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How DC Sausage is Made: Ted Cruz & Musk Author Walter Isaacson 6/5/25

2025/6/5
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Becky Quick
以其财经新闻专长和独特采访风格而闻名的CNBC电视记者和新闻主播。
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Eamon Javers
CNBC 高级华盛顿记者，专注于经济和政治新闻报道。
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Joe Kernan
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Ted Cruz
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Walter Isaacson
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Becky Quick: 我认为马斯克反对该法案，可能因为该法案削减了电动汽车税收抵免。他还可能因为他推荐的 NASA 人选未被采纳而感到恼火。我认为马斯克实际上要求更多削减开支，以阻止法案通过。 Joe Kernan: 我认为马斯克对花费时间和金钱却没有看到成果感到沮丧。两党都参与了问题，很难在华盛顿坚持立场反对政府花钱。如果这项法案不通过，几乎肯定会发生经济衰退。 Walter Isaacson: 我认为埃隆·马斯克对华盛顿的恶感，与拜登政府和特朗普政府的监管打压有关。马斯克意识到华盛顿的根深蒂固，无法像管理自己的公司那样改变政府。马斯克对赤字问题非常坚定，即使是 Oren Kass 和 Elon Musk 也认为所有的税收减免都应该延长。

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Elon Musk publicly opposes President Trump's tax and spending bill, urging people to contact their representatives to "kill the bill." Speculation arises about Musk's motivations, including potential cuts to EV tax credits and the rejection of his NASA pick. The discussion touches upon the frustrations surrounding the Doge project and the substantial time and financial investment Musk made towards Trump's election.
  • Elon Musk's public opposition to President Trump's bill
  • Speculation about Musk's motivations: EV tax credits, NASA pick rejection
  • Musk's frustration with the Doge project and his financial investment in Trump's election

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In Washington, Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) discusses the Senate’s ongoing edits to the reconciliation bill, including deficit debates and AI regulation moratorium. On X, Elon Musk has expressed disappointment and disgust at the legislation, calling to “kill the bill.”) The Tesla CEO’s biographer Walter Isaacson discusses the wind-down of DOGE, its lasting impact, and the shifting relationship between Elon Musk and President Trump. CNBC’s Eamon Javers discusses the President’s travel ban) and the evolution of the Republican Party. Plus, Reddit has sued Anthropic, the Fed has reported an economic contraction), and President Trump has halted Harvard’s student-visa program).

 

Eamon Javers - 15:38

Walter Isaacson - 23:25

Sen. Ted Cruz - 35:56

 

In this episode: 

Ted Cruz, @SenTedCruz)

Walter Isaacson, @WalterIsaacson)

Eamon Javers, @EamonJavers)

Becky Quick, @BeckyQuick)

Joe Kernen, @JoeSquawk)

Katie Kramer, @Kramer_Katie)