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Episode 739 | Selling SaaS to Customers Who Don't Know They Have a Problem

2024/11/12
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Rob Walling: 探讨了Trotto公司销售SaaS软件的独特挑战。Trotto的客户留存率很高,但许多潜在客户不知道自己需要该产品,或者知道问题但不知道解决方案。这使得市场营销和客户获取变得非常困难。 Andy Kim: 介绍了GoLinks(一种企业内部使用的URL缩短器)及其三种主要应用场景:公司范围、团队范围和个人使用。GoLinks的核心功能是帮助用户记住和查找资源链接,从而提高工作效率。GoLinks最初在Google内部开发,后逐渐被其他公司采用。Trotto公司目前面临的挑战是如何提高GoLinks的知名度和市场营销,以吸引更多潜在客户。Trotto已经盈利,营收达六位数,但仍需要寻找可重复的营销渠道。 Andy Kim重点介绍了Trotto的目标客户群体:那些已经使用过GoLinks的用户,他们通常是在新公司工作,并希望继续使用类似工具。这使得Trotto的销售工作相对容易一些。然而,对于那些从未使用过GoLinks的用户,Trotto需要进行大量的客户教育工作,以帮助他们了解GoLinks的价值。 Andy Kim还谈到了Trotto的市场拓展机会,指出非科技公司也存在巨大的潜在市场。Trotto的客户留存率很高,许多客户使用GoLinks多年,并且随着公司规模的扩大,Trotto的收入也会相应增加。 Andy Kim最后总结了Trotto在市场营销方面面临的挑战,指出他们仍在寻找可重复的、有效的营销渠道。他们尝试过多种方法,但尚未找到最佳方案。 Rob Walling: 与Andy Kim讨论了Trotto的市场营销策略,以及如何应对客户教育的挑战。Rob Walling指出,Trotto的产品属于客户认知度较低的领域,因此需要采取有效的营销策略来提高产品知名度。 Rob Walling还与Andy Kim探讨了Trotto的增长策略,以及如何寻找可重复的营销渠道。他们认为,找到一个可重复的营销渠道对于Trotto的长期发展至关重要。 Rob Walling最后总结了Trotto的成功经验,指出Trotto的高客户留存率是其成功的关键因素之一。同时,他也强调了客户教育的重要性,以及如何帮助客户了解Trotto产品的价值。

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What are Go links and how do they differ from consumer URL shorteners like Bitly?

Go links are URL shorteners designed for internal use within organizations. Unlike consumer-facing services like Bitly or TinyURL, Go links only work for people within the same company. They are used to share resources internally, making it easier to remember and access frequently used links. For example, instead of typing a long URL, employees can use a short, human-readable link like 'go/holiday-party' to access a resource.

Why are Go links particularly valuable for large enterprises?

Go links become increasingly valuable as companies grow larger. They solve the problem of employees forgetting where resources are stored or shared, whether in emails, Slack, or video conferences. For large enterprises, Go links streamline internal communication and resource sharing, making it easier for employees to access important information quickly. This is especially useful in companies with thousands of employees, where manual sharing of long URLs would be inefficient.

How did the concept of Go links originate and evolve?

Go links originated at Google in the early to mid-2000s. Engineers at Google created them to simplify internal communication, such as sharing links for events like holiday parties. As employees left Google and joined other companies, they brought the concept with them, leading to its adoption at other tech companies like LinkedIn and Netflix. Trotto was founded to offer a SaaS version of this internal tool, making it accessible to more organizations.

What challenges does Trotto face in marketing Go links to potential customers?

Trotto faces significant customer education challenges because many potential customers are unaware they have a problem that Go links can solve. Even those who are problem-aware may not know that a SaaS solution like Trotto exists. This creates a headwind in marketing, as the company must first educate potential customers about the value of Go links before convincing them to adopt Trotto as the solution.

What is Trotto's current business status and growth strategy?

Trotto is a profitable SaaS business with six-figure revenue. The company charges $3 per user and targets large enterprises, including Fortune 500 companies. While the product has strong retention and adoption rates, Trotto is focused on expanding its reach beyond tech companies to industries like automotive, healthcare, and government. The company is also working to develop a repeatable marketing funnel to drive consistent growth.

How did Andy Kim become a co-founder of Trotto?

Andy Kim became a co-founder of Trotto by purchasing a majority stake in the business from its original founder, John, through the brokerage Quiet Light. John had built Trotto as a sustainable side project but lacked the time to focus on sales and marketing. Andy's capital commitment and focus on growth aligned with John's vision, and the two have built a strong partnership to scale the business.

What is the hardest part of running Trotto according to Andy Kim?

The hardest part of running Trotto is the uncertainty of not knowing whether the efforts being put into the business will yield the desired results. This is especially challenging in marketing, where significant resources can be spent without guaranteed outcomes. Andy also highlights the difficulty of transitioning from a small, unstructured company to one with established processes and growth strategies.

Shownotes Transcript

In episode 739, Rob Walling interviews Andy Kim, co-founder of Trotto, about his unique journey into SaaS. Andy shares how “go links” work, and why they are so valuable for internal, enterprise use despite their relative obscurity. They also explore the marketing hurdles and customer adoption challenges in a business like Trotto.

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**Topics we cover: **

  • 3:13 – Go links, URL shorteners for enterprise

  • 6:14 – History of the problem and core users

  • 9:44 – Customer education and growth opportunities

  • 15:37 – Finding the repeatable marketing funnel

  • 21:07 – Buying into a co-founder role at Trotto

  • 24:42 – What’s the hardest part of running Trotto?

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