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Welcome to what came next presents something was wrong updates.

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is amy b. chesler. Welcome to what came next presents on the something was wrong feet. I have the honor of having both tiffanie the host of something was wrong, as well as dan yell from season in on this episode.

February twenty twenty two, I get a call from a private investigator who says he was hired by a woman trying to investig your way friend because of confidential, he couldn't give me her name. He tells me that during his investigation, he is the upon the podcast and a bunch of those court records that were open records, he was contacting everybody. I gave him all the information that I had filled in a lot of blanks for him.

I basically said, I know you can give me your clients name, but you are more than welcome to pass along my name and information. If he wants to call me and he did, i'm going to call her Simon th, just for the sake of this podcast. SHE calls me shortly after, and he was freaking out.

SHE had actually put a track her on the car. The car was under her name. I was trying to get a feel for her situation.

Like, how long of you guys been together? She's like, only about four months. I was very up. Friends like, that's not very long time.

Can you share with me how you put a car for him under your name and SHE, he said. He said he was in the middle of buying a house. He said if he got a car, he would affect his credit.

He would have a hard time because he was already in the middle of purchasing a house. Of course, I wish just trying to help him. Mouth was like, note that totally makes sense.

I kind of piece together for her what I put in a very short of manta. We actually didn't talk on the film for too long. I said, doesn't live with you.

Are you worried about your safety? Like, no, luckily i'm still living at home with my parents. We have not moved in together or anything like that was like, that's good.

She's just like, look, I feel so ashamed and embarrassed. I said to her, I get IT like, if anybody understands that, it's me. You got the ship figured out four months.

You knew, like higher private investigator. What had happened is that he had a GPS on the card he said he had done for a work trip to new york. And IT was still ping in L.

A. When IT should have been at the airport. And so that's when he hired the private investigator. Ironically, the P. I had told me that all of those women on the restraining waters he had reached out to and told them about the poynter too.

So I end up getting message from a woman we talked into the season about all the restraining orders I have found out about. So one of this restricting orders was a woman named cara amusing, a suit name, hair. So we don't give away their real identities with women to reach out to me on instagram with friends with kisa, SHE said, hey, Chris a told me about the podcast.

I had already known that this private investigator, or he told Chris and SHE said, I actually dated already at the exact same time as well. That's how we met. We were both dating him.

I think I was only dating him around five months. He wasn't physically abusive to her. Her, but again, he was telling her all these lies as well about him fake or checks and of the stuff that we talk about on the park cast.

She's like, oh, that's everything that he told me as well. So you're getting the podcast out there via private investigators. Tiffanie then we shift into custody again around April or may we go to court.

Mechanic's refused to do what anything he supposed to regarding paperwork. And so my layer has to take him to court. They get there. In the first, the judge says, you want to fill out this basic paperwork.

And the judge winds up awarding me twenty five hundred dollars to cover the layers fee for having to take him to court to tell him to do what. So this is the first time this judge has done anything against him. He immediately emails, my layer is just like, if you want to negotiate fine, we can negotiate about this.

If that's what Daniel wants, I will focus on my other daughter. Mind you, this is may twenty, twenty two. I see this email and I text kj and I say, I think Darcy has contact with him.

The only reason I said that is because he had insisted for quite some time that he had no contact with him whatsoever. We were early kind of keeping tabs on her per say, but we're asking about how the kids are doing. The kids don't talk about seeing r day is like nope, says there's no contact but I get this email to my lawyer is like i'm going to focus my other daughter.

So again, my message and I think there is hang out or talking to R T, and he's like, I don't think so she's pretty adamant about keeps him away and my goo k maybe i'm wrong, maybe just said as two weeks later, he's like you were right he did admit that he would talk to him sometimes because he didn't even want to keep his daughter away from him. So we start negotiations during this next couple months. We're going back and forth the custody agreement we have sort of narrowed down, but essentially, I was asking for full physical and legal custody was zero.

In exchange, he would have to pay zero as child support and he would not have to pay back that lawyers fee is. And he could not contest an adoption if I chose to have an adoption in the future. The reason why I did this because they say that the woman who had the child with him to thirteen years ago, I am in contact with and in regular communication with.

She's been going through the process of having her husband adopt her daughter, even though he's not ever seen this child a day in her life. SHE cannot get this through the courts about adoption because I think at one point should try to file for child support. They can never find him, even though his name is not on the birth certificate.

And that somehow registered him as of the father, so he has to get him to sign off on these adoption paper works for her child at thirteen that he's never seen in his life. I knew that the kind of structure SHE had to my layer, and I decided that we were going to add in a class that said, you can't contest a future adoption. We moved war with that, but he insisted there was a laws that he could sue me.

He claims I have valuable stuff, which is not at all the truth at, like clothing and books, a bunch of garbage that I kept in storage for a year. And my new clear was like, you can get rid of IT now. And I donated IT.

But he wanted the ability to sum me. This is what we're going back and forth on. Even at the beginning of june, this kids put on hold because I headed on my first vacation and forever my boyfriend's brother was getting married in mali.

He flew all of us out there, mean my daughter him is mom. We all went out there. IT was a lot of fun.

I had taken my daughter unlike, uh, current good vacation to sea, the summer before that for three days would never been on the airplane full vacation before. So this was such a treat for her. I think we told her about this in february, and we didn't leave until dude and SHE almost every other we could bring.

How was about going to about a week? And we left my daughter behind at the army and be with his mom for a bit. And we went to go to town, see a bunch of shops and stuff.

We were going to be gone on. We were really hungry. And so we decided to go to this burger place on the water.

There's a line we have no desire of stand in line for a table. So we asked them I cake. We just set up the bar.

And the bar is really tiny. If you can imagine, there's just like five seats if you're face in the bar tender, the far left, there's two empty seats. So we sit down in those.

My boyfriend sits to the far left, to the very and seed I set next to him, to his right, to my right is this other guy who is eating and talking to the bartender. There's an empty seat next item. And then the fifth c is this girl who's over there.

We were any drinks, so we get at the food. And I happened to gLance over, I guess, that M. T.

C. Wasn't exactly empty. The person and I think to the bathroom and that person had to come back and sit and down.

I happened to look over and I look back and i'm just like, you know, that time we're like, you think you see somebody, you know and you're just like, okay, no, it's probably just like someone who looks like because i've thought i've seen him around the city that I live before is very possible. I'm just like, okay, no, no, like a weird coincidence. But I just couldn't shake this feeling that I was him.

So I get up and I am going to go to the bathroom, and I walked to the back and behind us to the bathroom, thinking that on my way back to my seat, I can get a Better look. After i'm in the bathroom, I walk back to, I see, but I can still only see the back of his head. He has a scar on the back of his head, and I see this person has a scar on the back of their head so i'm sitting down and i'm like, okay, if I can just hear his voice and see, maybe it's all crazy coincidence.

Meanwhile, my boyfriend is taxing what is going on IT like you? Your deminers change. Like what is happening? I was trying to listen, and i'm hearing this guy talk to the bar tender and he's got a british accent.

And the stuff he was saying, the stuff like, oh, i'm from england, we're always drunk. It's always time for a beer simple show like that. I don't remember the exact thing.

I do remember that's exactly the type of thing that I would say my brain is shorting out right now. I am trying to figure out if it's just playing this incredibly all track on me or this is really fucking happening on my first vacation with my boyfriend. My boyfriend like, are you okay and i'm texting him like I think this guy on the other side of me is my ax.

Of course, he does the same thing that I did. Sure, it's just a coincident that just sounds like or whatever is like you would now i'm fucking shaking. I who's like, it's him.

So he's like, well, is that true? We're not going to do anything right here in the bar. I don't know that was him reassuring me, or like a question, he knew everything about R, T, right? All of the deceit, faking the british accent, the lying about his job, about military service.

Ironically, my way from actually served in the military and it's funny because one day he came to me with, like all these certificates he had got and well in the military and also this dish charge paperwork, he was like, he I was just going through some stuff. I know you've been lied to about this, so i'm going to show you my actual large paperwork. And obviously there's a tonic photos.

Let's the other thing asked for photo evidence, but he obviously knew about all the lies. He knew about the trading orders, whether women, the verbal abuse that I went through, the threats of objection of my daughter, the threat of violence against my family that I was beautiful of. I pretty much told him all of the things that we covered in the podcast.

He did hadn't listen to the podcast, but he didn't really need to cause I told him everything I actually think of. Few of my best friends still haven't listened to the podcast because they were like, go, we are enough the story. So I think in his mind, I was like, what do you honest to do? That was probably part reassurance of me, helping me gain control situation, because in that moment, at the moment, he said, look where i'm going.

Na, do anything. Honestly, my mind was trying to think ten steps ahead and intense steps ahead. I realize I don't have a sign the agreement yet, so I have to play this smartly.

Also, I am in a bit of fighter flight mode at this point. I took a deep breath and I was like, you know what? You're right.

This mother faker does not get to ruin my vacation. This is the first time I and face to face with him since everything went down. And if I am like face to face, right, he doesn't get to place me back in the victim mode. And like you, right, he doesn't matter.

Did you post about the trip before you went? Or did anybody who was going on the trip post about IT impossibly tag you?

Or did he have access your email at all?

No, not at all. But there were so many of my friends I am leave tax. This didn't feel like a coincidence for them, either my text to someone, other things, do you know you never feel I fuck ran into the R.

T. I didn't believe me. We actually took a video of IT. There was a little window there next to, like the very end. My boyfriend sent me to quote on, quote, take a picture is a good over there by that window, like a picture of you. And so he not only took the picture of me, but he got a video of rt being there.

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I think you text to me or maybe you send me a voice memo or a voice mails or something. I remember being very casual like, hey, great. So back, I know you're busy, but we should talk.

I'm like, holy fuck.

I'm sure by the time we communicated, you had a lot of days like process, but I was instantly like, it's just fucking never who .

was so crazy? My mind was just like what the fuck I think when he figured out that was me, he looks legitimately surprised as well. But who knows, there's no way he would have known in my media. I did actually didn't even talk about IT on my media.

regardless whether was intentional or not. It's fucking terrifying. I can't imagine how you would feel if I fuck and run into that guy. Was ever a time where you a new boyfriend after that experience? Why considered already authorities?

I think we felt like I was coincidental, one of those weird universe things that happens. We didn't think about a learning authorities because we've got a lot of security around our place and also made in his former military what ends up happening. Partly after that, I am most immediately was like, you need to make him sign the dam custody paperwork.

I don't care how you get IT done, but you need to get IT done. I was getting really forced ful with my lawyer. I was like enough with his gay himes get this signed so he did after a few weeks he did finally notice ze.

And so shortly after that, to tell this piece of IT, IT wound up get into the court and they kicked IT back because they were like this mind about him showing now doesn't belong in a custody agreement. They said, you need to take this out. Resign IT.

So of course, he refused to resign IT. So we are waiting to go to court in october. Probably a worker too.

Before that court day, I got a message on instagram. SHE said, hi my names, mary. I'm looking for someone by your name that was on the something was wrong podcast.

If you are, please call or email me. If not, I apology for the inconvenience. And he leaves her phone number.

Email, am my hi mary. Yes, that would be me. And he says my sister has been dating, quote and quote kao, as he calls himself. Now for over a year, SHE is on the verge of quitting her job and moving in with him in manhattan beach.

I just found the website last night because not of my family or friends have I felt good about him, and I wanted to try to figure out his deal. I basically would like guide flash help with how to tell my sister all this information without overwhelm ming, her and poor, angering. R.

T. This is that and he sounds me like three photos and so like, hey, i'm so sorry I just caught up getting my daughter right for school but I can give you a call at thirty but that work, I guess so we get on a call and proceed to discuss everything. She's like my sisters been dating him.

He has this job. She's talking about leaving to move in with him, but she's never ever been to his place and he's always got some excuse about IT. He was still claiming to be british, still claiming to be a doctor, still traveling a lot of this stuff.

And I broke IT down. I was like, like, he's not a doctor. Is that reserved in the military? He is not british.

The accent est fake. I kind of filing holds her. He listened to SHE benched the podcast.

The important thing was how he tells her sister we're going to call her sister azara. She's like, i'm worried how do what I tell her? All the stuff.

I basically was like, look, I have all the documentation. There's more stuff than we cover on the podcast. I was like, I will share you access to the folder with all the information.

I was like, how long have they been dating? And she's like, a year and a half. I was like, we'll back in february twenty twenty two, I got a call from a private investigator from one of his girlfriends.

That's not your sister. So you are saying theyve been dating since last year. He was obviously cheating on her, but this is just evidence for her. We did have a long talk, and I told her that sounds like maybe the best way to do this might be for me to do IT with you.

I can make that guarantee right now I have to go talk to my partner about this because I want to make sure that he's OK with that. I went home and I talked to my boyfriend and was like, when you think about this, i'm thinking the easiest way for this girl to process what is hearing and know that is the truth is to hear from me. But I want to be conscious of your feelings.

If this makes you uncomfortable, let's talk about that. He was just immediately like, isn't that the whole reason you get the podcast was like, help other women in this position and I was like, yes, he's like, then I I guess the answer is pretty clear. I had called Stacy about this because I often talk to her about a lot of the stuff.

Stc lives about two hours for me. Where I would be meeting up with this woman would have been about an hour for me. He was in between us, an hour for both of us.

And SHE volunteer to come up and do this intervention with me. IT was really weird, though, because we were trying to figure out how to get her there without a learning him. We didn't want IT to be something that he would know.

Something was going down. Mary SHE had driven up to her parents house because mary also lived two hours away. SHE had called me on speaker phone with her mom there, so some of the advice I had given them was to have a soft phone ready.

I said, SHE the able, she's gonna a need to shut down all her. Her stuff is likely hacked into IT and is tracking IT. So she's going after not only change all her passwords, which you just want to get like a new phone altogether, possibly a new laptop, but you can start with the phone, at least have that ready for her immediately.

You want to make her feel safe, not judged, right? If she's worried about you, don't know she's been making threats, told you guys or sorts her making her understand that safety there that you can rely on. And I said, but you also need to be prepared that he might not leave and that has to be okay.

He needs to not feel judge, because if he decides to stay at some point when he needs to leave, if he feels judge SHE might wait a lot longer to actually leave, SHE does not want to prove you guys right in sure he has your support no matter what the super nice they were on board with all of that. So we met at this restaurant. Mary was their first with sa.

I waited about, like, fifteen minutes after they went in to come in and I SAT down. And I was just like, hey, mary, reach out to me online. SHE found my story really interesting, thought you might also find IT interesting.

And he invited me to come and meet with you. Stacy was late as he was coming up after work, and so SHE hadn't gotten there yet. I just had to start on my own.

I was really scared I had ever done this in person. I was weird and unusual for me. I really wanted heard to car.

How about IT was, and not just completely shut down? So I was just like, I met this guy online and I knew him as R. T. I think you know him as kyle in two thousand twenty. Here's all the things I found out about him.

I get a quick one list of all of the things we covered on the podcast as like I have paperwork for you so you don't have to believe me. You should actually read through everything and see for yourself. But I will say that I want to really emphasize that your sister came to me.

I did not seek you out. I am simply here trying to help your family because they've asked for my hell, because very concerned about what they know about him. Now SHE wasn't upset.

SHE just had this real blank look on her face, which he could have possibly been just in shock. SHE didn't talk to us. SHE would answer questions.

Her sister was like, we're concerning you're gonna quit your dog and just like, well, i've been considering this for a while actually so that's still fine. Look, that make sense. And then like, what about like moving at your place like I have these remains but have a cat.

I think it's time for me to be my the places kind of a smells like cab so sounds like you needs some changes and he is like, yeah, I think said something to the effective know he's probably got multiple girlfriends. They told her about the private investigator conversation february, and he said, well, we first started dating. We weren't really exclusive.

I was like very exclusive and february of twenty twenty two like earlier this year and she's like, yeah like OK. Well, he had another raw friend. He was a little in denial if SHE denied him being abusive, po was really even reluctant to say that he verbally abused her.

Even if that's true, he's still lying to you about his identity. He's faking the accent. He's lying about his profession. I know he's got our friends. I said, do you own the car that he drives and just, I would never buy him a car and like, I understand what you're say, but I guarantee you have his name is on that car is another girlfriend of his because he does not have cars and his name, we ended things like what to do next at some point, says he did show up and SHE added in her perspective what had happened to her and everything. That was just a second validation of this.

All facts, let's say we just passle in the information like he could easily just have brain mice turn to the point of being like, oh, it's just my eggs she's making. Shut up. That was the thing that I didn't want to happen.

I thought by having two bus would Better validate that. This isn't some angry ex trying to get venture making stuff up. At the end of IT, I ask, can I give you a hug? And he said, yes.

So we have to goopy, but he was like going to sit on this for a little bit. So I figure out like, okay, great. Couple days later, mary messages me the address of where he supposedly live.

So this is the address that he has given to ZARA when she's never seen in person. If you do like the google maps of view of the place is like, literally probably a ten million dollar home. My immediate reaction and response to mary was, so let me get this straight.

ZARA thinks that he lives in a place like this, but he choose. To spend ninety percent of his time at her apartment or another couple lives that's messy and smooth like p all the time. Am I getting this correct? And i'm like, no judgment.

She's like you. I have the same point. I would be mad at my partner if they lived in this house that looked like this.

And we were spending all of our time in my apartment. We had met on the weekend. And so these texts exchange that week, after that, following weekend, is the weekend before my court day, which is on a monday.

I text, mary, hey, every talk to your sister. Just want to see you did this whole confrontation over the weekend because I heit in the court the next morning. She's like, no, I went, heard from her.

I don't think she's done IT. The next morning is the court thing and he's a no show to this. But on the call, the core agrees to basically let us resuming without his signature, which is a win for us, and we are able to move forward with the custody.

My layer calls me right after she's like, uh, he said me like the nasty email this morning. I just started chuckles and I said, oh, I think he did IT over the weekend and I told her about the intervention and she's like to keep fighting the good fight. He didn't show up to court because he was at the courthouse filing a restraining order against me.

I later saw a copy of what he filed, and he basically tells the judge about the podcast these, claiming i'm ruining his life and harassing him. I immediately text mary and I say, hey, have you still not heard from ara? SHE says, no.

I said SHE definitely confronted him over the week you contact with her because at this point I was a safety concern. Nobody y's her from her. So SHE literally drops what she's doing, drives the two hours up.

Shea, I am on my way. ZARA was not answering the phone, married, kept texting her, so SHE calls ZARA remains and asked them if they know it's going on. SHE had not even told them that the person that was living there with them know what was going on so they're not happy.

Meaning while while she's driving up there, somehow he manages to get the ban on his vehicle SHE taxi, the verge. Like, do you know how to like around this? And I say, let me see.

I looked online a couple of places. They charge you and they don't even give you the owner. So I text the private investigator and my kid, I don't have you remember me.

Do you know there is somewhere where I can run this? He's like, I will do IT for you is like, great. Let me know how much he's like, no, i'll take care of this.

Within the next hour, he text me back the name and address of the registered owner of his vehicle and I about fell over IT shouldn't have surprise me, but I was Darcy. Can you knew all about the stuff going on and from? Like we should find out who owns the vehicle.

So I text you like we run the vin and the owner is Darcy. He was so upset, he called her. He denied IT. And to be clear, because we haven't .

touched on this, kenji wasn't able to participate in the episodes. However, he has given Daniel consent to share what SHE is sharing, right?

correct? He was not happy to which I said to, can do the facts or the fact this car belongs to her. How could you not know anything? You have to give your social security and your driver that diner's.

And where did you get a car? You click this like, you're right. She's lying. I was checking in with mary long story. sure.

What ended up happening is that somehow he found out that they had given me the vent. So he broke up with her supposed over this. I will say that in january this year, I did.

Tex, mary, no, happy new years. I would have a couple months. Ince, all this went down.

So I was like, kid planted, make sure that ZARA was good. Has he tried to like White his way back into her life, or is SHE good? SHE said, she's great.

Honestly, he's gone, got a new boyfriend and she's doing gray. I was really, really happy to actually hear that. That was a happy ending darc SHE did reach to kentry.

SHE wound up telling him, yes, I put the car on my name, but he did ask for his help in getting the car back. They went to get the car back, and at first he wanted giving him back to him after they retrieved IT. That's most likely because he made a bunch of threats against her.

The second time, he decided to do IT again, from what I understand, he went to the police. He tried to file a police report against her for trying to get the car back, but I was in her name, and so he wanted having to actually hand over the vehicle. They tracked him down to get the car from an address and was yet another girlfriend there. That's really the last we've heard of his warehouse.

In february. So last month, I finally, after two years, got the sign court order of my custody agreement in place. The only thing that my layer got in response from R.

T is tell you her I can't client that I will never, ever agree to an adoption of my daughter. The one thing I will add is that in the court order, the courts are to summarizes the custody agreement and then puts in their orders. Everything was pretty much all the same, except for the custody peace, like added in a little extra there.

They said that he must sign any paperwork related to an adoption and that if he does not give me an email address to notify him, that he waves his right for notification, and if I have to hire a private investigator to locate him in order to you whatever is necessary for this, that he must reivers me for those expenses. I actually didn't even request that in my documentation. That was something that the court added in there. I would like to believe that after two years of all this nonsense, perhaps the judge, or maybe their clerk is trying to redeem herself just a little bit here.

or they heard the podcast Better for society.

say, I absolutely .

do hope they had enlightenment and they are like, ow, we should be advocate because that what this whole system is for. But maybe they heard the podcast, where does that leave you emotionally, mentally update us on yours status at the moment? How do you feel receiving .

that was like a real release. I couldn't do things like get her a passport. And there was always the risk that if he managed to show up to her school and get her, I would not get her back because I didn't have a leg document in place stating that I was the legal parent.

IT was always risky. So IT makes me feel great about that, great that I could get her a passport if I want to. I don't have these hurdles I don't have to do with this stuff anymore.

Do you know how much money I have spent on my lawyer? IT is insane. The amount of money that I have had to spend doing this now that money can go to a Better cause and maybe another vacation, I had to work really, really hard to cover those financial cost.

IT also makes me realize you just get squared, if can't pay for a lawyer. In the end, on the one who was able to get what was needed, he did not get what he wanted. I think that this part was just part for the course when I was with him and I wanted to leave.

I never imagined I would wind up when I met today. And that makes me incredibly grateful. I told my therapist at the time that, lets say, I decided to just walk away and leave.

Let's even pretend he isn't this violent person like he laim to be like he won't show up my parents a rifle. Let's just assume that doesn't happen just for a pure ponderous. I still have to go parent with a man who controls me through my daughter.

And how do I do that? How do I ever have a life? How do I ever date again dealing with somebody who continues to control me? At least if i'm here, I can make the situation a little bit Better.

I could control a little bit more. I would try to keep the peace, right? IT would be almost impossible for me to keep the piece.

If I decided to leave. He would never, ever let that stand. He would do everything in his power to take control.

And I would have to go parent with this man for the rest of my life. And who the hell wants to do with that? I really thought i'd be risking the safety of any future relationships.

So in a way, justice did prevail. I think justice could to play out Better in the courts. I think if there were real justice, he would be behind bars.

But at least I get justice for me. And that is that I have custody of my daughter, he gets zero visitation, he has no rights, and I have an incredible relationship. At the end of the day, it's about keeping yourself safe and leaning on the support that you have.

This feels like a new chapter. The rest of this chapter is going to have zero to do with R. I don't ever have to talk about him other in the context of the spot cast unless, of course, I get another poor sister or girlfriend looking for answers, and at that point I will share the same information.

Now also, too enough time has passed that we can actually give people real updates about things because IT takes time. We didn't have the way to wrap IT up in a nice little beautiful bowl for everybody when the season concluded. People had a lot of feelings about that.

I hope you will get some sembLance of closure. Organizations like I can, they're specifically working to qualify consent. And the thing is about his victims, as none of you were able to properly consent to anything that sexually took place in your relationship because he used fraud to acquire IT.

IT is so illegal and and until our laws change, we can lock him up and you hook me up with the detective who handled the car jacking and then suspected that he was fully shit and he had contact due. And I spoke with him and he's like, I wish I could get this guy. Unfortunately, he is one of those people that uses the things in the system that are created to actually protect domestic violence victims.

He's used them to exploit the system. I'm just so proud of you. I'm so happy for you and your new boyfriend and your daughter and that you are just arriving and having a million jobs per usual.

And just like doing your thing, you're always like doing something fun. I am going to be in a music video next weekend. Oh, I am going to this like raki retreat or sunshine in the woods like you're always doing some fabulous l shit. You, me, I live through you like the mom and me girls, you guys keep Young.

I'm actually working on a business plan with my boyfriend right now. I'm working on potentially opening a Bakery.

Of course you are. You're just such a bad as amy and Daniel m. So thankful for you both and that the universe has put you both in my life. I look forward to to all this to come.

Well, i'm equally as grateful for both the V. O, if ever, wanting to grab into my story, the insane of IT, and share IT for everybody. And i'd like to believe that even just listening this past week, your latest victim that was sharing their story, emilia, emilia says that he listen to the podcast, and SHE fell inspired to tell her stories so that I could hopefully help others. To me, that's a win, right? I'm part of these stories that SHE listen to that gave her the courage to tell her story.

I do feel like this is a tight little nick group of powerful women who lived each other up. And i'm so honor to be a part of IT after the .

live event that we had for season and fourteen, just like her, the listeners, we had this amazing dinner and IT was all of us from season thirteen. And Michael cAllan, how has been in and yells there and even from our internal team there and amy there, I was so full of love and vibrations I don't know to explain. I'm sitting there looking around this table like we fuck and did that you now we get to all be a part of this community.

And now amy gets to help tell other people's stories. And Danielle, you continue to advocate, and you continue to do all bad assertion that you continue to do and in your now a victim advocate for these victims trying to help the next person. It's women looking out for women. And I fucked and love IT. And I just love you guys.

I love you built too.

I can't even describe how much you've done by sharing your story, especially at such a pivotal time in the show, to watch the show grow with your season along with the because the efforts, i'm so honor to be a part of IT and Tiffany. Thank you for doing this for all of us and for all of your listening ers. It's just incredible.

Thank you, amy, to for doing this and helping me to create this content and helping us continue to keep our community updated. IT really speaks to how much we all love each other and support one another. People get so invested that they want updates and they just want to know you're good, they just want to know you're doing well.

And I love that we're actually to give i'm thankful that finally able to do IT, we get to start bringing these kinds of episodes to the listeners. And if you guys are into these types of episodes, please go subscribe to what came next. Because going forward, they may not be on this feed.

They may be exclusively on the what came next feed. So if you are into update episodes, and I know ninety nine percent of you voted yes on update episodes on my instagram stories poll, go subscribe to what came next. You will not only get to hear update episodes like this, but you will also get to hear aimes other incredible episodes with people in Darcy shows who are sharing through their own lens what came next for them after sharing their stories with the world.

And if you in need of any free, confidential resources, i'm going to continue to plug IT till the end of time because you guys, there's just so, so many good resources that are free available to the public confidential. Something was wrong about com slash resources. If you want to chat, text call with somebody who works for the national domestic violence hotline, or there's various other interpersonal violence, free counselling, free chat services online. If anybody is a need and wants to make a safety to be able to effectively leave their relationship, they may not have family, they may not have support, and sadly, a lot of times, predators and users love to separate people from their loved ones. No matter what support you have in your life, please know you're not alone, and there are resources to help.

Thank you for amplifying those resources with your platform, Tiffany. And doing so much to change the way we have to navigate these systems.

You're amazing. We're all doing IT together. It's just amazing that every episode in every season that community continues to grow. We all each other stories and reach and support.

I love when I see people share their story on the podcast and then continue to listen and support the people who come next. Daniel and amy are absolute examples of that and it's just very, very beautiful. Well, this thought .

fulness and what you're curating, it's hard not to be invested in IT.

You really are creating something special.

What happens after the experiences of true crime survivors have been shared with the world? Does the media truly capture, all entails to survive such tragedy in the public eye? What comes after the convictions are in the cameras stop rolling and the court of public opinion has spoken.

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