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"Taron Egerton"

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Sean Hayes
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Taron Egerton: 我来自威尔士,那里有独特的文化和语言。我在一个蓝领小镇长大,那里的人们很脚踏实地。男声合唱团的传统对我的影响很大,学校生活中的合唱团也很重要。完成工作后,我喜欢回家放松,和家人在一起。我15岁时加入了青年剧院,找到了自己的归属感,觉得自己有表演天赋。虽然第一次参加戏剧学校的试镜时到处都被拒绝,但我吸取了教训并重新振作起来。我的家人在经济上支持我参加戏剧学校的试镜,这让我非常感激。 Will Arnett: 我们之前请过马修·瑞斯,威尔士应该为塔伦感到骄傲。 Jason Bateman: 当地剧团对年轻人来说是一个重要的出口,能帮助他们找到自己的声音。剧团是一个欢迎所有人的地方。 Sean Hayes: 肖恩提到他与加雷斯·贝尔很熟。

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The conversation starts with the guest's origins in Wales, touching upon its distinct culture, language (Welsh), and the unique sounds of the language, drawing comparisons to Gaelic.
  • Taron Egerton is from Aberystwyth, Wales.
  • Welsh is still spoken in parts of Wales.
  • Welsh has throaty, guttural sounds and many consonants.
  • Welsh shares some similarities with other European languages like German.

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Listen, I think you two are going to be great at this. Is this your first podcast, the both of you? Sean? Yeah. Just the first time out. Yeah, first time out. What do we need to know? Will you just go ahead and talk into that big foamy black thing in front of your lips? And what do I do with my microphone? Wow. Welcome to SmartList. Smart. Lies. Smart. Lies. Smart.

Smart. Wise.

Good morning, good day, good evening, listener. We had a real robust in-house smartless text chain going this morning. Yeah, that's right. It's fascinating. I love talking about that stuff. Talking about all the scary stuff. Going out in the world. Yeah, like AI. Listener, I don't know if you've heard about this. The acronym is AI. It stands for artificial intelligence. Wait, go back. And it's coming and it's going to be fantastic.

I wish the listeners could see how dead your eyes were when you were... Shut up, Will. This is serious.

Okay. No, it's coming. So what now? I'm running for the hills by a pistol? What are we doing? Or I guess double down on just chatting with folks like we're doing. Yes. I guess you can kind of robot us, can't you? No way. You've always called me a robot, Will. Sean, there is no way, Jason. It's me, Will. I'm here. Sean, you look so good today. It is a pleasure to be on Smarla's. I'm excited for our next guest.

Wait, do I have any good dad jokes? Are you going to try to lighten things? Yeah, I got one. Ready for this? Open up the file. What do you call a teacher who never farts in public? What's that? Private tutor. Oh my goodness, Sean. Sean, that's really fun. That is fun. I'm taking that one. I'm going to ride that for a week. I know how that feels. I was going to say, speaking of which...

No, Sean, do you have a callback today or a photo shoot or something? Because you do look great. Oh, thanks. What's the occasion? No, I took a shower and this is what it looks like. Yeah. There we have it. Wow. Yeah, I took a shower. Now, when you shower, do you shampoo your hair and condition it? I don't condition. I've never conditioned my hair. I just shampoo.

Or I get the shampoo. Every time you shower, you shampoo your hair? Yeah, who doesn't? People who look good? I don't. What do you mean? Every time. Yeah, because you shampoo your hair every time you shower. You get that fluffy, shitty hairdo like Sean P. Bates. Yeah, and you're getting rid of the natural oils. Okay, you're washing away your natural oils. Well, I don't. You need some clump. Yeah, you need your natural oils. You need your natural clump. Yeah, but what about... You gotta get Lorenzo's oil, okay? That's what that movie was about, Lorenzo's oil.

Do you know, can I reference one of my own projects, please? Thank you. Here we go. A picture called Paul. Not widely seen, but I did play secret service agent last name Zoil. And in one of the last scenes of the movie, I finally introduced myself, first name Lorenzo.

Oh, my God. What a sweaty joke. And I was told by the director to... Edgar Wright. No, it was actually Greg Mottola. Oh, Greg Mottola, right. Yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. But it was you and... Yeah, he says, you know, I think it's the first time he's ever really heard...

this himself. Like, so in other words, play a beat once you say, I'm Detective Zoil, Lorenzo Zoil. And then like play a beat of like, oh my God, that sounds like the movie. Right. Like a little wink. And so it was, so it was funny. I do recommend a rental on that. Yeah. Paul, it's called? It's called Paul. All right. Seth Rogen plays an alien. I'd look for, I'd look for like a free stream maybe. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Try five minutes of free and then go ahead and rent. I'd get on a VPN and stream illegally. If it's $2.99, I'll buy it. What else? Okay, I'm back in Atlanta. Oh, yeah. I'm in my final week here. Are you so excited? You guys are in Los Angeles. I'm very excited. I'm very excited to be done. It's been a great project, but I am excited to come home and see you folks again. What are you doing?

Saturday? I'm done on Sunday. Today's Wednesday. Sunday. I'm flying home Sunday, too. I'm leaving today, but I'll be back Sunday. Wait, you're in Los Angeles? I'm in LA, but I'm going to New York today for a few days. And then you're going to be back on Sunday? I'll be back Sunday. I'll be back after midnight. Oh, I'm glad we're caught up with the schedules. Wait, so you're not coming back? That is so shitty, Sean. God, Sean, that's so biting. So rude. I know, it's so judgy. So biting.

So listen, what about Sunday? Were you there, Jay, or just Will? Just me. Oh, where? I thought you went too, to Sunday Funday. Sunday Funday. You were not there, I guess, Sean. I couldn't go. We had a very robust conversation, actually kind of about a lot of the stuff we were talking about this morning. We were talking about AI, and we were talking about the future. What did you discuss? The president. We discussed the fact that we're all human. Ha ha ha!

No, oh, on Sunday, Scotty rented a boat. We went out to the ocean in a boat. He finally got to his notes. He managed to wedge his little talk notes in. Oh, really? Doesn't that sound like a focus feature? Doesn't that sound like a little indie film, Scotty Rented a Boat?

You know what I mean? I should go in companion with Paul. Is he still, is he, did he make it back home or are they still searching for him? No, we all, we all were going to go. And, and. You guys used to have a boat though. So you've toyed around with maybe getting another one?

I don't know, maybe. Does Scotty pilot the boat? Well, he did this one for a little bit, but it had a captain. Yeah, it had a little captain. But he likes to get behind the... Does he wear a little cap? Yeah, you know, he doesn't wear a little cap, but he likes to drive big machinery. So for one birthday one year... Insert joke here. He's with the wrong guy. I mean, I don't know. Okay.

He, for his birthday one year, we went to Vegas because I knew that. And in Vegas, there's a place that you can go where you can drive bulldozers and like, you can like excavate land. Have you guys ever done that? Or Will, have you ever done that? I've done that. It's incredible driving those big things. Yeah, right? I've never driven an excavator, but I'd,

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So, Sean, how was the Vegas trip? That was a while ago. We drove trucks and what else did we do? Did you win any money? By the way, he's just doing a lot of things, driving the boats and then going and driving the trucks. It's all just different characters from the village people. If I'm right.

I mean... Any ride-alongs for the cop outfit? Clearly he's not doing a lot of working or are you? No, these are the things... By the way, you're listening to this podcast and you're in a truck or you're working somewhere and you're like, these fucking Hollywood elite

assholes. What are you talking about? Anybody can rent a boat and anybody can rent a... I'm going to Vegas to make believe I'm driving a tractor. People aren't renting boats, Sean. You're so out of touch. It's like a hundred bucks to go drive these things in Vegas. You're so out of touch, dude. You're so out of touch. I was thinking I was coming back home. I was at 45,000 feet and I was coming home and I was thinking about how out of touch. Sean. You're looking out the windshield to pass the pilot. I literally just spit out my tea. Yeah.

Oh, my God. That came out of my mouth. You know, Sean, I would say, though, I would like to... I actually, upon further reflection, Scotty would look good like a little sailor outfit. Sure he would. I'm just saying, like an old school... All right. I'll make a note. Can we make that happen? Yes, we can make it happen. He can wear, like, a striped, like, nautical... You know, like the bib thing that goes on the back? No shirt. No shirt. Tits just resting over the top. Ha ha ha!

And then here comes Sean in a little Gilligan outfit. Hey! Don't say it. You guys should go as the Skipper and Gilligan for Halloween. That's really funny. You guys, that would be so funny.

Oh, my God. And we'll be Marianne and Ginger? Come on, Willie. That's really funny. The professor and Marianne. All right, let's wake up our guest. I'm sure he's completely passed out by now. Guys, I'm very excited slash nervous for today's guest because I've always wanted to meet him for quite a while now. Okay. He first hit my radar coming out of the Royal Academy of Dramatic Arts in 2012. What? Then he quickly became...

the lead in a very stylish action franchise. I can't mention 'cause I need to know who he is. He voiced one of the most successful animated films. He went on to play one of the most iconic musicians of our time, was nominated and won all kinds of awards for that. Did we text about him today?

Sorry. I'm going to go back to the top now. No, no, no. Please don't. He has done and is doing a slew of cool stuff since then, but most recently, this hot shot has knocked me down and out. Literally killed me in the incredibly satisfying and remarkably successful Netflix film called Carry On. Guys, please say hello to Taron Egerton. Oh, Taron!

You guys didn't know. You thought there's no way he knows him because he says he's looking forward to meeting him. And then I switched it. That was a good misdirect. Less of a red herring and more of a lie. You know what I mean? Yeah, but fun. Fun to lie. My sister loves that movie, Taryn. No way. Which one, Sean? Carry on, carry on. Great film, great film. Great bad guy in that.

Let Taren talk. Good morning, Taren. Hi, Taren. Hi, Taren. Good day. How are you guys? Thanks so much for having me on. Very excited you're here. We're very honored to have you. Oh, it's lovely. It's nice to see you, Jason. You good? Good to see you. I love the shaved head. Listener, he's got a real tight, like a swim team almost, marine type of shaved head. I've done it twice, and I loved it.

That's it, streamlined, yeah. Get into where I'm going quicker. I just finished a movie where I had a kind of shaved head, so it's still growing out, yeah. So you're keeping it? I think so, for now, yeah, for now. Through the summer, because it's warm.

through this although it doesn't get that warm when I grow it out anymore I'm not blessed like you guys are well you guys have got three very fine heads of hair no it's all fake snap it's all snap on now where do we find you you're in Los Angeles

No, I'm not. I'm in Wales. I, uh, I got back from Australia a couple of weeks ago where I just finished the film and I've come home to see my family. So I'm here for two weeks before. I've got questions about Wales. Um, yeah, you know, we're, uh, we're kind of friendly with Gareth Bale. Um,

Yes. Wales' own Gareth Bale listener. A celebrated son of Wales. Celebrated. Very celebrated. And you've had Matthew Rhys on the podcast before. We've had Matthew Rhys. Yeah, we've had a few very distinguished, and now we've rounded it out. We've had the most distinguished Welshman alive, I think. Sweet Willy's done some time there in Wales, haven't you? I don't want to call it done some time. I was able to enjoy some time in Wales for a few months many years back.

in Cardiff. Beautiful country, man. Beautiful. Yeah, it's gorgeous. So I'm from Aberystwyth, and it's a stunning part of the world. I'm further north, a couple of hours north. But when I finish a job, I like to come back and just decompress, spend time with my... Is that on the way to Snowdonia? Is that in that kind of direction? If you're coming from Cardiff, it is, yeah. It is right on the coast. Snowdonia is a place in Wales? Yeah. Wow. Snowdonia is a place in Wales. And the mountain at the center...

of that area is called Snowdon. And I think it might be the third or second highest peak in the UK, I think. Sounds like a game of thrones. Which would make it good 60 or 70 feet tall. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Now, tell me about what if you're a dummy like me and you're like, hey, I don't know whether I should go to England or I should go to Wales. God, that is you. What would be the biggest difference? And be careful here because you're surrounded by Welsh people.

What's the big difference between Wales and England? What would be – Well, let's say there are quite distinct cultural differences. We have a language here that we still speak. Really? Yeah, in certain parts of the country, people speak Welsh sometimes as a first language. It's not English? It's not English. It's Welsh. What's it sound like?

It's much older than English, as I understand it. But it's filled with lots of very throaty, guttural sounds. Is it like Gaelic? You really didn't know this? It's got a lot of consonants next to each other as well. Yeah, exactly. So it sounds more like Scots Gaelic or Irish Gaelic than English. Yeah, yeah. Can you give us just a little something?

The one that I'm always asked to do is the village that I was raised in is the thing that I'm always asked to do on talk shows and things because I was raised in a village called...

And then you get there and you bang a right. Yeah, exactly. Wow, I wonder what that, what is it derived from? Like, it sounds almost German, but also real Nordic, right? Yeah, there are bits of, you see strange little crossovers between other languages in Europe, so...

There are things like you'll just find odd words that are very similar. So German for rabbit is caninchen and Welsh for rabbit is kuningen. So there's like really strange little bits of crossover that you find. I got you. That's interesting. Wow. Is anything specific about your Welsh upbringing that has kind of shaped your perspective on –

Your career, like managing kind of the silliness and the nonsense sometimes that we all kind of enjoy slash navigate. Anything about your Welsh upbringing that is specifically Welsh?

suited you for that well I think I'm from a fairly kind of you know I'm not from an particularly affluent part of the world I'm from a very normal town quite blue collar as you you'd probably say and I come from a place where people are quite I think quite down to earth quite relatable and real you know a lot of my early adult life and the end of my teens was spent kind of

I don't know, we've got like the most pubs per square capita of anywhere in the country. Really? And it's less now, but I remember when I was coming up, you'd still see groups of older gentlemen who'd kind of spontaneously break out into song and sing kind of, you know, lovely harmonies and things. We have a tradition of male voice choirs here in Wales. And that's something that I think has kind of,

seeped into who I am. Oh, that's interesting. Would that explain your ability to sing? I think in part. You know, most Welsh people have a go at some point, I think. We have choirs are a big part of school life, certainly in my experience anyway, and I think that's something that I've definitely carried forward into my life because I've done a couple of bits of singing, yeah. So, Taryn, so then how did you come from this sort of small town in Wales, you know, sort of out in...

you know, out in the sort of rural area, if you will. Yes, the middle of nowhere, mate. Middle of nowhere. I didn't want to say that. You're fine. Okay, so middle of nowhere, Wales. Beautiful country, but middle of nowhere. And then you end up, and now you're a Taron Egerton movie star. So that's kind of a long way to go. What was the first step in that, to sort of move from there in that direction?

Well, thank you. Thank you very much. That's very nice of you to say. But I, so it was a lot to do with the town I'm from, actually. The town I'm from is called Aberystwyth and we have a great art centre. And I joined a youth theatre there when I was 15. I moved from one part of Wales to another when I was 12. And I had a couple of years where I really struggled to acclimatise and make friends and meet new people. And I joined a youth theatre when I was 15. And it just felt like,

the universe clicked into place. You know, I found my tribe. I felt like I had an aptitude to something which wasn't a feeling I'd really had before. Was that something... Sorry to interrupt you, but was that something that, like, your parents were like, oh, poor Taron is not making friends and we keep moving around and maybe joining this theater group. Honey, you'd meet some friends? Or was it a passion you had for acting? No, I don't... I think it was... I think I just was watching other people do it from afar and started to get that itch and that craving. And I always... I was...

I think I always, even though, don't get me wrong, even though I was struggling to kind of acclimatize in a new place, I was still an

an insufferable attention-seeking class clown, you know? So it was like an appealing outlet for that. Can't relate. Can't relate. You know, it's funny, Sean, it's not dissimilar from you. All bits aside. Oh, please expand. And what I was going to say was, it occurs to me, and this is nothing new, it's not breaking news, but there is a recurring theme here that we hear from a lot of people, a lot of performers, of how many times people, when they're younger,

join a local theater group, a local theater, whatever. And how important these things are in our communities for being an outlet, not just an outlet for kids, not as a conduit to superstardom, but just a place for kids who don't feel like they fit in to be able to go in to find their voice. And how often we hear it and how important that is and how much we need to protect that. Because it's one of the few, I think so too, I think it's one of the few places where it doesn't matter who,

who you are, what color your skin is, who you are, your gender, anything at all, everybody's welcome. Yeah, team sports too. Team sports, yeah, and sports too. And we will be right back.

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you know, what ensued between the ages of 15 and 19 were just these really blissful years of being really creative, really social, really out of my shell. And it was all kind of tied together through drama. So I was, you know, I was getting involved with Shakespeare plays and more contemporary stuff. And I just felt that I was in my groove, in my lane, really, really loved it. And

And I, by the time I was about 17, I think I knew that I wanted to go to drama school. And so I auditioned. And this ties back to me being the insufferable attention seeker. The first year I auditioned, I was rejected everywhere. And from the limited amount of feedback I got...

They said that I was a little underprepared and maybe a little cocksure on myself. And that really, really took me down a couple of pegs.

And the following year, I went- But you took the note, but you took the note and recovered. I've gotten that note. It's debilitating. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think so. Bubble pop. Did you have, was there a mentor in there? Was there a person in that journey or multiple people who you can identify as people who encouraged you and pushed you the right way?

Totally. There's so many people. I mean, the first people that spring to mind are my family. So at that time, we were still, we still rented the family home. We, you know, I've never wanted for anything growing up, but I'm not from an affluent background. And my, each audition for drama school cost somewhere in the region of 40 to 60 pounds.

And my auntie paid for one, my father paid for one, my stepfather paid for one, my mother paid for one. And I paid for one. And it was a real family effort to get me to this handful of auditions. I'm like picturing Charlie Babbitt in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Yeah, it was a lovely show. We were all in the same bed. Yeah, I love it. And then, yeah, the second year, it all came together and I got a few offers at different drama schools and

Yeah, and the rest is history. What monologues did you do for your auditions? Do you remember? Well, weirdly, really weirdly, I was required to sing a song, and I did your song by Elton John and Bernie Taupin. And then I did...

Thou Nature, My Goddess, which is a kind of classic, flashy villain turn from King Lear. And I actually can't remember what my modern piece was. But yeah. That's so cool. And what was your growing up? First of all, two things. One is when you said you were singing his stuff. I have a little tidbit. I don't know if it's true. Sean, I thought you were going to say when he said your song, you were going to say my song, like $5 foot long. Isn't that your song? That's his anthem, not his song.

$5. $1 foot long. So, no, one little tidbit. I don't know if it's true, but Irish dancing, you know, have you ever seen Irish dancing when they don't- The ankle slapping? Yeah, where they don't move the upper part of their body? Huh.

They don't move the upper part of their body. Do you know why? Why? Because I don't know if this is true, but in Ireland, dancing used to be against the law or something like that. And so the police used to walk by the pubs. And so they didn't see the upper part of their body moving. They would just move the bottom part of their legs. And that's what I heard. God, I hope it's not. What do you mean you heard? On what website are you diving into? I heard that growing up because I'm Irish.

Can we just block in conjecture wherever we want now? Can we just sort of like... I asked Chachi PT. That's like... I don't know if that's true. If that's true, that's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my life. No, but isn't that interesting? It makes sense because they don't move your upper body. Your upper body's stiff. No, we get why. Because there's windows that only go down to waist height throughout Ireland. We understand. I hope it's not true. God, I hope it's not true and that you've been saying this forever. All right, so, Taryn... Why don't you read a book? So the other...

So the other thing is, what was your view from Wales? What was your impression of America? And was that different than when you actually arrived? How early did you see Will and Grace and did that inspire you to take the trip across the Atlantic? It was a huge part of my formative years. I did enjoy that show very much. Oh, thank you. Thank you. I mean, it was like, you know, certainly when I started acting, the perception of America is like, I don't know, um...

I suppose, the land of plenty, I guess. And was that always the destination? No, absolutely not. No, when I went to drama school, I thought...

I thought I'm going to be a theater actor, and I thought I will get a couple of guest spots on the telly, and that will pay my rent or pay the mortgage. And I really mean that. It was a shock when films happened. So that was the adult, that was the life goal, the adult, the occupation sort of career goal was I'm going to be a working actor in the theater, and a guest spot here or there on television will subsidize. Keep the lights on.

Yeah, I mean, that would be incredible. You know, that was the dream. And so I remember, I remember very clearly getting an offer for a drama school and sitting at the kitchen table with my mother and saying, you know, people who went to this drama school are on the TV. And it was like a mind-blowing thing. Yeah, the West End, you know, the West End. I remember I did a summer season production of

Oliver when I was about 14, 15, and they had actors come up from London to play the adult roles of

And they were, you know, actors who'd been on the West End. And it was like, you know, it was like Humphrey Bogart had just stepped into our industry. You know, it was that level of kind of grandeur. And for Tracy, the West End is the London version of Broadway, just so my sense is. So then, Taron, was there enough time for you to be comfortable with –

where you are today? Because, dude, are you even 30? I am. I'm 35. Okay, so then the amount of time, that's not a lot. It's not enough. What is it? It's like 15 years, I think, somewhere in that ballpark. And you know what? I think there are times where it's like with the attention that comes with success, as you will have all experienced,

There are days when you're really, really good at dealing with it. And there are days where you feel robust enough to be available to everybody who comes up to you and asks for a photo or wants to have a conversation with you or asks if you'll record a bit for their daughter's 16th birthday. And then of course, there are days where not even because something bad's happened in your life, there are days where you just

you know, I think there are days where I find it much harder. And the common denominator is, and I think what people don't always realize about, you know, people in our position is, normally the days where you feel less good about being available to the public are days where you feel terrible about yourself. There are days,

Which they all have. Your relationship to self is so weak, whether it's because I listened to one of your episodes the other day, Sean, you know, you said that you'd eaten, I don't know, some mac and cheese at 11 p.m. at night. Good bet. You're going to have to narrow down the episode. But the guy who wakes up the next day is not going to be as good at being the guy to take selfies as...

as the guy who's just done 10 weeks eating chicken, broccoli and rice and is kind of, you know, ready to go. You know, that's my experience of the world anyway. So in answer to your question, Jason, I find it at times, I love it. If I feel psychologically, emotionally robust enough to,

to be available for people. I'm great at it, but it chops and changes. Where did you have to be? And you probably still, it's an ongoing thing. Are you helpful to where you, to your family and your friends, like where you, where you are right now? You can't just like slide into Wales, you know, fresh off the set down in Australia and, and expect everyone to be as kind of

with the light switch as you are. Like, you have to help them kind of intellectualize what's happened to their dear Taryn as well, right? Like, now you're known all over the world and you've got all this money and all this access. And so, I mean, there's a bit of a responsibility on your end to make them comfortable with it too, question? Well, I think I'm lucky. I'm from a well-adjusted, you know, my family are well-adjusted and cool. And I think we're very...

empathetic and understanding. So they really see, I feel very seen very clearly by my family and by the people who are important to me in my life. And I guess I feel like, I guess I feel like, I don't know. Sorry, I got distracted because I don't know if that was my- It was like a getaway car. It was like some sort of souped up engine. Was it Mr. Hayes? And you know, to that point, Jason, it's easy to kind of lament the drawbacks of being famous or noteworthy, but it's

It's fucking, it's awesome to be successful. It's awesome to do what you love. It's awesome to be involved in telling stories and to have the money. It's also really weird. And it's okay to say it's very weird. And I don't know if you guys have done this. I've quite literally, and I'm sure members of my family are listening, sisters and or mom or whatever, um,

And where I've had moments where I've said, hey, I'm really sorry that I put you in this position. I didn't do it on purpose, but I'm... You find yourself almost apologizing. Well, sure, because everyone's involved. I mean, you know, Willie, you walk down the street with your kids and a photographer gets up in your face. You kind of know how to flow with it, but maybe your kids aren't even thinking about the fact that their dad is famous. And that's like...

Can I tell you something funny that Abel, my 14-year-old, who's a really funny kid, said the other day? We were talking about another friend of all of ours who's very...

who's very well-known globally, and he was talking about them, and he said, oh, man, thank God we're not that famous. And we'll start drinking again. What I found really funny about it was, A, about his sort of perception of where everything was on a scale, and B, the we're of it all. Yeah.

It's a circus group. I love that. Go ahead. No, I was going to ask. I'm excited for your project with the one that's based on the conversation with John Bishop. Is this thing on? When I heard about that, it was such a collision. You're familiar with him, yeah, Taron? Well, I know him. I've said hello to him a few times in passing at various things. Great guy. Yeah.

My family are from Liverpool, so, you know... Oh, there you go. Anyone from that part of the world is, you know, I kind of feel a vague affinity with, but... Congrats on the championship. Let's get it out of the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, it's obviously a terrible thing happened. Yes. But what happened? Some people were injured when a guy drove into a celebration parade. But yeah, John's an amazing guy. Proper scouser. I mean, you know, just a really cool dude. Yeah.

Got to know him a little bit, and then we've, through that, sort of, you know, inspired this film. Listener, they're talking about the main figure that is the inspiration for Will's upcoming film with Bradley Cooper. That's right, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just finished, yeah. So, yeah, it was a lot of fun, and he's such a great guy, and his life is fascinating. Did you write to him?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. With Mark Chappell, who's a friend of the podcast, Chappie. We got it. Magic word of the day. And Bradley, of course, too. Yeah, very cool. So the three of us, yeah, yeah, yeah. So had you not gotten into the Royal Academy, was there – were you sort of getting ready to maybe do something else? Because that was right at the age when you kind of had to decide, right? Oh, man. Like –

that's a conversation that happens regularly in the, in my family. You know, um, we have a lot of pinch me. I'm dreaming moments while I've been away filming the, that this at the house. I mean, now we've been renovating for a long period of time and it's kind of just coming to fruition. It's just coming together. And, um, you know, it's been made possible largely through what's happened to me in my life. And, um, uh,

We did have that conversation over dinner the other day. You know, what the fuck would you have done if you hadn't been an actor? Because I can't do anything else. I can't do anything else. Getting ready for this podcast was so stressful because it involved me opening a MacBook. Oh, right, right, right.

and changing the settings, and plugging a mic into the device. These things are totally beyond my abilities. I'm the world's weakest millennial. Well, first of all, it should be noted, Taren, we've done over 250 episodes. I don't know if you watched Sean this morning trying to do it. He couldn't connect, again, over 250. Imagine if he was our pilot. I can't connect thoughts.

let alone a computer. So then, Taryn, it would be safe to say you probably would have been more on the labor side of things? Well, I don't know. Honestly, I really don't know. You mean pushing a wheelbarrow? Is that what you're saying? Swinging a hammer, you know, whatever it is. Yeah, maybe...

Wow, yeah, swinging a hammer. There's people who'd laugh at the prospect of me swinging a hammer. I can't put up a set of shelves. I don't know. I'm not great at it myself. I think I'd have figured something out, but it's true that acting is the only thing that I ever felt a huge kind of cosmic pull towards. And I love it. I absolutely love it. Could have been singing. Yeah. Now, I did not know this. You, correct me if I'm wrong, because I'm just, you know, Wikipedia is my research partner. You...

He sang with Sir Elton John, recorded the song that won an Academy Award for Best Original Song. That's right, yeah. I mean, huh? Wait, what? So did you sing with him on that song? Yeah, so he wrote. It's in the movie Rocketman. I love the movie. Thanks, Sean. I think it's the credit song and –

It's a song that he and Bernie wrote for the movie that we sing as a duet. I think it's like a call and response sort of deal, you know? And yeah, they won an Oscar for it, yeah. They, you? You sang how you said duet? Do you get to hold the Oscar for a couple of months a year?

I think the Oscars are reserved for the chaps who wrote it, you know? But still, I mean, we're talking about a pinch me moment. Did you sing with him in the studio or did you do your part and then later they recorded his part?

No, we went in and sang together in the studio. Wow. It was a lovely experience. That's pretty wild. Of course, by this time, you guys were probably close buddies because was he a part of your early research, auditioning, et cetera, et cetera? Yeah, so I sang –

The animated movie that you mentioned when you introed me is called Sing. And I sang I'm Still Standing in that movie. And then in the Kingsman sequel, Elton came along and played himself. And through those two things, the conversation around me playing him in Rocketman came about and grew from there.

So wait, wait, did the two of you kind of have that conversation on the set and you guys decided, well, maybe we should go out and kind of pitch this together? Matthew Vaughan, who directed the Kingsman films and has produced a couple of other things that I've been in as well, he, David Furnish and Elton had formed a friendship and I think the Rocketman project itself

in the iteration it was in at that time, because there was a different director and a different actor attached, had stalled. Oh, I see. Okay. And we were there to kind of step in, basically. Yeah. That's cool. Atta boy. Wow. Nothing if not opportunistic, you know? Yeah.

I love that. Well, listen, I mean, it's the right place, right time. That's a famous, you know, part of our business. And the movie, like when I saw the movie, you were so great in it. I love that movie. I have notes. Are you guys picture locked? Because I did. No, but when I was watching, it was like, oh, well, the next logical move is to make the movie a stage musical. Yes, I've thought the same thing, yeah. Right? I mean, it's like done. It's all done.

And so I just didn't know if you wanted to ever...

If you were part of that conversation or whatever. No, no. I'm sure it's occurred to them. David and Elton, you know, they obviously, I know that they've got various irons in the fire with theatrical endeavors, and I'm sure it's occurred to them. You're friends with Elton, right? Yeah, yeah. We've hung out for a minute. I don't know whether they've ever considered it seriously, but I don't think it would involve me. It's one of those things that I'm so, it was such a moment in my life and something I'm so

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Your other projects that have been equally successful? I mean, you know, I would imagine that the Kingsman process was probably more startling and challenging to you because it was the first big splash into public view. Yeah, that was, I mean, you know, I'm very, I'm really grateful for it. It was the thing that made my name. So great. And I really, that first film especially, I really, I

I do think is kind of cool. And they're incredibly well made. I mean, I'm sure we could do a whole podcast on the process of making those things with the stunts and the intricacies of the camera work and stuff. It's just stunning stuff. Yeah, it was really well done. But it was a lot. I was 23 and I remember I was making a TV show. I was

I was a year out of drama school and I was filming a TV show for Sky in the UK. And I remember I got an email from my agent and at the time it was called Huntsman and Son. And it didn't have the script, but it had two scenes in it. And it was one of the scenes was the scene where I first meet Colin Firth's character in the pub. And I didn't know Colin was involved. I didn't know Michael Caine was involved. I didn't know anyone was involved. But I read the scene and it's...

I don't know about you guys, but I find that whenever I'm excited about a piece of writing, I start reading it aloud. And that's normally how I know that it's something I read. I do that, yeah. And I know the street corner I was on in London, and I was reading this scene.

And I started reading it aloud. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What are you, selling newspapers? Yeah, I really was. A sandwich board? No, I was in Hoban. And I just popped the email open, started reading it. And as I read, I kid you not, I read the scene and I thought, that's my part. I've got to get that part. Wow. That's my part. And I've never actually had it since. I've never had...

That level of suit. They say nowadays you manifested it. Yeah, well, it felt like that. These hippy-dippy kids. No, come on, man. You got to put it out. I tell you a film of yours, Taron, that I really love. I love all your films. Carry on. Sorry, I cut you off. I never saw that one. Is that the one where your character wore a ball cap?

What a choice. Listen. What a fucking... Oh, man. Oh, fucking Paul Capp. You guys see what he's doing?

No, I was... Just playing real. We'll cut that. No, we're not going to cut that. We're going to loop it. Did you guys see Taron in Tetris? I loved that movie, man. I didn't see it. I want to see it. It's such a great, cool film about how that game came about. I love that game. It's a...

Fascinating story, isn't it? It's a really fascinating story. Yeah, it was cool. I think you're one of about 27 people who saw it, so I'm really thrilled. Thanks, man. It's a great little movie, man. It's about the guys that designed that game? Yeah. It is. Well, it sounds so dry. It's about the guy who licensed the game for distribution globally from memory and his relationship with the designer who designed the game in Russia before the war in 1989. So...

Yeah, it's a fun movie. Yeah, that was released on Apple. It's amazing, and people are trying to sort of muscle their way in to grab the license for it because they understand the impact that it's going to have. It's fascinating. Well, I do like the game, so I'll watch the movie. Oh, thanks so much.

What did Tracy think of the game? Does it cut into your candy crush hours or not really? It does, I have to. The irony is that you do have such a crush on candy. It's so true. But wait, go back to the America thing for just a second, Taryn. Okay. No, because I want to know, so I got your impression that, because I'm always fascinated with the perspective of,

of people in other countries that come here and work here. What was it like when you first worked here, and was it everything that you thought it would be, or what was not? It was better. I love America. I bought a home in America. You feel comfortable here? I absolutely do, and, you know, I get...

Whenever I have meetings with prospective, I don't know, directors or writers, quite often people ask, what is the perception of America now, given everything that's happening? Yeah, we'd like to know that. Please go ahead. And I don't know. I think it depends on who you are. But my experience of America, regardless of where you go, and I've visited various places, not just New York and L.A., but the people in America, from my experience, generally...

It's just a wonderful place. I remember when I first landed in New York, I had a really weird feeling that I was like... I don't know if it's because I'd watched Home Alone too many times, but it felt like coming home, you know? There's a warmth and an... I think historically, there is an inclusiveness at the heart of what America is, it seems to me, that I really love about it. Yeah, a melting pot. Yeah, and I have nothing... I mean, as I say, I have a house...

In California that I, you know, split my time between. That's great. Yeah, I love being in the States. What's your fear, Sean? No, no, I like to know different people's perception because I find it fascinating. I mean, when I go over to London, people ask the same thing. What do you think of London? What do you think of England? Whatever. And I absolutely love it over there. I mean, I haven't been to Wales, but I need to go to Wales. Yeah, I'd like to go to Wales. Yeah, and it strikes me that, you know,

you have such microcosmic identities when you move from one place to another in a country. If you spend a weekend in Liverpool, it's going to be vastly different from your experience in Edinburgh or whatever. Right, and I walk around London last time I was there just a couple months ago, and I'm like, everywhere you go, it's...

incredible history, which we don't have here. And so, and I talked to people about it and they're like, and this one girl I know over there, she's like, yeah, I always forget to look up. I'm like, what do you mean? She's like, I always look, I always forget to look up and look at these historical buildings because everybody's just so used to it. So fresh eyes is really cool. That's what I've always asked people who aren't from here. What do your fresh eyes see? Yeah. You know? Now, Taryn,

You know, you are managing to knock off really great commercial projects, really good sort of like artistic projects. Like, is this just dumb luck? No. You're doing some sort of...

really good deliberate work in choosing what you do. What does the perfect project kind of look like to you? Is it about the part? Is it about the people involved? Is it, you know, theater versus streaming versus theatrical? Like, what do you look for? I don't know. I mean, you operate within the constraints of what you're asked to do. And you can all, the grass is always greener. I could be, you know,

I could let a side of myself out where I would lament not doing certain things. And there are things that I would love to be doing. But you have to focus on the things that are available to you. And I'm so lucky. And I do get offered things that feel... I know that I try and look for things that feel different from a character perspective. So I'm not comfortable. I don't like the idea of being...

Pigeonholed. Yeah, put in a box or whatever. I mean, in fact, you know, when we did Carry On, my biggest concern about... What a picture! Oh, oh! Bravo! The only thing that happened when they rolled credits is I wish they would carry on this picture. Carry on, and on, and on. Where is the sequel? Sorry, we'll get him out soon. He's running around the balcony. Go ahead. Yeah, I was...

I worried that it was too vanilla or whatever. It was too near to me. It was a kind of average Joe guy. I suppose the actors that I look up to and really admire and revere are the actors who try and stretch themselves. Like with a ball cap. Right. Do have a limp and a missing tooth and a weird accent.

Oh, I heard that. So, but I try and look for things like, you know, when I, when I, after Elton, I, you know, went and did that, the show for Dennis Lane, Blackbird, which I felt satisfying because it felt... Oh my God. I, I,

I definitely like doing things that feel different. I suppose I aspire to be, you know, like a... I like character actors. I like actors who are different from one thing to the next. A character actor, yeah. And unfortunately, you're too goddamn good-looking to be a true character actor, so you have to act your way into that perception, and you're doing it, and you're getting opportunities...

with scripts that lend itself to that. And so, you know, it's... I'm going to ask you the Jason Baby question, which is you've been doing it now for a while and you've done a lot of great work. Do you see yourself doing different stuff as in directing or writing something? That's a great question. It's kind of where I was. No, I mean, you know, I feel... I listen to...

you guys talking with Jude Law and he summed it up pretty well. This is another great day! One of the odd time great

We have got to get a collar on that guy. He's disrupting the record. No, go ahead. Please go ahead. But I feel that way. It scares me, you know, and I have such admiration for anyone who makes that leap because I'd love, I'd absolutely love to do it. Of course I would, but I... What's going on with Smoke? What's going on? This is the Apple show that's coming out June 27th.

Yes. What drew you to it? What is it about? Is this going to be different than the thing that immediately precedes it, like as you're just talking about doing? Yeah, I think so. I think it's definitely different from anything I've done before. So it's created by Dennis Lehane, who was the creator-showrunner of Blackbird. And when we finished shooting that show, he approached me about doing another story. And...

It's one of those, the trailer's out, it's just come out, but it's one of those that's really hard to describe. But the user-friendly logline is, I play an arson investigator who is having very, very limited success catching two prolific arsonists in a fictional town called Umberland. And, um...

a police detective is brought in to help him solve these arsons, basically. And that role is played by Journey Smollett. And what you learn over the course of the show is that he is harboring some secrets. And it's one of those shows...

Where I don't really know. This is the first bit of press I'm doing for it. And I have no idea how to promote it without kind of giving it away. But is there enough in there to craft some sort of logline? Yeah. Oh, yeah. But basically, for anyone who's seen Blackbird, it's a kind of sister piece. Well, Dennis Lehane. I mean, it's this guy, tip top. Now, Taron, yeah.

You're drunk. You're out at a karaoke bar. You're feeling good. Yeah. What's your go-to karaoke song? Yeah. Faith, George Michael. Oh, yeah. You got it. I bet that's good. Faith, George Michael is a good one. Didn't take you a long time to answer that. How many times have you performed that? No, that's a long-standing one. And it depends on the mood as well. You know, if it's like a kind of...

I don't know, if I'm looking for a bit more gravitas, maybe a couple of Radiohead numbers like Bones or Sulk or, you know, really dirty, maybe like Blackstar, something like that. Yeah. I love that you have a few available. Jason never would do it. Yeah, mine's just, I'm just on the Uber app looking for a ride out of there. Oh.

Mine's the theme to The Greatest American Hero. Is that true? Okay. Yeah, remember that? Believe it or not, I'm walking on air. Remember that song? Mine is, no joke, mine is Crazy by Patsy Cline. Always. Really? Yeah. What do you mean always? How much time are you doing in a karaoke bar? I'm doing a lot of karaoke, man. Once a week? You don't know my life. I don't know.

Do you sing, Jason? I don't. Not even in the shower. Next question. Which is why I want to hear you sing so bad. Not even start drinking again. There's so little joy in your spirit. Literally the last time I sang was in a karaoke bar doing press for Horrible Bosses 2 and I think I was still drinking. Wasn't I? Maybe? No. I don't know. No. You weren't. No way, right? And you did karaoke? No.

I did. And fucking Sudeikis, this guy, you know, this guy's a natural performer. He's a talent. He can sing and dance. I'd love to see a smackdown between you and Sudeikis. Yeah, I think Taron would take him down, though. But that would be a real, that would be a heavyweight fight. He's got a voice? He sings? He's got a voice and he's also just got like, the guy's not uncomfortable with the microphone in his hand. Yeah, he's great. That's a certain talent. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I sort of find it easier when there's a character I can hide behind. So the show, they wrote in a whole bit in this new show I have coming out called Smoke where my guy is obsessed with karaoke. Oh, really? Partly because they knew I could sing. Yeah.

And I find, I noticed that I find it much easier to do it on set as a character than if I do it in my own personal life. Life at a pub or something. Yeah, I find it quite stressful. Right. No, we're all like that. It's called I Hate Being Me. Also a good thing for a blank bumper sticker, Willie, if you've got a second one. Right.

It's blank t-shirts that I have. I hate being me is so true. I hate being ellipses and then on the back, just put me. We love you, Jason. We love you. Thank you. I'll tell you who we do love. Taryn Edgerton. Joining us today. You are something else. You are something else. Thanks for having me. Please say hello to anyone who cares in Wales. If you see Gareth Bale, tell him to send me the money.

And, you know, best of luck with Smoke. Smoke on Apple TV. It's on Apple TV. I can't wait to watch that. When does it come out? It comes out on the 27th of June. Day after my birthday.

Oh. No way. So for my birthday, we'll watch it. For Tracy, Sean's birthday is the day he was born. Is that fucking? That's pretty, that's safe to say. Are you registered anywhere, Sean? I'll email you. Yeah, yeah. I'm registered. Taren, love you. I love seeing you again. I miss you, my friend. It's nice to meet you, Taren. Say hi when you come back to LA. Yeah, I will, mate. Take it easy. Pleasure, pleasure. All right, my friend. Thank you very much. Bye, Taren. Bye, you guys. Bye, Taren. Bye, pal.

Okay, so anyway, so Taryn was amazing. Yeah, it was so good. I loved having Taryn. It was so good. Oh, you're just trying to get to your bi? Are you excited about your bi? No, no, but it was just because once he was gone and then it was like the rush to see who was going to talk first. Look how blessed he is, Sean. I think he's really good. Did Taryn leave a mark on you well? He did. I liked him a lot. Yeah, I liked him too. Yeah, I liked him a lot. He's got a great vibe. Yeah, yeah. Cool it. You're fucking breathing heavy. He said he was single, right? I said...

I'm passing out. Somebody lay me down. Call a grown-up. Call a grown-up.

No, that's a good-looking male. Hey, another one. I'm just saying. He's good-looking. Don't objectify Taron Egerton. He's a good, good, good guy. Very, very good guy. Great actor. And very smart. Good hat on his shoulders. Focused. Isn't like, you know, he doesn't seem like he'd fall off the rails in any more warm. And he said his attention would be very low temperature, like very even keeled. Yeah. Balanced. Yeah. Yeah.

Not some ninny. Okay. Whales should be proud. Whales. I'm sure they are. I'm sure they're beyond...

So, Sean, how's the search going? Oh, good. This Sunday, Scotty and I are going to my friend Kevin's birthday party in Ojai. Oh, yes. This is a really long lead-in. Yeah, so it's north of here. It's called Ojai, not to be confused with... No way. No fucking way, dude. No way. Don't even fucking say that. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? Not to be confused with Ojai, Sacramento. What are you doing?

What? Yeah. No, but you know what? Wait, what was that father joke you said at the beginning? The dad joke? I said... That was so good. The teacher... Yeah, I said what... Oh, wait, where is it? Oh, yeah. Private tutor. What do you call a teacher who never farts in public? Yeah, private tutor. Private tutor. You know, he did the Rocket Man, right? Which was such a great...

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