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- Guys. - Girls. - Welcome back. - Welcome back indeed. - So you may be thinking, ah, they're sat something different. - Yeah, they're angled. - Yeah, they're still on fucking tour. They promised they'd be back. Nah, bro. - No, we're back, we're here. - It's a new day, it's a new set and it's a new guest. - Yeah, it's a special guest. - A very special guest. We haven't actually had a guest in the studio since like October time. - Damn, it's been a minute.

and that was specs that was an amazing so big shoes to fill yeah facts don't speak yet sorry yeah yeah don't speak unless you're speaking yeah sorry bro yeah just do me a favor don't speak yet so we haven't had a guest since specs yeah that was an amazing episode it was big shoes and we've been slacking on the guest game so apologies guys big apologies we've been busy we've been busy bonding as um actual friends yeah but since you want fake friends in the house here we go today

So this guest, obviously everyone knows when they have a guest in, I like to do a nice big introduction. And this one is really, really nice because this is probably, I'm trying to think out of the guests that we've had. This may be, at least in recent years, our closest friend as a guest. Agreed. Very genuine as well. Yeah. So this introduction is going to be easy. So this man right here,

my first introduction with him yeah this was crazy this is this is probably like three years ago i still work in a full-time job i mine was definitely 2022 because i was still in mani yeah i also work a full-time job i was yeah and i opened my instagram i was driving home from work exhausted i opened my instagram i'm seeing some blue tick in there and i was like fuck is that yeah and then i open it i'm seeing this guy smiling like that with all his teeth on this display picture and i i

And I'm thinking, what's this now? I open the message, it's a voice note. And I was thinking, what could this possibly- - Out the blue. - Yeah, even be, bro. - You're a bit hesitant. - Yeah, I'm a bit hesitant 'cause I'm thinking, I don't, like, I feel like I know, the only reference I feel like I know this guy, I'm pretty sure I've seen him riding a horse in one of my friend's videos. That might be the same guy. I can't tell. But I open it now.

And the guy's laughing immediately. Immediately. And then proceeds to tell me how much he likes me and loves me. And I was like,

- Wow, this is a really, really moving moment. - It was. - And we became friends literally over Instagram that day. And we've been friends ever since. - Yeah, man. And same with me, Instagram, same story, Instagram voice note. And it was one of those ones where he really gave the flowers when it was, he said, "When it's due." And I was like, "Fucking hell, fair fucking." - He did say, "Yeah, give flowers when it's due." - He said, "Yeah, give flowers when it's due." - That's what he said. - And it's probably the first time

in our tenure of doing this, that someone's actually reached out in that way, you know? And I was like, wow, this is very wholesome. - Especially that early on as well. - Yeah, very wholesome, very genuine. I was like, thank you, bro. - I was like very, very, very, very grateful. - Yeah, same. - Yeah, I was driving an Audi Q3 at the time, just a snapshot of where my life was. - Yeah, that's how you know. I wasn't driving. That's how you know. I wasn't even driving.

Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, guys, please join us in a big warm welcome to a very fashionable, handsome man, a very talented musician, a very kind gentleman, Mr. Koji Radical. Come on. I do remember those voice notes. Bro. Yeah, bro. I'm very ridiculous in that way.

- I voice note you guys at the most rant like the most rant. - You do bro. I'm here for it though. - I'm here for it bro. - It will never stop. - A random voice note is probably my favorite thing in the world. - Yeah, that's all that's necessary. - Facts. - Just one or two, every now and again. - Yeah bro. - Just cackling about something, I don't know. - The last voice note interaction we had

- Oh no. - You were busy doing something or you were telling me a story about something and I got excited 'cause you'd sent like four in a row. - Yeah. - And I think I sprinted to my room for privacy and jumped on the bed and just listened. - 'Cause you never know. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'Cause you never know where this is gonna go. - You actually never know. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So yeah, man, thank you for that. - You're welcome. You're welcome, man. - And thank you for being a good friend. - Listen, I feel like when the cameras are off, people genuinely think all of this stuff is fake, but

I think for me, I know how much it meant to me in the early parts of me coming into the game when people would reach out and just say they've seen me. Do you know what I mean? Because a lot of the time when you're first starting out, that's all you want to be. It's just acknowledged a little bit. Do you know what I mean? Just like, okay, I'm walking the right line. Not even to say that my opinion means anything, but I think it's

Words of affirmation in any sense are always like helpful. So I'm glad I could be there for you guys. - You're a good spirit man. - Thank you. - Fuck you are a nice guy bro. - You really, really are. - You thought I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

I haven't been trained. - But now bro, thank you for coming. I know this has been a long time coming and I appreciate your- - Patience. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Let's have a hat. - Yeah.

- The last time, 'cause I didn't even hear it directly. I overheard Tia speaking to Lawrence. And then I heard her going through like the guest lineup and she was like, "Oh, Koji can't come on until this time." So I messaged him, I was like, "Wow." - Wow, innit? - Wow, you actually can't even be bothered. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - And then he proceeds to list every guest that we've ever had.

- And he's like, "I sat through this and I sat through that." - And I watched all the hours. - Yeah, fair. - Let's make sure this is a sizeable conversation, J. - Fair, fair, fair. - Let's start at the beginning. I was born in a hospital. - Yeah, bro. Sorry, G, but we appreciate you being here today. This is where it matters most. - Exactly, it's perfect timing, bro. - Yeah, you're our first guest of the year. - Valid. - You're the first person to see our new set. - Valid. - Love it, to be fair. - Cheers. - Thank you, bro. - I'm in mixed feelings, but we've already had that conversation. - Really? No, I'm digging the brown.

I like it. I think maybe we just need some more personal touches. - That's what we did say. - Yeah. - We did say that. - Just show it off a bit. Personality, come on, they love it. - Speaking of personality. - Go on. - What gave you the confidence to dress like you do? - Oh. - Or whom?

- Jesus. - 'Cause you're a very fashionable. - Yeah, flamboyant. - Yeah, flamboyant. And it works. - It works for you. - I couldn't. - Yeah. - You could. - Nah bro, okay, we've had this conversation. Light-skinned guys can't dress like you. - Fares, you could. - I'm not saying, agreed. - Next. - Bro, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Do you know what I mean? - Yeah. - With the sleeveless underneath. - Nah bro. - You pull it off, man. - They think I'm here to suck, suck. - You very much pull it off, bro. So where's the inspo? - Ooh, um.

- I don't know, I've always liked fashion. I grew up in Shoreditch, East London, so. - Makes sense. - So a lot of people experiment in any way. And then also like making a lot of errors. - Okay. - I think if you, for every fashionable person, there's a period of time where they did very specifically follow the trends to oblivion. To the point where it's like they've seen all hell and felt all hell. And you learn from your mistakes. And now I'm in this age now,

- Just whatever age I am now. - 23? - Something like that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You know what I mean? - Yeah. - They'll retinue every day I get. - Purge, yeah, you gotta purge with the father time, yeah, get him out. - Anyway, but now I just dress for me. I always tell people the key is buy what you like and wear your clothes. 'Cause like a lot of the time,

will go all out on this random item that's like, yeah, this is going to be the item. But you can only really pull it off once and then it's just sitting there. Do you know what I mean? And actually, your basics are where most of your swag come from. Do you know what I mean? More versatile that way. Yeah, man. You'll catch me in a vest and jeans any day. I just use it up every now and again. Okay. Sometimes it's this, sometimes it's that.

- Fair play bro. Damn, I admire you G. Cause you're in the fuck out of this. - You are. - Thank you. I made an effort. Now I knew it's big, big YouTube. Do you know what I mean? You guys got a couple mil now? - Something like that. - Something like that. - I can't remember. - I don't keep track. - It's not about the numbers. - Family, friends, like see it.

- Do you know what I mean? Future this tin now might see it. You never know. - Did you say future? - No, not a future this tin. - Oh, I didn't mean future. - Not himself. - I thought you said future by saying, I was like, fair. That would have been a very valid reason as to why you dress like that. So I was like, oh damn. That's specific for the reach of the stars. - Hey, maybe. - Yeah, bro. No, you dress well. You look fantastic. Some would say you're a heartthrob. - Who would say that?

I've heard Ting say it to me. - I love that. - I'm not gonna tell you who they were. - I love that for me. - But yeah, yeah, yeah. We've been in the same room with a couple of things and they've said, "That Koji, yeah?" - Yeah. - I've been like, "I know, bro." - He's a handsome guy. - I've been saying it. - He's a handsome guy, man. - He's a handsome guy, bro. It's jarring at times. - No. - What is he, six? How many, what, six one, six two? - Six two? - About six one. - Six one and a half, I think. - Yeah.

- Thanks. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Six, 2.5 with the right creps. - Aye. - And it matters. - And it matters. - It matters. - Yeah, we hugged a minute ago and my chin was raised. - Yeah, yeah. - Aye, it was livid. - Yeah. - I was livid. But yeah, what's it like being you, bro? Sit the fuck up. What's it like being you, bro? - Well, it's gone, man. Nah, I be just minding my business. That's my main thing, is how much can I mind my business and drink my water and just stay in my own peace. - Fair play. - So like, I think the reaction that you see

is I don't pop out too much in it. - Fair, when I do see you out, I get so excited. - It's always a surprise. - It's a warm embrace. - I wasn't expecting you to see out choices. - Yeah, I didn't be there. And then like the alcohol gets to me and then I work in the room, man. - Controlling the midfield. Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, fair play. - Certain players need to know what's going on. - Valid. - So we know when to make the right policies. - Come on, man. Come on, man. Free balls and them things, I hate you. - Almighty. - Fair play, bro. - Right, so.

Obviously, like you said, couple million subscribers and that. Couple is. For those who don't know you, how would you introduce yourself? Koji Radical. I'm a music artist primarily. I think that's where I kind of earn my chops, my bread and butter.

work in a bunch of fields. Like my background was in illustration and creative direction. That fell me into music through poetry. But then I was modeling when I was like more youthful, had the cheekbones, no beard, that type of vibe. I do a lot of voice acting. I act as well, present, hosting, vibing,

- Yeah, Jack of all trades, bro. - Yeah, man. I just like making my money anyhow I can. I'm happy to come to work. That's my thing. Every day I wake up, I say, "Where, how do I become employee of the month today?" - Today. - 'Cause I'm trying to save. - But the thing is, from what I've seen you do, like it all, it's not like,

anything I've ever seen you do, I've never like opened Instagram and seen like, oh, I did this yesterday. I've been thinking, that's random. It's always like, it's always adjacent to like your kind of personality, which I think is actually very rare. I think a lot of the times it comes from, I'll meet someone randomly, 20, 30 minute conversation. Okay.

will chin wag and then I try and leave an impression. So when they circle back and they want to work, they remember things that we've spoken about and things like that. And it's like, all right, cool. They'll do things that are in line with me as opposed to like, let's just throw him a random campaign. Plus like I've got a good team that will just like veto a lot of stuff before. - Oh gang, that's important bro. Jesus, that is important. - Yeah, just dash it out. So like, usually the things that I say yes to has probably been filtered.

- Where did the radical come from? - Do you know what? Nowhere, you know? - Okay. - People really think I chose it on some like, yo, I'm gonna change the world. But I was, I used to, well, I still kind of skate a little bit. - Nice. - And just certain words were cool to me, man. - Okay. - Outrageous, radical, awesome dude. Like, do you know what I mean? Whatever, innit? So radical was just a cool word. And then I used to draw.

Like when I say I used to draw, I can still draw, but that was my only thing. I wasn't doing music with it. I was the kid that sat at home and just drew pictures and comic books and created characters. And I drew a comic book cover one time and I was on the cover doing, I don't know, fucking karate or some shit. I don't fucking know any, but I was badding people up on the cover and it was my cover. And I needed to- - Do what I want. - I had muscles. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I titled it The Escapades of Koji Radical. - Okay. - 'Cause it was like the amazing adventures of Spider-Man, whatever. It was like that whole like, something, something of the hero. So I needed something and then I needed Radical. Then usernames were a ting. Bebo, Pixel, Myspace.

look down, see the comic book cover, Koji Radical. So it was just my username for time. And then I started bubbling and then it just made sense to stick with my username. But like Koji comes from my real name, Kojo. And then Radical was just a word I liked, but I lived up to it. - Fair play, bro. - Facts, bro. - It happened for a reason, man. - Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I'm getting more annoyed the more I hear it 'cause it's just like a very- - It's an effortless fit. - It's an effortless fit and it's just like,

- I said I'm getting annoyed. - I used to illustrate and like I got into that and it was poetry and it was all this whole- - Skateboarding. - Then we end up bored you with this skateboarding and then it's like, I'm just like, what are we going about? - Skating over this life. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's literally guided on his own life. Just being like, yeah, as you do. Say, say, say, as you do. As you do. - Yeah, but that's how I've lived my whole life, man. Genuinely, like I was kind of like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna do stuff.

And it was hard, I got fired from every job. - Okay. - That what? - I did my like run of retail. - God almighty. - So I started at French Connection. I was there a couple years. - That's a good start. - Yeah. - 'Cause I did Blue Ink. - That's harsh. - Yeah. - French Connection. - Yeah, French Connection. Russell Square when it was there, it's not even there no more. I was young, I think 16. Got that one for a bedroom really.

And then I was there for time. Then everyone started leaving. So then the liberties you was taking stopped being acceptable. I had to get out of there before. They looked bad on the resume. So I was like, let me cut. Went to COS and then I didn't pass probation. Yeah, but I feel like they was just hating on me really. And like they tried it on some like, there was like, blood. Listen, yeah, the stock room,

Nah, because I'm going to get mad again. I'm thinking about it. The stockroom was two floors up. Right. You have to take a lift to get up to the stockroom. The clothes don't have no name.

Like, no, it's just numbers. - Oh, okay, yeah, yeah. - And the yellow dress could be the same as other yellow dress, but this one's got a sachet and this one's got glitter or something like that. So someone could quickly go to you, "Oh, I beg you, grab this from the stock room." Which one? "Oh, green dress, corduroy." But it's three of them. They're looking for that. Come down, the customer's left. They try to hock me up for it. I'm not having it, I'm out of there. - The customer's left. - You're taking your time. - Yeah, I'm gonna do this. - Yeah, decision- - You're sweating. - The customer's left is hilarious.

- Because of my left. That's not my business, man. Another one came in. It's Westfield, man. It's busy, man. And you don't own this company. Get out of my face. So I'm just not employable. Yeah, yeah, I'm not very employable. I've worked all kinds of jobs. I was like, at one point I was a stage manager for a gay pantomime. - Damn. - How was that? - How, Koj? How? - How'd you get into that? - Someone called me, man. I was saying this to Ellis earlier, man. People would just be ringing me on some like, "Can you do this job?" And I'm like, "I don't like it, bro."

My CB's full of lights. It's full of... Damn. All up our lights. So yeah, man. Done buried them. Went there day one just asking questions, bro. Just asking questions. I could put a grown man in a corset at lightning speeds, though. Ha! Ha!

- Damn. - Trust me. - You know what I mean? - He's done stuff. - Quickly. - Damn, Coach. - Quickly, man. - So. - Hoxton Hall, sorry. - No, go on. - That's where I did it. Hoxton Hall, big up Hoxton Hall. They've actually thrown me a bunch of opportunities over the years. - After the gay pantomime thing? - Before and after. - Fair play. - I'm reliable. - Fair play. - I'm reliable, James. - Come on now. - So we heard through the grapevine, you're kind of like, I guess,

on brand, fallen into music, but I've never asked you anything about your life until today. So I'm like incredibly intrigued. I don't want to skirt over stuff. - Okay. - Tell us about getting into music for you. 'Cause it sounds fascinating. - Yeah. Very accidental. Never had many intentions of getting into music. Like I was saying, art kid, I was at uni,

and I was getting into poetry. And it was like, at the time, like a black renaissance was happening. Say renaissance to me, it was the first time it was happening, I was a kid, so it was just like, whoa, poets that were black like me, oh my God. It's like Solly Brakes, Sophia Thakkar, Nego Trude, George the Poet, Chosen, Bagger Man, Dilemma, Bagger Man was about, yeah. Solly Brakes came to my college one time, did a poem.

And I was like, yeah, boom, I could do that. And some cocky shit to my boy. He was like, do it then. Went away, wrote some stupid poem about feet. Come back, did it in the canteen. Everyone hears it. Oh my God, you're sick. Do it again.

I felt a rush. I felt a rush. I was like, I need this again. So I wrote my poem. - That would guess me too much. - Yeah. - No one can say you're a Sikh. - Yeah, it was dumb. It was just like, I was just like- - On a fetish thing? - Nah, just about someone that I butt his feet on a like that. - Oh, damn. - I was young and it was, that was the shit that was funny to me. Oh, your feet's out on the bus. Here's a whole poem about that. I'm like, I'm a kid, I'm a dumb.

- A poem about cussing someone's feet is the craziest thing I've ever heard in my life. - Yeah, I just listened to a woman's feet. - And people loved it. - Yeah. - People was like, do it again. - That's what, bro. - Do you know what's so funny, yeah? People was like, do it again. So much so that it was like, everyone wanted to be Jamal Edwards at the time. - Okay. - So everyone was doing their like, they had their version of SBTV. And like, I did, I can't, I was about to say the channel and I realized it might still be on YouTube. So I'm not gonna say the channel. But brother, I remember and I love you. You know who you are. I know I should have said it, but I can't, can't risk it. Anyway.

I did it for even like a YouTube channel on YouTube. It was getting views on there, whatever. I was like, I don't want to write joke poems. I felt like I had some stuff to say. So I started writing about life, politics. I was again, by this point I was like 19, 20. So I've got angst in me. I feel like I could change the world with my opinion. Crazy. So I started writing and I'm writing and I'm like going off. And then me and my boy Craig, bless him man. Do you know what's funny?

Craig's in the Cashmere Tears video and Craig was like one of my early directors. It was Craig, Lewis Levi, Alex,

me and Charlie Di Placido. Lewis Levi and Alex made up a collective called The Rest. They was from Northampton. - Gang? - Yeah, and they actually manage Slow Tie. Do you know what I mean? So like once they stopped filming, that's when they went on to do the one mad award with him. It was like, do you know what I mean? I'll just gas on my boys. - The fact that you remember where I'm from is actually such a compliment. Thank you very much. - You're welcome, man. I watched the show. I'm a fan. - Come on. - I've been a fan since the blanket on the sofa. - Yeah, come on, my brother. - Don't worry about me. Okay, been a Patreon.

Anyway. - Gang. - We were splitting pizzas, bro. Like, had no money. Like, I remember we shot this video called Bamboo. 'Cause actually, no, nah, I've gone too far forward. Let me go back. Craig found Lewis and Alex.

These times we was still at uni and we was doing these short films to these poems I would write called Chapter Two, yeah? There's different pages in it. We'd do these creative videos. And then I remember there's a picture of me and Craig, that's why I brought him up, there's a picture of me and Craig clinking teacups and laughing, yeah? That proper like full-bellied laughing. 'Cause we were so gassed because we put a video on YouTube and it got a thousand views.

That is, that is, I would be gassed too. Yeah. In our mind, all we could think was that's 998 more people than us. Yeah. So we was on, do you know what I mean? Like we was like, in my mind, I was delusional from day one. I was having a game. Yeah. They're checking for me, bro. They're checking for me. They're checking for me, bro. A thousand of them. You know what I'm saying? So anyway, now fast forward some time. I'm at uni. Um, and I've got to do my final major project. Um,

And I was doing illustration and I can draw. I'm like good. I can like hold my own weight. But I'm in a classroom now with a bag of people that are amazing. So I had to go, okay, what's my USP? And I lent more to creative direction. I was like, I can put things together crazy. So if I give myself a different catalyst, I can make it work in the context of presenting art and illustration. So I've gone to my lecturers and I'm like,

I think I wanna rap. And they kind of just looked at me like, huh? - I would have rolled my eyes. I'm not gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna lie to you. - Sit down. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Go Joe, sit down. - I would have been like, there had to be one, didn't there? - Yeah, yeah. - They really did. - Sit down, Mr. Radical. - It was probably like one of them films where there's one that believes in you. - Oh, Daniela. - A big rap every time. - Daniela, first name basis. - Daniela and Sue Dre. Sue Dre came around.

Sue, at first she didn't get it. But you was a believer by the end of it. I rate her. There was a third one. I don't remember her name because she was a hater and I don't remember my name. Fair, come on now. But anyway, I've gone to them. Yeah, I want to do this. They very gently told me, if you do this, you will fail. Wow. I was like, all right, I'm going to have to fail trying. Because...

a loophole i'm gonna find my way i said what if i did installation it's like i could work so what if it was sound installation it was like yeah we can mark that like oh and i was like but surely i have to make the sound and then it was like it was just that kind of very infuriating moment where he's like this kid's gonna do what he wants he's gonna do it so anyway i'm thinking i'm a failure i go off and um i was writing this like book or this story at the time

Because again, as a kid, I'd sit there and I'd make up characters and draw them and try and make my own comic book worlds and anime storyboards or whatever. I used to do all that stuff. I still do. But it's more like that's real behind the scenes recreational time. That's like, I want to have a childish moment. You'll see my living room just sprawl out with paint and crayons. I'm just drawing shit. Anywho, I make my first EP, which was a project called Dear Daisy. I put it on SoundCloud and Tumblr.

Because that was just the times. They ended up blowing up on Tumblr because homegirl that was the main girl, like Daisy, was Asian and motherfuckers on the internet just got some weird kink of Blasian couples. I was on the fuck yeah Blasian couples thing going off crazy. They was loving my shit. They was loving my shit. I was like, I'll take it. I'll take it. That's my little way in. I'll take it. Well, thank you for holding the door open for me.

So I'm in there like swimwear now. I'm trying on my ting that summer. Doing my little shows wherever people call me, I say I'm there. I come either at acapella, I had a guitarist that was just trying to make it work. Did a little headline show at Hoxton Hall. That's why I say shout out to Hoxton Hall. They kept throwing me alley-oops whenever I was like, I'm going to try a ting. Hopped off and I kind of like to my boy, I'm going to do music. And he's like, when? I was like, tomorrow. Like, why not? Like, I didn't have nothing else happening. I was just figuring it out. And so...

I remember the end of that summer comes and my boys called me that went to my uni and he was like, "Oh, you coming to the show?" I was like, "What show?" He's like, "Bro, the end of year show. They got all our work up on display. Like, surely you're coming?" I'm like, "Bro, I don't..." He's like, "Have you not checked the emails?" I was like, "What you mean the uni emails? You think I've logged into the uni emails since I left the gates, bro? I don't remember the password, bro. I'm gonna have to figure that out. Forget my password thing. I don't know." So he's like, "Bro, check it." I've gone down there, checked it.

Checking the results, they used to have it in number order, off your code innit? But I was looking for my number, I'm like, let me go near the bottom, I probably failed innit? Scrolling up, scrolling up, scrolling up. Long story short, did really well. Finished like top six in the class, got a first.

I was like, this is crazy. - First is crazy. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got first. I've got an honorary degree now. So now they, I went back and got a second diploma for my work in the arts since I graduated from uni. It was sick, like, to wear the robe again. My son was there, like, do you know what I mean? It was like, it was cold, man. - Come on, man. That is cold. - And like, for me,

Those are the things that come to mind when I think about like all the stuff that I've achieved in this stuff Yeah, as much as I've done crazy things. It's like I think about like that's sick. My song was there man That was almost there when I graduated that's cold. Mmm So boom, I go to the end of your show everyone's congratulating me or whatever, but I'm still kind of like I got go make certain of myself now in it and I wrote this song called bamboo which was completely different style and

to "Dear Daisy", but it's because again, I didn't come from music. - Okay. - I was just executing ideas. So I'd have an idea for something and just go make it. So I made this song called "Bamboo". These times I've lost the last retail job. So I didn't have, I used to get paid weekly. - Oh God, that's the devil. - That was the dream back in the day, man. - Yeah, damn. - And I was like, I was like type lazy, bro.

If I didn't want to be there, I'm not going to be there in it. So like there was overtime. I'm not taking it, bro. - Yeah, facts. Literally facts. Yes. - So that week that I lost the job is because I used to work at Box Park. - Okay. - There was closing that box. So they was like, "Oh, you don't like you're two months short of redundancy, but we can move you to the other store." And I was just like, "Just run me my last week's pay. I'm gonna figure it out. I'm just going from here, man." So I had my last little five bill. Remember it, man.

spread it out as much as I could but didn't go far. - Pause indeed bro. - Yeah, massive pause. - Spent a lot of it on PR for this rhythm, yeah? And the rest of it on that video, yeah? And then again, like I said, we were splitting pizzas. I remember me, Lewis, Alex, Craig, there used to be a shop up at Olive Cafe. If it's still there, big up you man. They used to do stone baked pizzas, three pound, little like 12 inch, cut that up four ways. - Pausing. - Boom.

Sustenance. Let's get back to jogging. Do you know what I mean? We need to get this footage shot today. People think I look margaret in that video. It's because I was hungry. I'm telling you, I was really hungry. But I was on doing weird shit from early. My skin was painted completely black. Sorry, bro.

- I'm telling you. - Your paws are the hell out of these. - Your paws are like crazy today, bro. I'm loving the story, but the paws moments are nuts. Man said me and my boys were surviving on 12 inches. - And keeping it joggy. - Yeah, keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it joggy. - And keeping it

- Fair play. - Sorry, sorry, sorry. - Is there immature children in that? - Sorry, sorry, sorry. - It happened, man. I'm all there, bro. I paused at the fashion awards, bro. - I was gonna talk to you about that. I was gonna say, I messaged you about it, no? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gassed. - I'm there with you, but so yeah, boom. We do that video. And again, I was the weird one, even when I was trying to get my face seen in this, by everybody that's now the scene.

I was painted completely black wearing my jewelry, women's wear clothing. I'm dancing. I used to have, my sister was a dancer. I studied dance from nine till 19. So physicality was part of my thing as well. So. - Talented family. - I was gonna say, where did you find the time? - Do you know what it was? Yeah, I'm the youngest and four sisters, one brother. And like we grew up in Hoxton. So that's generations of us growing up in Hoxton. I just think genuinely by the time it got to me,

All the fuckery had been like done. Do you know what I'm saying? So I come out and everyone was like protecting him from...

what could have been, do you know what I'm saying? Because I could have easily went down next pass and do you know what I'm saying? But, bro, I tried. I tried to bang, bro. I tried to, I tried, do you get me? I tried, man. I tried to do all of that, man. I was really trying. I was like, let me in the band, though. Let me in, man. Let me in. Oh, fuck. Damn. I was like, I'll back off. I'll do whatever. I'll do whatever.

- You know what I mean? Like I'm trying to get a part on Top Boy. - Wow! - Let me in, man! - Getting rejected from the road, man, like it's peak. - Yeah, dude. - It was like, no, man, you're a good kid, man. - Stick to your drawings. - Yeah, man. - Wow! - I'm sorry, dude, that's tough. - That's hilarious. - It's tough, man. I didn't qualify, I didn't get jumped in on nothing. - I'll back up or do anything. Fuck. That's hilarious. - Yeah, man. So, I dropped that, spent the money on PR.

Feedback comes back. Nobody's feeling it. I'm like, yo. - I would rock my chest. - Bro. - I'd give up that day. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. - Bro, I did. - I'll bet my job back. - And this is why God bless his soul. Like my boy Harry, like Harry Uzoka, that's like, anyone that's a fan of mine have seen me. I've done my colours. I dedicated to him. He passed sadly in 2018, but I remember that day,

I got another phone call again, phone rings I pick up, I say I could do the job they said they need me to model so I could come stand still. I pulled up, Harry's there. I've known him from before, but we hadn't seen each other in a while. So we're catching up while we're doing the shoot. The shoot ends up going viral or whatever at the time. But that was really just us, like even the shots of us laughing are genuinely just us catching up. - Okay, cool. - Had a great day. I finished the shoot, reality hits me. I'm back out here. So I'm sat in the corner, Harry comes up to me.

He's like, "Yo, what's up?" I said, "Bro, I spent my life on this video, bro. Ain't no one feeling it." He's like, "Show me the video. Show them the Bamboo video." He's like, "Bro, this is the greatest thing I've seen. Give me an hour." Starts ringing people. This is how Charlie Di Placido gets involved. He was my old, I say old, that's like forever and a day really. But he really bankrolled a lot of the early videos himself just because he believed in the kids.

He was one of our directors and producers. And then he called some other people. Next thing you know, the video was on the fader. So then it comes out on the fader, ends up buzzing off that. Because viral back in the day, it's not you, man. I hear it. But why not? Humble numbers, innit? So back then, I was up. At the time, I felt like I was really on top of the world. And again, I'm delusional.

I was getting a thousand views. So like now what, when I'm seeing a 10K, a 20K, a 40K, a 50K, I'm thinking no one can stop me. I'm going for it. - Well played, G. - Appreciate it. - Should we play the game? - Yeah, I was gonna say, we've done a lot of talking. Let's have some fun. Not to say that this wasn't fun, 'cause I'm locked in. When you speak, I lock in. I'm not gonna lie to you. - Nah, yeah, I hear it. Do you know what it is? I feel like I told my origin story more times than Spider-Man, so. - Fair play to you. - I know how that feels. - Yeah. - I know how that feels. - Right, we got a game called, what would Koji do?

- Oh yeah. - Right? Ramski, do you wanna set the premise? - Okay, so game we're playing, what would Koji do? We've got some fake scenarios set up and what we're gonna figure out is what would you do? - What would I do? - What would you do? - It's a good game. I like the name of this game. - There's some options that the boys are gonna choose from. I'm gonna read out what the description is. There'll be options on the screen. You won't tell exactly what it is first. Let the boys decide between them what you would do and then you'll reveal afterwards. - Cool, sounds good. - Cool.

You're walking through a London street and stumble upon an underground rap battle. Someone calls you out. What do you do? A. Act like I don't speak English. Nod aggressively. Start beatboxing. And then let them figure out what to do with that energy. I'm going to laugh it off. Big them up. And let them have their moment. Or I'm going to look dead at my opponent and scream out, I say yo! And then start the beef from there. The rap out from there. 100%. I already know my answer.

- I know my answer. - Should we say it on three? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - One, two, three, C. - Point each. - Come on, man. - Nice. - All right, okay, I'm locked in now. - Yeah. - 100%, I've been waiting. - You've been waiting to stumble across an underground rabbit hole. - I just walked through certain parts of London just hoping someone pops out. - Like Batman. - Yeah, just like, yo, who's on it? - You're gonna look for a rabbit hole and get stabbed. - I said, yo! I'm ready, no hezi. - Wow, that's hilarious. You're performing live.

And halfway through your set, the power cuts out. The crowd is still watching. What do you do? - Ooh. - I feel like I know what to do. - It's a good scenario. I like this one, to be fair. - Okay. - A, acapella, no hezi. I'm telling everyone get their phone lights out and I'll just ride out the rest of the song. Just have a moment with the crowd. B, laugh, chat to the audience. Make it a moment but through words instead of just an awkward pause.

C, turn to the team and go, "So who's getting fired?" - Oh, these are three plausible scenarios. - They actually are, I'm torn. - Did you say all the lights go out, the mic is out, everything is out? - Just, oh, just the lights. - Is it just power or lights? - Yeah. - This is important. - It's very important.

- So the mic's not working? - Both. - The mic's not working, the lights are out. Interesting. So acapella no hezi, laugh and chat with the audience, or turn to the scene and say, who's getting fired? - Who's out of it? - Let me know. - Who's out of it? - Who's out of it? That's fucking hilarious. Who's out of it? Let me know. - I think I've got my answer. - I think I've got my answer. - I'm gonna let you land first. I don't think we have the same answer.

Okay, I trust that you're not gonna cheat. - I'm not gonna cheat. - All right, I'm gonna go with A. - Okay, mine is B. I said it to Rem. - Yeah, he said- - Okay, cool, cool, cool. I'm gonna go with A. The reason I'm gonna say A is from what I've seen from Koji is Guy's a performer. So before I even met Koji, one thing I never said to him is before I ever met him,

I think Jacob mentioned him to me one time and said, he thinks that you're probably the best performer he's ever seen. - Oh, wow. - Wow. - That means a lot coming from Jacob. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. He genuinely said you're one of the best performers he's ever seen. - He's so stush bro. - He's stush. - Yeah, he said, I reckon Kodji is like the best, if not one of the best performers I've ever seen. - Jacob will humble you in the most like,

I remember, I think it was at the after party for your O2 thing. Oh right, yeah, yeah. And I've gone up to him once, I'm like, let me just quickly banter with Jake real quick. I'm like, yeah, you might be playing Call of Duty, innit? What, what, what? My invite gets lost. He's just like, looked at me and he's pointed at someone, he's gone, you see him there, his KD is one. That's probably Nick over there. That's probably Nick over there in the corner. And I've just gone,

That's it. Damn. I was like, one. Yeah. That is crazy. All right, cool. I can reveal to you that someone's...

- Someone's up. - I didn't even finish my explanation. - Finish your explanation. - So the reason I picked A is from what I've seen this guy as a performer and if anything, the lights cutting out would spur him on more. - The thing is I agree with that, but this is why I had to ask if the lights are out, if the lights and the power are out. So I feel like not being able to project, acapella is gonna, oh, to be fair, acapella now makes sense 'cause they'll be singing along.

- But yeah, to laugh and chat with the audience, depending on the size of the arena. Come on now. Yeah, I'm gonna still stick with B 'cause I said B, but I understand where A is coming from. - The correct answer was in fact A. - Fair play. - Let's go, bro. Let's go, bro. - All right, number three. - Thank you very much. - Two one. - Also before we go, Bud, speaking of performing,

I can't remember where you were performing. I wasn't invited, so I had to see it on Instagram, but that's nothing to do with you. - With me? - No, no, no, of course not. - 'Cause I looked back, you looked at me, I was thinking, what did I do? - I wanna say- - Was he on stage with someone else? - He was on stage by himself. - Oh. - Right, what'd I do? - You were performing

- Somewhere. - Some gala. - Was it recent? - No, it was like two years ago. - What did you, Guap one. - Did you perform at Guap? - I did a Guap Gala, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was there. You did like a triple spin and I've never seen anyone spin so smoothly. - Triple spin, like MJ. He was holding his huck. He tucked, this is the dancing training he was talking about. - Oh, fair. - He literally spanned on his heels. - And then just landed it. It was like,

- Damn, is anyone else talking about this? - Do you know what, and I don't feel like enough people do, but don't worry, I'm back outside. I'm back outside, I'll let it be known. I'm back outside, if you see me on the bill, come see it. - Bros! - Never seen nothing like it. - Yeah. - It's two years belated, but touche on the spin move, bro. - Thank you, man, I appreciate it. - I remember sitting there thinking, damn! - Hey, listen. - I already knew he tucked. - Yeah, he did tuck, yeah, aerodynamic.

- Listen, I do my part, man. - Fair play. - All right, scenario number three. - Also just to double back, the KD that Jay mentioned was probably closer to a 6.1 for Nick. - Yeah, it wasn't one. - If he pointed at me, it was probably one. If you pointed at Nick, it was probably 6.1. - To be fair, whatever the number was, it humbled me so quickly. - It humbles all of us. - And if one humbled you, then you deserve to be humbled. - Yeah, to be fair, 'cause that's- - One just means- - You just live and die.

- You shouldn't be playing, that's me. - Nick, my 6.1, something crazy like that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Look at these bang outs, bro. - Damn, fair play. - Sometimes it's vibes, man. - To be fair, Nick drops his, did you see Nick's post earlier? - No. - His time spent on that game. - Oh, what is it? - What is it, like 9,000 hours or some shit like that? - No, what? - What is it? - 900 hours? - 900 in without. - I hear it. - That's enough. - I'm on Marvel Rivals now. - Oh, same. - I'm a Lord Storm.

You need a teammate? Shout me, Rubo. Are you serious? I'm out of here, bro. You're a Lord Storm? I'm a Lord Storm, bro. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Lock in. Can we take a break for the game for a second? Lock in, lock in. Right.

- Okay. I was streaming Rivals last night. - Okay, how'd you? - With, say again? - Yeah, no, I was saying, okay, here you go. - Oh, so if you're down. - I'm down. - Bro, I could use a Lord Storm. - I'm about. - I'm making Invisible Woman. I'm chasing Lord and Invisible Woman right now. - Is it? - Mm-hmm. - You can do it. She's like necessary. I think it's nice to pair her with a Scarlet Witch 'cause then you can like, oh.

- No one can't see you lot. Scarlet Witch in the middle. - The fact that you know to combine a Scarlet Witch alt with a Invisible Woman alt, that's a new strap that only got clocked back a week ago. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. Doctor Strange, Moon Knight, dirty. The Aya Agamotto or whatever he does. - My brother's a Lord Strange. - This is what I'm talking about. - So this could pattern up. And then I play him with, do you know Ashraf, Uncle Ashraf? - Could do. - Could do. - Anyway, I was playing with him. He's a Lord...

Adam Warlock as well. - I like this. - Yeah, so this could- - Right back on point. - This really could pattern. - I'm out here. I'm out here. And if it's getting on top, I'm a decent Thor. - A decent Thor? - Mm-hmm. - Okay. I'm a decent Thor as well. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I'm pretty convinced I'm, like, I don't have the rank to represent it. What rank are you? - I'm just now starting to grind him, so I think I'm like the one before Centurion. - Oh, no, no, no. What rank overall? - Oh, I mean, it's been a season that

- If you said gold, what? - Nah, nah, nah, nah. No, no, not silver. Like I'm legit, I'm not a, I guess I said one before, but I'm all right out here. I'm like plat two. - That's higher than me. I'm plat, I'm, are you plat two? - I'm like, because I teeter. Sometimes I'm two, sometimes I'm three. It depends, you know how it goes. - I'm three right now, so it's calm. - That's fine. - Plat two's like my highest as well, so. - Then, do you know what?

- I see you brother. - I'm being dead ass we can run it like on Saturday if you're down. - Shut up mate, what evening things? - Yeah, yeah. - Perfect. I'm about. - I've never been more excited about anything. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm dead serious. What do you play on PlayStation? - PC. - Oh come. - Oh no. - Console don't. - Yeah, we can't cross play. - You can't cross play ranked. - We could quick match. - I'll buy you a PC tomorrow bro 'cause I'm serious about this. I really wanna do this.

- I put a controller in it. - Can you take them off on this? Live on screen, don't cut this out. You say you're gonna buy me a pizza, I want a nice one. I wanna, 'cause I can see some see-through ones in here. I know what them ones cost. - With the neon lights. - Yeah, I need something like that and we can talk.

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- If we play a quick match and you just pattern everything, I will buy you a PC. - Heard you, heard it here first, yeah? Lovely. 'Cause you know he likes to take things back. We're still waiting for the shorts, James. - Oh yeah, you have to get... Fair. Fair. Yeah, if you MVP it, that's fair. - I've got MVP? How many games do I have to get to MVP? 'Cause you know I'm gonna be working. - Like three, four games. - Okay, cool. - And I won't even play Storm, 'cause I MVP Storm. - Okay, cool, say less. - Sue Storm, sorry. - Oh yeah, cool. Say less, say less.

I'm ready. Sorry, anyway, next scenario is a little side quest. I like it. I know, I'm here for it. Next scenario. You're walking through East London and you see someone blasting your song out of a speaker. They don't realise you're there. What do you do? A, I just people watch. I'd maybe go say hi. B, I'd walk past, enjoy the moment. No need to make it about me. Yeah, it's basically the same as A. But one I did say, one I didn't.

C. Go over and dance with them And thank them for listening to my music I've got my answer Interesting I've got my answer 2-1 currently

- I'll go first, 'cause you went first last time. - Okay. - I think you will walk past, enjoy the moment and not need to make it about yourself. - Okay. - 'Cause you're a humble king. See what I'm saying? - Yeah. - Magana Limbaugh, I'm gonna say C, you know? - Yeah. - Yeah, I think he's gonna vibe and then be gracious enough to thank them for listening to his music. - You're both wrong. - Fair. - So it's still 2-1, it was A. - Fair. - Just people watch. - Yeah, do you know why this has happened?

And the problem with my music is I'm not an internet guy. This is probably one of the more like, obviously, enough subscribers and that big up you man. This is like, I don't really pop out like that. You see, I don't pop out. So the music goes, I don't go with the music. - Yeah, yeah. - So some people bang out my music. They know it word for word and don't have a Scooby what I look like. Do you know what I mean? Or like they'll hear about me or see me or something else, go back and

"Oh, let me search them up." And I realized they really got some of my tunes on there. So I've had an instance where I've walked up to someone where they was playing my rhythms and I've gone, "Appreciate you, man." And they're looking at me like, "Who's this guy busking?" - Busking is crazy. - He was asking for a change. - That's crazy.

I can't do the public embarrassment like that again. - Fair, fair. - Fair! He's asking for change. Nah, bro. - This is Gary, bro. - Yeah, nah, bro. That's Rob. That must be, I've always thought about this, that actually, do you, how do you feel about that? Because I can only imagine in some, like, it must be a really, really nice way to live your life in terms of being able to get

your expression and your art out into the world and also get the recognition for it but also just walk through Shoreditch and no one bothers you. - But I need that. - Yeah, I was gonna say. - I'm a civilian. I like to remind people even when they come up to me, the interactions that people have with me are always super like,

I'll ask them about their day. I'm like, "Where you going after this?" I'll make the moment so like, we just caught each other on a humble one because I need you to understand you're gonna see me again. Do you get me? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You're probably gonna see me again 'cause I'm frequent. There's certain places I'm about, they will see me on my little skateboard or whatever or just bopping around. Especially 'cause I've gotta be about with my son. Do you get me? And like, when I'm with little man,

I enjoy people to like just know, give him his 10 minutes. You know what I'm saying or whatever. So yeah, man, I'm too shook. - Fair. - I'm too shook to like, they might not know. Like I genuinely think that, they know the song, but they might not know who I am. - Fair play. - Damn, okay, cool. - Fair play. - Interesting. Banging, all right, cool. Still 2-1? - Yeah, still 2-1. - 2-1. - So scenario number four. - Number four, yeah. - A high tech company offers you a hundred grand to clone you for an experiment. - Right. - What do you do?

A, nope, I'm not trying to be in a movie plot where I get killed by my own clone. B, being two places at once doubles the bag, so I'm in. C, do I get to keep the clone? If not, I'm haggling 'cause 100 beans ain't enough. - I'm torn. - I'm torn 'cause I wouldn't have thought any of these. - Really? - Mm. - What would you have thought? - One is screaming out to me. - Is it? - It could be the wrong one. - One is screaming out to me, but I never thought that would be the reason.

If that makes sense. What did you... When you say it was none of these, what did you think? I would still have gone A, B and no. You wouldn't want to do it. I wouldn't have thought... Because I didn't want to get killed by the clone. Yeah, I don't think that would have been the reason. Especially because I'm murking the clone. You could be the clone. Either way, I'm going to be prime. I'm twisting him up. I would...

I think it would have been no, but you wouldn't have wanted someone else to be as artistic as you in that way. - Right, right, right. - You see what I'm saying? 'Cause your creativity is your creativity. - Yeah, yeah, and I want the limelight. - Not even necessarily about the limelight. It's not even about the limelight. It's more so about

someone having the ability to have your ideas and your creative lifestyle. Because as you've expressed, you are a very creative person. So yeah, having that, I don't know, I feel like that would have been more of a super last one. I'm still going to go A because it says no. I'm going to say B, you know. Doubles the bag, fair play. Yeah. Based on his statement at the beginning of the episode, saying that he wants to be everyday figuring out

- Where is he employed? - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - He calls out to me. - Do you know what's funny? - I was torn between C as well. - I just see Mickey 17 the other day. - Oh, I didn't even know what it's about, but there's a bear of his face on the thing, innit? - The guy that directed, thing he directed that. - Parasite. - Parasite. Yeah, he directed that. - I did know that. - Yeah, yeah. - Good shot. It's a bang on. - Hang on Letterboxd if anyone cares about my review. Selfish plug.

- Wait, what? - Yeah, I'll be on there. I reviewed Wreck-It Ralph the other day 'cause my son was watching it and I was just like- - Let me jump on Letterboxd and just- - Just tell him what I think about Wreck-It Ralph and stuff. And then from there I had the bug. - Damn, what did you think about it? - About Mickey 17 or Wreck-It Ralph? - First, Wreck-It Ralph first. - My son said,

He didn't like the fact that he was smashing up the cake all the time. He would never smash up the cake. That's good cake. But he did like the trains that got them to everywhere. Overall, good movie. And I'm inclined to agree with him. Do you know what I mean? I think he has a valid point. Mickey 17, amazing movie. I need to watch that. It's an amazing movie. And...

I feel like my answer could have been based on my thoughts and feelings after watching that movie. Okay. Okay, cool. So what's the answer? The answer is in fact C. I fucking knew that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My thing is, yeah, is who's got the clone? So they've come and said, 100 bags, clone you up. We're out of here with the clone. I might still be inclined to be like,

- Why not? For the plot, yeah? But not for a hundred beans. - A hundred bags is cheap. - Cheap for a clone, innit? - Yeah, who wrote that question?

- Tati? - Cheap skates. - Yeah, 100 bags for an entire clone is- - Is that what I'm worth? - Yeah, 100 bags. - I've been living. - Do you know what I'm saying? I'm all right on 100 bags. I can do that on my own. Do you get me? So if there's gonna be two of me, I need two more zeros on the end of them. - Come on. - Mini. - That's what I thought. - Do you get me? - Well played. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta keep the clone or, 'cause no, if it's like 100 bags, but it's your clone,

- But do you decide what the clone does or is he his own thinking, feeling person? - In my mind, they're testing the research and they're like, yo, we need some Guinea pigs. Your DNA patterns out as like the best amongst the human race. - As it would. - So we wanna like really like just go all out day one. We'll pay you a hundred bags.

We'll even give you the clone. We just need to make sure this machine works. Then we're gonna use it, clone bear people in the army and go take over Elon Musk and space in that. - Do you assume that like once you get the 100 bags, they've done the experiments now,

Then it's just me and the clone figuring out Zack and Cody. Yeah, just vibing. And you assume he's on the same wave as you. I'm just happy to be here. I hope so. Otherwise, I'm going to murk him. And that's the story, isn't it? That's the film. I used to fantasize about fighting myself. Would you feel a type of way if you murked your own clone? Depends, innit? If he was badding me up,

- Can you imagine if you got smacked to pieces by your own clone? - Yeah. - We have the same strength. - Yeah, he wants it more. - Yeah, he wants it more. - Yeah, he wants it more and wherever he knows his speed, like some people, sometimes it's technique. We can have the same equal power bar. - Yeah. - But one of us is just quicker. - Damn. - He ain't got the years of like,

- Like medication in his lungs. - True. - Damn yeah, he hasn't got the pollution. Imagine your lungs just give out bro. - Do you know what I'm saying? I'm tired after round three. He's just like, I could do this all day. - Yeah, he hasn't had to deal with your son. He hasn't had to deal with the people that's like, yeah, doing none of that. - At all, damn. - At all. He's like, what is that? I didn't do that. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You gotta slice him in his sleep. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You gotta slice him in his sleep. After day one, what? Yeah, yeah. - Paranoid. - 100%, 100%. But yeah, I think I have to,

- I'd want responsibility of my clone. - Fair play. - All right, cool. - Last but not least, I can have a draw, all you're gonna win. - Yeah. - All right. - You're given the opportunity to rename the streets of London. What would you change your first one to? - A, Legacy Lane. It's something that actually means something like, that's my legacy, but it's that lane. Windsor Palace to Windrush Yard.

See how they like it. Because they were changing up the tube lines and I don't agree with them. No one wants that. See how they like it. That's hilarious. Keep it simple. Just name the road after my mum. Keep it moving. I think I have my answer. I think I have my answer. Do you want it on the count of three? Yes. Some extra suspense? Yeah. Love this. Ready? One, two, three. C. Interesting. Any of us right? Yeah. Oh my God. God.

- Should we find out at the end of the show? - What a sick twist. What a sick twist. - You know what, we actually can do that. - We can do that. - We can do that. - We can do that. - We'll come back to it, man. We'll come back to it. - Yeah. - All right, that's the end of that segment, guys. So we now have questions from the wild, wild west for you to answer. So what you're gonna do is you're gonna read out some questions and answer them for yourself. So these are questions from

the fandom, the audience, your audience, everything. And yeah, we just want to know how you feel about them, what your answers are. - Where did the nickname Houdini Kojini with the porn star martini, the chocolate cupboard saviour with no behaviour come from? - Jesus. - It's not the first time you've read that. - Yeah, it's not. It's his nickname. - Yeah, it's his name, but he reeled it. - Yeah. - Who was the first, was it Raph Reilly? I feel like Raph Reilly was the first one to call me Houdini Kojini. 'Cause people would just like call me, like I record really quick. It was Raph Reilly, big up Raph Reilly.

And I record really quick. Like if someone shouts me to do a record and I feel the record, I could just go in and lace it. And I think I did that for one of his records and he was like, "Rav, it's like magic." Like Houdini Kojini. And I liked it so I kept it. And then I was writing Silk, yeah? With Masego for the last album. And these times I started writing Silk on Instagram Live. And I had no trim. It was lockdown, innit? So I was, but there's no trim.

I'm writing this rhythm that Blue Lab Beats has sent to me and I'm getting into the chorus. And it's a song, the song for context is a song about feeling yourself in it. Like you're looking good today, you're dressing good, just swag's heavy, letting people know. But I didn't feel pain. So I go to my room, I grab a little silk shirt, a Christian Dior headband. Remember I was lost back in the day, I was spending my money on the wrong things. Yeah.

And I'm sat at the camera and I'm just screaming like, I'm Barbra Streisand. No one's got the range like me. I'm ready to go. And in the middle, I just go on a rant where I just start saying all my nicknames. Okay. Like Houdini Kojini, Sir William Radical, One Take Koji, Pablo S. Koji. Just bury them. There was one time I was on stage and I forgot all of the ones in order in it. Okay. So I freestyled.

And I said the first one I remember, which was Houdini Kojini. And then I freestyled the rest where I was like, Houdini Kojini with the porn star martini, the chocolate cupboard saviour with no behaviour. And I'm here to be your host for the evening. Like, do you know what I mean? Or whatever. And just flowed like that. And then it stuck. And I was saying it. But, like, the origin story's been kind of dry, man. Fair, bro. Fair play. That was funny. Yeah. Fair play. Okay, cool. Yeah, man. Next question. Calm. What's the most meaningful show you've done? Ooh.

meaningful, loads of shows come to mind for different reasons. Actually, I tell this one because I actually pitched it for a TV show. But it was like, the TV show is completely different to this story, but this is where the idea initially came from. And it was one of my earlier shows at the time, Bamboo's Out. So we're talking back then, this is like 2015.

And I get asked to go on tour with a band called Young Fathers. They're a rock... It's funny because at the time they would call themselves a pop band to go anti-establishment. So the whole thing was like, there was three brothers from...

from Glasgow making rock music but their whole thing was if everyone thinks it's popular it's pop music so suck your mum that's their thing so yeah I was rating it everyone was rating it at the time they just won a Mercury Prize bring bring remember I answered my phone I got the little back line next to the bed and I just pray it rings because employment someone calls

"Coach, the boys want you to go on tour." I say, "What boys?" They say, "Young fathers." I say, "How'd you get my number?" I didn't know them from nowhere. Someone gave it to them. I'm on the road now. Funny enough, these times, Mumsy didn't even know I did music. I had to go tell my mum like, "Yo, I gotta go on like a 17 date tour." She's like, "For what?" I was like, "I kinda rap."

- That's a yucky conversation at first. - Kind of rap a little bit. And funny enough, my sister's my manager now, but God bless her soul, she was like to my mum, "I think you should go." And then she sat there with me on train line and helped me map it out. And there was no money. And we were staying in all kinds of places. Funny enough, actually, boom, spice up this story, I suppose. So this particular day, I'm on this tour now, we're in Oxford. We normally land in a place and

cool, we're going to go hotel, soundcheck, show, boom, out. Get to Oxford, normally get there by Uber. Oxford don't have no Ubers. So you have to take a cab. Depending on where you're going, cab costs more or less. So, getting the cab, boss man's like, it's going to cost a little bit more. I'm like, cool, in the car now. I was just with

Again, it was low budget time, so it was just me and a guitarist and that was it. That was the show. One D.I. We're on the way to the hotel. Driver's like, "Ah, something about this road sounds familiar." I'm like, "That's strange." Get closer now, we're about two minutes away. He's like, "There's a brothel on this road." Stops the car. I'm looking at Jude like, "What's my man talking about here?" So we get out and go inside this house. It's this old couple now, just talking mad fast.

And asked us to sign this contract. Nah, give us the key. The key says something like 110. Bear in mind, this is just a house. Like we walked into a house that more or less just has a little sign on the door saying certain hotel. They're like, yeah, your room's like 100 doors down. So it's in another house, 100 doors down. This is like the dark side of booking.com. This is the side they don't tell you about. You really ain't got no money. You can really be in some dark places, yeah? So we walked 100 doors down.

Open the door now, sticky notes on the door. 1, 2, 3, 4. Look at the key, we're in room 2. Someone walks past us. Guy and a girl go into room 4.

Better judgment tells me they don't know each other from back in the day. Yeah. So I'm looking at Jude like, I think we might be in the brothel now. Get into the room. Disgusting. They starched them sheets with... That's made me feel sick. Stamp in there. Room just looks green. The TV's got the bumper on it. It's a movie. It's disgusting. We're like, we can't stay here. Go back. Boom. Have to...

Like, get onto my man, get the money back now. Jude, he, I had to subdue Jude because Jude is like, he's just one of them anomaly people. Black guy wears a flat cap, knows taekwondo, plays guitar, knows Japanese. Yeah. That's his character description. Yeah, yeah. He's a humble, quiet guy, but he'll kick you in your neck. Yeah. So I'm having to stop Jude from kicking my man in the neck. I get my...

I get my money back, but not all of it. These times I'm probably already in the red. I've got to get another hotel. Go to that hotel, quickly drop the stuff off, come back to the show, have dinner with young fathers, step on the stage now. I'm performing and I'm on my second to last song. And as I'm performing, I'm going off, I'm going off. I look up at the sound guy, he's like, cut the mic off. Mid-song. Mid-song. Just charged it. Charged it.

Bear in mind, this is like the seventh show. So night after night, we unplug the guitar, we walk off the stage, the band stuff's already there, there's no changeover. So he's tapping his watch on something like, "We've got to get the stage ready for them." I'm like, "Once we unplug the stage, it's ready." So you just didn't like me. - Damn. - You get me? - I didn't, the mic weren't even on to say goodbye to the people, they might just kind of like, "Love." And then I've just gone into the changing room, I'm sat there looking at the ceiling. I'm telling you, bro. Not all pretty, man. I'm telling you, bro.

I'm just looking at the ceiling, bro. - Man cut the ting and said, move on, move on. It's all waffle, bro. - Yeah, what we doing here? - Yeah, what we doing here? - What we doing here? And I'm telling you, I'm sat in the back staring at the ceiling. Bear in mind, remember I didn't come from, this isn't my dream from when I'm a kid. Like, yo, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna make it. I just had nothing else going for me. This is the thing that God's decided

you're gonna make your money doing and i'm sat there going i don't know if i could do this you know i bet i don't know i really had to like dig deep and say to myself what else are you gonna do and i think from there the energy that i gave music was all in thing because i had to pattern it so that could never happen to me again so i promise you a stage wouldn't see me again bro i can if there's one thing in my life i can promise is that a stage would not see me again if a random sound guy cut you off cut and said

- Keep it stepping G. - Change over. - These are minutes of my life I'm not getting back. And I have to take action. Get off the stage. - Get off the stage.

- And you were at show seven out of 17. - Seven out of 17. - I couldn't work the next day. - No, no, no, I couldn't. - I couldn't 'cause I had PTSD. - Yeah, I told the fathers, you're already into red, bro. - Yeah. - I'm getting like 150 a night, which was originally 100 a night, but young fathers was like, "We'll give you 50 of our cheque, just so you can get from city to city more constantly." - Jesus Christ. - Bless them, man. They proper like put me on, man, but like.

That sound engineer, I'm still waiting to buck him, man. I'm going to see him somewhere, man. That will murk me. I'd speed through my set just so that happened again. Yeah, I don't think...

i'm trying to think i don't think we've had any anything close to that and i'm glad about it no offense but yeah that's um that's the worst thing i've heard yeah man proper proper i said i sat down and stared at the ceiling do i need to chase this anymore seven of seventeen yeah nah i've got ten to go nah bro i couldn't i'm telling you so i pitched the show that was basically it's about another like industry but

But looking at it from them times, because everything's all glitz and glamour. What's it like when you're getting booed off or heckled? Do you get me? What's it really like following that stuff? Because I think that will encourage a lot more people to understand the reality of chasing a dream. Do you know what I mean? I think that's the positives of you, man. If people have been following your team and seen where it comes from,

You have to see grind. A lot of things just pop off overnight like these days and there's no grind. Like you have to see the grind. And nine times out of 10, that's what shapes you and gets you ready for the big time, for the plex. Thank you, bro. Thank you, bro. Question real quick. What's it like? Because based on that story, it's got me thinking like,

What's it like being someone who does both in terms of headlining your own shows and having your own show sold out and all this kind of thing, and then accompanying a quote unquote bigger artist and being like, I know people aren't here to see me. - I love it. - Yeah, I was gonna say, you seem like the kind of person, like you said, you like going against the grain, like, yeah, I'ma prove to these men. - Don't get me wrong, my shows are lit. I have a great time.

I had to get it out of the mud from the jump. I was the poet on the lineup of music artists, people that have been doing music, whatever. I was the poetry kid. I'm having to get people's attention there. Or it's like even trying to get your music out there on radio, I'm not making pop tunes or whatever. Nah, play this weird five minute alternative track on Radio One, please. I've got to make you believe it. And I feel like no matter how big you get,

There's a reason why LeBron still plays. Do you get me? You have to actively stay sharp. You've got to do it. And just doing your own thing consistently gets you used to a certain lifestyle and just the ease of it all. It's not easy. Do you know what I'm saying? Certain places are easier than others. Certain crowds are easier than others. I supported a bunch of people. Pusha T was... I supported Pusha T, Daniel Cesar, Kano,

Thames.

- Yeah, 'cause it's gonna be bad if I supported you, I love you in it. - That's a good catalog though. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's a strong catalog. - That's a strong catalog. - I was jealous when you was doing the temp thing, I'm not gonna lie. - That was a good time, man. - All right, guys, so we are going to do Rhyme Time with Koji Radical. So now I'm pretty sure, I would say Darkus has been the best that we've ever had. - He was too cold. - Play Rhyme Time. He was incredible. Ellis is obviously our second.

- Yeah. - Best contestant, in my opinion. This is the first time we've had a musician try to play, a self-proclaimed poet. - Mm.

- That's all you bragged about in the first half. - Yeah, that's all you spoke. - I told you I lie on my CV. - No, no, no, no, no. - I lie. - That's all you said. And he said, "I can just go in the booth and lace it." - Yeah, facts. - That's what he said. - If I'm feeling the beat, I can lace it. - He said, he could just call me up. Man said, "I'm Houdini, I can just go in there and lace it." - Man said he walks the streets of London begging for an I Said Yo. - Yeah! - I've been waiting. - Yeah, so this is your moment, bro. You're in London. - East, specifically. - Yeah, you're in East and there's a rap battle about to go down.

- Okay. Right, okay. So the name that we're gonna go off today is Doja Cat. Who's gonna start? - Not me. - Why not? - Not me. I need to understand the nature of the game. - Okay, cool, cool. Okay, I think it's just fair that we start with you and then we'll- - All right. - All right. - We'll clockwise it. - I'm Doja Cat. I'm a simple man. I like my pussy Doja Fat. - I don't talk too much. I don't doja chat.

- She's got an ass, I wanna see a doja clap. - Talk to me nice, give me that doja chat. - Not again. - Not again. - Did you say that? - How can we do this twice in a row? - Remski. - I genuinely didn't hear what you said. I heard clap and I heard cat, I'm sorry.

- I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm not doing this on purpose, bro. - I feel like you are. - I didn't hear what you said. It's you again as well. - That's what I'm saying. - I didn't hear what you said specifically for you. - I don't do that with the mandem. I just didn't hear what you said. And I just go like, oh. - Oh, 'cause you said that one already. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I can't believe you said that.

- Okay, yeah, okay, all right. So you left, that's the rule, so he's out. - Yeah, I'm out. - He's charged. - I've seen what he said, it's happened before. - Early doors, early doors. - Sorry, Ellis? - I'm hitting these verses out of the park with my dojo bat. - Oh, okay. - Cool. Put your face against the wall, hear that dojo splat. I might come in sight and tarts, call out the dojo strap. - Oh. - With the addies. - I'm feeling extra tired, I've been running dojo laps. - Fair.

I'm flying through this Gotta give myself a doja pat Very nice Surely Surely it's a time I don't If there was you would have lost Yeah So let's give grace Let's give grace Alright I don't just sit on the stoop I'm a doja shat

- Okay. - I don't understand the super, I just know it's a shot. - Yeah. Like shit shot past tense. - Okay. - If I have to explain it, fine. - No, no, no, no, no. - You don't need to explain it. - I'm saying if I have to explain it, we can charge it. - No, it's fine. - Okay, cool. - I was just trying to understand the rhyme. That's all. - I'm also feeling a bit shitty. Call it Doja scat. - Okay. - Smoking on something loud, they gave me the Doja pack. - Ooh.

- Nah, I'm out. - I'm not feeling too high. I'm a bit Doja Flat. - I'm out. - What is it? Okay. So we switching it for the- - No, you go. You go until there's a winner. - Is it me? Yeah. - Yeah, 'cause I'm out. - Okay, cool. Let me just, let me kind of breathe.

Oh no, wait. I'm not out, no. I'm not out. - Hey, that's it. What did you say earlier? Isn't there a timer now? - Yeah, 'cause no, 'cause I'm checking, there wasn't one. So, I got all day, apparently. And, whew, it's getting hot in here. Something about, you get me? I said, "Yo, um, yo, um, wait, yo, um." - I think you're right, I'm not gonna lie to you. - Yeah, yeah, wait, no. Boom, noughts and crosses. I'm not,

A tick but I'll give you the doja tack. Toe. This guy's chatting shit, he's a doja prat. Ooh, he's already come back. Is it? Oh, I was gonna say prat. Listen, man's mad tall like a tree, you get me? And on top of that tree is a doja.

- What's a bird that rhymes with at? - Charge, charge, charge. - If it's not Doja this, it's Doja that. - Give me a second. - No, no, no, we can charge it bro, we can charge it. - No, I'm joking, I'm at. No, I was at early because my brain wants to go near rhymes. But do you know what I mean? I think we should do another round and just scrap that one from the hole. - They call that artistic license. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanna just really like get comfortable, do you get me?

- That's my thing, but obviously, what's my best name? - I like to go near rhymes. - Do you have a name or artist in mind you wanna rhyme off? - Oh, we're really bad at this. Okay, Georgia Smith. - Oh gosh, okay. - Me and my girl been arguing, we've had a Georgia tiff. - Very nice. Arguments getting heated, don't wanna jump off that Georgia cliff. - Oh. - Wrapping on this pod, everyone thinks I'm a Georgia myth.

Very nice. I'm rolling that Georgia spliff. Oh, I'm annoyed. I'm out because I was going to say spliff. Pete. Bottling a genie and making a Georgia wish. Oh, we're going near rhymes. Yeah, he likes to go near rhymes. Hey, listen. We're here now. Cleaning the floor with these rhymes. Give me that Georgia sith. Because it's like a cleaner. You don't use sith? Nah. No? I've got a cleaner. How do you?

- He's never visited that hour, he's made it. - I'm playing, I'm playing, I'm playing, I'm playing. I just felt embarrassed, I don't know what that is. What's it called, WIF? - CIF. - CIF. - CIF. - CIF. - What does it do?

- It's like a- - It's a cleaning product. - Like a bleach. - Oh, the spray thing for the toilet. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Oh, okay. Yeah. My bad. I do know what that is. - I'm out. 'Cause I've got a word, but I can't think of a rhyme for it. - Go for it, bro. Let's figure it out together. - No, I genuinely can't. - All right, well, he's out. Let's get him out of the way 'cause he's trouble. - He's out, he's out, he's out. It's too long. - Smith. Okay, cool. I like to spend my money. I'm shopping in Georgia Kith. - Good job.

I just had one in my head. Oh, always on target. I could never Georgia miss. Hmm. Hmm. Rhyming to Ross. Yeah, near rhyming. Are we not near? It's fine if you, we're allowing you to do it. Please. Yeah. That is hard, you know. Trust me, it's not always. It's calm, bro. It's not always roses. It's not always roses. Sometimes you've got to get them near rhymes, man. Do you know what I mean? Kanye said, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Facts, he did. I've said it six times. Yeah.

I'm out. I'm out. Okay, damn. It's you two again. Fucking hell. It's a tough one. Snakes in the grass. I'm listening for that Georgia hiss. Georgia hiss. You're making me kind of mad. You're taking the Georgia piss. Let's make up then. Give me that Georgia kiss. Because I was going to say kiss. I know you were. All right, cool.

Yikes. Yeah, you got me again. So you said, you said. - He said kiss. - He said kiss, yeah? - Yeah, yeah. - He said kiss. All right, cool. 'Cause he said kiss. And then last time I said miss. - What are you doing? What's all this thinking time? - Boom. I'm out at sea. I'm trying to Georgia fish. Jesus. It's closer, another near rhyme again. - I'm understanding these near rhymes now. I'm getting the Georgia gist. - Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. Ooh, because I should have thought of one while you was doing that.

'Cause you, you, Georgia. - Oh my days. Charge. - Please charge. - Koji, you've lost. You've lost and it's okay.

If I knew we're doing the around for the jump, I would have said something else close to split. But I chose to be out. - I'm surprised you let it cook for this long. - I am as well. - I'm also surprised we let it cook for this long. - Oh yeah, all right, charge. - Yeah. - All right. - Before. - I feel like I won that though. But anyway, go on. - Before we wrap up the show. - That's how you got to where you are. - Yeah, valid. - That feeling. - That's how you got to where you are today. - Before we wrap up the show, there's two things. Firstly.

I need you to let us know who got the answer right in that previous question. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Full circle moment. - Full circle moment. - Do you know what I'm saying? That's how you do it. - That's all I've been thinking about. - Engagement. - He's waffling, he's forgot. - Do you know what I mean? - He's waffling, he's forgot. - We're on that long watch time. 100%. ♪ Da da da da da da ♪ Should we drum roll? - Do we even remember what the ting was? - I remember who got it right.

- Yes, James. - Gang. - Fair play. - He got it right. - Oh, the legacy lane wins are right. - Yeah, you said B and I said I'd change it to win Rashad. - That's what I said. - That's what he said. - That's what I said. - How was it? - I believe, so the score was 2-1. - So it's a draw. - Foo had got the point and yeah, so that made it 2-2. - Oh, I forgot. I didn't even know. See, that's the problem with waiting till the end of the show. But yeah, okay, no, it's 2-2 then.

- So you wouldn't name it after your mum? - No. - Interesting. - No, no, no. Do you know why? Because my mum's got a bait name, like Janet. So that's not special enough. I would name it after, but it depends on the road, 'cause I wouldn't want to name no idiot road after my mum. - Fair enough. - Fair play. - Do you know what I'm saying? It has to be a Leng Road. - Fair play. - More like Dawson, she used to frequent Dawson Market. I renamed Dawson Market after my mum. But actually, nah, I'm a bit of a troll, so I'd go for the palace. - All right, bro. - I want them to give them diamonds back.

i'm gonna campaign right man this um this is a fantastic as well the store they got one of our stools from ghana they got one and you guys sorry my bad it's all good bro bro i was gonna say this was a fantastic episode this is your camera please yeah go off say what you need to say shout out probably what you need to be it's been a long time coming um i was meant to have been a guest ages ago but we're here now we're here today um no one to blame for that apart from the people to blame for that but

We've made it happen. We're here. I've had a great time. You guys have had a jolly good? Yeah, man. Incredible time, bro. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Appreciate you. Album on the way. Come on. And if you see me about, I'm outside, man. I'm chilling, man. You'll see me. Fair. Ladies and gentlemen, Koji Radical. Brought to you by Hoolarius. Stand-up comedy now on Hulu. Hey, everybody. Hulu has a bunch of new stand-up specials that aren't just funny. They're Hoolarius.

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