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Democracy in the age of disinformation, with Audrey Tang

2025/4/17
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Audrey Tang: 我认为多元性是民主的基石,它不是一个需要权衡的因素,而是一种需要被鼓励和引导的能量。民主制度应该像半导体芯片设计一样,不断更新迭代,利用数字工具,让所有人的声音都能被听到。台湾在打击虚假信息方面,采取了不依赖于自上而下的审查制度,而是鼓励公开辩论和质疑,通过让信息在公众视野中得到充分的讨论和检验,来降低其负面影响。我们衡量成功的标准不是删除信息,而是确保人们通过参与讨论而对信息免疫。在新冠疫情期间,我们通过一个可爱的柴犬表情包,巧妙地引导了关于口罩使用的公共讨论,化解了社会分歧。我们提倡‘媒体素养’升级为‘媒体能力’,鼓励年轻人参与事实调查和新闻报道,培养他们的批判性思维能力。我们相信,通过公民的共同努力,客观事实终将胜出。我们不依赖于对信息的审查,而是通过改变社交媒体的激励机制,鼓励建设性的公民参与和跨社区对话,让积极的公民行为得到回报。我们开发了Polis等平台,通过显示信息的来源和不同社群对其的评价,来增加信息的透明度,并奖励那些能够弥合社会分歧的内容。我们相信,通过这种方式,可以将社会冲突转化为创造性能量。台湾的经验表明,这种方法能够有效地减少社会两极分化,提高公民参与度。我们致力于对抗威权主义,但同时避免成为威权主义者,通过维护言论自由,并建设亲社会的媒体生态系统,来实现这一目标。我们与各方人士进行对话,包括那些持有不同观点的人,例如Laura Loomer,以寻求共同点,促进理解。我们相信,只有信任人民,才能建立值得信赖的治理体系。我们通过公民大会等方式,让普通民众参与到政策制定中,并取得了显著成效,例如在打击网络诈骗广告方面。我们也积极进行‘预先驳斥’,通过提前揭露潜在的谎言或误导性信息,来降低其影响力。道家思想,特别是阴阳的概念,影响了我的思维方式,让我在面对冲突时寻求调和之道,并相信温和的方法比蛮力更有效。 David Rowe: 作为主持人,我主要负责引导话题,提出问题,并对Audrey Tang的观点进行总结和补充。 Georgia Opie: 作为主持人,我主要负责引导话题,提出问题,并对Audrey Tang的观点进行总结和补充。

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Audrey Tang is the unflappable Jedi knight of technology and democracy, who can connect with different political perspectives. Audrey was the inaugural digital minister of Taiwan and is now ambassador-at-large for cyber affairs. She came to prominence first as an open source programmer and hacker, before becoming involved in Taiwan’s successful Sunflower Movement demonstrations of 2014, and then joining the government in 2016 at age 35, making her the youngest minister ever in Taiwan’s cabinet and the world’s first non-binary cabinet minister. She holds the world’s attention on issues like countering disinformation and using technology to enhance democracy including by reducing political polarisation.Audrey talks about Taiwan’s approach to combatting disinformation without top down moderation, countering authoritarianism without becoming authoritarian yourself, the importance of facts and truth, free speech, new models of social media that reduce polarisation, why she went on Laura Loomer’s podcast, and the way authoritarian China has prompted Taiwan’s democratic approach to technology and online information.