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Why Dew Point Is This Summer's 'It Girl'

2025/7/4
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Emily Kwong: 随着气候变化,热浪变得更加频繁和强烈。为了安全度过夏天,我们需要关注露点。露点是理解户外是否闷热的关键指标。我了解到露点可以帮助我们更好地了解天气的真实感受,从而做出更明智的决定。 Maddie Safaya: 我通常查看湿度来决定是否适合骑自行车。但仅凭湿度很难判断体感舒适度。我意识到相对湿度可能具有误导性,因为它没有考虑到温度的影响。我需要寻找更准确的指标来帮助我判断天气是否适合户外活动。 Thomas Liu: 我解释说,仅凭湿度很难判断体感舒适度,理解湿度需要考虑空气中的水分、温度以及二者之间的相互作用。我强调了露点的重要性,并解释了它如何更准确地衡量空气中的实际湿度。我希望通过这个节目,让大家了解露点,并在日常生活中加以应用。 Greg Jenkins: 我解释说,相对湿度是水蒸气含量与饱和状态下水蒸气的比率,气温是影响相对湿度的关键因素,暖空气比冷空气能容纳更多的水分。我还提到,露点温度可以更准确地衡量空气中的实际湿度,露点越高,空气中的水分越多,体感越差。我希望大家能够理解这些概念,并更好地应对高温天气。

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The introduction of the episode sets the scene by highlighting the extreme summer heat and the increasing frequency of heatwaves due to climate change. It introduces the concept of dew point and its importance in understanding how muggy it feels outside. It also includes a brief overview of the episode's content, focusing on the discussion of dew points and its relevance to summer safety.
  • Extreme summer heat and heat waves are becoming more frequent due to climate change.
  • Dew point is a key factor in understanding how muggy it feels outside.
  • The episode will discuss what dew point is and why it is important.

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Okay, I know Summer, like, just got here, but she is making her feelings known. There have been so many 90 and 100 degree days and afternoon thunderstorms, and then there was last month's heat dome, which brought oppressive heat to the eastern half of the U.S. Experts forecast that heat waves will only become more intense and more frequent with climate change. So how can we proceed with summer safely? Well, I'll let you in on a little secret. It's called...

The dew point. Former shortwave producer Thomas Liu reported this episode out a few years ago. You'll hear him chatting with my former co-host Maddie Safaya about what the dew point is and why some meteorologists say it's the key to understanding how truly swampy it is outside. Stay cool and keep listening to Shortwave, the science podcast from NPR.

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Okay, Thomas Liu, summer hater. Here's a scenario. I wake up in the morning. I'm preparing to go on an afternoon bike ride on my hog around the city. Check my weather app for the forecast. It's hot, you know, say about 85, but manageable. And the humidity is like 57%, let's say. Does that mean I'm still going to have like a nice bike ride or what?

Maybe, sort of. It's a little hard to tell with just humidity. Okay, but humidity is telling us how much water is in the air, right? Right, right, right. So, yes, here's where it gets a little bit tricky. To understand this, we need to consider a couple of things. Water in the air, temperature, and how these two interact with one another. Okay. So, I called up someone I thought might have some answers. Hi, I'm Greg Jenkins. I'm a professor in the Department of Meteorology and Atmospheric Sciences at

at Penn State University. And Greg explained relative humidity like this. Relative humidity is this ratio or percentage of water vapor over a term that is related to water vapor in a saturated state. Okay, okay. So I'm going to oversimplify here, but...

Relative humidity is the moisture content in the air compared to the maximum moisture content that could be in the air. Totes. That's why it's called relative humidity. It's not an absolute measure of moisture. Greg says a key factor in relative humidity is air temperature. You know, the number we usually look at when describing if it's going to be hot or cold out.

Warmer air can contain more moisture, while cooler air can contain less moisture.

So over the course of a day... If you just had the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere fixed and you let the temperature run its normal course, the relative humidity would go up and down just based on temperature. Okay, so you can have the same amount of moisture all day, but the relative humidity will change as the day gets hotter or colder. Yep, indeed. So here's another way to think about it.

Picture two drinking glasses, a pint glass and a juice glass. Okay. Since we know the warm air can hold more moisture, we'll use the larger pint glass to represent air that's 90 degrees Fahrenheit and the smaller juice glass to represent air that's 70 degrees Fahrenheit. Got it. If you fill each glass with water about halfway...

You'll have two different amounts of water in each glass. Oh, but you can still describe both glasses as having 50% relative humidity because they're both half full, even though one has much more water. Yeah.

Yes, exactly. That's exactly right. But I'm guessing that the 90 degree day or the bigger glass will probably feel a lot muggier? You'd probably be right, Maddie. But just seeing that percentage alone, you'll need to know a little more to help you decide how to dress for maximum comfort. Here, this is what Greg says. There are other terms that can be used to

to get an absolute sense of moisture in the atmosphere at any given time. Like dew point temperature, which can be a little more helpful, if not a little more accurate, to gauge how much moisture is actually in the air at any given time. Yeah, dew point is the temperature at which any parcel of air would become saturated. So at this point, the amount of water vapor is at its max. You're really on this edge where physical droplets of water...

kind of start to form. Oh, the do in dew point. Yes, exactly. The do in dew point. I'm getting it. Basically, what's happening is that air has cooled to a point, the dew point, where it can no longer hold water in its gas form. The water molecules are slowing down and forced out of the air, condensing around things like dust to form clouds.

Or your car window will have dew all over it, or the grass will have dew sitting on top of it. Condensation! Condensation it is! Okay, Thomas, so dew point sounds, I don't know, more fun and a little bit more accurate. I'll say it. Oh yeah, yeah, totally, Maddie. So, you know, to get you a little more jazzed up...

you know, like I am right now, you can totally find the dew point in the same place you're looking at your daily forecasts on your phone or on your weather app. So it's not something that we really need to calculate. In fact, it's reported from all of our observations at most of the weather stations around the country. The dew point is more of a concrete number. So let's go back to our drinking glass metaphor.

Both days had a relative humidity of 50%. That doesn't really tell you much, right? Right. But when we look at dew point, for the 90-degree day, the dew point was at 69 degrees. For the 75-degree day, the dew point was 51. Yeah, that's easier to compare. I mean, that feels like a lot more helpful. Right, exactly. And that's the dew point of it all. Okay. Here's a scale you can use based on the dew point to help you gauge how comfortable you're feeling.

Anything 55 and below is often described as dry or comfortable. Between 55 and 65, you'll start hearing words like sticky or damp. At 65 or above, people will start describing feeling like they're walking through a swamp.

When the dew point temperature starts to rise, it's telling us that the moisture in the environment is increasing. There's no doubt about that. And the closer, the higher it gets to the actual temperature, the worse it's going to be in terms of how the body feels. Okay, T. Lou, so we've chatted about relative humidity, the air temperature, and why dew point is a more absolute gauge of water in the atmosphere. But like,

When it comes to how I feel, like, why exactly does it matter? Like, talk to me about some biology. Yeah. In high heat, like the days of summer, our bodies are constantly trying to keep cool. Oh, yeah. Through sweat. It's been a real sweaty summer out here, Thomas. Oh, it's been gross, Maddie. I have been drenched all summer. But you see, sweat is one way our body cools itself off.

And on hot, humid days, the air is already pretty saturated with water, which unfortunately means sweat evaporates more slowly. So this leaves our skin feeling damp and sticky. And, you know, it collects on our skin and keeps our body warmer. And moist and gross. You know what? Yep. That's exactly it. Truly. But on a more serious note, Maddie.

Greg told me it actually ties into climate change. So as the temperature rises, we can estimate what the heat stress is on the body just by looking at temperature and dew point on the heat index and on the human body. And that heat index he's referencing, it's a chart put out by the National Weather Service. We'll link to it in our episode notes.

The chart takes into account temperature and moisture in the air to indicate how hot the weather feels to our body. In general, when the heat index goes above 90 degrees, you start to see health impacts. When the heat index goes beyond 105, the risk of heat exhaustion and cramping and sunstroke, those go up and people start to show up in emergency rooms.

If you go to a heat index beyond 130 degrees, you are likely going to see large numbers of fatalities. It's a little daunting to, you know, think about how much heat can affect our bodies. So on a day-to-day level, air temperatures, dew point, and relative humidity might help us decide what to wear or if we should go on a run or how much lotion to put on our bodies.

But from a big picture level, it also helps us measure and predict the impact of heat, which is super important as the climate heats up. Okay, Thomas Liu, I had no idea about Dewpoint. I am a convert. I appreciate you. This was awesome. Thank you so much. Thank you. This episode was reported and produced by Thomas Liu, edited by Giselle Grayson, and fact-checked by Indy Cara. The audio engineer for this episode was Kwesi Lee. I'm Maddie Safaya. Thanks for listening to Shortwave from NPR.

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