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In the world of MUFC, we've got a full house, but at the minute, there's only Andy and Carl here because Laurie has touched down in Kuala Lumpur and immediately gone to try and see the Manchester United team coach arrive in the city for the post-season tour. He should be on the tail end of this podcast if everything goes to plan, talking about his season review piece, which we'll do a lot more on on the next podcast, which is going to be a look back at

This is next week on Manchester United's

But we need to talk about the dust settling after the Europa League final, the difficulty fans had getting home or even getting to the airport. Need to talk about Manchester United winning a comfortable home game without conceding and scoring goals and enjoying football again, which I wasn't sure was possible, but it was. And a lot more aside on the manager's future, on the squad's future. My goodness, I don't know how we're going to pack it all in, but we'll have a go.

And I can only start by saying good afternoon, Andy and Carl. There's only one of us at home. You can tell it's the end of the season already, Carl, can't you? Yeah, yeah. I'm currently on holiday somewhere in continental Europe. Andy's in...

Sonny Barcelona and you are in a cabin? Caravan. Obviously, where else would you be podcasting from in half term? Can we talk about the Europa League final again? I don't want to bring the mood down instantly because we were in a pretty bad way, weren't we, on Wednesday night in that stadium recording the podcast. It's had a lovely reaction. I'm glad that we weren't the only ones feeling the way that we did.

That was the ultimate therapy pod, really, wasn't it? Holding hands together. We basically should have been giving each other a hug.

rather than holding a microphone after that game. But we're a week on nearly. How are you feeling? I want to change what we said on that podcast for anything. That's how we felt. And I wrote a piece for The Athletic the day after saying it's the lowest I felt as a Manchester United fan. And it was, and it probably is. I think as a football fan, you tend to pick yourself up and you try and look for positives. And I think we will do that. And

One of them may be the way Manchester United played against Aston Villa, but I maintain that was a huge loss in that Europa League final and massively frustrating at the end of a season which could be described as the same. Manchester United finished 15th.

We documented it twice a week on this podcast. Sometimes three times a week. Painful. We tried to bring some humour to it. It was difficult. It was a huge game and Manchester United lost it. Yeah, we had hundreds of messages, emails, a lot of people feeling very similar to us. Thank you for everyone for getting in touch.

Just as an example, really, to sum it up, this was Nigel's email. I write this as a 76-year-old supporter who has watched every United side from my first game in August 1956. I haven't felt this disgruntled with a United team ever. We weren't this poor when we got relegated. Yeah. Carl, I mean, I've just spoke to Andy there about dust settling on the result. Yeah.

Do you feel any different? No, there's not a leaf blower distracting me this time when you talk to me. Hallelujah. There's still just a numbing pain to that result. I tried my best to re-watch it on my scale. How have you done that? I couldn't finish it. Got about half hour in and I went, this is too painful. It's just, I can't shake the feeling that they just didn't turn up. It feels like they didn't turn up for me. It felt like in a season where...

there was talk and talk and talk about how so much was being put into this fixture in Bilbao and you hear the stories about all the travel fans did the planes trains and automobiles fans who'd gone from Bristol to to Madrid to Bristol to Amsterdam to Madrid then to get to San Sebastian then to get to Bilbao the fan who went through Marrakesh the fan who took who drove like four hours the fans that stayed in Santander and bust over all that emotional energy into it and it just

He is out in such a flat performance. So the Europa League final in Gdansk, there's a horrible feeling partway through the penalty shootout where you're going, De Gea's not saving any of these. This is going to go on until one of their players make a flub or one of our players make a flub. And then there's a bit where Mickey van der Ven clears the ball off the line from Hoyland's header and I just felt United aren't going to score. There's moments in big games, in cup finals especially, where you go, the football gods, the narrative is

have it saying it's the other team's moment. And I felt that. It's not our time. It's not our time and we're not even...

going down with a proper scrap, we're not properly fighting and that hurt. That really hurt. And even watching, we'll get to the Aston Villa game in a bit, but watching the Villa performance and the Villa highlights, that hurt even more because like, oh, now you're on a scrap. Yeah, I think a lot of people will feel similar. The worst part of it, Andy, for a lot of people as well was after the game trying to get home because...

I mean, I witnessed it myself, trying to get back from Bilbao to the airport, walking back to the hotel the early hours of the morning. Literally hundreds, if not thousands of fans wandering the streets, nowhere to go. Couldn't get a taxi, couldn't get a bus, couldn't get a train, couldn't get back to the airport for the flights, couldn't even get back to hotels that they'd paid a fortune to stay at even. It was a bit of a shambles, to be honest, wasn't it? So many stories.

It was actually pretty normal to hear these stories. That's how sad it was. And I could tell you 10 off the top of my head now. Some of my best friends who travelled with me ended up

trying to distract a guard on the door of a hotel to lie down in reception. I took a train out of Bilbao to Barcelona the day after the game. That's a seven-hour train that was delayed by two and a half hours, which was an absolute buzz. It just stood there, stuck in the middle. United and Tottenham fans were on it, 70% United fans.

And almost everyone had the story how they couldn't get back to the hotel or Airbnb that they paid for. They thought that they were well-organized. And that might have been 5, 10, 15, 20 kilometers outside of Bilbao. They couldn't get back there. There were no taxis. Uber wasn't working for people.

And the fact that it rained made it worse because the floor was wet. People were worried it was going to rain again. It wasn't cold. I've seen pictures of the coach station in Bilbao, the train station in Bilbao. Unbelievable. It's just a mess. Yeah. I really like Bilbao as a city. Yeah.

The venue was fine. The location of it in the middle of the city was good. The hospitality was good. It was everything that we could hope for. It was a good European trip. Pre-game, unquestionably. But if people can't get back... Post-game, no. So many people waited for the first train or bus out of Bilbao. And if you've got a massive shortage of accommodation, then look at a plan B.

advertise campsites well, offer temporary accommodation. It's a failure when thousands of people, and it was thousands, this wasn't 30 people missing a bus. No, no, no, no. Couldn't get back to where they were supposed to stay. It's not a big enough city to cope with the demand of all the people who wanted to stay with it. It was a struggle getting a drink as far as I could see. I think bars just closed down.

I think people just hope that there would be some sort of solution after the game and something would happen. The Metro would start working. But it just didn't. And they were just stuck on the streets. We saw the queues. We left the ground together, didn't we? I saw a huge queue for taxis. Now, if that queue is moving, you're fine. There's no taxis. But if a city of half a million has only got two taxi drivers and one of them logs off for an hour...

to go for a sick in the middle of the night, then you're struggling, aren't you? Yeah, completely. I mean, the worst thing, Carl, is that people spent an absolute fortune to get there, a fortune on accommodation, and couldn't even get to that accommodation. The couple who sat next to me on the plane on the way home the following day to Manchester, 900 quid on an Airbnb,

A few kilometres outside Bilbao, never even went to it. Didn't get there before the game, didn't get there after the game. Wow. I don't know, is it not UEFA as well really? Should they not be ensuring that the local authorities are looking after supporters properly? This is why UEFA very often brings Champions League finals, European Championship finals to Wembley.

this is why they like hosting tournaments in London because of the airport transport links, the hotels and whatnot. I think this is an imperfect storm in that, I mean, up until very recently, the city of Bilbao, the policemen of Bilbao, the organizers, the bar owners were half expecting Athletic Bilbao to be in the Europa League final. And then Bruno Fernandes and Casemiro had other ideas. So you go from having a home

a home Europa League final against another team to having two Premier League teams that

And Premier League teams also bring an international level of interest and discourse. So you're getting reporters and fans that aren't necessarily a fan of either team, but are Portuguese because they're there for Amaranth or the Australian perspective because they're there for Ansporza Coghlan. So whoever was in Bilbao and had the thought process of closing down the metro station directly to the stadium by opening the two up,

Unbelievable. Okay, I can see why you did that. Whoever decided it'd be useful to keep the Metro going on until three o'clock in the morning rather than closing at midnight, that got a little bit more movement. But also, there wasn't enough cab drivers. Andy did a really good video with United We Stand introducing United fans to Bilbao. And right at the start, you outlined that it's the third biggest city in that sort of area. And I think it was just scale.

the people of Bilbao and the organisers of Bilbao didn't quite understand the scale of having two Premier League clubs coming and 80,000 football fans coming and also unfortunately and I'm just as guilty of this as so many other people sometimes you get a little bit too oh okay well this will work a little bit like how things work in Manchester or how things work in London and unfortunately you do need your plan B as to what happens when Uber doesn't work what happens when well sleep in the bus station

yeah on the floor credit to everyone who got there and I'm really sorry that unfortunately you couldn't be rewarded for your hard work with a good performance and

It took me 14 hours to get back from Bilbao to Manchester. That's a hard 14 hours by plane, trains and automobiles, especially when you're surrounded by Tottenham Hotspur fans with big, big smiles. This was awarded, the seeds of this go back to 2020 and Bilbao being a host city for Euro 2020, which never happened because of COVID. I had flights and accommodation, books to cover games in Bilbao for that tournament in 2020 and 2021. There was so much uncertainty.

so the cameras kicked down a little bit okay you will host a European final I like the fact that Bilbao and cities of equivalent size host European finals you've simply got no way of knowing who's going to be in the final and sometimes the venues are too big I remember two Portuguese teams playing in the Aviva in Dublin

a few years ago and there's empty seats everywhere so there's not really way around that other than giving every final to Madrid, Paris, London, Berlin, Munich and I don't like that I think Bilbao was a success apart from the accommodation and it was a major failure and getting to that accommodation I think United and Spurs fans should be praised for their behaviour and

We saw isolated incidents on social media because that's what them evil algorithms want. They want pictures, they want images of people fighting with each other. So you've got weirdos who are never actually there in real life just posting this stuff for interactions.

But United and Spurs fans were like oil and water. I'm not saying everyone was going up to each other going, you know, I used to love Glenn Oddle. But there was a respect there and there was generally good behaviour there. So a lot of positives came out of it. Stadium fantastic, pitch fantastic. You know, if we've got a checklist with 12 points on it, it's passing on 10 of them.

But logistics after the game and lack of accommodation was a massive issue. And it was a big problem. I spoke to so many people and I know we all did. Well, yeah, we did. And not many people had any positive things to say, to be honest, in terms of their experience getting back. So, you know, I hope everyone did get back safely. I'm sorry for the hassle that people...

had to go through. I mean, we had so many messages about people's issues and we appreciate every single one of you getting in touch. Some of the emails were extremely long, but we read them all. It took quite some time after the game the other night, to be honest, to go through them. But yeah, they're in there and I appreciate every single one of you for getting in touch. There's quite a lot of people struggling, to be honest, so maybe the best thing to do is give

So when you're close to a call, tell them how you're feeling, talk it through and some of some energy maybe to be positive about the future. Let's talk about the future a little bit, Andy, if we can, because even though we're only sort of five, six days on from that game, quite a lot has happened, like I said at the top already.

And it involves Ruben Amarin and his future, really. Laurie's written a piece on The Athletic. It's brilliant. It's extremely detailed. We'll talk about it a bit more later on in this podcast with him, hopefully. Also on the next podcast as well when we take a look back at the season as a whole. But a couple of meetings seem pretty significant. So first of all, he went to an executive meeting in Monaco on Friday. This is Amarin. And then he had a meeting with the players on Saturday in which he told them, presumably finding out

that he's going to stay in Monaco, that he is going to be here next season and confirm that and put to bed any of the rumours and suggestions about whether he'd quit, what exactly he meant with his post-match comments about walking away without compensation, etc., etc.,

So, yeah, it feels like there's a line trying to be drawn here. Am I right? Yeah, and he echoed that in his speech. This season was now last season. That was history. We're now looking towards the future. I think he's on much more solid ground than Eric Ten Hag was a year ago. I think the owners, the decision makers, the powers that be are going to back him.

to the best of their abilities, partly because they've appointed him as well and they would look stupid if they had to get rid of him. So get rid of that uncertainty. Basically say you are the manager, you're going to have power going into next season. And I think most Manchester United fans think that is a positive thing. That then allows him to go back to his players, his

and be completely emboldened by his own position, by the fact that he's going to be able to keep his own coaches. Because last year, even with Eric Ten Hag staying, people like Benny McCarthy lost their jobs, for example. So if you can go...

and be told you will be indulged to exactly how you want to do your job. And then we saw, and read Laurie's piece, it's excellent, but we saw David Ornstein's piece about how he'd made clear to Alejandro Garnaccio you can find yourself another club. That is from a manager who has power. And a lot of football clubs, the manager, sorry, coach, do not have power. It's the president calling the shots, it's someone else calling the shots, the sports director or whoever.

So I'm not going to say it's the last roll of the dice on Amarim because it doesn't feel like that. But this is a manager who's got absolute control over what he does next. The important part of this is it gets the football team winning. Because if you're three months into the next season and it's relegation form, and it has been relegation form since November 2019,

people will turn. And at the moment, he's got the fans on side because they like the honesty. They liked it with Ralph Rangnick. It chimes with how they feel and that's all well and good. And he's an excellent communicator. We've said that several times, but he's got to start winning football matches. Yeah. And it's on him, some of this as well, to be fair, isn't it? It's not like you can absolve yourself completely of the situation when you are the head coach in charge of things. We'll talk more about Garnaccio Carl in a moment because there's a lot to get through on that particular topic. But Garnaccio,

Yeah, having these two meetings before the final game, addressing the crowd after the Aston Villa game, all of it feels like an attempt to move on already, which I think everyone's ready for, actually. Yeah. Even though there's still a bit of anger about, well, a lot of anger, actually. Let's not play it down. No, let's not play it down. There's a lot of anger. There's a lot of ill feeling. There's a lot of disappointment. There's a lot of...

I saw a lot of messages from usual Talk With The Devils listeners who said they didn't have the energy to listen to our post-final episode. We didn't have the energy to record it. We had to find it. Do you know what I mean? We've got to do this together. If you've returned to this episode, hello again. Public service broadcasting, that was. I think Andy's right in that Amrin's situation is different from Ten Hag's situation last year. Ten Hag did win the silverware, but there was still this confusion over what was going to happen next. And it feels as if INEOS...

All the decision makers have gone, let's remove that cloud, let's remove that fog of war as soon as possible. Let's make a decision and we'll deal with whether or not it's a right or wrong decision later on. It's a bit like you get lost in a foreign city and you're looking at your map and you go, do I go left or do I go right? And you thought, well, I'll just pick one decision. I'll pick one direction now. And if it turns out being the wrong one, then I can loop back. But as long as I pick one direction right now,

I'm not in this inertia. And I think that's what United are doing at this point. You can tell I'm on holiday. I hope they've got more direction than me trying to find a taxi to the airport on Thursday morning, to be fair. But yeah. I think United just want to make decisions and it's very much, we're making this decision now and we'll deal with

the ramifications and the possibilities at a later date. But as long as everyone knows, this is what we're doing right now. Yeah, as well as on the pitch, Andy, the off-field stuff is simmering again. We're beginning to get more detail on the way people are being moved on behind the scenes. This has been a constant theme, really, of the past 12 months and beyond.

you've reported that Paul Brand the head of performance analysis will leave after 12 years in Laurie's piece there's details about the physios and masseuses who sound like they're going to be impacted by the latest round of redundancies they were told that within 48 hours of the final whistle in Bilbao as well so there's still work being done off the pitch to try and

get things in place, but it's never ending. It feels like so much change, incredible, complete new set. Incredible. I mean, there always has been change. You know, I can remember going in every season and,

And I remember the club photographer one year going, so many things have changed here. Well, they haven't changed as much as they have now. No. Because if you look at the top level of executives, for example, the people on the football side, the thing that hasn't changed as much has been the actual footballers because they're on contracts and you can't just give them redundancies. In the case of Paul Brand, he's very well respected. Yeah.

and he decided to go and he's not the only one there are a number of people for what for for whatever reason have decided that they want to move on from Manchester United and they go with the best wishes of everyone etc etc so this isn't just people being made redundant or being sacked there are people and I know three or four if just like that's me done now you know I want to retire people have got different reasons totally different reasons and you've got to respect those reasons and

Paul Brand, very well respected within the club. You don't survive 10 managers if you're not good at your job. Has he survived 10 managers? Well, if you're including... In 12 years? Your Rangnick, yeah. That's like Chelsea numbers, isn't it? 10 in 12 years. That is Chelsea numbers. I mean, one of them would be Michael Carrick over a few games, but... 10 in 12 years, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So his role would be to lead a manager into a game to say,

this is Tottenham Hotspur, this is how they're going to play, this is what they're going to do. And he would have a team of analysts underneath him briefing the managers and I know that Paul Brown was well respected. He was still quite young, 37,

So he'll move on somewhere else and I wish him all the best. And naturally, I realise that people are going, 12 years? Well, wait a minute, we've not won anything then. And a narrative can develop around that. I'm telling you what I know and I speak to multiple people across football and he's a respected, very well respected at his job.

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in the heart of it all. Go to callohiohome.com. Right, let's talk about Manchester United getting back to winning ways. A home win at Old Trafford. Lots of positivity firing up the Premier League table just in time for it all to stop. Actually quite good that call, wasn't it? To be honest. Villa were desperate for points to get in the Champions League and somehow we've come away with a 2-0 win.

It's the best first half I've seen United play at Old Trafford in quite some time. Bit late now, lads. That's the first victory over a team that will be in the Premier League since January 26th.

Two goals and a clean sheet. Well, what is this? What is this? Heady days. Lads, lads, United hit the 40-point mark. They actually did, didn't they? They finally hit the magical 40-point mark. So does that mean we actually reached a total that wouldn't have relegated us in previous Premier League seasons? Or did we not quite get that? I'm not even sure about that. I think teams have gone down with 40. I think West Ham went down with 42. Yeah. West Ham went down with 42. Yeah, so I think probably we would have still been relegated one season. Goal difference and all that stuff. Yeah.

Look, I can't get too happy and excited. Why not, Kyle? Come on. You can get the negativity buzzer out if you want. What do you need? 2-0 win? Come on.

It was bizarre. Good performance there. It was absolutely bizarre. Unai Emery was, I think I use the word, steaming. His head looked quite, his head was quite warm at the full-time whistle. He's very aggrieved of the fact that Morgan Rodgers' goal was chalked off due to the whistle being blown, so therefore VAR couldn't overturn it. Emery and Aston Villa at this point in time are trying to make an argument that if they had gone a goal up, they would have gone on to win that game.

that's the correct noise and face to pull Ian, which is, well, we will never know. We got back in there the way they were playing. No worries. It's 2-1, not 2-0. They don't know what he's on about. Was the decision that bad? I thought Bayern had three hands on it, let alone two. You can go one of two ways on this, which is, this is a good result and a good performance and a...

light marker as to what Amaran football can be if he gets more complimentary players or you can say this is United finding able to play football because the pressure is off and they had blah blah blah blah blah blah I'm clutching at straws a bit with this next question I think Andy but

How much can we read into it? Is it a positive that they produced that after how low everyone was following Wednesday night? Or is it just a bit like it's all a bit late to feel too much about it? It's better than losing again. One word Carl used is pressure, and it's really important. The pressure's off. You saw them players relax right from the start. Didn't go behind. Dominated both halves. Got in good positions. Dominated possession. Pressed well. A real threat down the sides.

having a laugh. You know, United fans singing Champions League, you're having a laugh at the expense of Aston Villa. Villa had a couple of chances themselves. It was actually a massive game for Aston Villa. We weren't singing that at our own team then. We were definitely singing it at Villa. Can you confirm that? I actually cannot confirm that. So if you look at Manchester United against Aston Villa this season, it's played two, lost none, won one and drawn one. Conceded. So we drew nil-nil away, didn't we, in October? Yeah.

Yeah, I left that one at half-time to climb a mountain, but there is a barrel here and I'm just scraping across the bottom of it, but there were some good performances. I thought Heaven did well, Bruno Fernandes, pretty fitting that he's, in my opinion, was the best player at the end of a season when he's been...

the best player. Ahmad, I said a few weeks ago, I feel like he's becoming a big game player for Manchester United. If the team are, as Eric Ten Hag says, going to right themselves and start winning again, they're going to likely be two of the key players for

Bayern there, he might have had four hands and I'm still not being convinced. I'm sorry. I thought Harry Maguire had a decent enough game. I thought Mason Mount looked pretty sharp as well. All right, Lauren. And Hoyland, you know, he just needs a goal, doesn't he, Hoyland?

He just needs a goal. I don't know. That didn't seem to make much difference either, to be fair. I mean, it's... Yeah. He needs a break. Yeah, and he's going to get one. There is a player in there. We've seen it in flashes. We saw it earlier on in his United career, certainly in the Champions League, less so the Premier League. But yeah, that's a big question mark, isn't it? Something we'll talk more about on the next podcast, what happens to the striker's options. Yeah, Carl, in some ways, actually, the most important thing, I think, which happened yesterday...

was when Ruben Amerin took the mic after the game to address Old Trafford. First of all, I want to apologise for this season. I know you are really disappointed and really disappointed with the team. Second thing, I want to say thank you. We are very grateful for your support during the season.

And I know that was really hard. It was really hard to support us in many games. But now we have to make a choice. Or we stay stuck in the past because this season is in the past. It's over. We fight each other. We stick together and move forward.

Six months ago, in my first three games in charge, with two victories and one draw, I said to you: "The storm is coming." Today, after this disastrous season, I want to tell you: "The good days are coming." If there is one club in the world that proved in the past

that can overcome any situation, any disaster is our club, is Manchester United Football Club. Now I want to say sorry also to my players. Sometimes I was not fair but I try always to be honest with you guys. Thank you very much. See you next season.

So he said he'd apologise. Was that the most important part of what he said, Karl? Or was the good times coming back again? Yes, baby. Was that the bit that you honed in on? You ever heard the quote, the best apologies change behaviour? Win some games, mate. Someone put that in the comments. There you go. There you go.

Well, what else can he say, though? Come on. We've spoken a lot about Amarin's honesty. We've spoken a lot about Amarin's confidence and his qualities as a communicator. Amarin grabbing a microphone and talking is what he's good at and what he's had to be good at because...

by God, the media wants him to talk in front of a microphone a lot this season. That will be less next year with no European football, to be fair. I hope, I pray. A lot less. It was a good speech. He says the good times are coming. We need to see it. And from what I said when we were in Bilbao about how Emery said, I have nothing to show. I need faith. Faith requires you to buy into things even though you don't necessarily see it.

And sometimes requires you to ignore what your own eyes are telling you and to buy in. Andy uses the term moderates and he says there's not necessarily the level of anger and rage and emotion that was necessarily there on the previous United managers. We can talk about he's got to start next season strongly and he can't be relegation for. I do think August and September is Amund just getting fans back on side.

That Bonnie Tyler chant can only do so long to keep him in good faith. You need to start winning games. You need to start showing that this 3-4-3, which is not really with the history of Manchester United, can work. Every conversation, speeches, whatnot, it's all secondary right now to finding, acquiring and developing good football players who are willing to gut it out and turn this club around. So a good speech. Yeah, Amring gave a good speech. He's good at that.

What's next is get me some wins, get me some good players and start coaching your bar off because you need to. I'm going to climb K2 tomorrow in flip-flops and I'm going to do 50 keep-ups at the top of

whilst singing Heaven Knows I'm Miserable now by the Smiths. Will you send us a video? I'll send you a video, no problem. Just words, innit? Doesn't mean it's going to happen. But I did like it. And I think the fans liked it. I think the fans responded to it. They do feel a connection with the coach, which outsiders might find baffling. I use the two Ds when they're describing its defiance and its desperation as well on the part of the fans. And he might actually be right. We've often said...

We need a full cultural reset at Manchester United. And he's making a good job of doing one. Will it go far enough? Is it still a problem? Is the Glazers still being in charge effectively? Are they still the problem? Is he going to be another manager who walks away into the sunset going, that's an incredibly difficult job at a complex club to manage? We don't know, but we're going to find out soon enough.

The bar is low, so it has to improve. If it doesn't, he's going to be losing his job. It's as simple as that.

He does have good ideas. He's going to be able to bring in a couple of his players as well, but there needs to be a significant improvement. I also think we should mention it was Christian Eriksen's last performance in the United shirt. Johnny Evans. Why didn't they give that penalty to Chido Obi? Am I being miserable? That was the first thing I thought. It was given to Eriksen as a goodbye present. You're both talking. It should have been given to Johnny Evans. Oh, yeah, true. Right?

And do you know what he would have done? He would have hit one of them penalties that bounced off one post onto the other in and he would have dived in at a Stretford end and high-fived everybody. Nice penalty, by the way, Christian Eriksen. And he had a lovely shot on goal as well. But that was Johnny's moment. I didn't actually think of Johnny. After watching his penalty in the Community Shield, I probably deleted Johnny Evans and penalties from my mind, to be honest. Hello, Johnny, if you're listening.

thanks for everything yeah I just thought it was an opportunity to get Obi off the mark really a young kid who's helped out in a pretty desperate moment for United and given it his all and it's been pretty tough for him but yeah

Bruno Fernandes should have just took it and got on with it, to be honest, all this bloody sentiment business. You spoke about the reset, Andy. A story that David Ornstein had on The Athletic is that while Ruben Amorim was addressing the players to say that he'll be there next season, he doesn't want Alejandro Garnaccio to be. He's been instructed to find a new club. What do you think, Carl? This one's tough in that Garnaccio is one of the more talented forwards at United, but...

Ameren, for whatever reason, has decided he's not fit for purpose. He's not fit in the team culture. Garnaccio and Garnaccio's family members made it very clear they weren't happy with the amount of game time he had in the Europa League final, considering how much work he had done in the previous rounds. And they don't appear to have been happy with Ameren's defense of Mason Mount's selection in the final as well. So we are once again...

in a position where a manager and an attacking player don't quite see eye to eye. And it looks like the attacking player is going to leave. Won a season, isn't it? Sancho, Rashford, Garnaccio. I mean, we had Ronaldo going back further, if you want to go. Oh, yeah. I remember him. I'm torn on this one because I do not think...

or I do not necessarily trust Manchester United to go out and get a player of superior attacking talent and potential to Garnaccio for whatever fee you can sell Garnaccio for. And I know there's pro-profit and how that looked like on the books, and it seems as if someone else is coming in at the start of this transfer window for a sum that United would like to sell Garnaccio for, but that player is older than Garnaccio and whatnot.

It's really tricky. And Garnaccio is a good player, a decent player. He probably, and I'm saying this as a person who spends too much time on his phone and talks too much on his phone and gets in a lot of trouble for stuff he says on his phone. Garnaccio probably needs to put his phone down for the good of his own career going forward. He's a kid though, isn't he? He is a kid. He's a kid who's had to play far too many games because the adults or the slightly more mature players didn't step up. And then he stepped up. And unfortunately that's caused a...

increased responsibility and I don't want to use the word ego here, but an increased perception of himself as to his importance in the team. He's a kid, but also he's an incredibly important player for United because there are very few other players who are able to do what he can do. That is me saying a lot about his talent. That's also me saying a lot more about the other continued failings of other people.

not just on the pitch but off it as well and it just created this sorry situation where he doesn't see eye to eye with his manager and therefore he's been told to leave I'm sure Garnaccio will be a success somewhere else as that seems to be the current trend with a lot of players when they leave Manchester United but it's sad because I mean we've had Nick Cox here talking about what it was like bringing Garnaccio over we've had other people talk about Garnaccio you've spoken very eloquently about how hard he works at Carrington as well this is

I always had steeled myself and got myself ready for the day that Garnaccio would go on a training ban because he wanted to force the Red Bull to go to Real Madrid and be Cristiano Ronaldo Mark II. I knew that might one day happen. I thought Garnaccio would be here until at least he was 25. Not.

this early. Yeah, Andy, I'll let you come in in a moment. I just want to read these emails out. So, Sonny, I feel dispirited, shocked, concerned with the Garnaccio news. I completely understand the reasons that people would want him gone. However, I can't help but feel that United have also let him down. I'm glad every mistake I made as a 20-year-old wasn't critiqued by social media. Sadly, one last Viva Garnaccio at the end of the Villa game. Jordan, Garnaccio has the best statistics for a player under 20 years old, other than Lamine Yamal.

Yeah.

Madrid only want one Man United player this summer and that's Xavi Alonso who's going to go for Johnny Evans. He wants him to hold the midfield for Madrid as they try and return to greatness next year. You've heard it here first. I think Garnaccio would have left in January if the money would have been right for him. I think he would have left Manchester United and I've been told that by two sources who I absolutely trust. I think when you have family members who start critiquing

their sibling or their son or daughter's boss, you are heading for trouble. And these weren't isolated incidents. These were constants. And yeah, they're kids, okay? But you can have a word with kids. You know, when I was 18, I knew what was right was right and wrong. I'm not saying I didn't make mistakes, but it just led to a series of problems. But as Carl says...

The word conflicted, I think, is the right one. He is an absolute success of Manchester United recruitment. He cost €150,000, played a really good number of games. He's a player who excites me when I'm watching him. He scored some amazing goals. The best one was probably that one at Goodison Park. I think up until a year ago, this is someone...

He was working his way towards Real Madrid. Now, it's not easy being a Manchester United player in a season like this, but remember in November when he had a bit of a sulk because he didn't feel the fans were with him? I had a good chat with him after...

I remember it being Ruud van Nistelrooy's last game and I had a good chat with him. Probably against Leicester. They all were, weren't they? Yeah, they were. I'm not convinced that he will fit into the style of play that Ruben Amarin wants and because he's seen as a homegrown product, Manchester United can make a lot of money from him. I'm not totally easy about that. I don't know whether it's the right call. I don't know now whether he's going to be a top, top class player or not.

But the manager of Manchester United, who is the one paid to make such decisions, he has decided. And it's him. It's not the club. You know, Scott McTominay, Eric Ten Hag didn't want him to go, for example. Ruben Amarin has decided that Garnaccio can find another club. And there will be suitors for him because he's a very talented player. Wish him well, but it's sad, isn't it? Sad that it's another one out the door with a load of what-ifs.

But I'd say to anyone coming in, get control of your family members. Do not let them out on social media because it is only, only going to end in tears. Get a burner account. Send it to the group chat instead. I'm talking from personal experience here. Yeah. People like the attention though, don't they? That seems to be, you know, a big issue. And speaking of...

As soon as you went for that segue, I knew where that was headed. What? What do you mean? I don't know what you mean. I embrace it, Ian. You're absolutely right. I'm a narcissist. What can I say? You said it. I wasn't going to go that far. But Laurie Whitwell is here, as you may have guessed from hearing his dulcet tones from all the way in KL, Kuala Lumpur, if you're not down on your Singapore slang. Is it Singapore? It's in that region. It's not Singapore, though. Singapore.

Singapore's its own country. Yeah, I might say that again so I don't sound ignorant. No, no, keep it in. Keep it in. It's good.

Alright, I've got to keep it in now. How are you doing? You okay? You've just been watching Manchester United arrive shortly after you arrived. Big, big exclusive news guys. Manchester United players have arrived at their hotel in Kuala Lumpur. Sorry I wasn't on for the start of this podcast but obviously I had to get down there, not pitch side, tarmac side for the arrival and obviously I've flown 12 hours across the world, not really slept overnight and I

I don't have time to get my accreditation. So that meant that I wasn't allowed past the velvet rope to get the perfect vantage point as a colleague from the Times, Paul Hurst was, because he arrived in ample time. So anyway, I managed to kind of sneak my way through and eventually got quite close. It was a bit chaotic. You had quite a lot of fans there. One chap, the United fan,

United shirt with his son on his shoulders and I think he wanted a bit more interaction from the players but I guess they've been on a long flight and they just want to get in the building and get some kit probably We'll talk more about your piece which is on the Athletic Lorry it's an extremely revealing read if anyone hasn't read it they should go and have a look but we'll talk more about that in the final part of this podcast but just before we get there can we talk about Garnaccio I've had Carl and Andy's take on this I've read out some of the responses from our listeners as well

Is it just about the social media stuff, just about that interview after the final, or is it much more why Ruben Amarin has decided that time is up for Garnaccio at Old Trafford? It's broader than that, and obviously it traces back to the derby when he dropped him alongside Rashford. Now, that was...

different situation between the two players and obviously Rashford was jettisoned pretty quickly after that you know never featured again whereas Garnaccio started I think 18 games in a row in the second half of this season under Amorim and it felt like okay he's listened to what Amorim wants in training the kind of

style he wants on the pitch and he's earned his place. Maybe in hindsight, it was because there wasn't anybody else available. You know, Ahmad was injured for a long time. You had Xerxe injured as well. So perhaps he was getting those minutes because of the situation. But it did feel like there was more harmony or at least more understanding between them. I certainly know that this period, people at United wanted to see end product from Garnaccio. And I know we've touched on the stats and actually being pretty good for his age, but

but I think they perhaps even wanted more. The number of chances that he does have, the kind of opportunities he gets in the final third to make that decision, get the right one. Perhaps they weren't quite satisfied with that. Ultimately, it comes down to playing style. I was told by somebody a few weeks ago, actually, that Garnaccio's natural abilities are in transition, right? They are...

what you probably customarily class as Manchester United winger, out wide, attacking, going again and again. If you get the ball taken off you, no matter, try it again. Amarin wants a, I think, more considered approach. He's inside more, obviously, in these number 10 positions. And so that always was going to be a sort of dilemma to solve, really. And then, yeah, I think the social media posts, ultimately, Amarin isn't, we've seen, going to tolerate that.

any kind of insubordination. You know, I think Garnaccio was possibly entitled to his view, but you shouldn't say it after a final like that. I know when we recorded the podcast, we only had his brother's social media posts. And I think that is a valid point in all this as well. But obviously since that point, we've found out what he said himself. And I just think there's a time and a place for it. And,

That is obviously something that Amarin has very much disliked and he's gone and said it in front of the group, really, hasn't he? I mean, that is a bold statement to say, pretty much find yourself a new club. I'm going to be here next season in front of everybody. It's obviously going to get out pretty quickly. So I think more than anything, it's a football decision with a little bit of, you know, some flicks of his sort of maybe attitude that Amarin doesn't like. Now you can obviously have a debate around whether you want players to demand the ball and demand...

playing time, you know, to not feel burdened by the shirt. I think United players have had too many issues of that. And it'd be really fascinating though, because clearly, you know, I mean, you saw his partner's post before the game yesterday, last game at Old Trafford. You saw Garnaccio's response to Amarant's speech after the game, not clapping. I actually sort of thought Kobe Maynard wasn't really clapping. I mean, maybe I'm reading too much into that, but it was interesting to see the dynamics of the players listening. Can we have a rundown, maybe a piece on the Athletic about the percentage of,

of real endeavour and commitment each player individually made towards applauding I think there's a correlation between aggressiveness of clapping speed frequency and buy-in with the manager

Okay, I'm obviously getting a little bit facetious here. But yeah, it feels like it's going to go one way. It's interesting that he's out there on tour. We've just seen him. You can't miss his bleach blonde hair. And so he'll obviously feature in these games. It's a commercial activity over here, isn't it? But certainly other players haven't come that are out of contract, for example, or maybe...

have a little niggling injury. So it's interesting that he has come and he was very smiley on the team photo going out here on the steps. So then if you saw that, the Malaysia Airlines advert that I think United had to do, yeah, he was very smiley there. So, but I think it's obviously going one way, isn't it? And, you know, it's just who buys him now, really. So after the victory of the Athletic Club, I've referenced this quote before, I asked Amarin about Talabra and the weaknesses and the characteristics of

he thought his team needs to improve on. And he said, it's really, and I'll quote this, it's really important in the position that Ghana play today as a right 10 to have a left foot. It can change the way you play to have some wingers that are more offensive than defensive. That can change the way we play. Now, when Amarin says wingers, he's often referring to the wingbacks. But when you talk about the footballing reasons, that I think is, is,

The beginning or sort of the seed of this Japanese knotweed that we've got between the two is that Amarin wants a player who can do things that are different to what Garnaccio does, which means Garnaccio eventually, even if he stays at Manchester United, will become a bench option. And Garnaccio believes he's not...

He believes he's committed too much to this team to simply be a bench option, to simply get 20 minutes in those bigger games. And that's going to cause friction. And then you can put on top of everything else that Laurie's described. And here we are.

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Right, Laurie, let's get into your piece then. It's fantastic that you've managed to squeeze us in with all the travel and everything else that you've... Always, obviously. You are my pro. Thank you. This last week has been pretty chaotic, hasn't it, to be honest, even by your standards. You've found time amongst it all, probably sat in a closed train station in Bilbao to write this end of season...

Review, really, is probably the best way I can put it. It's a pretty harrowing read for a Manchester United fan about some of the dysfunction at the club and some of the moments during the campaign where you can see that people have really been tested. I want people to read it, so I don't want to reveal all the details in it. Obviously, everyone listening to this will be an Athletic subscriber, I'm sure, so I can go and do that at their leisure.

But from your perspective, what do you think the sort of key one or two talking points we should mention from the off are? I suppose the overarching theme was Sir Jim Ratcliffe's involvement in the club, in different decisions that are being made, you know, even just conversations that are being had. You know, perhaps one of the key lines that's been sort of put to me by people that have read it is the factionalism.

fact of him going around Carrington asking for feedback on what people do and then mentioning how he stretches before the marathon. Now, on one level, that is just a guy who loves his athletics and enjoys doing a marathon and having a normal conversation with somebody. On another level, it's if there's any kind of suggestion of, which is sort of the implication to me anyway, at least, that this is how you should perhaps have a look at things, then that is...

straying into territory that I think an owner probably shouldn't do. And so that's it, but it speaks to a way that Ratcliffe has been involved in the club. You know, even the Harry Mara appointment, for example, you know, that was through Lord Sebastian Coe and we're not sort of denigrating Mara's achievements at all. But it's that sort of

on a whim almost sort of this maybe let's see how this goes sort of approach that I think then perhaps creeps across the rest of the club and certainly there were tensions I think around the injuries that week where you had three players go down in training in a heavy session and then obviously Ahmad I mean the mad coincidence that Ratcliffe was there to watch that injury and then it became a kind of tense atmosphere around Carrington at that point in terms of

How did it happen? Amran at that point, I think, you know, we've heard from multiple people, he's even said it publicly, was questioning everything really in terms of his continued involvement at United. Now he's obviously come out very strongly, hasn't he, and saying, I'm staying, I'm far from quitting. So that's fine. But I think it does show that he is an emotional character and it's a difficult working environment even now. Even at this point where we're hoping, we're trying to get to a,

considered structure you saw obviously with the Dan Ashworth appointment and then removal that anything really can happen at this club I think with Ratcliffe in charge and then obviously the broader point being the Glazers still being majority owners I think that's still a fascinating angle to observe as well Andy what stood out to you?

The stuff that he said about Jim Ratcliffe's involvement, I think that week when the injuries happened is really interesting because, and I think we touched on it on the pod at the time, that was a major issue. That was like, why on earth are we getting serious injuries? You've wanted a full week with your players because if you remember, there was a run of loads of midweek matches. And then who is making the decision here that leads to key members getting injured?

right from the start. As a piece of journalism, I thought it was excellent, as I said earlier on in this podcast. I think it's the strength of what the Athletic should be doing. And for me, it's all about the detail. You know, I follow Manchester United closely, but when I read through and go, oh, didn't know that, that's interesting. Okay, that's good. So as you said at the start of this, I think that is why it's

People should do it justice, read the whole thing. I think the Ratcliffe stuff, I've seen people send him up after reading it, giving advice. I saw one person say, it reminds me of those Italian men on building sites.

where they lean over and give advice to something they know nothing about, which is obviously pretty cruel. Why Italian men? It's well known. How is it? Italian retirees just go and watch construction work. Arms behind their back. And then they give advice to people who are professional builders. Yeah. But then that happens a lot in football, doesn't it?

Look at us. We all spend a lot of time doing that. Pop Kettle on this podcast. Sorry, how many games have we played for Manchester United combined? We played a few at Old Trafford, though, Ian, right? With the media team, sure. I lasted 10 seconds, so, yeah.

Nothing new there. Let's move on. There's one section in here that I think absolutely you've got to read this. Don't leave it to the aggregators. Don't have things taken out of context. Read the flow. This has been put together by Laurie and a great team of editors. They want you to read certain things in order so you get a full picture. And there's one paragraph in here that I think we're going to have to keep referring to over the summer because we're going to get loads of questions about

from listeners throughout the summer about I'm on tenterhooks about the club backing Ameren and getting a bunch of players for 343. So, Laurie writes, finding players suitable for Ameren's requirements has been a significant focus of conversation leading up to Summer Window. The idea is that the profile sort can translate across systems rather than be solely appropriate for the 3421. When you're getting players for Ameren, it's not about getting players that can only play in a 343. It's about getting players that

can address issues that Amarin has already identified which are physicality two-footedness technical ability look at a player like Patrick Dorgou Dorgou's played left back before he's also played right wing before he's not just a wing back you look at

who apparently Man United have been linked to. Close to opening that one, Kyle. You can get onto that one when you're on time there. He's not just a player who can play left or right 10, however you want to describe it. He can also work in a 4-2-3-1. Amram wants shin kickers, ground eaters and players who can pass off two feet and that works for both

both him and whoever comes in later on. Amran going, Manchester United need a better striker than the strikers we currently have. I think that works regardless of what formation you bring in as well. When we talk about backing the manager, it's not just about just giving them loads of money. It's also about checks and balances and making sure Amran is aware of things he's not great at. I think one problem United got towards the end of Ten Hag's tenure was they were backing him financially, but they weren't necessarily backing him and going,

are you aware of what's currently going on in the Premier League and how you need to prepare for it? And I think that's why the squad got into this misshapen level. So it's a great piece. Go read it. Go read it in full. Don't leave it to the aggregators. Yeah, we'll talk more about that in the next podcast, like I seem to have been saying throughout this podcast. But the next podcast, we will talk more about that.

Just before we finish, Laurie, considering you are on the other side of the world and you've got a pretty packed schedule over the next few days, what exactly does it look like, your plans for your time over there? I thought you wanted an actual description of my eyeline right now because I've managed to blag a hotel room that literally...

overlooks the W Hotel which is where United are staying it's illuminated in purple at the moment very regal there's cars driving up the highways there's obviously big skyscrapers in the air you know a bit more than Manchester actually I know Andy's fascinated by United's skyline but there's a few tall buildings here the Petronas Towers are just around the corner and then my taxi driver was telling me that they've actually got the second tallest building in the world behind the

uh, Burj Khalifa in Dubai. That's not quite finished yet, but it will be soon. So yeah, it's a, it's a mad city. I've only just sort of touched down really. Um, but there is going to be a press conference tomorrow, uh, which is going to be UK kind of afternoon time. Uh,

and then also an open training session. I don't know how that will be viewed elsewhere than Kuala Lumpur, but yeah, we're able to go to that. And then obviously they've got the friendly match the next day. Then they fly straight away to Hong Kong. There's another training session and a press conference there.

that day and then there's the next day another match and then they fly home after that so it's a whistle stop tour there are though as I wrote in the piece three players that aren't doing the second match they're off to India instead for a commercial activity Harry Maguire Diogo Dalo and Andre Onana apparently there's a bit of competition around who got that trip because it's a bit close to home

close to Dubai for family holidays perhaps and they're the three lucky ones to be dodging the Hong Kong leg I suppose but yeah it's a packed schedule obviously we can perhaps discuss the rights and wrongs of it in the next podcast given it is clearly a money making scheme but here we are I'm obviously very lucky and privileged to be over here so hopefully there's some good stuff to get stuck into

United played there in 95. I think that was the year that the Petronas Towers opened and they were the tallest buildings in the world. So I arrived in Kuala Lumpur with my mates. You're shaking your head and smiling. Why have I given you the opportunity here, Andy, to talk about buildings? Why have I opened this door to you? I'll just tell you one thing about that tour. It wasn't confirmed until two days before the game. So me and like 20 United fans arrived in Kuala Lumpur.

and there was no confirmation because there'd been a dispute with one of the promoters, and finally at the last minute, Manchester United arrived, and I saw it on TV, and I'm like, get in there! And then they played two games in the same stadium, in the same city, just outside Kuala Lumpur, Selangor, over three days. Obviously the crowd at the next game wasn't quite as big as the first one, I mean, why would you come back for more? But

I realise that this tour will be greeted negatively by some quarters and I understand that but Manchester United are huge in Malaysia and the neighbouring countries Thailand, Singapore and also in Hong Kong and China as well so I do think those fans will appreciate it Yeah okay well Laurie have a great time enjoy it make the most of it I'm sure you will Carl you're also away so enjoy your holiday I'll enjoy mine Andy enjoy being at home because that's pretty rare for you nearly as rare as us being on holiday to be fair

and we'll join up again next week. There's no second podcast this week, but there will be two next week. So look out for that. Subscribe wherever you listen to your podcasts, and I'm sure you'll get a notification when the next one drops. But thank you so much for your company once again. Thank you for all the messages. Thank you, Andy. Thank you, Carl. Thank you, Laurie. And we'll see you on the next one. Take care. Bye-bye. The Athletic FC Podcast Network.

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