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Facebook is only good for three things. Number one is birthdays. It's great. Birthdays. Number two, of course, is seeing how poorly your ex's decisions turned out. Number three, I don't know what that is, but a little while ago, a Facebook request pops up and makes me laugh out loud from someone I used to kick it with hard back in the day, hanging out at her house,

We'd eat these Swanson's Hungry Man microwave dinners on actual TV trays. She loved them. Loved them! Get all excited about Salisbury steak or the home-style meatloaf, the Swanson fried chicken. Act like it was all tasty delicious. I'd help her chase her dog, Sherbert, always trying to get run over in the street. She had a rule that we could only play board games that we made together. We were tight. Tight. And one night, finally...

watching the Muppets. She loved the Muppets. Watching the Muppets, I'd reach over and I'd hold her hand. For two hours, we'd just hold hands. Then after I'd leave her place that night, I'd never see her again. I just figured, life. Different schools, different states, finally different countries. But no one knew where she went. Like, she was swallowed up. I was actually scared that maybe something terrible had happened. I'd Google every so often since Google became a thing, but no luck.

I knew you were looking for me.

My mom told me whatever you left a message. But back then, the closer we got, the more afraid I became, the more terrified I would drown you under my own darkness. I felt empty and I knew I would hollow you out too, like a ghost. We stay quiet then, both of us on either side of the line, not having any more words to say, but neither of us wanting to stop talking. I ask her, hey, hey, stay in the line, okay? I'm going to walk to the store. You go to the store too, all right? All right.

We both go to our respective grocery store. I get to Salisbury steak. She gets the fried chicken. Spooks start. Now, now, what if someone you love, someone you care about can't give words to what they experience? How do you help them? Our next story takes us down south to Little Rock, Arkansas. Stacey Kinsler is a photographer. She and her husband, their three-year-old daughter, Mabry, they're looking for a new house to call home. A place where they can make memories as a family together.

but some houses they have memories of their own we reached a point where we kind of felt like we outgrew our little house that we got as a starter home and started looking around and saw the cutest little house it was built in 1941 and it's just very much a cottage home has a cute little screened-in porch off to the side it has the cutest

front door that's arched and original hardwood floors. I loved it immediately, but it didn't feel like mine. When we were walking through the house, it just sort of hit me in my gut, like this just isn't my house. It was a very clear feeling to me. And so we left it alone and kind of

waited patiently for something else to come up and not a lot came up during that time and the summer passed and we went back and decided we would go ahead and make an offer on it. And so we did and it became ours. When it came time for us to move into the house, I was just really excited because the street was so cute and the house was so cute and

That gut feeling of this house isn't mine, I kind of pushed it aside and was just really focused on being excited. So Mabry, she started school early. She started when she was two years old, which was not necessarily in our plan, but it's what happened. Mabry was diagnosed with autism and she had a profound speech delay.

Her communication was very limited, and we got her into speech therapy, and she started to go to school full-time. So a lot of time at home, just being there alone, just me in the house. So I am at home working, editing photos, and just decided I would come out into the living room to check on the dog and see what he was doing. He had a little bed in front of the fireplace, so I walked in.

to the living room and we have a old cuckoo clock that was over the fireplace and the pendulum had broken. And for the first time in years saw that the pendulum on it was swinging. It hadn't done that, I can't remember the last time that it worked. So I noticed that and thought it was really odd. What on earth made it swing?

I pulled out my phone and took a video of it and sent it to my husband and he had no answer for that either. As time goes on, I start to see lights flickering and hear floorboards creaking. It was little things like that that were odd and strange. It was just something that makes you go, huh, okay, that was weird.

There's one night when I'm going to bed and I crawl into bed after a long day and was about to fall asleep and heard the latch on the door hit up against the door frame as if something has pushed against the door, but it catches. And I feel a presence like something has come into the room.

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just relax, enjoy our evening together after she had gone to bed. As we're sitting there on the couch, I heard the door open and I thought, okay, so she's getting up. She's going to come out here and talk to us or try to get us to come back in there and get her back to sleep. But she never does.

So I got up and went to her room and found her just standing in the doorway. And I say to her, what's going on? What's wrong? And she says, it's the lady. And I say, what lady? The lady on the dresser. My first instinct was to say, was it somebody outside, like in the window? Was it the neighbor? And it was a no. And that was very...

unnerving because Mayberry wasn't telling stories at that time. The information that she shared with us was always with a purpose. She was communicating in a way of like communicating needs. So when she said that she sees a lady in her room and I had been experiencing the things that I had experienced in the home,

The hairs on the back of my neck stood up, but my mother instincts kicked in and I just wanted to help her get back to sleep and comfort her. And so I was like, okay, well that, you know, that sounds scary, but you're okay. And mom and dad are here. We're just in the next room. We can leave the door open. I'll lie back down with you for a little while and help you get back to sleep. And so that's what I did. It happens about once a week.

Other nights when she wakes up, she comes to us. She comes to us and, you know, tells us whatever it is that she needs or gets a drink or whatever. But on the nights when it was the lady, she would never come. She would just stand in the doorway. And so I would get up and say to her, what's going on? And she would say, it's the lady. At that point, I was scared. It

It made me reach out to the former owner of the house on Facebook and just say, "Did you ever have anything odd happen here?" And she wrote me back and said, "You know, I hate that I didn't say anything to you about it at the time, but yeah, we did. We had weird stuff happen there." They would hear noises around the house, creaking in the floors, similar things to what we had experienced.

She was in the kitchen and the sink came on and no one turned it on. She had a baby and the baby had the same room that Mabry has. And she said that she would be changing the baby's diaper and pick up the baby and the baby would be looking over her shoulder, making eye contact just a few feet behind her. But nobody was there. I wasn't angry at her.

Honestly, I felt validated because it was like, okay, so it's not Mabry having dreams. It's not me just walking into a room and seeing random things happen. It's we're not the only ones here that this has happened to. So, of course, I'm sharing all this with my friends, my close friends, because it was all so bizarre and scary and

Jordan, one of my best friends, grew up on that street that we live on. And she lived a few houses down. I was on the phone with Jordan and I was telling her about the things that we had been experiencing in the house and that Mayru was seeing the lady. She immediately thought of Miss Kelly, the lady that lived in my home back in the 90s. And so I was very intrigued and excited.

I said, well, tell me about Miss Kelly. Like, what was she like? Who was she? You know, did you know her well? And she said, yeah. My mom and I would make dinners for her because she was elderly. She had lost her vision, and she was unable to do that for herself. And so she would pack up a plate of food and take it down to Miss Kelly. Jordan would bring her meals until lunchtime.

Miss Kelly passed away, and our home was the last home that Miss Kelly lived in. And of course, we both wondered, is the lady Miss Kelly? Having a name and an idea of who this person was that was in my house, I started to feel compassion towards her. However, I did not want her scaring my daughter. I wanted that to stop. That had to stop.

So Mabry, as she was in school, it changed our lives. It was like once she understood what communication was about, it started to really take off for her. And now she's able to explain what she's feeling and all those things that I wondered about when she was little. And so every so often after things had calmed down, I would say, "Do you remember the lady

I was just so curious. And she would just shut it down. She was like, yep, I don't want to talk about that. It was a couple of years ago, and I just felt like I would ask her again to see if she was ready to talk about it. Because it was something that was unresolved for me with her. And I said, do you remember the lady? And she was like, yeah. And I said, do you feel like talking about that? And she said, yeah, definitely.

And so I just said, well, just tell me what you remember. So I remember my mom would put me to bed. She would read me a story. Then she would, like, tell me goodnight, turn off the lights, and then close the door, and I would fall asleep not too long after that. But then there was one night where I would wake up, and there was this woman sitting on my dresser across from my bed. She looked pale to the point where...

She just looked like a sheet of paper. And she had like old scraggly hair and it was like gray, dirty, you know. She was wearing this black hood type of dress. She looked kind of upset. Like she was disappointed. My mind was racing. I could feel the adrenaline like kick in.

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I kind of sat there for a moment and just kept watching her. And that's when I decided I should just get up and go try to talk to my parents about it. But I didn't really know exactly how to talk to them about what happened. I've always kind of, I've been like an internal person. So I don't love to like be like, oh my gosh, there's like someone in my room. I don't want to scare them because I thought that'd make it worse.

I thought waiting by the door would be better than to just go tell them. So I kind of felt more safer, like, just being, like, right outside my bedroom. Whenever my mom did see me by my door, we went back in my room, but the woman is gone. She's disappeared. I want to say, like, maybe a week or two later, my mom is putting me to bed,

And she tells me good night, turns out the lights and then shuts the door and then I fall asleep. But I wake up and then she was on the ceiling stretched out like an X. She looked the same. She was wearing the same clothes, but I could see her face better. I could see all the details of her face. Pale, dark eyes.

She was looking at me and she had this like huge creepy looking smile on her face. It was a way bigger smile than like a normal person would smile and it looked way too big for her face. Almost like up to her like nose. It just looked evil. I kind of feel like I wanted to vomit because it was just like that disturbing. I was scared she was going to fall off the ceiling and fall on me.

And then after that, she would be in my room everywhere. Like, she could be, like, you know, sitting on my bed, sitting on the dresser, which I feel like is common for her. Or she would be on the ceiling. One night, I woke up. The lady was inches from my face, and she was screaming profanity.

So loud. Like on the top of her lungs. And it was like a blood curdling scream. I could see her mouth. Like the inside of her mouth really well. Because she was so close. Her teeth looked rotten. It's like she hadn't brushed them in like several years. And she had this smell like from every part of her body. Kind of like something was decaying.

I just pulled in for the door. I could still hear the screaming as I was running towards the door, but then as soon as I opened the door and I stepped out of my room, the screaming stopped. So I was like, "She's gone." But I felt like she was still around, like I could still feel her presence. I just didn't feel safe anywhere.

So one night we're watching TV and Mabry's in bed and we hear the door open. I get up knowing we're going to have a lady conversation and I go back and I get her in bed and I say, okay, so what's going on? She said, it's the lady. And I said, well, what happened? So I was asleep and I woke up and I could feel her sitting on my bed. I was asleep.

She looked at me and she just told me that she didn't like my mom. Like she was kind of announcing it to me. - I don't like your mom. - I was like extremely terrified at this point because I'm like, is she going to hurt my mom? - I did go back into the living room and sat down and told my husband what Mabry had said. And you know, of course he thought that was scary.

We just tried to go back to watching TV and go on about our night. It's very hard to focus on the show. It's hard to go to the bathroom alone or lie down in bed and go to sleep and have that feeling of there's something in my house and whatever it is doesn't like me. Not long after that, Jordan, my friend Lori came over. We were going to watch a movie.

So we're all sitting on the couch and I was giving them the latest update on the lady and Jordan just said out loud to the house, "Ms. Kelly, it's Jordan. Remember me? I used to bring you dinner and this is my friend Stacey and she's a good person and her daughter's a sweet girl and her husband's a good man and these are my friends."

I wasn't ready for that, and I got really uncomfortable. I thought, please don't do that. Just stop. You're either going to make her mad or you're going to stir her up. But the opposite happened. Things changed after Jordan talked to Miss Kelly. I would say that the atmosphere in the house, it felt more like my home, you know? The coziness of the house became cozier, more.

It all just felt a little bit calmer and more peaceful. And maybe we no longer saw the lady. It stopped after that. Like I had the anticipation of her showing up. I felt like if I would say anything about her, it would somehow like bring her spirit back. So that's why I never really talked about it. As 10 years went by,

I was like, "Oh, it is official. She isn't coming back." Which is what made me think, "Oh, I feel safe talking about it now." Like a weight has been lifted off of my body. Like that's kind of how it felt, you know? To hear her tell it now, I think it brought up different emotions. One was amazement at her and what she's been able to overcome and her ability to communicate. That part of it is cool.

The other part of it was, that's really scary. And that was heartbreaking. You don't want your daughter to have to see those kinds of things. But her ability to talk about it and not be afraid, that was what gave me peace about it. The story was complete, kind of. You know, the holes were filled in. And it did feel like closure. Scary closure, but closure nonetheless.

So it was the spring and I had gotten in bed and was about to fall asleep and heard the door press against the latch and felt just a presence in the room. And I picked up my phone and turned on the flashlight and shined it around and nothing was there. This didn't feel scary the way that it used to. It didn't feel threatening at all.

So I just turned the flashlight off and went to sleep. The next morning, Maybre said, "I think I saw the lady again." So I was asleep and I woke up. I turned towards the doorway and I see this figure in a white dress. And now looking at her, I realize it is the lady.

And she actually had, I think, a little bit of makeup on. Like her face looked a lot better. It didn't look as pale. And then like her hair looked better too. And it looked pretty. It looked like someone actually took care of her.

So I saw her and she was just looking at me, but she would kind of like slowly fade away, but then slowly appear again, like headlights flashing on a car, but like really, really slowly. She didn't really have like a smile on her face, but she didn't look upset either. She just kind of had like a neutral expression on her face. It definitely seemed a lot kinder,

I was confused, but I wasn't scared. I was kind of like laying there like, that's so strange, like, that she's there. And it's been 10 years. And then I went back to sleep after that. I think that the lady appeared again to let us know that she is at peace. It's been a long road. She knows the family that we are and...

I think that she has made peace with us being there. But even though things have calmed down in the house, we still feel her around. We still have lights flicker. We still have footsteps in the hall. I feel like it's just sort of become like a thing to us now. Like it's not new. We don't feel like we need to like hide from anything. Like we feel more safe. Like it's our home.

Wendell gets a little more scared now than he used to, which is funny to me. He'll just kind of make a noise like, oh, I don't like, I just don't like it. I'll just look at him and like shrug my shoulders like there she goes again. At some point during all of this, I decided to sage the house. It felt like housekeeping almost. We've reached a new point in all of this and saging any negative energy just feels like one good last step.

I walked all through the house and prayed over it and just, you know, put my energy into it. And as soon as I was done, as soon as I put it out, I laid down on my bed. And the air conditioner is right outside of the bedroom window. And it just exploded. Big, huge bang. Sparks. I do think it was Miss Kelly telling me to back off.

I think to me at that point, it was like, I've made peace with y'all living in my home, but I'm still going to be here and don't try to push me out. I almost had to laugh of like, okay, okay, sorry. I'm sorry. I won't do that again. I will make peace with you if you make peace with us. I'm sorry.

Thank you, Stacey. And thank you, Mabry, for sharing your story with The Spook. Make no mistake, Stacey and Mabry are listeners to this show. We love stories from listeners. Original score was by Leon Morimoto. News produced by Zoe Ferrigno. ♪♪♪

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