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Welcome back, Rammies. Another month, another nostalgic moment, another week. Wow. Wow. I mean, I hope you guys enjoyed the start of it because Lord knows it's all going to be a wild ride. It really is. It really is. How's it going, Tess? It's good. We've had a busy, another busy, productive week. We're just like,
So busy, you guys. Working, working, working. Podcasting, always. Podcasting. No, but truly, I feel like we have just really been on top of our shit recently. And you should brag about that. You should honor those moments that we have momentum. I know. It really does feel good. I feel like with this podcast, it just is finally a moment of...
Really doing something you love and like seeing seeing people meeting new people in this community. It's just been amazing It's so true. And like we just we really have so much fun. I know and Events like we haven't from when we're recording this episode right now. We haven't Played trivia yet or hosted trivia, but hopefully that's another great night. That's true. You guys love it Please be kind to each other. Yes, please don't cheat. Oh
Oh, we got some little intel. I know. We found out last time there was a lot of cheating cheaters. And then people have been coming forward and being like, I saw it too. It's like, yeah, exactly. That Sophia Bush line, you lying little slutty liar who lies. Problematic lines from TV shows in 2008. It's crazy. I was thinking about Bring It On. I love that movie so much. But the way that people used to call each other sluts.
I mean, yeah. Did you ever go through a phase of calling your girlfriend slut or whore? Whore, I remember. No, I'm trying to think. There's one word that I'm like, wow, that seems just so intense, but I can't remember. I don't think so, but probably. I feel like in fifth grade, it was the thing to do. You saw it on TV of people calling each other sluts. Yeah, well, fifth grade, anything was possible. I know. Anything was possible. We all saw some wild shit in fifth grade. We really did. Yeah.
Never mind. I'm not going to take it there. Take it there. Take it there. There was like a rumor. Again, Lindsay, I mentioned you last week. You're always with me. You are my childhood nostalgia as well. There was a girl in her fifth grade. No, it's so dark. Say it. We can cut it later. Say it. But there was a girl, like a rumor. She was a new girl at school and people were like, she gave a guy a lap dance in fifth grade. Oh, that's kind of funny. I remember Lindsay was like, what's a lap dance? I was like, I'll tell you.
We were all just trying to figure out our sexuality. I know. So if you weren't like trying to figure it out physically, other people were talking about. Exactly. God, that is the time. I remember talking to someone who was a middle school teacher and they were like, it's actually the worst because kids are still bringing their blankets to school. And they're also there's some kids who are talking about sex. Oh, my God. To be a fifth grade teacher. Can you imagine? Yeah.
Oh, the smells alone that come from that classroom. I mean, like, I think I hit puberty in fifth grade. Oh, really? Oh, wow. Early bloomer. Yeah, I was an early bloomer. Like, I remember starting to get...
leg hair in like sixth grade. Oh, I shaved my legs for the first time in fourth grade. Did you really? But it was like, I didn't need to, but my mom was kind enough to be like, you can, you can do it. Oh, were you not so scared to ask your mom for a razor? I was, I was terrified. I had never been so excited in my life. Like the idea of shaving was amazing to me. I love shaving cream. I remember I used my mom's whole bottle of shaving cream, just like pumping it out one time. You're like womanhood. Yeah.
And she was like, who did this? I was like, I have no idea. And the whole day I was like, I have no idea. And then I just started sobbing. I was like, it was me, okay? Like the guilt I feel. Yeah, I mean, I've never hated, you know, shaving your legs more now. But the first time I shaved, I'll never forget. I was at my dad's house, but I really wanted to do it because I was about to go to a sleepover. But I was like, I have to call my mom to ask. So I called her and I had been nervous about asking her for a while. I don't know why. Like she would have been like, honey, like, yes, this makes you more comfortable. But I was like...
Can I shave my legs tonight? And she was like, yeah, go for it. And I was so excited. I ran into my brother's bathroom. Oh, no. Took his razor. Oh, no. No soap. No. No shaving cream. No. A little bit of water from the sink. And I just started going up and down. I was like, ah, ah, ah.
Like tears coming down from your eyes. It's just blood. But still so excited. Like my nails all bloody for some reason. Just like. Oh, God. So youth. Youth. Am I right? Yeah. I mean, write us in. Tell us the first time you shaved your legs. That is true. We want to hear about it all. But before we get into some 90s nostalgia, should we take a moment really quickly to talk about Carraway? Oh, my God. I always want to talk about Carraway. Truly. Because you know what I got today? Oh, my gosh. Me too.
I saw that you made a little TikTok of your caraway and we have the full set of the food storage. I'm not even kidding that when the package came in, my dog Noah was just wagging his tail like he had just gotten a whole box of bones. Because it's so exciting. They are so beautiful. They're easy to clean. They're easy to store. They're non-toxic.
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So Tess, where are we going this week? So this week, the episode is going to be a little bit different. Okay. Because we are going to be talking about surfing the web.
We're going to be talking about three specific things. Okay. First thing is going to be MySpace. Oh, my gosh. The second thing is going to be AIM. Oh, my gosh. And the third – Third? I heard that. The third thing is going to be LimeWire. I have butterflies in my tummy. Because I was just like, I want to do the internet. And then I was like, I think doing the history of the internet, like, interesting, but it only goes so far. Right, right, right. And then I was like, what are things that are the most nostalgic to me when I think about –
that time in life and discovering the internet for the first time and all those things. We were at an interesting time as many of our listeners, I feel like we're with the internet where it was really taking the world by storm. Like obviously it was created before we really started using it. Yep.
But we were at the peak. And we were like the first generation to grow up as kids and preteens with the internet. Using the internet. So like it's even interesting to think about how like, you know, we'd ask our parents and thing and they're like, we're also figuring this out. Like we are learning this huge technological like.
at the same time. It kind of makes me want to sob for them because I can't imagine something like that coming around in my 40s or something like that. I don't fucking know what a URL is. Again, I've been re-watching Sex and the City and it is fascinating because they talk about technology coming onto the scene and obviously Carrie was always fighting it. Oh yeah, isn't there something with she's drafting an email? And she gets sad-macked.
Oh, that's right. And they're like, you didn't back this up? And she's like, was everyone talking about it? Which I relate to that so much. Backing up. No words make me feel less scared. Yeah, I know. I'm scared. Very, very triggering. Well, I guess a good place to start is like, do you remember your first experience with the internet? I don't remember my first experience with the internet, but I have a very specific memory of being on the internet.
about to play snood and my sister got on the phone, I think. And that was a no-no. And did you yell at her? I was always the one being yelled at. I was the younger sibling. With the older sister? Right, right. Yeah. Even though I was on the internet first, I was not allowed. So she was like, log off immediately. Yeah, it's my time. Okay. So I guess then, so you remember the logging on process, the sound?
The sounds, the door opening, the door shutting. Oh, it gives me chills down my spine. Same, same, same. Um...
Did you have any restrictions with the internet growing up? Did your mom... I'm sure I did. The websites I frequented the most was DisneyChannel.com. Oh, my God. Oh, yeah. You just unlocked something in me. Oh, yeah. The games. The games. I lived for the games. The Rufus Nacho thing with Kim Possible. Claire? I know. I forgot about this until this very moment. It was the best. The nachos. I think there was a Zack and Cody game. There was everything. Also, I want to clarify. We...
We had an episode one time and I was like, I never had any like boy van pictures or boy pictures on my wall. I think I just repressed it. I had – I saw in a photo, I had a Zack and Cody poster, Dylan and Cole Sprouse. Was that your only boy poster or do you think you just don't remember? I mean, I had the Pirates of the Caribbean, but I could still consider them more men. But they were – Dylan and Cole Sprouse were above my bed. I was a big fan. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah. A little range. You know, I've always loved a blonde. I mean –
You have. This is true. But I remember in MySpace.com. I was a MySpace girly. I didn't really have Bratz dolls. Obviously Barbie, but MySpace. I think Barbie had a website too. Oh, yeah. She did. Did you ever go to Stardoll.com? I don't think so. What's Stardoll? We were doing this until college because we would be hungover and you just like get to dress up celebrities. They all have a closet of like shirts and –
dress like everything that you can mix and match and you can like give them looks oh my god no i didn't have that i had like a barbie thing but not a i couldn't do with celebrities oh we truly did this until like our 20s we get a little high and just be honest that sounds so fun i'll send you the link tonight oh sorry i just put this out i should have given you this joint i was like none for you like no more you're too high which might be true no it's never true um what's your experience with the internet
experience with the internet was becoming very obsessed with it very quickly I remember discovering YouTube at the time where I was still really into Mary Kay and Ashley so like 2005 like even like seventh grade I was still like all about them and I remember being like so I can type in to this beautiful little search engine their name and then I get to see videos of them because like
I just remember being so fascinated by the transition from still image to videos of like my pop culture crushes. I was so into YouTube. I was in science class in sixth or seventh grade when I first found out about it. This girl was like, well, you can watch it on YouTube. And I went, what's YouTube? And she went, no, YouTube. That was always like a thing. I'm like, you mean the band? It was like fifth graders making jokes. And then I always watched that video. Did you ever watch My Hands Are Bananas? No.
My hands are bananas.
Oh, I was obsessed. That one and shoes. Shoes. Oh my God, shoes. Yes. The muffins. I remember never getting into the trending ones. I was kind of always on my own journey on the internet. Well, I also think the trending ones, a lot of them were very, remember my fourth grade humor? It was kind of like boy humor. For some weird reason. Fourth grade humor is the darkest thing you'll ever experience. Do you remember I went Chick-fil-A and it was this man in the forest. No. It's like a doctor.
But like all of those things were such a like – Yeah, sorry. I'm going on a tangent. No, no, please. Like this is what the whole episode is about. But like, yeah, I think YouTube, really into MySpace, really into posting photos. We're going to get all into MySpace. Yes. And AIM, of course, you know that the second you got home, you threw that backpack down, you logged on, and you waited for your crush – Exactly. To come on and sometimes you would say hi and they would log right off. Yeah.
And that is called character building. It has only made us stronger. That's true. Okay. So let's begin. Okay. I think we should start. Okay. You know what? Let's begin with a little internet history. Let's do it. Like where the hell did this thing come from? Seriously. This overwhelms me a little bit. I know what you mean. Like I'm kind of starting to sweat.
Because Lord knows it feels like Silk Road where I'm like, why am I talking about technology? I was actually pretty proud that you took this one on because it would have intimidated me. It's from a Bitcoin baby. That's true. From my LimeWire lover. Oh, we've got another t-shirt, y'all. LimeWire lover. Let's bring it. Copyrighted. I don't know what it's called. TM? Trademark. Trademark. Thank you. Okay, so in internet history, credit for the initial concept that developed into the
I didn't know. Well, I'm just like, he didn't get any of the glory. But a cool name. I think of Bill Gates of the internet. Am I a fool? No. Okay. Well, no, not at all. Because like we think of people like Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Steve Jobs. Like those, these guys are, I'll list a few of them who like, hey, they've probably never been recognized a day in their life, but we appreciate your service. We really do. In 1961, he wrote about ARPANET.
ARPANET? I'm familiar. The predecessor of the internet in a paper entitled Information Flow in Large Communication Nets. Yeah. A-R-P-A-N-E-T. That's a lot. A-R-P-A-N-E-T. ARPNET? ARPNET? ARPANET. Yeah. You guys know what we're going to be talking about. Yeah.
So this guy, Kleinrock, along with other innovators such as JCR, Licklider, the first director of the Information Processing Technology Office, provided the backbone for the streams of emails, the media, the Facebook postings, all those things that are shared online every day. So these guys were like –
We got you. I just like, how do you, how's your mind even go there? It's so creative. It's so creative. And like, can you imagine like coding? Like shout out to Molly, who is like our coding queen. I mean, incredible. But like, I can't, I can barely, like I only found out a few years ago how to do like,
copy and paste not going to five you know what I mean God the practices that I have on my computer literally last year I was with this producer Bar and he was like why are you taking all these steps it's when someone else can always does this to me too if he watches me on my phone or computer he's like I'm sure he thinks I'm like 65 years old same
It's intimidating to say the least. I'm just like stubborn. I just like having my ways too. I just, yeah. And sometimes I don't like a shortcut and that's for another... For a different room. That's for a different room. So why did the internet start? What were the motivating factors to get people to be like, let's go online? Well, when you think about it, a lot of technology was a response to war. Oh. Because it's like people needed to know like,
Pass messages without being able to be in the same physical area. Yes. Tracking people. Like all of this stuff. So like the GPS started because of, I don't know what year, but because of like some. That makes sense. I know Wi-Fi was a thing kind of with the war efforts with the actress Hedy Lamarr. That's right. Hedy Lamarr. That's right. So the internet started in the 60s as a way for government researchers to share information.
Oh, it was in the 60s. In the 60s. But these were not, you think of like a computer, not the same. Computers are like the size of a wall, right? Truly like a huge TV, I think. Yeah. It says computers in the 60s were large and immobile. In order to make use of information stored in any one computer, one had to travel to the site of the computer and have magnetic computer tapes.
sent through the conventional postal system. And now it's like literally the size, I'm looking at you, of your pocket. Also, now if something doesn't work for maybe three seconds, you're like, what's going on? What's happening? I slam my computer, I slap it around. Same. It's like, it's very sick. I know. So because things were not great with the Cold War. Yeah, not chill. The Soviet Union's launch of the Sputnik satellite spurred the U.S. Defense Department to be like, shit, what are we going to do?
If we're under nuclear attack. Always this time. And they were like, we need the internet. Oh, wow. We need it now more than ever. Truly. Always this time with like the fear of the nuclear war, like crazy. I know. Sometimes, yeah, you think about it and you're like, that's never going to happen. And then you're like, of course it's going to happen. Yeah.
Go to sleep remembering that tonight. Okay? I hope those words will stay. Stay in your mind. That's right. So technically, January 1st, 1983, it's considered the official birth of the internet. January 1st, 1983, it's a Capricorn. It's a Capricorn. They're like, get on your feet.
I don't know exactly why that is, but I think that's just when shit became real. The internet would be a Capricorn. The internet would so be a Capricorn. It's like, we are always working. What's the Wi-Fi? I gotta get it done. Literally always working. Can't take a second off. It is the most Capricorn energy ever. So,
we talked a little bit about like 60s 70s so 80s little timeline we'll make it quick we know that this isn't like the most juicy thing but we have 1983 that's when like the dot edu dot gov dot com dot org dot net that's when um that's established dot gov dot gov you know it irs is it irs.gov it probably is it doesn't matter we were just on that website yesterday i blocked it out i blocked it out too
In 1984, the term cyberspace is invented. Like, we could unpack that. Yeah, cyber. Like, where's, what's cyber come from? Cyber is the Greek word for, I don't know. Oh, I was like, do you know? I was about to be so impressed. Um,
1986 is when speed is like insane. Like the speed of dialing up like goes from I think 56,000 bits per second. So people are like – We're here. It went from like an hour to start up to like 30 minutes. Truly. But I still remember it would take like maybe eight minutes and like – right? I don't remember. Or was that just me being impatient? No. But I mean it definitely took long. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't remember. We should have had like –
A 50-year-old. I know. Guest. Guys, if you want to come on for part two. Please. 1990 is when HTML language develops. 1991 is CRCERN introduces the World Wide Web to the public. Mm.
Wait, what year? 1991. My birth year. So what I was going to bring up to you is have you seen, I think I saved it or I know I sent it to you on the Today Show when they're talking about the internet. Are we talking about that? Yeah. No. Okay. Because I don't want to be redundant. Tell the people. But okay, guys, we will post this. It's Katie Couric and the other host of the Today Show. And they're literally like, have you guys heard of this internet thing?
And they're like, what is internet? That was literally us when TikTok came on the scene. But Gory and I laughed because Katie Couric was like, I'm afraid it will make me not spend time with my family. I'm like, and it will. And it will to all of us. And now Katie Couric is very active on Instagram. No kidding. I mean, hey, we all are. We love an evolving queen. We really do. 1992, surfing the internet has popularized that phase.
Phrase. I can speak today. And then 94, Yahoo. 95. My birth year. Yahoo. Yes. 94, Claire's birth year. Yahoo is born. 95, Match.com is born. Match.com was born in 95. I know. I was like, who would have thought? And also like these to say, these all took time to develop into what they are now. So Match.com was even if it like
It could have just been a completely different whole deal. It was doing its best for what it could at the time. Yeah, I mean, Match.com, I was on Match.com. My friends were on Match.com. Sorry, I just went to a completely different place.
You were on Match.com? I wasn't on it. I would watch my friends in college, I can think of two, who went on Match. So in, not to age myself, but in 2012, people were still going on Match. Okay, but Match.com I've always considered for people like 40 and up. It had a moment, I think, just like it does now, because it now has a very different...
It's how to rebrand. Okay, guys, the rebrand. It's gorgeous. It's gorgeous. It is gorgeous, but it is also like pictures of people pleasuring themselves basically and be like, you need to love yourself first before you find your match. Which is great marketing. It is great marketing. But I also feel like they're like those kids at school that are like, no one's cared about us for years, so we got to shock them with something sexual. That was so good.
Oh my gosh, we make a sketch of Match.com like as middle school kids. My nose ring just came out. Oh yeah, we put – guys, we haven't dressed up as our theme in so long. No, but we did today. But we did today. So we have sticky like jewels on our faces. I was wearing a bucket hat, but it doesn't work with headphones. I get it. And my headphones broke, so I can wear a backwards cap because I have the old school headphones in. That's right. But yeah, so my friends were on Match in college and I just remember –
Yeah. I mean, it wasn't on your phone yet. It wasn't like an app that you – the information they would make you fill out. It was what is your favorite sexual position? What is – like, do you masturbate? Like, the – What? So Match was crazy. Match was a crazy place. Match was a crazy place. Then we have Google in 98 and we have Facebook in 2004. And then we'll kind of – We'll end there for a little timeline. Okay. Okay.
I just go, what if I literally just went on for like every year from the start? Would you be like, please wrap it up? Well, I will say Instagram was what? Instagram 2012? Well, let's do it. Twitter was like 2000, like six. Okay, maybe we shouldn't do it.
I remember the people who were telling me about it. I'm trying to place them in my life. Well, if you'd like to tell the Ramneys your experience with Twitter, because we used to love to tweet, didn't we? Oh, my God. I remember I used to tweet everything. I thought I was a little comedian on Twitter. Same. And then it got into just very much reposting political things in 2016. But yeah, I haven't posted. I haven't tweeted, one might say, in a while. I know. I know.
Let's bring it back. I know, but now it's got Elon Musk all over it. I know. There's some darkness there. There's some crazy shit happening over there. That is true. But before there was Twitter, there was MySpace. Yes. Okay. So MySpace launched in 2003. So the site was the first social network to a global audience, and it had this significant influence on technology, pop culture, and music. Because if you don't forget, MySpace had a whole music...
And then they had a record label later. What? MySpace Records. Okay, so I never was on MySpace. I did Zynga. I know. That says a lot. It says a lot. Wait, you were never on MySpace? Never. I couldn't tell you much about it. I really will be learning about MySpace from this because I had a Zynga for like two weeks. Wait, what was a Zynga? It was MySpace's ugly stepsister.
That's right. Do you remember why you chose a Zynga? I feel like I wasn't allowed to have a Myspace. Well, that makes complete sense because Myspace had a darkness to it and they didn't have restrictions or protection, I would say, to 18 and younger for a really long time.
I will say I was on chat rooms, which, sorry, Mom. I was as well. And we know about your chat room experience with Elizabeth Olsen, so...
If you don't know, go listen to our early 2000s. That's right. Part one. So from 2005 to 2009, MySpace was the largest social networking site in the world. That's crazy. This is before little Facebook came in and fucked everything up for MySpace. It was the original. It truly was the OG. So do you remember Friendster? Yeah.
That sounds familiar. In like the late 90s, it was a social networking like game that you could play. And so the employees at Friendster were like, hmm, there's something here. Like this doesn't have to be a game. It can be real life. And that's how they created MySpace? Yeah. Will you paint the picture of me of like what's the page like? Okay. So let's go through things that we may have forgotten about of what MySpace looks like. So you log on.
It was different than Facebook in the way that it was a lot more. You could choose your custom backdrop. Okay. So you could choose. Like your background. Zynga. I think Zynga was similar. Yes. Yes. You could choose butterflies, a mountainscape. Then you had your profile picture. You had your song of the week.
which I would change literally constantly. So it was like right below your photo. It also had like online now. If you were online, it would say that last login. So it's like kind of like exploring the safety of MySpace, even that. Like there was just – it was so like vulnerable for the first thing that was like – you could see when someone had just logged off and like – Crazy. Yeah.
It was crazy. This is the first of knowing what people are doing at all times. Truly. And then you had to answer questions about yourself. And I was reading this article saying things that we're glad that we have forgotten about, about MySpace. You had to fill out your body type. And this I completely forgot about. They gave you five options. What were they? They were skinny, athletic, curvy. I don't know what the last...
I don't know how they framed it. We tried to block it out. Maybe like over. I don't know what they said, but it was not good. If you guys remember, let me know. But I remember like as a 13-year-old being like, which one do I choose? I remember that too. And how do I like define it, which was such a weird thing of the 90s too of like. Well, at least they weren't like pear, apple, like comparing people's bodies to fruit. That's true. Also, guys, why don't we talk about this?
do we have to do that? I don't know. That didn't make anything better for women. I'll never forget like reading about that shit in Seventeen Magazine. I will never forget them saying that Drew Barrymore was a pair. Yes. Do you remember when they compared the Charlie's Angels body type? It's insane. God. It's insane. Oh my God. Okay. So sorry to, we were just watching the Pamela Anderson doc.
And just like the way that talk show host would speak to celebrities was out of control. And like no one would punish them. No one would reprimand. No one would say anything about it. No. I think it's changed so much that celebrities would go – would be like, I'm never coming on your show now. Because of the internet, I feel, because they have access to everyone that they're like, I can just promote my own shit. Yeah, that's true. I mean, like who was it who just –
Ask Pamela Anderson. Oh, fucking Matt Lautner. What's his name? Matt Lauer. Lauer. Oh, God. Matt Lautner is someone I went to college with. I'm so sorry. Matt, if you're listening to this, I apologize. Don't put that on me. But he's just like, so your breasts, are they real?
How much did you pay? Why did you need those? Were you flat chested before? It's so disgusting. It is shocking. It's disgusting. And now that we know what we know about him. Oh, no. Your ring light. My ring light went out. Oh, God. Check us out on Instagram and Twitter. I would think it's because my computer died. Carry on. I'll figure it out. We'll share this one. Okay, perfect. Guys, you're seeing it in action.
This is what it's like to work out of your little makeshift office. That's right. And we're here for it. That's fine. So another part of MySpace, Claire, that is wild to think about is that there was a top eight section. What does that mean? So your top eight, which was one of the first things you see after you look at your picture, which was up on the left and then like kind of right diagonally from that in the middle, you would drag the icons, the profile pictures of your friends who were your top eight best friends. Wow.
And within those top eight, are they ranked in order of like, and this is number one and this is number two? Yes. I think that they... That is cutthroat shit. Yeah. I definitely think it was... You definitely knew what order it was. It wasn't in a circle. Is Mindspace a mean girl? Mindspace... I mean, Facebook used to be a mean girl. Remember Honesty Box on Facebook? Oh, we got in trouble for that at our school because someone tried to be Gossip Girl. We also had that too. I mean, of course.
What did they expect? Our gossip girl went on for way too long. They like didn't shut it down. We got pulled into the principal's office. Oh, you did? I did. But it wasn't because of me, but it was because they were like talking about something that they said happened at my house. Yeah. I haven't heard that. Yeah, they said that people were drinking at my house, which they actually weren't. And we got pulled in and like...
That's crazy shit. That's crazy. I know. They weren't, guys. They weren't. Yeah. No, no, no. Never in high school. Never. So the top eight, as I hope some of you guys can remember, was always, at least for me, I was very active in my top eight. I'd get home from school and you would just be on MySpace and you would just – it's so crazy. Think about this. You'd just look at it and you'd be like, hmm.
I talked to Kelsey more than I talked to Donna today. So I'm going to switch. And everyone was doing it. So then you would go to your friends' pages and see if you had been switched. This is like creating so much drama. I'm just shaking my head. It scares me. Imagine if our friend group had this. Oh, my God. It makes me sick. It makes me sick to my stomach to think about now. Like, I can't go there. It's too exhausting. So my question for you, Claire. Yes. Is who would be on your top eight? No, just kidding.
You know who you are. I'm just kidding. Okay, but we're going to do a little game. Let's recreate your page right now. Okay. What would your profile picture be? I need to change my Instagram profile picture because it is like four years old, but I don't have a picture that I'm like, I want it. Which one is yours right now? Mine's like still that like one with the hat that in the black shirt. It's like very Western vibes, but it's just like, yeah, but it's just like not who I am anymore. Well, thank you. That was a fun photo shoot. So my profile picture now is,
What would be the style? Oh, the style. I want it to be something like, yeah, thank you, because we would have been here forever. You're like, ah, this one was my fault. I would like something like outdoors and like sunshine, like laughing. Yep. I feel like it would be kind of candid-ish. You could have like a glass of wine. That's what I would want. I love it. What about you?
Probably like a film photo. I love a film photo. Just because we, Kunal and I both got so into our little film cameras last year and then we haven't done it for a long time. Bring it back. But like maybe a film with like holding Noah walking down the street. Perfect. What would your song be right now? Whoa. That noise that just came out of me. What would my song be right now? Wow. I did not prepare for this, guys.
Probably maybe like some country song, maybe a KC song. Love that. See, the thing is like the songs that I would want are like sad. Well, that was always the thing. I had a lot. I just remember so specifically Change It one week after I had the bad experience with my crush on AIM, which we'll get to in a second. Change It to Soul Meets Body by Death Cab for Cutie. Oh, Death Cab for Cutie. A lot of Death Cab. So good.
um maybe I would do can it be slow then yes it can be anything okay I'm gonna do slow burn then yes so yeah what about you um Sunday Candy not Sunday Candy but I just watched that movie You People the other day with Jonah Hill oh is it on Netflix okay I've been seeing I saw advertisement last night um yeah it was fine I was like eh but I do love Julia uh
What's her name? Garner? Louise Dreyfuss? Oh, yes. Love her. She's in it. She's the mom. But that Childish Gambino and Brittany Howard song, I think? Ah.
Oh, I actually don't know that one, but I love Brittany Howard. Oh my God. I'm going to set you listen. That was our song of the week for our newsletter. I think so. Or what did I just see that? Oh yes. I put it in the newsletter yesterday because I'm just obsessed with it right now. I love Brittany Howard. Love childish Gambino. Great to cook too. Of course. With your one and only. Careway. Mostly 10. Mostly 10. That's right. Let's move on. Okay.
So that's all you have for... Did you have statuses for MySpace? Just to wrap it up real quick. No, there was no statuses because I remember that AIM, you could have your away message and then Facebook was statuses. But AIM didn't have that, but it was like... Or MySpace didn't have that. Yeah, yeah. MySpace didn't have that. Did you post on each other's... Yeah. Or you posted like a personal thing and then could you comment on it? You wrote on each other's walls. Okay. So the wall thing, I'm sorry, I completely just stopped talking about MySpace. I was like, we're good. We got it. Yeah. So it was like a communication...
That was the purpose of it was to message, you could write on walls, post your photos. Albums became a thing later on. But for a while, just one photo at a time. Well, that's like Instagram. It's like Instagram. I will post some of my MySpace photos that I still have that I remember. So exciting. Jesus. Oh, I can't wait. Jesus. I can't wait.
I remember, like, I tried to get into Tumblr too and I could never figure out the website. I could never understand it. Yeah, Tumblr,
Tumblr was an interesting place. I had a Tumblr when I studied abroad called like Ragazza and La Chita. Oh. Tumblr was just posting pictures, right? It was so douchey. Yeah. It was just like reposting photos. I need to get this aesthetic right. I loved it. Oh my God. I miss Tumblr. And there's like gifs of like, yeah, there was like, I don't know. There's a lot going on. It was like a nice place to be. It's like before bed. Yes. But like calmer. All right. So we'll move on to AIM. Oh, yes.
So AIM was created in 97. Love the year 97. That's when Titanic came out. There's something else that happened in 97 because I remember we were like, and then Titanic happened. But anyway, it's crazy. What? You remember? No. No.
Ella's birthday year. Oh, she's so young. I know. Sweet little baby. Cute. So AIM became the leading instant messenger online chat system in North America, available only from a desktop computer. It was one of the first instant chat systems created that spread far and wide and
You know what's nice about AIM is because it is instant message, but it's literally when you're only you're sitting at your laptop. So it's like I am here now to chat with people, whereas a phone, it's like I constantly have to be talking to people. I completely understand. You know what sometimes makes me feel like
I'm back on AIM when like at night, like sometimes if I like, you know, sometimes I get a burst of like motivation at like 6 p.m., which isn't, it's not common. It's rare. No, I wouldn't say that for you. Well, when it happens, I like end up kind of enjoying it because sometimes I'm like, you know what? I'm going to put on like a record, maybe have a glass of wine and like sit on the counter. Like I have like a little kitchen island with my computer. And if I'm like chatting, texting, it just reminds me of like being young. I
Because that's like when you do homework and be on aim at the same time. And I'm just like, I'm like, maybe I'll do it tonight. Love that for you. I love that for you. I'm like, that's the only way to do it sometime. You know. Hey, don't judge us. Join us. Please join us. But so people of all ages, we're using I am. Young middle schoolers to older working adults. There were no emojis.
Really? Oh, when it first started out? When it first started out. Okay, because I remember having smiley faces and stuff. Yeah. At first, it was just very like you could pick your screen name and customize your profile. The user could add cool designs into your bio. It also created a buddy list where all your friends' usernames were saved. Oh my gosh, the
list. And it showed their online or offline status. Yes, I forgot that there was a buddy list. I mean, obviously, but I forgot. I know the feelings. We're going to talk all about like the emo-ness of it all. Okay, yes, of course. But a little bit of background, the program stemmed from three engineers, Barry Appelman, Eric Bosco, and Jerry Harris in the early 90s.
The creation of AIM came from the idea of creating a buddy list. And then they were like, okay, like imagine if you could just like see your top people and then like see if they're like willing to talk. And that's,
And that's where it was. It's one of the things I miss the most about the past, I think. I completely agree. How did we just leave it behind like we did? Because texting it was like, well, now you can have AIM with you 24-7. Right. So yeah, that's such an advancement. But just like anything with technology, it's like, but the simplicity...
And like being able to manage your time was probably so much better. I know. But also the internet does amazing things. Yeah, it really does. I'm grateful for text and not having to use T9. Yeah. Okay. Truly. Oh my God, T9. So early 2000s obviously came on in and then technology, just like we said, it did advance. Mobile messaging came out and AM took a steady decline. Sad. Yeah.
to make it a little happy. Yes. Can you name these abbreviations? Oh my gosh. Tess, you're the best at the games. You're the best. I try every time and I can never get it. Okay. Let's see. You might be like, this is... Okay. No. We'll just name it. I'm ready. GTG. Gotta go. TTYL. Talk to you later. BRB. Be right back. LMAO. Last my ass off. Last my ass off. Last my ass off. ILY. I love you. Yes. ILY.
Wait, I... I love you so much? No. I-L-Y-L-A-S. I love you like a sister. Do you guys remember...
the books? Did you ever read those books? And it was called like TTYL or Be Right Back and they were books in middle school and the whole book was just written in text messages. This sounds kind of familiar. This just came to my mind. Oh, it's like the Disney Channel.com came to mind. Wow. It's crazy. It is. And they were like hot pink, lime green, the color, or not lime green, but like a deep green book cover. Wow, wow, wow, wow. This does sound familiar. It really does. Crazy. Crazy. Okay, so let's just talk a little bit about like
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What was your first screen name and like what were your first like memories of instant messaging? Okay. So my AIM screen name was pink number four ever 823. Not that different from my email address now, which is troubling. But that was that. And then my Yahoo Messenger account. My Yahoo Messenger account because that was like the loser-y version of AIM.
Right. Did you have that? No. Oh, well, of course you wouldn't because you were regal as a young child. But I was not. And I had Yahoo Messenger. And they had a background where leaves were flying. Anyways, and I was drama dancer 411. Also, do you remember Yahoo? Yahoo Ligans? Yahoo for kids? Oh, yes, I do.
Oh, you're hooligans. Crazy. What were your – actually, I think I know yours, but please. Say it. Ice – Ice – Ice Gate Gal 15 was my close friends. Oh, right. And then Cha Cha Cherry 278 was my catfishing one. Oh, of course. You have to have that. And the one I would use to like message my crush –
Because members of you could do that. You could be like, I know the screen name. I'm going to message, copy and paste the screen name into another account and then be like, hey, man. And so I used to message that boy from – I used to pretend I was a hockey player at the ice rink that I would go to. And I would be like, oh, I skate with Tess. Like she's one of the figure skaters. What do you think of her on Cha-Cha Cherry? Oh, my gosh. You were acting like another boy? Yeah. And I got deep in that. Smart.
That is smart. Too deep to ever get out. What did he say? Do you remember? I remember he was, oh my God, I remember this so well of just like shaking and being like, I'm doing it, Tess. Shaking. And it was a Friday night and it was raining outside and I was like, I used to, my childhood bedroom at one of my, at my dad's house was in the attic and I just remember like just being up there looking crazy and then him being like, ha ha, she's cool, I guess. And I was like,
does that mean he doesn't think I'm cute? And that's just when it starts with like, spiral. Am I just like the sister? You know, like that feeling you have when you're just like, trying to be like sexual. Mine was like, it was never even like, I didn't feel like a sister. I was literally like, I don't want to talk to that person. Like a sister is someone you want to hang out with that time. One time.
And seventh grade. Side note, when I was broken up with by my friend Manuel. Manuel, if you're listening. Well, I'll never forget this. He said, I feel like you're more like a cousin to me, not even sister. I was going to bring it there, but I was going to let you tell that. Yeah, I think I have said that on this. They're like, you've said this every episode. Forget that this happened to you.
It stays with you forever, though. Yeah, it sure does, Manuel. I remember, God, my eighth grade boyfriend was really not into me, but I was so into him on AIM, and it was just, like, not received. Well, like, that's the best thing. So did you do passive-aggressive away messages? Well, yes, away messages, because I did it on Facebook as well. I posted not that long ago. Wait, what's that one you sent me?
I forgot. I need to look back at it. But it was like four statuses in a row of like, oh my God, honey. Are you okay? Claire Donald is whatever. And it's like, oh, I was like, oh God, I'll think of it. Keep talking. I saw one of my away messages from like,
Well, I was really dramatic about them in high school. And one was like waiting for the possibility, dot, dot, dot, that will never come. I was like, oh my God. But that's what mine were. I'm like, God, fuck, what was mine? Okay, the Facebook message. Guys, I may test take a five-minute break so I can go back and it's not even that good. But December 26, 2007, I posted, spotlights turn into skylines. My mind turns to you. What?
2007. 2007. Spotlights turn into skylines. My mind turns to you. Oh, my God. Okay, guys, if you can go back and find, like, if it's in your time hop or whatever you need to do.
Send us, screenshot some of your early Facebook statuses. Please, though. Nothing is funnier because the stakes just felt so high. So high. And it was just like, this is my way to tell them how I feel without telling them how I feel. And we have seen that now throughout so many different... You can do it. I think the equivalent of...
That back in the day was now like taking a specific Instagram story, knowing that someone's going to see it. 100%. Like right after a breakup, you're like, I'm in it, like going out with my girls. And like you look super hot. Yes. People being like, God, sorry, guys. I'm so busy, busy, busy, busy. As we opened the episode, being like busy, busy, busy. Being like something huge is happening we can't quite say yet, which like Lord knows we've said. I know. Honestly, whatever. But let's manifest more of that.
Bring us all of the ad deals. All the good things. Bring it to us. Okay. Sorry for the pause, but we took it there. No, you're good. But yeah, that pretty much concludes AIM. Okay. Do you remember a font and color you used a lot? I remember, I think hot pink, or no, dark purple, because purple is my favorite color. Purple was never my thing. Yeah. It is polarizing. Purple is polarizing. Is it? But I feel like there are people, I mean, young girls, I didn't mean that.
I don't know why I did it. I don't know. I'll explain later. I didn't want to be like that. Hot pink. You keep making me laugh every time I take a drink. Sorry. Sorry.
Some young girls out there. They like purple. Hot pink, neon green, impact was my font that I used all the time. I was like, impact is like the bold, almost like old bubble letters that are kind of square. And I remember like, those are cool girl things. Fuck, what was mine? I would be able to recognize it if I saw it. Comic Sans is too like scripty, right? Yeah. Like cursive. No, it wasn't Comic Sans. No, Comic Sans looks kind of like a comic. Maybe it was Comic Sans. I thought you'd get like a little funny girl. I was like, I'm just like cool.
like cool. It was probably just for everything on A.M. truly for my entire experience was for this one person. Of course. And only for him. Wow. Like that was when I catfished. I don't know. She's cool. Yeah. You know there were some troubling things going on I think. However.
Let's move to LimeWire. And this is actually something like I don't really have an experience with LimeWire. Well, I do. So I would like to ask you like a lot about it. Because even I was like, what is – like I was like I knew that LimeWire was – you could illegally download like pretty much anything. Yeah.
Oh yeah. But I always asked everyone to do the shit for me. Like not to, is it bad to call people out who use LimeWire? Will they get in trouble? I use LimeWire. It was illegal back in the day. Isn't there like a statue of limitations or something? Okay. So like, I think, you know, my brother was on LimeWire. So like, everyone was on LimeWire. I was just lazy. I was the younger sister. So I used to ask Adrian to download the shit for me. So I don't think I ever did it. Um,
But LimeWire, if you don't know what we're talking about, was a free peer-to-peer file sharing client for Windows, Mac OS, Solaris. It worked on everything. It worked on everything. I can see the logo perfectly. It's a little lime. It's like, well, it wasn't like a lime, but it's like lime green, almost like kind of like pupillary tie-dye thing. You know what I'm saying? So I guess kind of was supposed to be, I don't know. Yes. Yes.
So it was created by Mark Gorton in 2000. It was most prominently a tool used to download and for the distribution of pirated materials, particularly pirated music. You would risk it all on your family's computer for one song. And this is in 2007. LimeWire was estimated to be installed on over one third of all computers globally. Globally. That's crazy. I mean, just imagine like this time of the internet where,
Where everything was kind of like making these baby steps of like so much access and possibility. And then it's like, oh, you want to listen to anything? For free? Type it in right now and it will be on your fingertips. Crazy. And for free. Because then like iTunes came around. But I was only allowed like two songs a month, if even that. Well, iTunes songs have always been expensive. Like $3.99 for a song back in the day.
$3.99 for a song? I think so. Was it $1.99? I think – so I remember when I first got iTunes, I think a single song was 99 cents at the beginning. Oh, that's actually – no, no, no. You're right. It was 99 cents. But then – Cindy. You're being cheap. Yeah.
You're like, I gotta go make a phone call. Excuse me for a second. But an episode of a TV show, I think, was $3.99. $2.99, $3.99. That sounds right. And it kind of remains similar prices, I think. Yeah. Like an episode of a show has always been a couple bucks, but I think a song now is maybe $1.99. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. But not like people are buying it or like whatever that was. I know. Yeah.
show what's a peer-to-peer system. Like, how did this come up? So a P2P system connects two computers directly. In the case of file transfers, users can share files with your peers. So this guy, Mark Gordon, was like...
I'm doing this. I envision a marketplace for this. So he founded Lime Group to build a corporate server using this thing called Nutella. It has a G in front of Nutella. Good Nutella. Good Nutella. I don't know. I'm not a fan of Nutella or good Nutella. I'm not either. Sorry. I really am not. I'm not.
I'm not either. I would take peanut butter any day over Nutella. I would take anything over. I'm not a fan of hazelnuts. Same. Same. I don't like it in like, I don't like it in desserts. I don't like it in like cereals. Me either. I don't like it in creamer. Me either. Oh, actually, oh my God. I love a hazelnut coffee made creamer and it doesn't taste anything like hazelnut to me. But, oh, I loved that. Okay. That was, I put like-
four pumps of that in my coffee in high school and was like, call it a day. We all did. Yeah. We all did. Um,
Okay. I have like a lot of actually boring notes that I'm like, this would just be me going through it without even caring. Okay. I'm like, no one cares about like how this works. Let's just talk about LimeWire. Okay. Let's talk about LimeWire. But let's talk about – so do you remember the battle of LimeWire versus something else? Yes. I was literally just thinking there's another illegal downloading system, right? But – Napster? I'll give you a little hint. Yes. Yes. Napster. You know when you like have no idea why a word came to your mind? Napster. Yeah. So Napster –
was very similar. So Napster was also an illegal downloading site and Napster was doing a very similar thing, but it just got caught and ended more like abruptly than LimeWire did. Because the music industry was able to go after Napster and force out of business in a short period of time. But LimeWire, let's see, so the major battle between the service took place between 2006 and 2010. Yeah.
Wow, people are still using LimeWire in 2010. I know. I'm like, holy shit. So one of the biggest stories surrounding LimeWire's takedown was how much money the service may have cost the music industry. Well, yeah. I mean, now we have streaming, which cost the music service industry. What did I just say? Streaming. Yeah, streaming. The music industry. Right. Yeah. Like record label. Oh, wait. Yeah, I don't know. I was jumbling words. But Spotify is really not great for artists.
Right. But didn't they used to not even pay their artists? I don't know. Wasn't Taylor Swift like, you have to pay people? Yeah. I remember when she was just on iTunes and you had to buy all of her songs until like 2014 or something. God, that's so true. It's a badass move. Yeah. But at LimeWire's peak, there were several million people using the service to collect all the music they wanted entirely for free, while it's impossible to nail down exactly how much all of the collective selling could have been worth.
There were several accounts that it was somewhere between billions and trillions of dollars. I believe it. And Mark Gordon had to pay $100 million in damages. The guy who created that? Mm-hmm. Ooh, that kind of – I mean, yeah. I mean, I guess I get it. It's kind of like Silk Road where you're like –
I don't know. I know. I know. And to go back to the difference between Napster and LimeWire, since Napster was the first of its kind with the pirate, like the illegal downloading everything, they were eventually purchased. So it went legit because someone was like, oh, much like now, Spotify, Netflix, like, oh, we see what you're doing. And like, we can make money off of this. So they purchased it from Sean Parker, who was the founder, while LimeWire was the second one to be like, no, we already have stuff like this. And now you're just like,
Yikes. You're like dangling. Yeah. Was Napster's logo like a face or something? Like a blue face? What was Napster's logo? Napster logo. It, yes. I'm like, why do I all of a sudden know everything about Napster? It's like a green or a blue like cat. May I see? Yes. With, I'm like. Oh, it's okay. We can look after. Sure.
Her laptop is trapped. It's little green glasses? Yes. Okay. Well, since you didn't use LimeWire, I have to talk about. Yes. Tell me about what the experience was like. Okay. So you would log on and there was like a search engine and you would write in the song and sometimes it wouldn't come up, I think. So then you would have to write in the song and the artist and then maybe it would come up and then you would click it. And I think you could hear like. I'm just chugging while I'm listening.
I forgot that you could hear me. I know. I know. Well, hey, you're a thirsty girl. No, please. But so then like a bunch of options would come up and then you would hit download. I can't remember if you could listen to the song or if you couldn't. And then it would download to your computer along with probably a ton of other viruses. And would you just like click out of all – like would stuff pop up? I can't remember. But I know that songs, you would be listening and like be feeling the music. And then all of a sudden it would be like –
Bill Clinton's voice being like, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."
Wait, why? Because it wasn't actually Bill Clinton's voice, but it was someone else. And it was like an illegal download thing. So it's kind of like got ya or something like that. And so they would insert this voice clip. It sounds crazy to explain right now, but those who know, know. And there was also one, I remember it so specifically, because now every time I hear the song, I hear it in my head. It was Keep Up by Destiny's Child. Can you keep up, baby? And then in the middle of it, it would go, AOL Music, listen first.
And so like if you got a song, you didn't know if it was the Bill Clinton voice. Sometimes you thought it was – sometimes it came in in the middle of the song and sometimes you downloaded the song and it was just that voice clip. It was always a gamble. That is crazy. I know. Wow. But then you put it on a playlist and then you get a CD, put it in your computer and burn that CD with the LimeWire playlist and then you have a CD with all the songs that you choose. I remember my sister writing on Sharpie on her CDs and having the book of CDs in her car. Yes.
Oh, yeah. Did anyone ever, like, do you remember the first time someone made you, like, a mixtape on a CD? Yes. I had CDs when I moved out here that my friends had burned me. Yeah. Which is, like, oh, my God. That sounds really old. I mean, Alice used to make me a mix CD every year of college. And so in my car, I think it went up to 2014. Because that's when, like, we started using Spotify in 2014. So, like, before that, it was still. It's crazy. Let's bring.
Oh my God, we should make like a Ram mixtape and like start giving out CDs again. I mean, I would love nothing more. We're on the boardwalk like the other people being like, listen to my mixtape. Tell me what you think. Oh, I love the mixtape. There's nothing like someone making a playlist for someone is always like, oh, that's nice. You did that. It will never be the same of someone like going through all their favorite songs. I know. Making a CD for you. It's romance dead.
Yes. It died with Lyme wire. Like, is it dead for high school kids? Like, I think so. Yeah. What is that like? Like, what do you do for romantic gestures? They slide into DMs. Oh, is that sad? Well, I mean, I guess it's the same as aim really. I mean, it's different, but it's their version. That's true. I just romanticize it. I know. Same. We're not against you, Gen Z. We just, we're trying to grow with you. What's the next generation? X, Y, Z. Wow. I just, just go back to the beginning. I don't know.
I don't know. But kids, that's pretty much – that's the early internet for you. I'm trying to think if there's anything else. Yeah, anything else. Sorry, I've used your lip gloss without asking multiple times. It's hydrating. It is nice. I know, it is nice. Neutrogena. But yeah, like anything else that you can think of that had an impact on you in the internet? Well, I guess if we're just talking about the internet, can we just touch real quick on Facebook? Yeah.
When it used to be just for college kids. Yes, I did have somewhere in my notes something about Facebook. And then I was going to say like, this is for an entirely different episode. No, I actually do think that a Facebook should be its own episode. It really needs to be. And we'll talk about it then. But I just remember lying about my age because it was just for college kids. And then it was just for college and high school kids. My login to my Facebook to this day is Adrian's Berkeley address. Because I was like, I want. And he was like, okay, yeah. So I never changed it.
Talk about a company that has gone through some crazy stuff. Okay, that has to be its own episode. I mean, I love that movie so much. Let us know if you guys would be interested in it because I find it fascinating. A Facebook episode? Yeah. Oh my gosh, I think that would be so fascinating. Oh, we should. Yeah, I think so too. A tech month? Oh God, can you imagine? Can you imagine? Maybe we'll bring it there. I just don't know. No, but yeah, Facebook was obviously like what we...
what I use for the longest stretch of time more than even Instagram. So yeah, super like culturally influential. Yeah, it's crazy. Crazy. I mean, honesty box is problematic. Yep. And again, like you just not being able to be on the phone and the internet at the same time was so crazy. I know. And the Facebook chat then took over AAM because in high school you just went to Facebook chat. Yeah.
It's crazy. I know. But yeah, like, I mean, let us know guys, if you have any other major internet memory. Yeah. Other websites that stick out. I know. I'm like, is there any other websites that stick out? But like you really covered it. You know, it's a moment in time, but there's so many more we can, you know, we could keep on talking about this for hours and we will.
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