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Grape Growers' Next Collaborators? Robots

2024/12/10
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Hannah Chinn:报道了在葡萄园中使用机器人的情况,这种机器人可以自动在葡萄藤间移动,拍摄葡萄藤的照片用于诊断问题,并介绍了机器人的外观和功能。 Yu Jiang:作为葡萄机器人领域的专家,他介绍了团队研发的葡萄扫描机器人,以及该机器人如何利用人工智能技术进行疾病检测,并解释了该技术在提高效率和减轻工人负担方面的优势。他还提到了机器人技术在解决光线问题方面的创新,以及未来机器人可能具备的喷洒功能。 Philip Lujan:作为植物病理学家,他详细解释了白粉病和霜霉病对葡萄种植的危害,包括降低葡萄品质、产量和含糖量等,并强调了病原体抗药性增强的问题,以及尽早检测和治疗的重要性。他认为,机器人技术可以有效地帮助种植者尽早发现并处理疾病,从而减少杀菌剂的使用,并保护环境。 Hannah Chinn:详细描述了机器人工作的流程,包括图像采集、数据传输、AI分析和结果输出等环节,并解释了机器人如何利用人工智能技术识别不同类型的霉菌,以及该技术在提高检测准确率方面的优势。她还提到了机器人技术在解决光线问题方面的创新,以及未来机器人可能具备的喷洒功能。 Yu Jiang:介绍了团队研发的葡萄扫描机器人,以及该机器人如何利用人工智能技术进行疾病检测,并解释了该技术在提高效率和减轻工人负担方面的优势。他还提到了机器人技术在解决光线问题方面的创新,以及未来机器人可能具备的喷洒功能,并对机器人技术的未来发展方向进行了展望。 Philip Lujan:详细解释了白粉病和霜霉病对葡萄种植的危害,包括降低葡萄品质、产量和含糖量等,并强调了病原体抗药性增强的问题,以及尽早检测和治疗的重要性。他认为,机器人技术可以有效地帮助种植者尽早发现并处理疾病,从而减少杀菌剂的使用,并保护环境。

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What is the PhytoPatholoBot, and what does it do?

The PhytoPatholoBot is a robot designed to monitor grape vines in vineyards, scanning for diseases like mildew. It uses cameras to take thousands of images and employs AI to detect infections.

Why are robots like the PhytoPatholoBot important for grape growers?

Robots help detect diseases like powdery and downy mildew early, reducing the need for frequent fungicide sprays and preventing crop loss. They also alleviate the labor-intensive task of manual inspection.

What are the two main diseases affecting grapes that the robots are designed to detect?

The two main diseases are powdery mildew and downy mildew. Powdery mildew appears as white powder on leaves, while downy mildew causes yellowing and oil-spot-like discoloration.

How does powdery mildew spread and affect grape vines?

Powdery mildew can overwinter and spread through rain splash in the spring, infecting new leaves. It reduces photosynthesis, crop yields, and grape quality, making the crop unsuitable for wine production if left untreated.

What challenges do grape growers face in detecting mildew early?

Early detection requires skilled workers to manually inspect vines in the field, which is labor-intensive and physically demanding. Additionally, pathogens are evolving resistance to fungicides faster than new treatments can be developed.

How does the PhytoPatholoBot use AI to detect mildew?

The robot takes thousands of photos with a flash to ensure consistent lighting, which are then analyzed by an AI model. The AI compares images to identify disease symptoms and generates a map showing infection severity across the vineyard.

What is the accuracy of the PhytoPatholoBot in detecting diseases?

The robot achieves over 90% accuracy in detecting diseases like downy mildew, powdery mildew, and associated viruses across different states, including California, New York, and Western Virginia.

What are the future plans for the PhytoPatholoBot?

Future versions aim to equip the robots with spray systems to treat infections directly in the field. The next generation will also feature self-driving capabilities and faster scanning using cameras on both sides.

How do local grape farmers and neighbors feel about the robots?

While some neighbors were initially concerned, understanding has grown through outreach. Farmers see the robots as a way to complement their work, reducing labor and improving efficiency without replacing human jobs.

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This episode introduces the use of robots in vineyards to detect and potentially treat grape diseases. The robots, called phytopathologbots, utilize AI and image analysis to identify mildew infections.
  • Phytopathologbots, or PPBs, are robots used to monitor vineyards.
  • They use cameras to scan grapevines for signs of disease.
  • The robots are about five feet tall and resemble WALL-E crossed with a floor lamp.

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This is the sound of a robot rolling down a row of grapes and diagnosing the problems in the grape prop. It drives by itself, and while it kind of traverses through the vineyard, it takes the images of the grapevine canopy.

and start to use the input image to identify the disease infection. So this is Yu Jiang. He's an assistant professor of systems engineering and data analytics for specialty crops at Cornell Agritech. Very long title. Super long title. But what it means is that he's the nationwide expert on grape robotics. And he and his colleagues at Cornell Agritech, which is in upstate New York, where I went to interview him, built this grape scanning robot.

I'm going to send you a picture of that robot now, Emily, and we can make it the cover image for this episode so our listeners can look at it too. Okay. Oh, look at her go. Yeah, it's like if WALL-E from Pixar had a baby with a floor lamp. That's how I feel that this would look.

Yeah, exactly. It's around five, maybe a little over five feet tall. It's got wheels on the bottom and a camera on the side and then this kind of computer set up on the back. For data crunching, I imagine. Well, I want to learn more about this robot. Like, does it have a name? This one specifically does not have a name. But as a whole, all of these robots are called phytopathologbots or PBB for short.

PPB, phytophthalabon. But also I think from the engineering perspective, I love the acronym because it's short for parts per billion.

means super accurate. But what are they doing? Why are they roving these rows with cameras of all things? Are we just setting ourselves up to be replaced by robo-farmers? I mean, Emily, I can't give it all away. Let's just wait till after the break. Fair. Okay. So today on the show, the infections imperiling our grapes and the robots that could help farmers fight back. You're listening to Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR.

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Han, I am obsessed with robots. I actually dressed up as Eve for Halloween with my partner Duncan as Wally. That's so cute. And I really want to know all about Wally's cousins. This robot is so cute. Let's first talk about the problem the robot is solving for.

It has to do with crops and crop disease. Yes. So there's actually two types of diseases that growers are trying to tackle here. There's powdery mildew and downy mildew. These are two of the most devastating, I guess, diseases found in grapes. This is Philip Lujan. He's a plant pathologist and assistant professor at New Mexico State University. And he's responsible for disease diagnostics for crops really throughout the whole state.

He says these two diseases reduce the sugar content in these grapes. They make the grapes bitter and lower quality. Even as little as 3 to 5 percent of mildew infection in a vineyard can make the entire grape crop unusable for wine production. An infection of this extent, it's been described by researchers as giving the wine an oily, viscous mouthfeel. Terrible. Okay. What is causing this mildew? Isn't mildew usually related to dampness?

Yeah, so these two diseases, downy mildew and powdery mildew, they're caused by two totally different organisms. Oh, like these infections are not related to each other. No, not at all. Philip told me one is caused by a fungus and the other one is caused by a fungal organism. Kind of like a water mold. Okay. But the effect is low-key similar. The name is very descriptive of powdery mildew. It just looks like some white powder on the top of the leaves.

And if you look at downy mildew infected leaves, on the top of the leaves you're going to get sort of a yellowing color.

Sort of like an oil spot. You can tell which leaves are affected because they're like flaky or dirty looking. Powdery mildew creates cracks or lesions in the grapes, and downy mildew makes them more shrivelly and discolored. That's a sad state for these poor plants. Okay. And these types of mildew, they aren't just gross looking, they're also really bad for the plants and their grapes. It reduces photosynthesis.

It also reduces like crop yields as well. It can also affect grape quality. And Emily, once that mildew sets in, it's really hard to shake. What do you mean? So Philip lives in New Mexico where downy mildew isn't as much of an issue, right? Because it's so dry. And that's true also in California, which is where the majority of U.S. grapes are produced.

But he says that powdery mildew, the fungus spread disease, is capable of spreading anywhere. It can even overwinter, which means it

It survives through the cold season and then infects new leaves when it rains in the spring. When you get that rainfall, that rain splash, they sort of start the growing process of the fungus on the leaf. It develops spores and then those spores splash onto the new leaf, you know, in the spring. So that's sort of that disease cycle.

That is so pernicious. I mean, it shows the tenacity of this fungus. Respect. But also, these poor grapes. Yeah. But grape growers are crazy.

constantly working to combat this threat. Growers often spray 10 to 15 times fungicides per year. And so that's very concerning because, you know, these pathogens are always evolving. And so they're becoming more and more resistant to these sprays because they're spraying so often. So it's like when humans take antibiotics, the pathogens in our body can become more resistant in response to antibiotics.

And then we have to take stronger ones more often and it can become this vicious cycle. That's exactly the analogy that Philip used to explain this to me. He said these grape diseases are developing resistance faster than we're developing treatments. And so for that reason, we need to diversify the methods that we're using. So it takes a really, really long time for a new method.

fungicide to come out into the market. And so, you know, it could take 10, 15, 20 years to develop that. And so, you know, these fungi are becoming resistant at a much quicker rate. So if we don't want to use so many fungicides, the best thing to do is detect this mildew as early as possible, way before it becomes a problem. Right. Treat it at the source. How do people go about doing that?

So it's a really hard job, and it's usually done by skilled workers, right? People who are trained on how to spot these early stages of mildew. But they also have to be out in the field where there's no shade. They're walking down every row, and they're looking at each plant. And Yu Jiang from Cornell, he told me it can be really hard on those workers. I know many people are going to say, oh yeah, I'm going to enjoy the sunlight. But imagine you're going to work eight hours per day.

For the whole year of your job, just being in the field. Walking up and down the grass. Yes. And you need to check all these diseases we just look at around. You change your mind.

And you lose your passion. Okay, so is this the job for these uniquely equipped grape robots? This is a job for the robots. They go up and down the rows and they scan all the grapevines, like I mentioned earlier. And they take hundreds of thousands of pictures to detect the presence of mildew.

But Emily, even among all these hundreds of thousands of pictures, there's a problem. And it has to do with lighting. Sometimes, you know, the image you're taking in the morning would look very different than in the evening, right? And that's actually caused a lot of problems later on for the AI models. Oh, they're using AI. Okay, so this is like...

a data problem. Like the training data used for these robots says like disease looks one way, but out in the world, you're faced with all the variables of lighting of any photographer where it might not look the same. Yeah, exactly. And especially many of these, you know, disease symptoms are based on the color.

so that illumination is going to be the biggest challenge for the color consistency or the image quality consistency throughout the day. So to solve this problem of color consistency, they use flash for every single photo. It's like the grape robot version of a ring light. Nice. Well, they want that lighting to be consistent. So these robots, they roll down the row, they have their flash on. Yep. And they're taking a lot of photos.

two photos per second. They just sound like my parents. You see currently the robot kind of taking the picture. As I mentioned, once the picture is taken, it will transfer directly to the computer inside the small box. The computer then analyzes those photos and compares them to existing photos of diseased plants to make a diagnosis. And then the AI model will do the inference.

Basically calculate how many pixels representing the infections versus how many pixels representing the canopy. And then after the scanning, it will generate the map to showing the infection severity at each geographic location. So basically what he's saying is that it creates this huge map of the grape field, right? Indicating both where the mildew is and how bad it is.

This is very cool. Combine so much new technology from robotics to AI. How accurate, though, is this method? It is super accurate. So we just kind of finished a study to further verify its accuracy in terms of disease detection for various kinds of disease in different states like California, New York, Western Virginia. And we found overall we achieved around, you know,

over 90% of the accuracy for downy mildew, powdery mildew, and associated virus. Okay, 90% accuracy. That's pretty good. And what happens when mildew is detected? When they find it, they still have to treat it, right?

So you told me that eventually they're hoping to equip these robots with sprays so that they can treat the infections directly out in the field when they find them. That's cool. Yeah. And he showed me the next generation of these robots. They use similar technology to a Tesla, so they're actually self-driving. And they have cameras on both sides so they can scan twice as fast as the original robot. Wow.

You know, I said these robots were the cousin of WALL-E, but they're really the cousin of Eve. They're out here scanning plants to, like, protect nature. They're little eco-warriors or something. Absolutely. But he's working on other robots, too. Most of them are stored in a huge barn when they're not working. Some of them are small, and they roll through the field and pull weeds. Some of them are huge, like eight or nine feet tall, and they zap mildew in the middle of the night with UV light. But all of them are meant to make human grape farmers' jobs easier. Yeah.

And Emily, you know that not everyone is as excited about the robots as he is, right? These big robots that treat mildew in the middle of the night. He told me that one time the neighbors called the police because they didn't know what was going on. People just want to make sure everything is right.

The operators can't explain all the situation, but I think now people really understand, especially with years of these, you know, extension and outreach activities, people understand. Yeah, I'd be concerned if I saw a nine-foot-tall robot shining a UV light in the field next to me at midnight.

I would think I was getting abducted. Yeah, like, is it aliens? What's happening? And the other concern that people have that you mentioned to me is like, what if these robots take human jobs, right? Are they going to replace us? Many people think, oh, yeah, robots are going to replace humans. No, in my opinion, they're going to just complement, give us more capacity, more power.

that we can do way more than Earth as an individual in the future. So you're saying...

These robots, if they were, like, to scale in grape farms, in places that need them, they would have the potential to, like, help the farmers with their work. Yeah, exactly. And he's working with pilot groups, with farmers around Cornell, asking how they can make this technology work for them. Like, the ultimate goal of these robots isn't to take our jobs. It's just to help us do them differently. ♪

Hannah Chin, thank you for telling us all about these amazing robots. Yeah, thanks for having me. This episode was produced by Rachel Carlson, and it was edited by our showrunner, Rebecca Ramirez. Hannah Chin obviously did the fabulous reporting. Tyler Jones, check the facts. Zoe Wangenhoffen was the audio engineer. Beth Donovan is our senior director, and Colin Campbell is our senior vice president of podcasting strategy. I'm Emily Kwong. And I'm Hannah Chin. Thanks for listening to Shortwave from NPR. ♪

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