Serial S01 - Ep. 5: Route Talk
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From this american life and W B S Y. Chicago, its cereal, one story told week by week. I'm sarana. The first letter I got from a nansie almost exactly one year ago included a chAllenge.

He was writing about the prosecutions timeline of the crime, about when and where he mony was killed. The state contended that hey was killed between two fifteen and two thirty six P. M. At the best buy parking lot about a mile from woodland high school.

That's a twenty one minute window in which to commit the murder, which may seem like a long time, a non wrote, but IT is virtually impossible if you consider the following facts, which he then listed, for example, when the final bell rings had two fifteen, can't just leave and jump in in your car. He wrote, quote, there are fifteen hundred other students filling the hallways and stairwells of a four story building unquote. Then you have to get out of the school parking lot, but the parking lot isn't circled by the school bus loop, so you can get your car out until the buses fill up and leave, which non vote took about ten to fifteen minutes.

Tell you I wish, like maybe I try to draw a picture of this if you need to see how good long high school left out at two to .

things that's a non elaborating on his letter.

You can't just vote your car and leave. It's onna. Take a few minutes. So this is a really type, really windows time of me that is that taking place, right? And i've always like in my heart, man, i've always kind of like, I have been A T V before.

Like you know, the last nights where someone tries to reenact the crime, there is a more what we're like. There's someone like, you know, what would not have been committed. They are always to smoke, but right, like, I visualized the road this OK get ready to go, right? sorry. I, okay, bye.

That happens sometimes the guards combine and you're just done mid sentence. Anyway, I can pick up from a dance letter. He wrote that in addition, the route to the best buy, even though it's close to the school, there are major intersections along the way.

And that there is, quote, a ton of traffic at that time, and quote, and then the murder itself, how would he be able to strangle, hey, a tall, strong, athletic girl. Quote, removed her body from the car, Carry IT to the trunk and place her in there, and brought daylight at two thirty in the afternoon. And then I walk into the best bay lobby and called jay and tell him to come meet me there all in twenty one minutes.

I am one hundred percent that if someone tried to do IT IT would be impossible. Unquote gott, let so throwing producer dana chivas. I gave IT a shot.

We tried this river twice. We tried, in fact, because full disclosure, the first time we screwed IT up. The second time, though, we were like a machine. So here we go, were at woodlawn high school wednesay afternoon after school announcements.

Okay, then last bell, more than a thousand students fill the hall, just like a non describes in this letter. We figured, hey, gets in her car quickly. She's in a hurry.

That's now to seventeen, the bell rang, and exactly to fifteen, say the fastest SHE could have gotten to her car is two minutes. So that's giving the state the benefit of the doubt, right? If she's really hustling, maybe he can get to her car and say, two minutes.

Remember her friend debby Warren said he had told her right after school that he was in a rush to see her new boyfriend dawn at the mall. Presumably the owning smells more where they both work. I think this is the last best.

We do indeed have to wait for the bus loop to clear. That takes a few minutes. We just have to sit there.

We're timing. We're in the back of the school now. We have to drive up around to the front of the school, up around the circle near the gem.

Remember, that's where I knows about IT says he sees, hey, who'd come to grab a snack once we get there were at eleven minutes, thirty eight seconds. I'm going to run in keep timing. I run into the gym area where the food car was run back out to the car.

Then we have to drive back out to woodlawn drive. Turn on to security buller ard, which does have some big intersections you have to get through. again.

We're trying to get the best buy that's still there today in twenty one minutes. We're at seventeen minutes right about now. We're at seventeen minutes were just crossing under the battle less than a minute later. Oh yes, see, there's a sign last by.

Jays story was that when he pulled into best buy, he saw a none at the phone brothers at the edge of the building wearing red gloves, a non motion for jay to follow him across the front of the building, around to the other side, to the farthest corner of a side parking lot. Or j saw his car parked this particular part of the parking lot, unless IT has significance. After IT none was arrested, the detectives interviewed another friend of his, a kid d named jan. John told them he's gotten high with a non once and nonce car. Here's tape of that interview.

And where was this best?

But why did you .

go the best by part? And when IT was your choice to go there, his choice, he said that. And not and and hey would go there to spend time.

They say what they would do there a park a lot alone. And when did done that comes .

in that side of part? A lot.

Thank you.

My in case you didn't hear that, he says, I think he might have said that they had sex there before. yeah. John said this happened, this trip to get high at best buy that had happened after he went missing.

Meaning if annan did IT, he was taking join back to the exact spot where he killed, hey, he was returning to the scene of the crime. Jon says that they parked from the sounds of IT, right where jay says his car was that day where dana I are now also part IT takes them in me eighteen minutes to get to the spot. That leaves three minutes for the actual horror of the thing, an argument, maybe then strangulation, then he's gotta put her body in the trunk somehow, without anyone seeing.

Granted, this part of the parking lot is pretty empty, but it's still it's a parking lot in the middle the afternoon. They're definitely cars and people near enough to make this seem like a very, very risky move. Danni, time IT out, counting down the quickest possible imagining of such a thing.

Manual strangulation usually takes a few minutes. Then we get out of our car and walk over to where we think the payphone was, according to a sketch's j made for the cops. There's no phone with there.

Now I just wanted pause here and talk about this phone with a minute. Weirdly, we have not been able to confirm its existence. The best by employees I talked to did not remember a payphone back then.

We spoke to the landlord at the time and to the property manager. They had no record of a payphone. They dug up a photo of the store from two thousand and one.

No phone booth or payphone, though lots of public phones did come down between ninety nine and two thousand. One, they looked up the blue prints for the store when I was built in one thousand nine hundred ninety five. nothing.

The manager also said there is no record of a service agreement between best by and any payphone company at that store. We checked the maryland public service commission. We checked varion.

Neither could track down records from that far back IT seems crazy to me that the cops would have either not checked to make sure IT existed or failed to mention IT if somehow IT wasn't there. They never got the call record from this booth. There's nothing in their files about IT a trial.

A non's lawyer brings up this phone booth when she's trying to attacked az credibility, SHE says to the judge, quote, we believe that the physical description of the actuality of best by including the location of the phone booth, at best by the entrance existence or non existence of security cameras, SHE goes on. So I don't know. We're stumped on this one, but let's assume IT did exist that day.

The prosecutors said they knew hey was dead by two thirty six because there's a call at two thirty six to announce cell phone, which j has, and they say that must be the call. J told the cops about the one where none calls his own phone and says, come and get me. I'm at best you can see IT on the colleague.

IT just says in coming, there is no phone number attached to incoming calls. This two thirty six call was five seconds long. We get out a quarter.

We put IT .

in dialed number one, two, three, four, five stop IT twenty two and .

a half. yeah.

So wait, just be precise about IT. It's twenty, twenty two, twenty two minutes and two seconds. Yeah, we just did IT in twenty two minutes and two seconds and that was leaving about a minute and a half in the car for the actual killing part should .

probably be the minimum amount of time in the car.

right? No, I mean.

if IT seems like yeah could be done, but IT seems far fetched.

IT does seem far fetched because there's no room for any errors, any pauses, even the buses, the drive, the strangulation, the moving of the body, the call, they all have to happen as quickly as they possibly can for the two thirty six call to work. But IT is possible, or at least not impossible, which is what I none was saying in .

that first letter. yeah.

So when I told .

a non day, and I more or less did IT .

in the time allowed the twenty one minutes, his overall reaction was incredulity.

like five minutes. What I can remember, those buses is cleared five minutes 在 不？ So we have to wait in the park life for the bus, declare.

I don't know. I just, I always stuck in my life with the bus to get away for the bottom. So I don't know, I don't know this kind of department, but I I just always always, you know.

I don't know how long to be a crime but have taken. I don't know how long. I mean, it's pretty.

I don't know. I I mean, if you guys said 觉得， but I don't know, I don't know. I don't know what to say that I don't know what to say. I just always thought of my mind and that I mean.

IT look, this is what i'll say IT doesn't make me think to me IT doesn't prove anything except that it's possible IT doesn't mean that I think you're lying or that I think IT even happened at the best buy. I'm just saying if you're gona debunk the states timeline.

not you like.

we weren't able yeah we weren't able to do that. We were able to debunk their timely.

However, day and I were not done because, of course, this is just step one of the state's timeline in the detective's notes day and I found a handwritten itinerary dated march eighteen and one thousand hundred and ninety nine. So that's three days after jail. Second taped interview with police.

This is the root jay layed out for the cops his entire driving day on january thirteenth. This is what we're going to try to replicate to see if that matches the call record from that day because, right, the prosecution story of the crime was mainly pinned to two things. Jay's statements in the cell records. A non remembers that at his trial, the prosecution had a big blow up chart of the call record, the one listing thirty four calls made and received an a non cell phone that day with blanks beside each call. Every time a witness identified a calling the list the prosecutor would .

label IT with a sticker. So at three twenty one they would have place a sticker ball to um IT was a pretty powerful thing because as he was testifying, IT was almost that they were using a cell phone. Is the proof for all of the testimony okay? He said what happened at this time and such as much call was made bom. And that I mean, IT was very obvious to .

besides the calls themselves, they also had a list of all the cell towers that pained each time a particular call came in or went out. Sure, the prosecutor said you might have your doubts about j, but the call record doesn't lie. J couldn't possibly have known which towers were getting picked when he couldn't fabricate that.

I would be too crazy of a coincidence. So the cell towers and the calls and jays story, the way they all mashed, the prosecutors argued, was irrefutable, able, prosecutor casey Murphy said to the jury in our closing statement, quote, the most important thing for you to remember about chase testimony is that IT does not stand alone. IT is corbo ated SHE added.

The cell phone records support what those witnesses say. And the witnesses support what those cell phone records say. There's no way around IT.

alright. Ready, rob kay. So I started at two fifty one, and we're making a rate out of the best by parking lot. And to build my a right.

so let's if we can recreate what jo has happened that day. The next stop after best buy is the ice seventy parking ride, where jay says they leave his car for a few hours is just a large commuter parking lot. Jay says he follows a non there.

A non is driving haze car. Jay has a non's car. He's pretty careful to let the cops know he wasn't ever in his car, never touched her or her stuff .

out of the car, got the car.

And this is from jays second tape statement.

See, go the trunk in the baxi. This detail .

has always struck me, by the way, j says a non is going through the trunk of his car at the ice seventy park and ride. His body is back there in the trunk at this point, but anyway.

several, I picked up and move around. So I get many came over to his car, told me part of trum I part from, he placed how much to items in the, then you got in the drissed, and we switch places, and I got the person to see.

IT takes day in me eleven minutes to get to the parking ride from best buy. Then we wait a couple minutes to account for announce movements. In case you're wondering, there were no security cameras at this parking right back in ninety nine.

We checked with the dot. So now it's a little after three pm, when jay took the cops on this ride on march, a teens to map out the timely. He told him that after they left the parking ride, they went in search of weed.

He says that's when he calls his friend Patrick. And this is where things started to get off course. There is indeed a call to Patrick on the colleague, but it's at three fifty nine pm.

So right away we've got a time problem by trial, though jay has sorted that out, so his story Better match the call logue. He testified that he'd called gentoo satory first at three twenty one to find out of Patrick was home. Je testified that no, jay would not have called her.

To find out where Patrick was is just not a thing that would have happened. But in any case, there is a call to jan at three twenty one. Jane says when they didn't find Patrick home, they switched course and headed up to forest park to bye ade date. And I drive that same route OK.

They buy two dies of weed here. That's a sid note.

Done, done.

We are making .

a left j also mentions another call around this time. This call is incredibly important, and I will talk more about IT in another episode, I swear. But for right now, what you need to know is in his second interview, when the cops show him the list of calls, jay says a non spoke to some girl and silver spring, her name was niche.

A T, that girl, a none had been flooring with. And a non briefly put jay on the phone with her. And the reason this is so important is for two reasons.

One is the only call in this stretch of time that's to someone ana knew rather than a friend. Jays and IT puts j in a non together in the middle. The afternoon when a non says he was not with jay, he was back at school in the march, a teens that dinner. There's a note about the nastia call that had non handed the phone to jay at the golf course on west forest park avenue yeah.

that is the golf course. Okay.

if the indeed, this is the golf course, he's saying where suspect hds phone to the witness whose jay that was the iii car. And that does happen right now. So the time works for this one in matches jay story.

But here's the problem. IT doesn't match the cell tower in the call records. It's pinging a tower back near the best by west of where we are. And that is true of all these calls.

From the DDL of the afternoon, the three twenty went at jen three thirty two initial three forty eight to a dude name fill three fifty nine of Patrick. None of these calls paying a towered near where jay tells cops they were driving that afternoon. Not a one a trial though. Even though all these in afternoon calls were identified and accounted foreigner's testimony, prosecutors did not point out that the cell arrest in match announced defense attorney did sort of but reading the trial transcript, even though he notes the discrepancy, he doesn't nail IT. So it's hard to tell what that describes cy means so onward.

So we are headed to put our state park right now.

Oh, you're kidding, not kidding.

We definitely don't have time to go up perhaps go well.

Let's see how long that takes. This is the next step on the iteration to a place. Notice the clifts at perhaps sco state park, which is a good twenty minute drive from where we are right now. Announced track practice starts at four P M. If before we were sort of clinging respectably to the greet upon timeline, now we're about to just tumour noses at the thing yeah I mean, this just seems absurd.

It's three states between three forty five and three fifty now in their world and if i'm a none and I need to be seen for truck and freaking out right now that I need to get back for track to have an idea. So was this like all just drive half way across the county to go to a state park to smoke a blunt? Like just pull, just smoke in your car? And I don't know, I just seems like there are had to be other places you could have just pulled over fair quick smoke, if indeed that's what needed to happen.

There's a shrimp sale at the crab crib.

Sometimes I think dan isn't listening to me anyway. We had to a topsy state park because jay is very clear. Tape statement number one.

Tape statement number two. March a teens, a tiny now, as when they go smoke up onto the clifts and perhaps' day. And I truck in there.

Okay, so many refuge steps. This is beautiful. You can see the river below some train tracks. Jays memories about this sport specific dinner reads from the heritage .

notes from march teeth I T S A potato valley y park, sixteen thirty hour. And then the next notes, sun getting ready to hit mountain tops.

Sixteen thirty hour means four thirty P M. Sunset that day was at five or five P M. So that would make sense.

And then IT says, I can't believe I did IT, i'm sad, but not really.

Here's what jays says they talked about. And before I play this next tape, just a warning that is disturbing.

overlooking a whole lot of stuff is going, he start text me about how was when he killed her, how. He said he wraps his hand around her and SHE started kicking, and he said he looked at the max, nobody looking in a carum. And he said he was worried about her scratching him, her skin on anything and nails, and that he was trying to say something he thinks that he was trying to say he was starting with that he deserved. and.

How long do you think you repeat .

less twenty years to have now .

other than that conversation, was there anything additional.

Said to me, you wonder where the body.

did you make any suggestions? Did he name many locations? No, he didn't saying, what about here? You know, he didn't name off the have dozen locations. If you give thumbs.

thumbs down. I just know A. So effect of the state park where we were a little bit of the river. But I told him that people walk up and down.

And so jay says they talk about the murder at the clifts. He says they talk about whether to dispose of the body right there in perhaps go state park. He says they're there for twenty minutes .

to half an hour .

come trial. When jays on the stand talking about where they went that day, this whole trip to perhaps go IT never happens. It's just not there that talk they have.

Instead, IT happens in a nounce car when they're tooling around looking to buy weed. This is a puzzle to me. It's such a vivid scene jays describing.

It's so detailed. I have to think he included IT for a good reason, but IT doesn't fit the timeline driving out of the park, taking a na. I was turning this over why the popsy story at all? yeah.

possible. It's like trying to. I don't I like i'm trying to think of an analogy of like what the uselessness ss of what we're trying to do by recreating something that doesn't fit. It's like a like trying to plot you know the coordinate of someone's dream or something where it's just like put away that is like as if we're gone to be surprised every single time. But it's like but doesn't because it's not I .

think they call that a false iron.

A trial, jesus and non gets another call as he's dropping a non off at school for track quote. Before he left the car, he received a phonecall or a place, a phone call. IT was an arabic.

I don't know who he was talking to. I don't know what had entailed. I believe IT was his mother and quote adnan in his family, say he doesn't speak arabic.

C or patio or audio. But maybe jay could hear a foreign sending accent on the other and the call. And there is a four twenty seven call on the log.

Maybe that's the one. But again, the cell tower pings isn't near with on high school. The earliest day and I can get from the clifts back to willon is four forty five P.

M. And that's being generous. But even so, that means if a non static get changed, he is very late for four P M track now, which seems like a bad strategy for an alibi.

Isn't IT to be noticeably late like that? Joe says he goes next to a friend's house when I call his friend Cathy, because he didn't want to be identified. Tray says he gets there by five twenty or five thirty.

He says he smokes them more. We there, but it's not long before a non calls him and says, i'm done with track. Come get me jay goes back to WLAN to get a none. Jane tells the cops that he gets to woodland and about six pm, and that he sees that none with a friend from track the notes for march, a teens say, said goodbye to track.

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track rer, that interaction do you think .

I should have asked you fifteen years ago?

maybe。 thanks. How to remember? Oh, no, let's how to remember the even like. No one ever contacting .

me about anything really yeah like, yeah so the cops, no, no cops ever called you and said, was a known at track that did no, no attorneys, no attorneys ever called and said, did you work was a non present at track practice .

that I don't remember any of that will confirm that.

Yes, track started at four. So you had quite a bit of time from the end of school at two fifteen .

yeah go you know they go around, you know play first two girlfriend and then go get print. Go, go, get ready for print. Be ready. And on time only. Member, an excuse to be late .

of act practically. There was so much time exactly if what would happen if you were really later you skipped .

IT was really consequence that was there. Yeah, one actually OK thanks for next day their coach.

Michael sigh, told the cops that a none probably was there that day that he thinks he had have noticed if a non wasn't there, but he couldn't be a hundred percent sure. The other thing will told me was that he saw jay pick up and also drop off and none for track multiple times.

Yeah, I was just Normal. 关于 Normal to point way。 No, what?

Take them to IT, right? So you can solve this crime for us.

Uh, oh, my.

Here's another problem with the track story. Jay says he gets at known at about six there's an outgoing call at five thirty eight pm to a nance friend crysta someone jay would not be calling which would suggest a none had his phone at five thirty eight pm and the call pings a tower that's out near that guy Patrick house, sort of near where they end up ditching his car. Not at all close to with land high school. I could keep going here to the bitter end of the night, but i'm hoping you'll take my word for IT that the timeline has some problems.

I'm gona try very hard not to borrow you right now, but I do want to talk about cell records for a sack because I want to know whether the state use the call records accurately and fairly in advance trial. Do the records really caborn his story? You might have seen some recent reports about how cellphone evidence isn't as reliable as IT was once cracked up to be.

The washington post ran a story in june, for instance, with the headline. Experts say law enforcement use of cell phone records can be inaccurate. Federal courts in organ and illinois have ruled cellphone evidence inadmissible.

The problems arises when you're trying to say I can prove you such in such a place at such as such a time because of the cell tower that you're phone paint you can't do that was certainty because of the way cell towers get activated, how much territory they cover. In fact, these kinds of records are mostly useful as a way to say where someone wasn't rather than where here he was. Like if a call pings a tower in downtown ball tomorrow, i'm going to be pretty confident that you're not making that call from, say, an apple less or dc or perhaps ghostly park.

As far as I know, announced case was the first in maryland to use cell tower technology as evidence. IT was a new thing because I am technologically speaking, a moron. I asked, dying to find out, did the cell expert who testified a trial present the technology accurately in a way that still holds up? So da sense is gripping testimony to two different engineering professors, want IT product and want to stand for you university.

And they both said, yes, the way the science is explained in here is right. And the way that the states expert to, I name abram z, tested these cell sites by just going around to different spots and darling a number and noting the tower IT paint that's legit, that is not junk science, but that's a different question from, does the science he's explaining here actually support the state's case to the prosecution, deploy that science fairly? That's a more complicated question with a more complicated answer.

Orono its the cell expert and prosecutor casey Murphy did the sight tests together. SHE took him around to various locations connected to jays story. Dan explained IT, to me.

they went to the spots that matter the most .

in the story of the crime. OK.

so so places like chen's house, the best by leaking park, where where he was buried, like those places that are really important k apartment. So they go, so they do fourteen of them, right? Go out this day in october. They do fourteen of them. Do you know how many they .

brought up at trial? No.

they ask the cell phone expert about four of them.

really four of them, four of them, because the rest of the test didn't really help their argument, which is their perogue tive. Their job is to put on the strong as possible case. But of the first sight test they do talk about, one is a test on what does in a place called galston park, which i'm not even going to explain because it's basically irrelevant to our story. The other three places, these all happened in jays narrative after six P M, after j had picked a non up .

from track of from twelve o seven until six, oh seven. That window of time is where kind of jays story doesn't line up with the cell phone records. And the timeline he's giving is also not lining up with the times of the cell phone calls.

So the towers, the times and jays story are not matching right anywhere in that basically six hour period, right? Yeah which this is sort of what day and I had experienced on our drive that day that IT wasn't plotting out.

Just a word about the cell tower testimony IT took two days and I was sort of a mess, announced defense attorney Christinia guiterrez claims SHE didn't have all the cell record evidence shouldn't have the cell tera maps SHE tries to get worn on its as testimony thrown out, the judged nearly agrees with her then prosecutor Kevin europe is are asking for a first trial which isn't granted and all this might sound like exciting courtroom fireworks. But I just I can't stress enough how tedious this must have been for the jury and also possibly confusing where unit is. Actually a Young guy on the stand, he looks kind of like George steffen oppos, except tired and fearful. Here's one of the more lively moments of his testimony. Prosecutor cabin york talks first.

One of any effect was .

like .

rands of cell phones have on the functioning .

of the city I was .

have overall, if you know.

depends on the quality of the phone.

Object overall. And again, if you know .

performance and how sol.

This point is sustain. And mr. On york, unless you are prepared to lay a foundation for seriously.

most of IT is more boring than that, which is why I may generate at all. So I didn't have to SHE explained that the cell site tests, the prosecution did bring up a trial, the ones after six P. M.

The first one was about a site near Cathy apartment. Remember that the call of non gets a Cathy when officer ad cot calls asking if he's seen, hey, anode says that one worked. That six twenty four pm call is a winner in matches, the cell tower in matches, the call logue and IT matches.

Jay story, a non story, and Kathy story too. IT puts jane a non together at a certain place, at a certain time. The question is, what happens after that? He says after the adcock call, they left Cathy, and that's when they went to bury hay in leak in park.

Then they ditched her car out of edmonson avenue, and then they headed back toward west view mall, where they threw evidence into the dumpsters. And if you map the cell l towers that ping between six twenty four P M, and say, ao five, if you imagine each tower lighting up, they do illuminate this trail. They support the locations in jays story, where automate confirms this with riveting testimony.

That sounds like this. Yes.

the most incriminating stop on the root that night is, of course, they can park. There were two incoming calls, one at seven nine and one at seven sixteen, that hit a tower at the northwest end of the park I S. Staying up, since the range of that they can park tower reaches beyond just the territory of the park. Could they have been some place else besides digging a grave in the actual park? Could you have been at someone else or something?

It's possible you could have been here, which that, like this is, I think, Patrick house, one of his address. Ss OK from since or you could have these are strips, like maybe you could have been there, okay, I think they were probably in like in park.

okay.

because IT just I don't think, I think the amount of lucky would have to have to make up a story like that and then have the cell phone records corbitt those key points. I just don't think that that's possible.

Isn't that sort of time amount of saying I think they were I think jay tiling, the truth.

i'm saying I think the cell phone was in the king park.

right?

That looks pretty ad for a none because even though the cell towers can't say who was with the phone or who was making the call, annon himself says he's pretty sure he was with his phone at that time. After track again, his memory is vae full of, I probably would have, but he says that from what he can remember of the evening after he got the call from officer adcock, he remembers dropping jav at some point.

And then he says he would have gone to the mosque for prayers. He was ramadan. He doesn't say he lent his phone out or his car to j or anyone else that evening.

So according to a nan, he was with the phone, and twice that night the phone paying the tower nearly gue in park. So bad for a none. On the other hand, the call records also undermined what jay tells the cops about that same trip to he can park the ad cot call IT.

Cathy ends at about six twenty nine P. M. The leak on park calls are forty minutes later, but chastes after the ata call, he none left.

Ka, atis, and then they do a bunch of different things. They drive to jail house for shovel, then to buy seventy parking ride for his car. Then jay goes to mcDonald back by school to wait for a non, says he, they're waiting for about twenty minutes.

Then they drive all around for a while back over to a tap, scope up dogwood to security before they finally get to leak in park. All that what I just described, that takes an hour in twenty minutes, twice as long. In other words, when the colleague .

accounts for, i'm not trying to be petty here.

I don't think we should hold jay to some Crystal clear timing. How could he possibly remember each twist and turn and phone call from that day six weeks later? However, if the state is saying a nancie is guilty because we have this witness and his story is backed up by cell records, well, what I see is you have this witness, but his story has shifted rather significantly over time and you have these call records.

But I don't think there as iron cloud as you're making them out to be because for the most part, they don't exactly align with your witnesses narrative. There are key moments when they do support his version of that night. But what about the rest of the day?

You can know he is like it's so unfair because it's like IT never the the um the the at stone is of the phone records and never go in my way. This is whenever children with the prosecution said is like you know that the most tablet whenever something i'm saying it's like holy great oh, we don't know where that is when I sure if you really exist that kind of flow away. But that's not call though because now what you're saying is that you can use the self all records when that benefits me.

That was the thirty minute cut off a non called back T.

But the .

went on of all the calls, the two thirty six call is the most troublesome to a none is the one he probably thinks about the most because that's the call that starts the whole chain. And he also thinks about IT because he says he has an alibi for that time the asia letters, where he said he saw him in the library. Here's a weird thing about the two thirty six call.

The prosecutors are very clear at trial that this is the coming get me i'm at best by but they're not basing IT on anyone's testimony. Jane ever says the call was at that time. In fact, he says repeatedly that had not called him around three forty or three forty five.

Je also says that's about when jay left house that day, but there is no incoming call at or near three forty five on the carlock. So the prosecution has to go with two thirty six because it's the only one that sort of lions jay story up with the log. Their only choice.

When you teeth apart the state's case, you can get tripped up on details like this, which is maybe why prosecutor Kevin york address this head on. In his opening statement to the jury, he told them, look at the big picture. The main pop points in jays story have been consistent.

He tells them that consistently, jay quote has always given the same story about what the defendant did wear consistently. He tells Jennifer a consistent story. He tells police a consistent story about the defendant.

He tells consistently the defendants involvement, the defendants actions on that day. He has never waive red on that point. On quote, that is a lot of consistently is and while maybe it's not great, orra ory IT does have the advantage of being true in jail statements.

While the particular shifted the spine of his story did not a non told jail was gonna do IT a non showed him the body. They barred her and they can park. They digits her car.

Jay has been consistent on those points. It's funny. There's this part of the trial that keeps PS coming back to me. So when Christinia guiterrez is cross examining jay, she's pointing out that he lied to detectives about various things, including the location where he says, and none showed him hay's body .

in the trunk of the car. What you tell them and your active showing them that place so was nice or they were not, or the truth. What's the opposite of the truth? sixteen. He told them something that was no, I told them, and then you back IT up showing them a place.

I told them is true. I did not show them a location that was true now.

He says, I told them the truth. I did not show them a location that was true. As oxide, ironic as that sounds, I think I see what he's saying.

Yes, I told some lies, but I told the truth. Overall, I told the truth. There are parts of jay story that make no sense. What seems like there must have been more going on than he's saying, but here's what's also the truth. You can say the same thing about a non story too next time on cereal.

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