it.
Why only small threats, though? You've got fucking giant T-Rex Velociraptor hybrids out there and you give them a weapon that's only capable of taking out goats. I think because it wasn't strong enough. Okay, fair enough. Yeah, it was still in the development stage back then. Yeah, fair enough. Look, the small ray gun, again, I'm going to have to believe that part of it. The Grub Child, what are we in, guys? Yes or no? Did that exist?
Yeah, I'm down. Yes. Yeah, the Grub Child existed. I don't know about that one. Grub Child, absolutely. Here's a 50-50 on it. Much like the animal itself. Huh? I'm all in on the Grub Child.
You're all in on the grub, child. And then I think we're all in agreement that the velociraptor with a T-Rex's head, we're going to have to see some proof. No, I'm all in on that. I don't want to live in a reality where that isn't a thing. So 100% down for that.
It's just so stupid. It really doesn't sound threatening at all. It really sounds like it would break its neck very easily. That's what all these creations are. They don't make any sense in, like, genuine, livable things. Like, it seems like the kind of thing that if it existed, it would die immediately. Actually, all right, I'll give him this.
I'm assuming that gravity isn't as intense as it is on Earth. Oh, my God. Yeah. Wait, is it stronger on Mars or? I bet you it's weaker, surely. Isn't strength to do with the size of the planet? The density, right? Density. Okay. I don't know enough. It seems like it's weaker than Earth. Yeah. All right. All right. So the big head T-Rex thing exists. The pleasure you're sore.
I'm going to have to draw the line at that one. I just don't think there's enough water on Mars to sustain such a creature. Yeah, but again, if it's weaker, it could just kind of propel itself off the ground and float through the air and swim through the air, even. What's it eating? Plankton. I don't know. Plankton. Okay, well, all right. As long as we have an answer for it. The Grub Children. The Grub Kids. I don't know.
Andrew has described the three main different typologies of Martians on Mars. There's Homo Martiensis, or whatever. He's got some Latin name for it, so it must be real. There's a good chance I've spelled this wrong. Jesus Christ, Kira, you're really checking your facts here. But it did have the picture of Dr. Evil from Austin Powers doing his signature pinky to the mouth of Popes.
In the slideshow when talking about this one? When he was talking about it. So the name of this Martian wasn't on the slideshow, so I couldn't copy it exactly. He just said it. But to describe this alien, he had a picture of Dr. Evil. What does that mean?
That it looks like Dr. Evil? I'm guessing it looks like Dr. Evil. That's what I got from that information. It's just a planet full of grubs, dinosaurs and Mike Myers. Sounds awful. It does sound awful, doesn't it? It sounds really bad. Homo Martis Martis, the Indigenous Martians. Creepy and similar to Nosferatu, really, in the original silent film, but a touch more cute.
When he met one of these creatures, Andrew described as being quite kind and it even gave him a tour of where he lived. Okay. Nice Dracula.
The third one, he didn't give a name. God. See, it's really weird how at some points he does his homework and then in other ones he just totally skims it in. Yeah, he just stops. And he's talking about the more interesting aspects, which is, yes, I've contacted other sentient beings. There's the one that looks like Dracula, the one that doesn't look like Dracula, and, of course, the third one. Didn't give it a name.
But said that they looked more like your standard grey extraterrestrials. There we go. Yeah, it's very interesting. More if they were crossbred with a lemur. Just leave it at the grey. Why did you have to chuck that in? What's with his crossbreeding kink? Every single thing he's described so far. It looks like this mixed with this. Yeah. Even the velociraptor T-Rex. It is very interesting to see where he does stop giving details. Like where he just kind of gives up, like you said. Gives up, doesn't he? Yeah.
There was a limit to man's creativity. Sorry, either that or it's in the middle of another six-hour presentation deep in the depths of some other information that we missed. But in that one, he did not give a name for it. During one of Andrew's talks, he explained how himself, Brett and Bernard
have different explanations on how they were actually on Mars. Brett claims that they were actually there in real time, where Bernard believes that they experienced a synthetic quantum environment. Okay. All right. So there is dispute. There's drama between the chrononauts.
Andrew believes it was a mixture of both. They have provided different interpretations of their experiences to corroborate their theories. For example, Brett points to the fact that the Martian moons, Phoibos and Deimos, were in...
Correct positions, Bernard points to it needing to have been a simulation due to Mars' lack of ionosphere radiating the jump as otherwise. Andrew points to the fact that the jump from Mars to Earth took longer in 1981 than in 1984. And he says the first one took 20 minutes and the second one took eight minutes. He points to that this was proof suggesting that they had actually physically visited Mars due to Mars being closer to Earth in 1984 as opposed to 1981 due to the orbits.
Which one points to the simulation? So the first guy, Brett, points to the fact that the Martian moons were in the correct positions as proof that they physically visited Mars. But wouldn't that still be possible in a simulation? Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's not really good proof, Brett. At least there's some logic behind Andrews. I guess, yeah. Andrews makes sense.
Even Bernard's makes sense. Like they weren't, they didn't like get radiated or whatever. Yeah. It had to be a simulation. Yeah.
I don't know why we're talking about this seriously. All right. So the proof, if you can believe it, there isn't much proof to back what Andrew and the others have claimed besides one strange photo. The photo is of Lincoln at Gettysburg in November, 1863, which Andrew said he went back to, or sorry, he went to
which Andrew said he went back in time to, there we go, at the age of 10. So we're going to put this up on screen right now with a big giant red arrow pointing directly at what Andrew claims is himself as a 10-year-old child back in the Gettysburg Address. Andrew claims that to fit in, he wore a Union winter parka. When he got there, he lost his shoes due to the nature of time travel. Warning, you may lose your shoes during time travel.
He says he continued on to Gettysburg where he came across a man named John Burns who gave him a pair of shoes after seeing how cold he looked. Since the shoes were from a grown adult man, they were way too big. He points to this along with the boy's modern stance as in how the boy was standing in the photo and the blurry face of the boy in the photo as undeniable proof that it is him because the reason his head is blurry is due to the nature of time travel.
But everyone else's head is blurry. Yeah, I was going to say, literally everything in this picture is blurry. It's an old fucking photo from the 1800s. Like, everything is blurry here. Alright, but... These shoes are big. For whatever reason, time travel makes your head blurry. In photos. In photos. In photos.
And it's undeniable proof that it's him because he claims that someone gave him big shoes. Yeah, and also he was, like, everyone else is standing all old-timey-like, whereas he's leaning back all cool with his 60s modern stance. Oh, is that right? So that's how it's modern. Yeah, that's how it's modern. All right. Andrew claims that the CIA in the 1970s confirmed that the boy in the image was him, but there is no evidence of this.
And this is a quote from Andrew on the image. And again, remember that this is the only proof other than, I guess, the substantiated claims between the three people who have gone public about this story, which isn't really proof, but you know, whatever. This is his quote, Andrew on the image. I had been dressed in period clothing as a union bugle boy. I attracted so much attention at the Lincoln speech at Gettysburg wearing oversized men's street shoes that I left the area around the dyes.
And walked around a hundred paces over to where I was photographed in the Josephine cog image of Lincoln at Gettysburg. And yeah, that's about it in terms of the proof. Okay. Yeah. Is that good enough for you? It's good enough for me. I don't need photos of Martian grub men. This picture of him at the Gettysburg address. You need that. That corroborates everything else. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
We come to the final part, what Andrew is now up to after the time traveling. So Andrew announced that he was running for presidency at the end of 2015. He says that through his previous time travel expeditions, he has seen that he will be either president or vice president anywhere between 2016 to 2028.
So I guess in three years we will know if he was lying or telling the truth. There is a limit to... Wait, isn't it already over? Because Trump is president until 2028 now. I think there's one more. He's still somehow magically become president or vice president. Yeah, he's kind of like... He would have to be... The entire state of the union or whatever would have to die mysteriously. But he'd have to potentially take over. Maybe. Maybe.
I guess he could be elected in 2028, though. The 2028 election, and then it would count. So yeah, this next election is make or break for this. That's when we will know. Also, the fact that this time traveler doesn't have an exact date for when he would potentially be president. Yeah, but everything else is so precise. Yes. Everything else is perfect. According to information on a website, he has not run for president since 2016. So I guess he called in the towel in the 2020 elections.
You realise that wasn't his year? Yeah, he's just waiting it out to 2028. Biting his tongue. Honing his lines. He didn't throw his hat in the ring on the 2020 or 2024 elections. He knew that that was wasted.
This is a quote on him running for president in 2016. I entered public life as a whistleblower, describing my experience in DARPA's Project Pegasus in the early 70s, which was the US time-space program at the time of the emergence of time travel. That truth campaign was motivated by a moral duty that I felt I had to describe what happened so that millions of dollars aren't wasted reinventing the wheel in terms of time travel. In the process, I thought, well, why don't I go for the top job in time travel?
If I'm talking about this stuff and if my ideas and my information would be truly transformative, why not just run for president? Try to have a larger impact. At least if I don't win, I'll have a wider audience. That doesn't sound like the words of a man who knows he's going to be president due to time travel, by the way. Yeah, it contradicts it. Yeah, I know. It sounds like a man who's unsure of his future, let's say.
But anyway, I thought this would be a good topic for you specifically, Jordan, since you are a political man. You commentate on Australian politics in Australia online. So we've got a list here of Andrew's policies, his policy proposals. If you want to read through them and then give them a rating based on your political expertise, if you would vote for this man.
All right. Disclosing secret advanced technologies. Who could disagree with that? Except anyone in the intelligence arena slash development slash anyone that is working on a top secret project. Anyone working on those projects. There is probably a good reason that they are secret. Yeah, but... Other than that, yes.
10 out of 10 for me. 10 out of 10 for me. Like as a person who's not involved, 100%. The truth must be known. And I'm sure there's going to be no, yeah, there can be no gray area to this either. All of it must be disclosed regardless. Well, he says here, so for 70 years, the US government has been concealing advanced technologies because they might be socially, economically, or technically disruptive in nature. These technologies include the teleportation technology, which we talked about, but they also include cancer cures and things like that.
So that's a 10 out of 10 for me. Like, if he's running on the position or the platform of making all that public, sure thing. 10 out of 10. Sure thing. All right, but is he still... You're seriously going to argue against cancer vaccine... cancer cures being not released? No, and I'm sure they absolutely are withholding those from us. I do need to get that on the record. But I also...
But I also just think it's so blanket to say, yeah, yeah, everything, everything that the government's working on, get it all out there. Show the world. But isn't this what Trump did as well? Like he said, when I get in office, I'm going to release everything, absolutely everything. And then he got in office and we still don't have- And released absolutely nothing. Yeah, I mean- Oh, no, then he did release JFK papers. He did, yeah. But where are the Epstein files again? They're out yet? Yeah.
Yeah, so that's one out of three, I suppose. He's doing better than other presidents. One out of three ain't bad. Even though I'm pretty sure nothing's going to come out of those JFK papers because isn't it just boxes and boxes and boxes of just being like, Margaret claims that she saw the president's head explode. Bill was ordering an ice cream at the time and therefore did not see the president's head explode. Like, it's just them interviewing people that were there. But we'll see. Yeah.
Admitting how time travel affected the presidency. All right, well, how could you be against this? Time-space age began in 1970 when DARPA's Project Pegasus modified the Tesla teleporter. At the time, the bias in the government was against playing God and quantum engineering a future based on a prior knowledge to it. However, one exception to this doctrine was made when it was decided that future presidents should be told of their presidencies.
Okay, yeah, so that is one of his... He wants that disclosed. Wait, so he says here as well, the president should ask presidents Bush, Clinton, Bush, and Obama to tell the truth to the American people and admit that they were given poor knowledge. So that's the policy? That's the policy? You just say, tell the truth to Clinton? But he's also saying... What the fuck?
But this president who's elected would have to have been pre-warned or given knowledge of their presidency already as well. Yeah. Including himself. Which he did. Oh, God, this is getting confusing. 10 out of 10 anyway. 10 out of 10 anyway. I'd vote. Protecting the Sasquatch species. Yep. That's great. The Sasquatch exist. Sasquatch exist. This is his campaign. Okay.
I would vote for him over more than Kanye West, though. This guy? Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I mean, at least he has some experience with the law. True, yeah. Actually true. God damn it, I just forgot that this guy was an actual professional lawyer for 20 years or whatever. And this guy does have a better policy platform than Kanye West, which was nothing as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, I mean, he didn't have any cool slideshows on Sasquatch. No. No.
I did not know that Theodore Roosevelt claimed that he saw a Sasquatch. There you go. I love the end of this slide. That's the best piece of evidence that I've seen. Huh? I love the end of this slide about his policy on the Sasquatch. It says the president should protect the Sasquatch by putting them on the endangered species list. Yeah. As he should. As he should. Ten out of ten.
10 out of 10 policy. They're all quite inconsequential policies, really, aren't they? Apart from the first one, which is extremely consequential. Yeah. These two here so far is just like, yeah, why not? If you want to do that. Well, the next one is pretty consequential, especially in the modern era. Promoting egg consumption as a development tool? Eggs are getting expensive. It's the opposite of what Andrew wanted, by the way. The modern era is the opposite of what Andrew wanted.
Yeah, they've always got weird theories about health, don't they? Well, just eggs. Why is eggs such a common topic in politics at the moment? It has been forever. National literacy rates are directly correlated with national rates of daily per capita egg consumption. Really? Is that true? Wait, so he says national-
The goal should be one egg per person per day. Sorry, vegans. What did you say, Kira? I said, sorry, vegans. Yeah, dumb vegans. No. Well, they're not able to read. Honestly, I'm weirded out by this policy the most because it's just so left of field. He's never talked about it once. I don't know if there's any evidence that correlates to this.
Yeah, is there- It's just a really strange one to chuck in. Hey, commenters out there, leave some comments below about if this is true. If you've noticed an increase in your intelligence upon eating one egg per day. Disclosing the secret US presence on bars.
Mars has been visited by US personnel for more than 50 years. In America's presence on Mars remains shrouded in official secrecy. Okay, so it's more disclosure. Disclosuring the truth about NASA's lunar program. What has he got to say about this? More disclosure.
In 1961, President Kennedy set our national space goal of landing the man on the moon, but the lunar program remained shrouded in a mystery that it should not possess. The president should answer basic questions that Americans have about NASA's lunar program. These questions include, did we land men on the moon or were the lunar landings hoaxed? And if so, why? Did extraterrestrials observe the lunar landing?
Did the astronauts find artifacts on the moon? Why, after going to the moon, did we not return to it? But you did, though, didn't you? Like six times. Yeah. Also, what's funny about this is, like, he's like, I went to Mars, but he's drawing the line at us going to the moon. Like, that's too far- Yeah, what the hell? I didn't even think about that. I went to Mars, but it's not possible that humans went to the moon. I don't believe it. It was a hoax. No, that's a lie. Yeah.
Achieving teleportation-based transport. Now that's a transportation policy. That's what I could get behind 100%. Imagine if we could just teleport anywhere. God, it'd be so good. Yes. And on the off chance that this man holds the key, we should elect him in 2016. I'm down. I am absolutely down to elect him just to see what happens, honestly, at this point. Yeah.
Just to see how many of these promises he can fulfill. There's going to be a lot of executive orders, maybe even more than Trump. Honestly. So many. This next one's a good one. I did not see this one coming. Protecting the human beings of the sea. I don't know why they're in inverted commas, but recently India declared that dolphins are non-human persons and banned public shows involving dolphins.
I've long held that might be described as the humanity of dolphins to be recognized under international law. It's weird. He is a sensitive man, isn't he? He's fighting for the rights of dolphins on his presidential platform where he talks about eggs. And this guy is a professional lawyer. Again, he's fighting for people's civil cases and stuff, probably. It's really strange. Dude, if I found out my lawyer was operating this on the side, I'd be terrified.
Oh, totally. Wouldn't you? Yeah. The president as commander in chief can order the United States Navy to hold all oceanic technological activities that kill, injure, torture, or use the dolphins as weapons of war. Where? He is a sensitive man. It's so strange because he is, isn't he? I can get behind that. Usually presidential platform has a lot to do with, you know, something about economic management, something about trade. Yeah, that's usually one.
Something about education, something about healthcare. So far his healthcare policy seems to be eat more eggs. Yeah.
His transportation policy is time travel, which is sick. Yeah. The egg thing is dumb, but it is literally the only thing on this list that is probably an actual- Seems achievable. Yeah. Believable policy to have. Like, hey, eat more eggs so that people are healthier. Yeah. Or whatever. And his environmental policy is purely to protect dolphins and sasquatches. Right.
Why them specifically? Why dolphins? They say octopus are meant to be smarter than dolphins, right? Are they? I think so. They're meant to be really smart. Surely they're not smarter than dolphins. I reckon they're probably smarter than a dog. Dolphins are pretty damn intelligent. I mean, there is theories that certain whales have a more broad vocabulary than we do. And they're pretty damn close to that.
I'm looking it up now. Dolphins are considered to be more intelligent. Okay, interesting. I did base that entire assumption of octopus being smarter just due to the fact that they can get themselves out of really tight situations. Like you see them getting themselves out of little jars all the time. You've seen those videos? Yeah, it's crazy. Wait, wait, so that's why they're smarter? Yeah, dolphins can't do that. Yeah, dolphins can't do it.
I think they're pretty similar, though. They're very smart. Yeah, I think they're definitely intelligent. Okay, and the final one. Out with mainstream media and in with alternative media. Oh, no. Yeah, I wonder why. That's incredibly predictable. The mainstream media is incompetent in its reporting about the president and true history. True history.
Fake news. True history. That's so much better than fake news. It is. Yeah, yeah. It's a sensitive take on it. True history. He doesn't focus on the negatives. He focuses on the positive that there is true history. In 2011, I revealed that President Obama was a participant in the Mars Jump Room program. So good that that's true history. And that we are- He's writing this! He thinks that! Yeah.
And we had three fellow participants available to be interviewed about this fact. Yet in the last five years of the Obama presidency, not a single member of the mainstream media sought to interview any of us. Who is Serbs. That's why they've got to go. Highly incompetent. Serbs advised jump-rope program about Obama's involvement. True history was lost. As president, I will work through the alternative media to communicate with the American people. Ugh.
Damn, dude. See, that's my big gripe. Like my entire career, I've been sitting there railing against the mainstream press. And I thought like the glorious day would come when we finally got our news from Instagram influencers. And now that that day has come, I really miss the mainstream media.
Yeah, I mean, when you decentralize it and put it in the hands of people, media, it's obviously going to just be corrupted by a lot of individual pursuits and crazy people. Media needs to have some level of institutionalization and rules to it, surely.
for it to be legitimate. You summed it up pretty damn well, Jackson. I mean, look, there is a reason that this man is seeking to destroy mainstream media and only communicate through alternative media.
Yeah. It's because, you know, it's because he's being silenced by the government faults and there are many. They're not interviewing this man. He is pointing out the reason that it is better than the alternative media. To be fair, though, I do want to interview him. I want him to come on the show and talk to us. I think that would be very entertaining. Absolutely. Yes.
We can be your alternative media format, Andrew DiBiaseago. We want to hear about Sasquatch rights as well as egg consumption, dolphins, Martians, all of it. We love it.
God, it's really good just going back and looking at the same reassuring smile of every single one. Because you have to understand, I don't know if they're going to have these images propped up, but what Kiryu has found is quite phenomenal. This is, it really does look like an ad,
for a lawyer that you see in the newspaper of them talking about, you know, do you need a compensation case run? Yes. It's like one of those. It's like he's got the exact same pose of it. It has that nice, authoritative, deep blue in the background. The writing looks, if you didn't read anything on that paper, it looks very authoritative. It's incredible. It's professional. Isn't it?
Again, he has his air of legitimacy and professional and, you know, articulation to him that you just don't find in other conspiracy theorists. So strange.
He's so... I love him. I love him. So on his website, he announced that he was taking a sabbatical from his work in law to write his long-awaited memoir. There are no dates saying when the sabbatical was, but he said that the book was going to be released in 2011 under the title Once Upon a Time in the Timestream, My Adventures in Project Pegasus at the Dawn of the Time Space Age. Jesus. A long title. He needs to work on that one. It has not yet been released, though, 14 years later. We're still waiting.
When it releases, though, I want that shit to fly to the top of the charts. That needs to be like a... What do they call the charts in books? Fuck, what's it called?
Bestsellers list? Yeah, but there's a specific list that I'm thinking of. New York Times bestseller? Yeah, New York Times bestseller. That's it. Yeah. Doing some digging on his Facebook page, which he himself has not actively posted on in years, someone asked him when his book is coming out. He replied through someone else. Kira wasn't able to find out who this was, but she's seen him reply through a few people. Quote, I do not know when the books are coming out. I completed eight books in 2020. What?
Jesus. Including one with 300 chapters on Project Pegasus, but there was a complication with my medical benefits. When I either get a kidney or an artificial kidney, I should be able to publish the books I have written, but not until then. Okay, so he's holding his eight books hostage until he gets his artificial kidney. He's eating too many eggs. It's poisoned his kidney.
Recently, Andrew has not been as active in his truce campaign in recent years beside the odd podcast. There is no information about Andrew's family, potential partners, or possible kids. That blew me away because he has been talking for like 20 years straight about this stuff and doing interviews on alternative media websites. It's surprising. Yeah, it's incredible that you can't find any relatives online. No one with the same last name or anything. He's a ghost. He basically is just like...
What we've just talked about. That's all that you can find online about him other than his law career as well. Yeah, it's very odd. Andrew would be 63 years old today, but the lack of obituaries, news reports, or public statements about his death suggest that he's still with us. Or perhaps...
Or perhaps he has time traveled to a different point in time. And that's why we haven't heard from him in a while. Maybe he's gone to a different point in time. We'll end up, we'll end up on this quote from him.
I think this sums it up pretty succinctly. I just recognize that the truth ultimately prevails. I recognize that some people view me as a liar or as crazy or they're envious that they were not involved, but I'm simply sharing what happened to me. I'll get a certain amount of disbelievers, but I'll also get a certain number of believers. End quote. He's a positive man. I...
I respect him. I don't know. You know what? I believe him. How about that? I believe him. What harm does it do me believing him, Jordan?
You know what? Honestly, absolutely nothing. Exactly. If anything, it just makes a man that has given us all a bunch of joy in life a little bit happier. Exactly. Exactly. It's so inconsequential, me believing this. It's not going to impact anyone other than Andrew Basiago knowing that he's touched someone.
That was a poor phrasing. Touched my heart. Yeah. I just, I want to believe. I get why people believe in conspiracy theories because it does make life so much more interesting and colorful. Do you think that that's the reason? Yeah. Do you think that it's just people are kind of bored? Yeah. Life is too boring. It's cool to feel like you know something that other people don't know as well. Like you see through the matrix. Yes. And it's the most important thing in the world.
Yeah. Why do you believe in aliens, for example? Is it because you actually genuinely believe in it or do you think that it's fun to believe in? And so you feel more biased towards believing it? It's definitely a combination of the two. It's like, look, I have learned from doing my show that people that are skeptical about it even have the same kind of reaction that we have to this guy here.
Like, I want you to believe. Yeah, I want to believe. It's fun to think about it. There's definitely that element to it. Yeah, is there anyone out there who doesn't want to believe? Yeah, I know. That's a boring person. That's a sad person. If you told someone this and they're like, no, I don't want to believe that. I don't want to believe it. Yeah, that's... That's like something you say to, like, a bad medical diagnosis, not aliens existing. Yeah, totally. But also, I think that it's like...
So my major thing is that, like, when you look at the general talking points that people have about the existence of aliens, it's usually things like, yes, I think that there's intelligent life out there. I just don't think they've come here. And then if you think about that for, like, a little bit longer, it's kind of like, but why? Why wouldn't that? Like, if people are kind of at the point, because this is something that I came across when I was doing the show, right?
In our lifetime, the point used to be, I don't think that there's anything out there. And then our telescopes got so advanced that we saw tens of thousands of planets that are potentially habitable that now the talking point is, yes, but I just don't think that they've come here. But to me, it just seems kind of like,
statistically more likely the other way around if you're just purely looking at that, that they would have at some point just like seen to drone or a sonar to just be like, ah, yeah, they're pretty dumb and then just fuck off again, you know? I mean, if there were aliens that were capable of...
Now we're talking about aliens, but if there were aliens that were capable of traveling across the galaxy, surely the implication there is that they, A, have the technology available to them to detect life on other planets, surely. And B, also inherently have the curiosity that would drive them to then visit that life. I mean, we would if we had that ability. Yes, we would.
Anyway, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So you would do that. So look, my point is that unlike this guy who's making very, very definitive statements when it comes to the experiences that he definitely had, which seemed to, you know, amazingly coincidentally include Barack Obama doing Mars missions and seeing these giant headed T-Rex. It's like, these are all very definite statements, you know?
I think that if you're ever going to go into the conspiracy world, you really want to be looking at those conspiracies. I'm telling you, there's nothing like it. There is nothing like the UFO one because it's all kind of like, look, there is this document here. The government said that this, like, program didn't exist, but it did exist for 80 years. There's nothing definitive about it, but there's nothing, like, exclusionary about it either. It's always just a bit open and in the air and kind of like, maybe, I don't know. There's nothing else like that.
It's fun. I don't know. You guys have been doing this one for a lot longer. Have you ever come across something that's like, usually it seems to go down this path. Oh, what do you mean? It's something that's just sort of up in the air and kind of like, I don't know. Like, it genuinely makes you question it? It genuinely makes you question it.
I mean, UFOs actually is just genuinely the best example of that for sure. Isn't it? Because there are so many questions surrounding it, so many possibilities. And I mean, it's certainly possible. Whereas everything else, there are pretty concrete biases behind why people create different species in the first place. And it's very hard to turn off your brain completely.
You turn your brain off to those facts and try to take it at face value. I mean, look, I'll give credit to us three in this one. I think all three of us were trying to do that with these. Yeah, 100%. I still, I am turning my brain off. I believe him. God damn it. Stop taking that away from me. Stop trying to bring me back to reality.
There's no harm in it. You should really listen to his talks because they are good. He's a good storyteller. Yeah, even if it's not true, he's an entertaining figure. Also, the friendliness of it. Do you think Barack Obama is sitting out there? He's handed two conspiracy theories. Which one do you think he prefers? The one talking about all of this or the one where they're criticizing him and saying that he was born in Africa and shouldn't be allowed to run for president or whatever?
You know, those kinds of conspiracies. Like, this is inherently just a fun one. It's fun. It's fun to think that Barack Obama was space traveling at the age of 10. Yeah. That's not negative. He refuses to reveal the truth, not because he can't, but because he's a coward. I hate when conspiracies turn, like, actually unhealthy. Like, the whole, you know, Sandy Hook conspiracy is about it not being real. Like, the Alex Jones kind of shit.
But these ones, I fucking love. I could look into this stuff all day and talk about it all day. It's so much fun. Alright. You know what? One sec before we go. Before we wrap. You know what I think will be one where you're going to have little threads where you think, oh my god, they were right. What I think? Q.
I reckon Q is going to, that's exactly what you're talking about with like Alex Jones conspiracies and things. They're sort of just based off of QAnon. Like it'll be based off of some platform of some government decision. You know, I think that's the same thing. Well, what do you mean? It'll be, it's like, you know how this guy just starts off with, you know, this was part of like the DARPA program or something. Yeah.
I think that when it comes to Q, much like when it was with Alex Jones, it'll be much more detailed along that path. Like they will have a bunch of government agencies that they know about, you know? So that gives it a shred of legitimacy? It gives it a shred of legitimacy, you know? Doesn't that already exist? Isn't that already the QAnon stuff? Like they already point to stuff like that, I thought.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, like, in Red Thread, we should do that one day. Because if you want to talk about a conspiracy theory that truly did shape the world, like, that did that. Yeah. QAnon has political power behind it. This guy, as we can plainly see, tried to get political power. This guy should have political power behind him. Should have. The world is cruel. The world is cruel and unfair. LAUGHTER
Think of... If only dolphins could vote. Yeah. All right. That's going to do it for this episode of Red Thread. Kira, thank you very much for joining us yet again. And thank you for your wonderful work on the document. Really do appreciate it. Kira does an incredible job writing all this and researching it. Yeah. Good job. And then we ruin it by... Yes, we do. ...dicking around throughout the entirety of it. But if you want to see the document, it's in the description below, linked below.
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