Pro cyclist Kerry Werner of Kona joins hosts John Carlin and Dan Lucas for episode 4 of the Rider-Up podcast. Kerry shares stories from the trail, gravel and 'cross events he's done around the world, while we mortals pick his brain abut what ti takes to be, just so well - awesome! Kerry is also a fantastic video producer, and he talks about some the ways he's created content for his YouTube Channel.

And as a top level gravel racer -- he answers the question about where the gravel scene is headed!

As usual Dan gives his tips from the shop on one of those tools the pros use, that you probably don't -- but could if you just knew what to search for on Amazon. And an update on Dan's youth Downhill team -- which is crushing it!