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3. Two Spies Living Lies

2022/10/19
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SNAFU with Ed Helms
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Ed Helms: 本集讲述了冷战时期，特别是1983年北约军事演习‘能够射手83’期间，两名间谍奥列格·戈迪耶夫斯基和莱纳·鲁普的故事，以及他们如何卷入一场差点引发核战争的国际危机。节目中穿插了对冷战背景、苏联的猜忌和不信任感、以及‘瑞安行动’的介绍。 Taylor Downing: ‘瑞安行动’是克格勃在全球范围内开展的一项行动，旨在通过收集各种迹象来预测西方是否会发动核袭击。这些迹象既包括合理的（如医院清空），也有不合理的（如五角大楼的灯光数量），体现了苏联领导层日益增长的焦虑和偏执。 Michael Goodman: 奥列格·戈迪耶夫斯基出生于克格勃世家，他最初加入克格勃是为了追求刺激和冒险的生活。然而，苏联入侵捷克斯洛伐克事件让他看清了苏联的真相，促使他最终成为一名双重间谍，为英国情报机构MI6工作。 Jeffrey Lewis: 丹麦情报部门曾试图利用奥列格·戈迪耶夫斯基在哥本哈根购买色情杂志的行为来招募他，但计划失败了。最终，他是在羽毛球场被英国情报部门招募的。 Florian Chimakowski: 莱纳·鲁普出生于西德，后来为东德间谍组织Stasi工作，并成功渗透到北约内部。他与在北约工作的英国妻子安妮·克里斯汀的合作，为Stasi提供了宝贵的北约情报。 Ed Helms: ‘瑞安行动’的荒谬之处在于，它依赖于间谍们收集的，可能完全是虚假情报的信息，这些信息可能会影响世界领导人的决策，甚至可能导致核战争。奥列格·戈迪耶夫斯基和莱纳·鲁普的故事，以及‘瑞安行动’的运作方式，都突显了冷战时期国际关系的紧张和复杂性，以及间谍活动在其中扮演的关键角色。

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Oleg Gordievsky, a Soviet spy, demonstrates KGB surveillance techniques in a British TV show, highlighting the mundane reality of international espionage compared to dramatic portrayals in films.

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Tension mounts as Reagan's aggression deepens Andropov's paranoia. Surely, an attack from the West is imminent! Meet Oleg Gordievsky and Rainier Rupp, two spies whose loyalties aren't what they seem. These super secret agents scour the earth for signs of impending doom, but they have no idea that they're about to be embroiled in utter disaster. Produced by FilmNation and Pacific Electric Picture Co. in association with Gilded Audio.

Correction: This episode incorrectly states that Operation Barbarossa began the Soviet Union’s entanglement with World War II. Operation Barbarossa brought the fighting to Soviet soil. However, the Soviets had long been colluding with Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Red Army had themselves invaded Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Finland prior to Operation Barbarossa. We regret the error, not least because this falsity is a particular piece of propaganda emanating from Putin’s Kremlin.

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