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254: From a "Fair" Relationship to Radical Generosity - the 80/80 Marriage with Kaley and Nate Klemp

2021/11/30
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Nate Klemp: 我们最初以为婚姻会像童话故事一样轻松继续,但事实并非如此。在婚姻几年后,我遭遇了严重的自行车事故,这让我身心俱疲,我们开始为公平与否而争吵,最终意识到问题的核心是如何在平等和相爱的基础上维持婚姻。我们花了15年时间探索这个问题,并最终写成此书,希望能帮助其他夫妻。 80/20模式的婚姻中,一方负责维持关系,另一方则较为轻松;这种模式在过去有一定优势,因为双方目标一致,但随着女性获得更多机会,这种不公平的模式开始受到质疑。50/50模式旨在追求公平,但实际上难以实现,并导致更多冲突。80/80模式倡导主动付出,超过公平份额,从慷慨的角度出发,而非斤斤计较。许多婚姻问题源于潜意识的习惯,只有提高觉察力,才能打破50/50模式下的怨恨循环,并抓住机会转变为慷慨模式。 婚姻需要双方共同努力,将个人目标与团队目标结合,明确团队目标(例如,我们团队的名字是Kajona),有助于做出更佳的决策。为了避免团队模式下不健康的权力动态,需要坦诚沟通,揭示真实的感受,即使是不舒服的感受。80/80模式并非要求完全的团队一体化,个人仍然保留独立的兴趣和目标。即使伴侣不愿意参与80/80模式,主动付出的一方也需要反思自身行为,看看自己是否在无意中阻碍了关系的转变。区分犹豫的伴侣和不愿意的伴侣的关键在于伴侣对改变的意愿和好奇心。 大多数性问题实际上是生活问题,性生活是日常生活中各种情绪和冲突的反映。性生活中的权力失衡通常源于性欲差异,解决方法是制定计划,而非依赖自发性。坦诚沟通,分享生活中的所有体验,包括积极和消极的,有助于增进亲密关系。积极的互动、欣赏和坦诚沟通,有助于建立牢固的关系基础,应对冲突。改变关系动态需要改变沟通方式、接受混乱以及明确角色分工。在80/80模式中,坦诚沟通是解决角色分工中出现问题的重要方法。许多夫妻对角色分工缺乏清晰的界定,这往往导致不平等,而主动明确角色分工,能带来诸多益处。 Kaley Klemp: 即使在80/80模式下,也会有感到沮丧或冲突的时刻,但并不意味着要放弃这种模式,而是需要重新审视和调整。即使倡导80/80模式,也会有想要放弃的时刻,这时需要明确优先级和界限,并坦诚沟通。在80/80模式中,明确优先级和界限至关重要,这有助于应对外部压力,维护关系的稳定和健康。

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It's easy to talk about being generous in your relationship - but how do you actually put it into practice - especially when things feel unfair or out of balance? If you're stuck in fighting for fairness in your relationship, it's time to learn a new way of being together where shared success becomes the rule - not the exception. Today we're talking with Kaley and Nate Klemp, authors of "The 80/80 Marriage - A New Model for a Healthier, Stronger Relationship." You'll get practical steps to foster radical generosity in your relationship.

As always, I’m looking forward to your thoughts on this episode and what revelations and questions it creates for you. Please join us in the Relationship Alive Community) on Facebook to chat about it! Also, see below for links to our other episodes with Stan Tatkin.

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Neil Sattin: Let's just start maybe with you're revealing a little bit of your personal journey, if you don't mind, getting a little vulnerable with, how did 8080 come to be for the two of you?

Nate Klemp: Yeah, well, I guess it starts in high school actually, so Kaley and I grew up in the same town, and we met our senior year of high school, we were in chemistry class together, and we actually dated a little bit in high school, and then we both went to the same college, but broke up pragmatically and got back together seven years later, and it was almost like a fairy tale, Instagram-worthy story where we got back together in our early 20s, we got married, and we went into marriage thinking that the momentum of that perfect story, that fairy tale was just going to effortlessly continue and it didn't... Not at all. In fact, a couple of years in the marriage, I had a serious bike accident, which left me in a position of both having very little energy to work and complete Life's tasks, but also in a pretty serious depression, experiencing a lot of anxiety, and all of a sudden we were thrust into this conversation really more of a conflict over What is or isn't fair, and we started to see that for us and for most couples, we saw eventually that the fundamental thing we were grappling with is how can we be equals and in love, and that seemed to be a totally vexing question that we just could not answer in our marriage. So we really spent the then 15 years, we've been married for almost 16 years now, trying to answer that question, both for ourselves and then with this book for other couples.

Neil Sattin: Yeah, and when you talk about how to be equals and be in love, that makes me think of what you mentioned in the initial part of your book where you talk about moving from what you call the 80/20 model of relationship into 50/50 relating, and then of course. You're making a case for the 80/80 model of relating. So yeah, can you describe what we're talking about, just kind of in simple terms, what's a 80/20 relationship... What's a 50/50 relationship? And where are we headed with 80/80?

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