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Reckoning with the Past in Colombia

2025/5/27
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Mario:作为前中校,我承认在2000年代初,我所在的军队基地面临着来自上级要求增加杀敌人数的巨大压力。为了避免职业生涯受阻,我们不得不虚报战果,导致士兵们滥杀无辜,将农民、临时工和失业青少年杀害后谎报为战斗死亡。我承认,我指挥下的部队对63起此类杀戮事件负责,这完全失控了,这些是不应该发生的暴行。现在,我希望通过帮助挖掘受害者遗骸来赎罪,希望这种事情永远不要再发生,因为它造成的痛苦是巨大的。 Juanita Gobertus:在哥伦比亚武装冲突期间,最残暴的罪行之一就是士兵处决平民,这一行为令人发指。 Alejandro Ramel:根据2016年和平协议,设立了战争罪行法庭。前士兵可以通过讲述非法处决的真相、向死者亲属道歉以及提供他们可能被埋葬的地方的信息来避免入狱。通过参与挖掘工作,他们可以更清楚地看到自己造成的损害,这在哥伦比亚是第一次,罪犯在墓地里寻找受害者。 Diego Sevilla:找到并确认死者身份非常困难,许多人只是被倾倒在匆忙挖掘的乱葬坑中。例如,我们本以为埋葬着六个人的墓地,实际上发现了12个头骨,这意味着至少有12个人埋在那里。 Yolanda Rocha:我的15岁弟弟被军队处决,然后打扮成游击队员,他可能就埋在这个墓地里。我和一些士兵交谈过,他们对杀死这么多无辜者,比如我的弟弟,表示深深的遗憾,这非常困难,你想要真相,但就像揭开旧伤疤。

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This chapter sets the stage by discussing the decades-long guerrilla war in Colombia, highlighting the staggering number of civilian deaths and introducing the Truth Commission's findings. It then transitions to the efforts of former soldiers to atone for their past atrocities.
  • Decades-long guerrilla war in Colombia
  • Hundreds of thousands of deaths, 80% civilians
  • Truth Commission's findings
  • Former soldiers making amends

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This message comes from NPR sponsor Rosetta Stone, an expert in language learning for 30 years. Right now, NPR listeners can get Rosetta Stone's lifetime membership to 25 different languages for 50% off. Learn more at rosettastone.com slash NPR. Today on State of the World, a reckoning with the past in Colombia. ♪

You're listening to State of the World from NPR. We bring you the day's most vital international stories up close where they're happening. I'm Greg Dixon. For decades, Colombians suffered through a violent guerrilla war that killed hundreds of thousands. The country's Truth Commission found that approximately 80% of those deaths were civilians.

Now, some former army soldiers that are accused of taking part in atrocities are trying to make amends. They're helping to locate and dig up the remains of innocent civilians executed by the Colombian military. John Otis takes us to a Colombian city where they're searching for some of these victims.

In this cemetery in the Colombian city of Neiva, workers are excavating a grave thought to hold the remains of six people. The diggers include forensic experts as well as three former soldiers. Hello.

One of them is Mario, a former lieutenant colonel who asked to be identified only by his first name for fear of reprisals. Mario was deputy commander of a nearby army base in the early 2000s when the guerrilla war was raging.

Back then, Mario tells me, he and other officers came under fierce pressure from the top brass to run up the body count. Failure could derail their careers, while reporting more rebels killed in combat could mean promotions. But the policy led to massive abuses, as soldiers rounded up farmers, day laborers, and unemployed teenagers, killed them, and reported them as combat deaths.

Mario says that troops under his command were responsible for 63 such homicides. It got totally out of control, Mario admits. These were atrocities that never should have happened. Government investigators determined that during the war, soldiers executed more than 6,400 civilians and presented them as combat kills.

Juanita Gobertus heads the America's Division of Human Rights Watch. It was certainly one of the most, if not the most atrocious crime committed during the armed conflict in Colombia. Now, however, Mario and other former soldiers are trying to atone for their crimes in exchange for leniency from a special court.

Colombia's War Crimes Tribunal, which is also investigating atrocities by the guerrillas, was set up under a 2016 peace treaty that ended much of the fighting. Tribunal President Alejandro Ramel tells NPR that ex-soldiers can avoid prison by telling the truth about the illegal executions, apologizing to relatives of the dead, and providing information on where they might be buried.

He says the former soldiers are also getting a stark look at the damage they've done by taking part in the exhumations. I think the message is very important because it's the first time in Colombia that the criminals are looking for the victims in the cemeteries.

Finding and identifying the dead is extremely difficult. Many were simply dumped in hastily dug mass graves, says Diego Sevilla, who heads the government forensic team in Neiva. An example of the chaos is the gravesite that was thought to hold the remains of six people.

However, Sevilla's team has found 12 skulls, meaning that at least 12 people are buried there. All along, relatives of the victims have been closely monitoring the exhumations. Among them is Yolanda Rocha. He was...

She says her 15-year-old brother was executed by troops, then dressed up as a gorilla, and that he might be buried here in the cemetery. She's talked to some of the soldiers who expressed deep regret for killing so many innocents, like her brother. It was very difficult, Rocha says. You want the truth, but it's like opening up an old wound.

Similar exhumations, with help from ex-soldiers, will soon start in other Colombian cemeteries. But after 10 days in Neiva, the forensic team here is wrapping up its work.

Now they're bagging up remains and preparing them for storage so they can eventually be delivered to relatives of the deceased. Then the team holds a ceremony to honor the dead. Some team members recite poetry. Others solemnly place flowers atop the bags of remains. Finally, Mario, the former army officer whose men killed 63 civilians, steps forward.

Let's hope this never happens again, he says, because the pain this has caused is immense. For NPR News, I'm John Otis in Neiva, Colombia. That's the state of the world from NPR. Thanks for listening.

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