Raya and Sekina
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what's going on everybody i'm mara and i'm tess and welcome back to sisters who kill y'all this week's episode is actually the real definition of sisters who kill

Our players this week are Rhea, born in 1875, and Sakina, born around 1885. And they are this week's murderesses. So for this episode, we are going all the way to Egypt. Rhea and Sakina were born in El Aban, Egypt. And they grew up poor. They didn't actually get a lot of love and affection from their parents. Their father died.

pretty much wasn't on the scene from the very beginning and their mom was known as an egocentric woman that was unable to love so basically she was a narcissist right like they had an older brother and it was very hard for their older brother to actually find work so the women actually had to go out and find work and the way that they found work he was described hold on

He was described as a ne'er-do-well, but I don't exactly know what that means. What does that mean? A what? A ne'er-do-well. I don't know what that means. Okay. Great. So because of that, I guess, the older brother could not find work. So the girls had to go out and find work. And while the mom was finding money, she was doing it, you know,

By robbing and hitting licks at the time. And what she would do is have Raya and Sakina help her go and hit licks. So Raya and Sakina from a young age were... It's kind of what you see in the movies where the kids kind of are looking cute and they need something. I can just imagine both of them looking adorable and helpless. And boom, their mom comes up behind and steals the wallet or something like that. I'm making that story up, but...

So these girls knew how to finesse from a very young age. And as they got older, their mom continued to encourage them to get into a life of crime. Now, it was rumored that before they were old enough, before they were older, their mom was kind of like pimping the girls out.

um there's a play there's a comedy play about their story and we'll get into it later but that suggest that place kind of suggests that maybe like sold them off to to marriage like really was putting the girls in a sex ring in a very early age and they were trying to survive the entire family was just trying to survive and the sisters worked on and off they were sometimes working in cafes they were sometimes working on the street um

And Sakina was known for selling her body for food. I mean, like, it's a joke. Like, it's a place you got to be to be selling your body for food, you know? Yeah. And then probably at a young age, it probably wasn't even just food for her. She probably had to look out for her brother and sister. She's trying to get food for everybody. And this is the only way that you have been taught to do it. So as they grow older, their life of crime never really ceased. Right.

Now, I heard they got some jobs as some clerks or whatever, but the money wasn't the same. I'm sure, like, even waitressing is, like, usually good tips or whatever, but the money's not the same. So right before World War I, Sakina visits Rhea in the hospital. Rhea had an STD that she probably got prostituting for food, and Sakina came, you know, to keep her sister company and look after her.

While at the hospital, she met her future husband. Now this is future husband number two. But there was another one in there somewhere. But...

This play that I know you guys, it's a whole musical. Well, it's a play with music. We'll get into it. But it kind of made the suggestion that the first husband, she was kind of sold off to him and he was older. Because they don't mention much of him. And then her second husband. Right. And in this play, and a lot of the facts in the play are not right. And, you know, it's a comedy. So a lot of things are exaggerated. But in this play, it kind of suggested that she was 16 and he was 70.

That's how the scene goes. And so, you know, he probably died. So, yeah. Sakina falls in love and her and her man, they move to Upper Egypt. If you're close to the Nile, you're important, right? It's like probably good real estate there.

They moved to Alexandria. And the thing about Alexandria is it's this rich city if you're in that central area. But the outskirts are impoverished and like the water by the Nile is not clean. You know what I mean? It's just a bad place.

to be in. Kind of like most major cities. Yeah, like you can look in and see, like, these people are living. And then right outside of it, like, Buckhead is so nice just for you to go 15 minutes down the road and there's homeless people everywhere. So, Raya followed them and she also, Raya, once she got out of the hospital, she followed her sister and her new husband to Alexandria. And there, she met her new husband, a man named Hasfala. And,

Both husbands ended up having to go off to war because World War I broke out. And they were... What happened was Egypt was currently under British rule, right?

The Brits went off to war, and of course they're going to make all the Egyptian men go and fight their battles because European men are pussies. So the women were left at home to fend for themselves. And what did that mean? Well, at first they were doing textile work like cotton, but the cotton industry went down because everybody was off of war. So what did they have to do? They had to get into sex work. Old faithful sex work. And you know, that's interesting because, you know, over here in America...

When our men went off to war, we were able to rely on building up industrial cities and the women just took over. We played baseball. We ran companies. We're going to be some niggas now. Back and took over everything. Yeah, but I just I think it's very interesting, like the different resources you have available because every place can't be industrialized. You know, you have to have the right resources there to do it.

And I wonder if that played a part onto why they didn't have as many options. I'm sure because they're impoverished and under British rule. So they're only now they have to rely on the British to give those tools, which they're not, even if they had them beforehand. So Sakina divorced her husband because he was always gone. And I guess she ain't like that. She got married for the third time and together with her sister-in-law.

They opened up a brothel. Having us a good time. They had Sugar Avery up and dancing at the juke joint. They had everybody. They said you could come and drink and have some hashish. Hashish. Hashish. Is that weed? I think it's weed. Because one of her husbands was transporting it. Okay. So I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They was trapping out the band, though, for real. They were just rumored.

to have prostitutes at this brothel. Whenever the twins were confronted, it was like, in my spot? Oh, no. Because they were like, men are coming in and out. But here's the thing. Prostitution was legal at the time. But they had it on the down low because you know taxes. And it's still frowned upon. Right. It's still frowned upon. And, you know, I'm sure taxes. None of our resources say taxes. But as soon as I saw that, I was like, taxes. I think it's because it's still frowned upon. And, you know, you just don't.

People are going to be like, they're running a sex ring. You need to shut it down or whatever. Right. They were paying off the police. And they also had strongmen or like bodyguards. And I don't know if these people were their husbands or extramen. No. So the strongmen were extra. They were basically the gangsters on the street. They was the bodies. They was the muscle. Right. And so they were...

Just like if you were running something outside and you needed the local gang to back you up, you would give them a little bit of money to make sure that they make sure everything is copacetic around here. And so it was like, anybody look like they trying to tell on us? Handle that. But here's the thing, y'all. They were renting out a lot of homes to have the brothel. But here's the thing. The main one was right next to the police station. Which I don't understand. How was that ever a good location for you?

like right and like not just like the arabic police station like the brit the brits are there too you know the soldiers are there they bold yeah i thought that was wild so everything was going good for the sisters for a little while but in march of 1919 there was like a call for independence from the british rule because americans that are listening to this been there done that got the t-shirt right um

So when that happened, the Brits started putting a curfew on the city. Put a curfew on the city, brothel goes down, no one can get money. So now they're back to stealing food and money. They're back to stealing for food. What did Latin say? Gotta steal to eat, gotta eat to live. Yeah, basically. Gotta get it. Yeah. And so Ray and her husband were arrested for stealing. They were incarcerated for about six months. And...

When they got out, they were like, okay, Reyes, Keena, husbands were like, all right, we got to find a better way. We got to get some money. We got to get it quick. You know, these girls we got coming in and out of here, we need to profit more off of them. Okay, so here's where the story gets kind of twisted for me, right? Y'all know it's very hard for us when we go back in time because stories change depending on who tell it. Yeah.

So at this part, it gets kind of tricky. So they were running the brothel and I heard one person tell it to where they said, you know, they had it set up with the pros. It's OK, you go, you don't work this man. You're going to give us half of what you make.

And you can keep the other half. And, you know, when things are good and the British soldiers were there, that was good because British soldiers buying them up. Right. But when the troops left, that's when things went down. And the curfew. And the curfew. Right. So what this meant was they said the girls, the sisters would not accept less than half a street value. You know what I'm saying? So I guess like if a blowjob is $50, you owe me $25. And if he only gave you $30, you still owe me $25. Right.

You know what I mean? So the girl. So they didn't take in inflation and deflation. No. The dollar was not worth the same, but they did not care. You owe me half of what the street value is. And if this is what it's supposed to be, I can't help that you didn't get your money worth. That's your problem or mine. So. A blowjob for $10. I know you're just made up those numbers, but Lord. I said 50. I know, but if you. Oh.

do it for 30 and got to give them 25. Oh Lord, a blowjob for $5. So yeah, tough. So back in Egypt, they didn't, and in this time period, they did not carry cash or money. They, they would just turn their money into gold and wear it on them as opposed to keeping it in a bank. And so, cause there's so much value in gold and gold is not going, it gold's always going to increase in value. Yeah.

So when things were good, the girls, you know, they had lots of jewelry. They were adorned in it, you know, because they was making money while the troops was there. And things slowed down, and the sisters are like, we still got a lot of jewelry on you, but my pockets ain't looking how they're supposed to be looking. So I'm feeling a little cheated in this situation, and it's looking like you owe me something. Here's my thing that I've been thinking while we've been researching this case, and I'm glad that you said it the way that you said it because...

If I got this gold necklace back when things were good, and right now I'm giving $5 blowjobs, this is my savings, not what I owe you. You should have took it off and left it at the house, dude.

You're out here walking around like a rich bitch. You better pay me some rich money. No, but they said that having the jewelry on, that's what made people want you. That's what made soldiers and clientele want you. Because if you are adoring, that means that you're good at your job. And he going to want somebody that's going to give a good $5 job, you know? I guess she said that wasn't really our problem. That story goes that when the girls wasn't paying up, you know,

The sisters would come and say, let's have a little chat, have a drink, let's do some drugs. You owed me money, and if you ain't want to pay up, I'm going to take it. So they had the strong man hold the girls down. One sister held the head, and another sister got a rag and put it over their face and smothered them to death. Then got all the jewelry and divided it amongst the four of them and went about their day.

They said that the girls got so excited, they was like, damn, this shit was easy fucking money. Mm-hmm. That's how I think we're going to roll with it. So that's just one story. Because the other way they tell it was that they weren't killing the pros. They were killing the rich women in town. No, they was killing the pros. Because some of them were their friends, apparently, allegedly. Yeah. But they were saying, like, I think three different sources I looked at were saying they learned how to scout out the rich women. And so maybe it was a combination of both. Maybe it was, like...

Maybe it started off like that. Maybe the term rich women just means people that had a lot of jewelry. Well, you know, they're right on the outskirts of Alexandria. So you just got to go into town to see the rich people. I mean, but only a few were actually reported missing, which tells us that a lot of the women weren't really. No, I think a lot of them were reported missing. There were newspaper articles saying, why doesn't Egypt care about their people? Why are the police letting this many women go missing before they're doing any investigation? Yeah.

It was like this poor Egyptian country can't handle their shit, and girls are just disappearing. They was killing them, Moe's. They was trashing Egypt. They was trampling through. We haven't even told about what happened. So they saw that they had the money, and they would kill them. I mean, they would kill them. They were either killing the pros, the rich women in town, maybe a combination of both. But, um...

You know, the process was still the same. Lure them back to the house, drug them up, either on coke, alcohol, heroin, and then suffocate them. So then you're left with the trouble of what to do with the body, right? So one day on McCoy Street in Alexandria, Egypt, a house kind of close to the police station, there was an empty house there.

That they were trying to get prepared for a rental. It was the neighbor's house. Something was going on. But there was a guy installing plumbing. Now, I don't know why they chose this guy to install the plumbing. Because he was damn near blind, if not blind. Why you got somebody that can't see working on the house? I don't understand. Working on the crib. Like, I could... No. You can't see. Yeah. You are a liability. So...

I heard, you know, the house used to be a brothel and they, you know, had to go to police and get these people kicked out of the house. And it's finally empty. It's been empty for two weeks. They've got to get some money. Right. So they're like, let's fix this plumbing. Let's get it rented. So the blind man is out there digging in the ground and his shovel hits something. So she's like, what could that be? Don't got good eyes. So he's got to feel his way through it. Yep. So he's digging his hands in the ground, trying to figure out. And all of a sudden he touches something.

Not just one. Just at this house. So.

What do they do? They're like, we've got to, you know, there was reports of women missing. But missing is one thing. I know what you all are thinking. What about that smell? So here's the thing. Before they left that house and all of their houses, the chimneys would be smoking because they would be burning so many incense trying to mask the smells of these homes. And people would ask, why you got so many incense burning? Like, it's...

I like it. It helps me relax. It's smoky. They're like, oh, you know, people are in here drinking and smoking, and it just purifies the air, y'all. I just imagine. Do you remember Pose when Elektra killed that man? Are you about to spoil this for me? Because I haven't seen the third season. This is season one. When she's sitting in the closet, she killed that man. He's wrapped up, and she's got a whole bunch of air fresheners in the closet.

sitting there because she killed that person they're decomposing those that smell i haven't smelled a dead body i've smelled like a decomposing like rat which was very nasty but that's probably as far as my um decomposing smells have gone yeah um but it's it's foul i'm sure

People say they can't. Yeah, Mariah is over here imagining the smell. She's got her shirt over her nose as if she can smell it right now. No, it's because my nose is red. My nose is red. I thought she could smell it right now. No. I was like, is it coming back to you, Fruit? You know, I just finished that performance, and I had to sing Strange Fruit every night. And in that song, and burn flesh. Each time I used to be like, oh. Like, I knew.

I knew, Billy, what you were... I mean, Ella, I knew what you were... What you were feeling. And Nina, yeah, you killed that shit, too. Y'all did. You know, the police, they were getting the rope, so they have to actually go and investigate. So...

They first thing they do is look who lived in the house last and the house was last under the name of Sakina or under Sakina's name. So the police are trying to figure out who these women are. There are so many bodies and they're coming up extremely quickly. Remember, the police station is right in front of their home. So police are in and out of this home.

Now, some of the bodies were disfigured and some of them, one body could only be recognized because of a long black strip of hair and just a couple of pieces of tattered fabric. One person was identified because there was a sock. And so the family was able to like identify who the sock belonged to. And remember, like Tazi said, women have been going missing and have been reported missing all over Alexandria at this point. So the police are like, okay,

All these women have been going missing. Let's talk to these families. And a lot of people were starting, eyewitnesses were like, oh yeah, this woman that went missing so-and-so ago, I did see them at the market talking to Sakina. I did see them at the market talking to Raya. Finally, bodies are being, names are being given to bodies. Some of them, a lot of them were still unclaimed. So from November,

So from November 1919 to November 1920. So this little reign of terror was literally a year of them just really going crazy. Some people say maybe two, but like not a lot of time. Not a lot of time. So that is pretty much the timeline that they were killing. So they go to question Sakina and Raya, as always. They question Raya and...

Once again, they're getting that really strong stench at the house that they're at. They remember that everywhere they go, they'd be getting that strong incense stench. And they're like, okay, we about to search the house, all right? And they finally realized that if they dig under the tile that's on the floor, under the tiles, they ended up digging up 15 corpses and two skeletal remains where they came to visit.

Imagine them coming to question you. You'd be like, ah. It was like, that floor tile looked a little newer than the rest of them. Can I look right over there? And you're like... And then the fact that there's two skeletal remains means they've been there a while. They've had time to fully decompose. The fact that there's 15 corpses means that those are not fully decomposed. You know? That means that they were really going... Damn. Crazy. And so they said this at some point...

The woman would die, and wherever she laid, they would just dig around her. They wouldn't even, like... They didn't even care where they were. They didn't even pick her up and move her somewhere. They just dug around her until she was deep enough and put the soil on top. Or the cement back on top. And obviously not a good job. Okay, so Sakina and Raya, at first, they refused to say anything. But once these bodies kept popping up, and they kept popping up, and they kept popping up, the girls...

started to spill the beans. There were 17... There are reports to be between 17 to maybe about 50 women between the ages of 17 and 50. And it's crazy how they went through this whole year, possibly two years, year and a half-ish, basically smooth-talking their way out of prison. Yeah. Smooth-talking, like, really... Who, me? Nah, I ain't seen her. Us? No. Like, they really...

And I think a lot of that has to do with them being women. Like this is, this is 1920. Okay. I'm ready. Okay. Let's get to the play real quick because y'all, this play is a satirical approach to whatever the fuck happened. It was written while they were on trial. So a lot of this is opinion or exaggerated, exaggerated truths. But one of the things that it does, it's satire. So take that what you will. It's also four hours. So take with that what you will as well.

but in this piece they talk about all their scenes raya and sakina's they're they were funny and when the police were there you could tell that they were just buzzing around his head and just but and so it was like how could these women be so violent and they're they were they're like oh seduce him make sure you do it was just talking about how like of course women could get away with it because they just float around your head and men are just so weak to them

And even the police officer who was like super misogynistic found himself weak to Sakina and couldn't resist her. Was that the woman who came in the first time? Yes. That was Sakina? Yeah, and he was like, what's your name? What's your name? And she was like, it begins with an S. And then he comes to the house and he meets... But they even tell the story about the husbands totally different, which is not what we know in fact. But...

it does give a lot of input on what the cultural view of women are at the time, which are, they're flirtatious and they get what they want because they're promiscuous. And the reason that Ray and Sakina were able to do what they did is because they, a work well together, but it was almost comical how they were able to float in and out of situations and talk the way around it or sing. It's a play with music or sing their way out of a situation. Um,

That finesse. They had that finesse. Yeah. Which made the play very funny. Yeah, Mariah really enjoyed the play. Like I said, this play was written during trial. So they went to trial in the year 1921.

They originally blamed each other. Like, when the police, they got Ray and Sakina, and they got the two strong men. And it was everybody pointing the finger. She did it. No, she did it. He did it. Everybody blamed each other. The sisters blamed each other. It wasn't me. It was her, right? And one of the husbands. And one of the husbands, right. So they go back and forth, and they said it wasn't until –

The police said we found all these bodies, you know, that Sakina, I believe, finally gave in. I think Rhea just stayed tight, lived the whole time. And Sakina was like, fine, we did it. All right. And confessed everything. Another thing that did not help was Rhea's 10 year old daughter, Badia. Is that her name? Where am I at?

Yeah. Ray's 10-year-old daughter, Vadia, testified against him. She said that she could see everything that was happening through a hole in the wall. She saw how they treated the client. She saw how they killed them and smothered them with a rag every single time. She saw how they took the jewelry off and stole it. She saw everything. And she's 10 when she's testifying.

So this was happening while she was 9, 8, 7, you know? She said that her parents threatened her, you know, if you talk about what you've seen, we're going to do it to you, so you better keep your mouth shut, you know? So it kind of feels like they're kind of following in their mother's footsteps, right, on how to care for children. Right. And Sakina, she actually testified at the trial. So...

I got some of the court transcripts from this article, Unknown Missing Injury Blogspot. Yeah, it's a blog. Yeah, it's a blog. And they've just compiled a bunch of articles. Because the newspapers were writing about it. This was a huge story. Like, no way these women did this. Right. Yeah.

And so Sakina, I guess, was described as the more attractive sister. So she looks very well put together on the stand. And they say she kind of sits down. She smooths out her clothes and pulls her hair back. Such a lady. Such a lady about it. They said she had this confident calm about her. And they said when she told the story, she did not flinch. She did not cringe. She just told it, you know, as if it were nothing. The monologue that the Sakina character does in the...

Play is pretty good. So she gets on the stand and she says, I myself have cut the throats of six women. My first victim was called Hanim. I leaned over Hanim as if to whisper in her ear. Soon after, death had passed. She was gone. She said the second victim came to her house to sell her something.

She said she did not kill this woman, one of the strongmen, or somebody else killed him, right? She said she had to go out and buy some medicine for her feet, and when she came back, death had passed. She said the third victim was a young girl who she lured with the promise of telling her fortune. She said she dealt the cards, you know, the little tarot cards, and she made a sign to one of the other people in the room, and soon after, death had passed. Death had passed.

She said after the throat cutting or smothering, we took off the jury and searched for valuables, which were divided. I had to look sharp and make sure I was not cheated out of my share. Still just very cold about it. Like, you know, I just had to make sure I got my money. It's it's it's she doesn't even say I killed just death had passed. It's never anybody killed. You know, she was like it was even, you know.

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rocketmoney.com slash sisters it's not buying it and they said she kind of regretfully admitted like yeah even some of my own friends i let death pass she didn't kill him right just death had passed y'all just out here murdering your friends yeah she was like i mean yeah yeah that was my girl but you know of course in the trial they talk about you know finding all the bodies and

They just, they were searching houses. Some houses, they were, the bodies were laid like foot to foot. Yeah. Like, some houses, like they were neatly and tightly packed in there. Some they were just thrown in. You could tell that there was. And they were just finding these bodies by looking up the members of the gang. Like, okay, let's search your house. Let's search, to keep it so close to home. Mm-hmm. To just live on all those souls. Oh, yeah.

You know, like the souls of it all. Now that you put it that way, it makes it even worse. You know? Like, ugh. That's a lot of energy in that house. That's why they gotta have a lot of incense. Bye. So clearly they were found guilty. The sisters were, of course, both found guilty. On May 16th, 1921, they were sentenced to death by hanging. December 21st, they became the first women in modern Egyptian history to

to be put to death december 21 is my toxic ex-birth she's got that you know it's funny though because they like maybe she's got the spirit of the sisters right maybe she does because it's like a folklore in egypt now like you better be a good girl you better not do anything you're not supposed to or you know what happens to bad little girls ray and sakina get them

Careful who you talk to. Or bad girls end up like Rhea and Sakina. And what you gonna do? I found it interesting how a lot of these articles described Rhea and Sakina. And it was crazy. I could believe that Rhea was the one that cracked. It just seems like Sakina was very the head of the household. Very headstrong. She probably was the one keeping the books. But Rhea was older, right?

yes but that doesn't always mean yeah you know that doesn't always mean that but like maybe she just had the mind for it right even when araya was arrested first like araya attempted suicide in jail before they even arrested sakina and before they even found all the bodies like she she probably couldn't hack it as as much but i find it interesting in some of these articles that we were reading like um like this one is from um

The Auckland Star, which is an Australian newspaper, and how they describe them is really wild to me. It says,

And I saw it suggested in a couple of sources and in a couple of podcasts that one of the reasons that they moved to Alexandria, of course, because of the money, but there was a lot of colorism in Egypt at the time, of course, because at this time they're under British rule. So the Brits are spreading their influence and making everybody think that white is right when...

And it also made me think of this is I'm going on a tangent, y'all. But it also made me think of, you know, how the Cleopatra movies coming out. Everybody's really upset because they were like, oh, she's lighter skin. And I was like, well, you know, she is Egyptian. She's Middle Eastern. But there's also black people everywhere. So there's that argument that can't be made. Well, I mean, you know, people, you know what I'm saying? People were really upset about it because and that was one of the reasons we were trying to decide if we were going to do this episode because we were like, are they sisters? But it's like.

Are they sisters as in are they black? Right. Yeah, they're definitely related. But like, are they sisters? Like that was one of the big things when we were trying to decide if we were going to do this episode. But we ran it over with our facts analysis, Yana. Right. Yana said there's only three races, white, black, and Asian. And so they are, Egypt is technically considered the Middle East. Right. And so they are Arab, but you can be Arabic and black. Right. And there's all shades of black.

Black. Right. And at the time under that rule, there was a lot of colorism. It just so happens that maybe, you know, Rhea got the dominant gene and Sakina got the recessive gene, you know, because families are all different colors. Yeah.

A lot of the reincarnations, not reincarnations, the reenactments. So in the play and all that, they both make them kind of fair-skinned in the reenactments. But there also even was a line in the play. It was like, ugh. It was talking to Sakina. It was like, ugh, I'm so happy that you're not a darker-skinned woman. Ugh, I love my woman fair and olive. And it's like, wow. Yeah.

Colorism is everywhere because of European influence, and you guys fucking suck ass everywhere, and we're all struggling the same way. So apparently Raya and Sakina also were popular names in Egypt at the time, but most people don't name their kids that because, you know, Raya and Sakina are going to come and get you. Yeah, they completely wanted to disassociate with the name. Like, why would I name my daughter Raya? Why would I name her Sakina? Why would you name your kid Ted? Bundy. Theodore. Like, why would you name...

You know, why would I name my child Charles? But that's still a popular name. Y'all like crazy. I guess I could say like basic classic white names. And the classic white names are the crazy ones. Y'all need to get a little bit more creative. Y'all be talking about niggas. But another thing that I thought of is you posed a good question of why weren't they looking for these women? What women were going missing at a rapid rate? And...

the government at the time was doing absolutely nothing, nothing about it until finally bodies popped up. And I can only think that's because y'all are sexist. And even, like I said, the play is not written, put in a lot of facts, but what it is is I can tell a lot about the culture and what they believe is satire. And at the time of it being written, which it was written in what, 1921, did a little bit of research. And like, that was just coming of the establishment of what,

Egyptian theater is. So this was early stages going into these Renaissance once they find independence from British rule. I don't even know that sexist is the whole problem. I think it's sexist. I think it's classist. I think it's a lack of money.

and resources. You know what I mean? Because, I mean, even you think about it today in America, if somebody that is considered high risk, maybe they live a fast life, they're a prostitute, you're not looking for these women. You know? And I think that was, you know, they were saying when prostitutes go missing, who's really searching? And if that's just part of the life, right? Yeah. And a lot of cases, if they don't have a family that's looking for them or a family that's assuming that they're gone...

Or even trying to get it taken seriously. Like, you know, if you're a prostitution, if you're a prostitute, you know, more than likely you live like a life on the street. You know what I'm saying? So you go to a police and you're like, hey, this woman's missing. Street rats do that. You know what I mean? So who really you tell us?

It was like, we ain't got nothing to go off of for that. It's not enough. Maybe they didn't want to do the jobs. Maybe they didn't have the resources to do the job. Maybe they didn't find it of importance. You know, no evidence. Because the girl, the women's home was visited like six, 10, 15 times. Like when women were going missing, people were like, oh, it might be Reyes. They would go to the homes and question them. But Reyes and Sakina always were able to talk their way out of it. And I think it was just this idea that women can't, women can't do this. No one's here. Right.

You think that these two little women are the source of your women disappearing? Absolutely not.

Women too fragile, incapable. But I did notice that all the articles are like, it's just they didn't suspect the women. They were like, no way it's the women. But you know what I find interesting, right? Nobody suspected the women, but the story does not go down as the strongman part of this story. You know what I'm saying? It's Ray and Sakina did this, but it was really the four of them doing it. No one gives...

You don't suspect the women because they're women, they're fragile. How could they do this? But when they do, it's, oh my goodness, monster. Vicious, bloody monster. Like, how could a woman do that? This is why, boys, this is why I tell you, don't trust anything that bleeds for seven days and don't die. Did somebody tell you that in middle school? No. This guy was like, my mom, my daddy told me not to trust anything that bleeds for seven days and don't die. I said, it's a woman.

so it's what was i trying to say i mean once again that's why we do this podcast because y'all just be scared of me i think we something to play with huh be scared of me all right i think we're done here all righty y'all it is time for i ain't do it but if i did this is how i get away with it um i don't know i feel like we might be in agreeance on this one friend don't have dead bodies under the floorboard that is definitely number one of what she needs

Am I going? Do you see me on there? Okay. That is definitely number one of what she needs to fix. Because why are you living on these bodies? It's not good for your spirit. It's not good for your freedom. It's not good for nothing. Oh, and forgot this fact. You know, they had to sell the jewelry to get money. The jeweler only got like four years. He knew what was happening. I'm a good fan of not my business. I don't know what these ladies do to bring me this jewelry. I just know my job. My job is to buy gold and sell it. That's what the fuck I did.

but yeah, uh, don't have dead bodies under your floorboards. Don't have suspicious incense coming from your chimney. Um,

They're smooth talkers. We love that for you. That's all I got. I think they also really ran through these bodies. It was quick. I heard somebody mention most serial killers, like, they collect these bodies over time. These people have been doing these for 10 years. They hit these same rates in, like, two. Well, I mean, like, if you take an Ed Kemper, sometimes once you get that rush, you can't stop. And think about, like,

You guys, I've never watched you before, but Tazzy's watching the current season right now, and I'm just meeting all of these characters. I'm going to go back and watch it. But that couple, they're like, it's that rush that gives you that, we've done it, violence. And for some people, they love it. It's enjoyable. And I think the fast... What do we always say? Fast money. It never works out in the end. Very rarely do you get away with it. Um...

Yeah. Parole or no parole. They're sentenced to death. They got sentenced to death the same year. Yeah. You know, but there's also the question, you know, like kind of almost did they ever have a chance? Like, no, there's no reports that their mom was out there killing people or whatever. Yes. But.

Were they, they were raised without love. They don't know how to love. Do they lack that empathy that puts them in this type of situation? Not saying that it's right, but like, it was probably never given a hug for real. So did they ever stand a chance to be out here doing the right thing? It was kids stealing shit. You know, we just taking it up a notch. Yeah. And I think with a lot of people, it always poses the question is evil born or bred. And then of course you can get deeper into the question is man human and

naturally born with sin and if that's the case how do you live a good life and or how you how are you taught to live a good life you know and i think that i don't know i think that babies you have to be taught how to be a nice person because we're born on in survival mode cry i need the bottle you have a toy give it to me you have food give it to me you have shelter make sure i have it

clean my diaper and that's just being a baby so you have to be taught empathy you have to be taught how to say thank you and what do you say yes what do you say oh my my niece I saw my niece this weekend and she's so big and she's speaking so well I haven't seen her in a couple years and she's yes mamming me and I looked at her crazy and I was like thank you and

And then I almost put some respect on it. And then I almost was, you know how adults be like, Oh, you don't have to say ma'am. I was like, I looked at her crazy and I looked at, uh, Laina Laina was like, and she will say, and you will not say anything otherwise, but you're taught that. And I think that they weren't taught that and they never, so did they ever even have a chance from, from the beginning? Um, learning how to fend for themselves and really like,

They were in constant survival mode. And that shit is hard. Like, constant survival mode, you don't get to rest. You don't get to rest when you're worried about where your next meal is coming from. You don't get to rest when you're worried about where you're going to put your head at night. You don't have the time to think about somebody else because you got to make sure that you got fucking shoes on your feet, you know? Especially when you're not taught that. Yeah, let's get out of here.

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You guys sound wise beyond your years. Good podcast. Do we sound young? Are we young? I feel like I have the same voice I had in high school. I definitely think that. My voice ain't dropped yet. Especially like the podcast voice. I think my register goes up. The louder I speak, the higher it gets for sure. Are we young though? I feel like we're real old. But I don't show it.

sure sure sure but my face no my voice shows it but we're knocking on 30 that's what they keep telling me you'll get there before me only slightly friend you'll be right there behind me all right y'all um thanks for listening to another another week of this shit um if you want to keep up with us

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