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Canadians Grapple with the Wide Impacts of U.S. Tariffs

2025/4/23
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Greg Dixon: 美国关税对加拿大产生了广泛的影响,从政治和国家认同到经济,甚至影响到小型企业。全球各国都在消化美国关税对它们意味着什么,以及它们与美国的关系如何变化。这对美国的邻国尤其如此。在加拿大,关税的影响范围从国家的政治和国家认同到经济,甚至影响到最小的企业。 Marty Atwood: 美国对龙虾征收关税会严重损害加拿大龙虾产业和当地经济。目前,龙虾产业支撑着这个社区的一切。如果你取消价格,你就取消了龙虾,你就取消了整个经济。这将是毁灭性的。 Russell Atwood: 他担心特朗普反复无常,可能会再次对龙虾征收关税。加拿大的龙虾产业已经面临着中国25%的关税,这是对渥太华对中国电动汽车征收关税的报复。美国的关税将迫使加拿大的龙虾公司彻底改变其业务。 Sean Sears: 如果美国再次征收关税,加拿大采取报复措施,他的公司将不得不寻找新的客户,例如亚洲、中东和沙特阿拉伯等地区,并拓展国内市场。他将不得不寻找新的客户。亚洲的不同地区、中东、沙特阿拉伯,并努力拓展国内市场。 Andy Fillmore: 美国关税对哈利法克斯的经济造成了直接的冲击,导致企业失去信心,合同取消。仅仅是这种可能性,就改变了商业动态。人们失去了信心。合同消失了。 Andy Fillmore: 美国关税以及特朗普政府的其他行为(如威胁将加拿大变成美国的第51个州)引发了加拿大人对美国的愤怒和不满。这似乎像是朋友和家人给了我们当头一棒,完全出乎意料,非常震惊,令人瞠目结舌。但这不仅仅是关税。特朗普威胁要将加拿大变成美国的第51个州,并取笑当时的加拿大总理贾斯汀·特鲁多。 Maggie Simpson: 她参加集会是为了表达对加拿大主权的支持。只是想表达对加拿大主权和我们所信仰的事物的团结。 Robert Hewish: 加拿大对美国的依赖使其在安全方面变得脆弱,尤其是在北极地区面临俄罗斯的侵略。这不仅仅是唐纳德·特朗普在说,哦,那条边界应该重新划定。这也认识到我们在北极地区很容易受到俄罗斯侵略的影响。所以我们肯定需要在这方面做一些工作。 Marty Atwood: 他会采取顺其自然的态度面对特朗普的关税政策。在这个地区,我们很善良,顺其自然……我们到了桥上再过桥。

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Lobster fishermen in Clarks Harbour, Nova Scotia, are directly impacted by US tariffs on Canadian lobsters. The tariffs create economic uncertainty and force businesses to seek new markets. The situation highlights the interconnectedness of the industry and the ripple effects of trade policies.
  • US tariffs of 25% on Canadian lobsters
  • Lobster industry is the economic driver of Clarks Harbour
  • Uncertainty forces businesses to explore new markets in Asia, the Middle East, and Saudi Arabia

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It's Monday, April 23rd. I'm Greg Dixon. Countries around the world are digesting what U.S. tariffs mean for them and how their relationship with the U.S. is changing. This is especially true for America's neighbors. In Canada, the tariffs have impacted everything from the country's politics to its identity and, of course, the economy, right down to the smallest businesses.

Jackie Northam takes us to the eastern Canadian province of Nova Scotia to see how all this is playing out against the backdrop of a competitive federal election. When the weather turns nasty, lobster fishermen here in Clarks Harbour off the southwestern tip of Nova Scotia gather at what they call the barn to chat over coffee and play cards. There's no use going out in weather like this. Too rough. Seas is too big.

When the weight gets high, lobsters will not move. You just waste the time. The barn belongs to Marty Atwood. He's been a lobster fisherman for more than three decades. He spends slow days like this building new lobster traps. When I'm not fishing, I'm in here building stuff to go fishing. Atwood grew up in Clarks Harbour. This town of about 800 people would seem to be far removed from the turmoil of President Trump's tariffs.

But lobsters were among the goods to be hit with 25% tax when Trump announced his first round of tariffs on Canada in February.

Atwood said it was a huge concern. Right now, the lobster industry drives everything in this community. If you take the prices away, you take the lobsters away, you take the whole economy away. It would be crippling. Trump later reversed the decision, excluding any products like lobsters that fall under an existing free trade agreement. But he has kept levies on things like aluminum, steel and energy.

Atwood's father Russell fears lobsters could get hit again because he says Trump is erratic. Canada's lobster industry was already facing 25% tariffs by China in retaliation for Ottawa placing levies on Chinese electric vehicles.

A U.S. tariff would force Canadian lobster companies to dramatically change their business. This is where we store the lobsters. Sean Sears, the owner of W. Sears Seafoods, reaches into a large tank of bubbling cold water and pulls out a glistening lobster, its claws held tight with a thick rubber band. Oh, that one's like a...

Two and a half pounder, so not a real big one. The smaller lobsters are actually better eating. At high season, Sears tanks hold about 250,000 pounds of fresh lobster. He ships them to companies in the U.S. It's a highly integrated industry and both sides would have to pay taxes if Trump reimposes tariffs and Canada retaliates.

Sears said he would have to look for new customers. Different parts of Asia, the Middle East, Saudi Arabia and just try to expand the domestic market. The uncertainty and worry here in Clarks Harbour is a microcosm of how tariffs are playing out across the rest of Canada. 160 miles further east along the coast in Nova Scotia's capital Halifax

Trump's tariffs were met with disbelief, anger and resentment. One firm in particular, over a weekend, believed they lost around $25 million worth of business and were facing layoffs of about 170 people. Mayor Andy Fillmore says the economic punch was

was immediate. Just from the whisper of this possibility, it changed the business dynamics. People lost confidence. Contracts went away. Fillmore says many people in Nova Scotia have close relations with the U.S., and that's what hurt. This seemed like friends and family giving us a swat on the nose, completely unexpected and quite shock, eye-wateringly shocking. But it's more than just the tariffs. There was Trump's threat to turn Canada into the 51st state and making fun of then Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Out of that sprang a nationwide movement to avoid buying American products. Canadians are cancelling trips south of the border and there's a resurgence of national pride in Canada. We are a good neighbour who will still be there for our big brother.

But we don't need you anymore, America. A steady rain outside of Halifax didn't deter people at a recent elbows-up rally. That's a hockey term, now a popular catchphrase meaning ready to fight.

On stage, comedian Shawn Majumder, who recently moved back to Canada after 20 years in Los Angeles, didn't hold back. Those who braved the rain came out to make a point, like Maggie Simpson. Like many people here, just feeling of wanting to stand in solidarity.

for Canada's sovereignty and the things that we believe in. But with an increasing independence comes a recognition that Canada has leaned too heavily on the U.S. for its security. We've been very fortunate to be one of the most geographically secure countries in the world. And now we find ourselves as being the most geographically vulnerable. Robert Hewish is a professor of social sciences at Dalhousie University in Halifax. It's not just Donald Trump is saying, oh, that border should be redrawn.

It's also recognizing we are quite vulnerable in the Arctic to Russian aggression. So we do have work to do there for sure. Back at the barn in Clarks Harbour, fisherman Marty Atwood is feeling philosophical about Trump's tariffs as he repairs his lobster pots. We're kind in this area, take things as they come, so...

We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. As will Canada's next prime minister. The federal election is on Monday, and whoever wins will have to wrangle Trump and his unpredictable tariff policy. Jackie Northam, NPR News, Clarks Harbour, Nova Scotia. That's the state of the world from NPR. Thanks for listening.

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