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Dan Pfeiffer
前白宫通信主任和《Pod Save America》播客的共同主持人,专注于政治、通信和数字策略。
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Steve Kornacki
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Dan Pfeiffer: 本次大选是历史上最胶着的选举之一,关键战场州的差距都在两百分点以内,甚至有的州差距小于百分点。2020年大选计票缓慢,主要是因为邮寄选票数量巨大;而今年邮寄选票数量大幅减少,加上一些州改进流程或积累经验,预计计票速度将显著加快。2016年大选结果在凌晨1:30左右就出来了,比2020年快得多。对民调结果的信心有限,尤其是不信任那些过于自信地预测结果的民调。2016年和2020年民调都出现过重大失误,尤其是在州一级民调上。虽然对民调准确性持谨慎乐观态度,但认为特朗普的支持率高于以往民调结果,且选情比2016年和2020年更胶着,这可能是因为民调方法改进或特朗普过去被低估的支持率得到弥补。2020年民调失误可能与新冠疫情的特殊情况有关,但也不排除特朗普支持率被低估的可能性。民调失误并不总是偏向共和党,也有可能偏向民主党;即使民调显示哈里斯领先一分,而密歇根州特朗普赢了两分,这也在预期结果范围内。2022年中期选举民调结果有的州低估了民主党,有的州则准确,这说明民调结果有其局限性。2020年威斯康星州民调失误最为严重,拜登领先优势被严重高估。民调只是对选民构成的一种预测模型,实际结果可能与模型预测存在偏差。宾夕法尼亚州是本次大选的关键州,如果民主党输掉宾夕法尼亚州,就很难获得足够的选举人票赢得大选。密歇根州阿拉伯裔美国人的抗议活动,可能会对大选结果产生影响。 Steve Kornacki: 对民调结果的信心有限,尤其是不信任那些过于自信地预测结果的民调。虽然对民调准确性持谨慎乐观态度,但认为特朗普的支持率高于以往民调结果,且选情比2016年和2020年更胶着,这可能是因为民调方法改进或特朗普过去被低估的支持率得到弥补。2020年民调失误可能与新冠疫情的特殊情况有关,但也不排除特朗普支持率被低估的可能性。民调失误并不总是偏向共和党,也有可能偏向民主党;即使民调显示哈里斯领先一分,而密歇根州特朗普赢了两分,这也在预期结果范围内。佐治亚州大选之夜,他将关注亚特兰大都会区(“蓝色斑点”)的投票情况,以及该地区是否扩张;还会关注切罗基县和福赛思县的投票情况,以观察特朗普是否成功阻止共和党支持率下滑。佐治亚州亚特兰大都会区越来越倾向于民主党,如果民主党在此次选举中翻转费耶特县,将是一个很好的迹象。佐治亚州切罗基县长期以来是共和党的票仓,但共和党支持率有所下降,此次选举将观察特朗普是否成功阻止这一趋势。佐治亚州切罗基县共和党支持率在下降,此次选举将观察这一趋势是否被扭转。佐治亚州一些农村地区和黑人人口较多的地区,民主党希望提高投票率。佐治亚州亚特兰大地区的计票通常比较晚。佐治亚州早期投票数据显示共和党早期投票人数增加,这可能意味着选举日共和党投票人数会减少。内华达州的早期投票预测结果值得关注,但需要谨慎对待。内华达州以及其他州的早期投票模式可能与2020年不同,存在不确定性。共和党对早期投票的重视程度提高,可能导致投票模式发生变化。亚利桑那州大量新登记的男性选民参与投票。亚利桑那州马里科帕县的投票率高于其他地区,这可能反映了不同类型的共和党选民的投票行为。亚利桑那州马里科帕县高收入、高学历地区投票率显著高于其他地区,这可能反映了不同类型的共和党选民的投票行为。亚利桑那州马里科帕县高收入、高学历地区高投票率的原因尚不明确,可能是因为这些选民对特朗普的态度转变,也可能只是因为他们更积极参与投票。北卡罗来纳州飓风可能对计票产生影响。北卡罗来纳州大选之夜,他将关注东部地区黑人人口较多的农村县的投票情况,以及夏洛特郊区的一些县的投票情况,以观察民主党能否在此取得进展。北卡罗来纳州一些县的黑人人口在减少,这给民主党带来挑战。北卡罗来纳州夏洛特郊区的一些县,共和党支持率有所下降,此次选举将观察这一趋势是否被扭转。北卡罗来纳州许多农村地区,特朗普的支持率大幅提高,此次选举将观察这一趋势是否持续。北卡罗来纳州白人非大学学历选民比例保持稳定,这与其他州有所不同。本次大选将检验几个关键假设,包括特朗普是否在黑人选民中取得进展,以及他是否在拉丁裔选民中取得进展。佐治亚州和北卡罗来纳州的早期投票结果,可以帮助判断特朗普是否在黑人选民中取得进展。佛罗里达州的早期投票结果,可以帮助判断特朗普是否在拉丁裔选民中取得进展。佛罗里达州奥塞奥拉县的投票结果,可以帮助判断特朗普是否在波多黎各裔选民中取得进展。佛罗里达州奥塞奥拉县是特朗普在2020年拉丁裔选民支持率提高最显著的地区之一。佛罗里达州奥塞奥拉县的投票结果,对判断特朗普在拉丁裔选民中的支持率变化具有重要意义。2016年佛罗里达州的早期投票结果,给民主党带来了警示。佛罗里达州的计票速度很快,通常在投票结束后的30分钟内就能公布邮寄选票和提前投票的结果。佛罗里达州的计票速度很快,这对于民主党来说是一个优势。宾夕法尼亚州大选之夜,他将关注费城拉丁裔选民的投票情况,以及特朗普是否在费城取得进展。宾夕法尼亚州222号公路沿线城市拉丁裔人口众多,特朗普在2020年在此取得进展,此次选举将观察这一趋势是否持续。宾夕法尼亚州222号公路沿线城市,特朗普在2020年取得了显著进展,此次选举将观察这一趋势是否持续。宾夕法尼亚州切斯特县是民主党支持率增长最快的县之一,此次选举将观察民主党能否继续在此取得进展。宾夕法尼亚州拉克瓦纳县的投票结果,将反映拜登的地区影响力以及特朗普是否能够扭转这一地区民主党支持率的增长。宾夕法尼亚州拉克瓦纳县是鲍勃·凯西关注的重点地区,该地区投票结果对凯西的竞选至关重要。宾夕法尼亚州郊区选民的投票结果,将是判断哈里斯能否赢得大选的关键。哈里斯需要在郊区选民中获得更多支持,才能弥补在其他群体中可能出现的支持率下降。自2012年以来,宾夕法尼亚州有10个县的民主党支持率有所提高,其中包括费城郊区的一些县。宾夕法尼亚州费城郊区的一些县,民主党支持率有所提高,此次选举将观察民主党能否继续在此取得进展。宾夕法尼亚州切斯特县的投票结果,将是判断哈里斯能否赢得大选的关键指标之一。密歇根州韦恩县将涵盖很多不确定性,他将关注韦恩县阿拉伯裔美国人社区的投票情况,以及底特律黑人选民的投票率。密歇根州底特律黑人选民的投票率,将是判断民主党能否赢得大选的关键因素之一。密歇根州奥克兰县和梅科姆县的投票结果对比,将是判断民主党能否赢得大选的关键指标之一。密歇根州奥克兰县和梅科姆县的投票结果对比,将是判断民主党能否赢得大选的关键指标之一。威斯康星州对民主党来说是最难的州之一,但民主党长期以来对威斯康星州感到乐观。威斯康星州大选之夜,他将关注密尔沃基周边地区的投票情况,以及代恩县的人口增长情况。威斯康星州密尔沃基周边地区的投票情况,将是判断民主党能否赢得大选的关键指标之一。威斯康星州密尔沃基周边地区的投票情况,将是判断民主党能否赢得大选的关键指标之一。亚利桑那州是民主党在七个关键州中最不看好的州之一,但许多人认为该州仍然是可以赢得的。亚利桑那州大选之夜,他将关注马里科帕县和皮马县的投票情况。亚利桑那州的拉丁裔选民投票结果,将是判断特朗普能否赢得大选的关键因素之一。如果共和党赢得西弗吉尼亚州,并且俄亥俄州的共和党候选人获胜,那么共和党很可能赢得参议院控制权。众议院的最终结果可能需要几周时间才能确定,因为加州的计票速度很慢。

Deep Dive

Key Insights

What is Steve Kornacki's plan for preparing for election night?

Steve Kornacki keeps his preparation simple, relying on the excitement of the event to keep him going. He carves out two hours in the afternoon to take a walk and clear his head, ignoring anecdotal turnout reports that he considers useless.

Why does Steve Kornacki believe election results might come quicker this time compared to 2020?

Kornacki is cautiously optimistic that results will come quicker due to a significant decrease in vote-by-mail volume, which caused delays in 2020. Additionally, some states have improved their vote-counting procedures, and others have gained more experience with handling mail-in ballots.

What are the key counties Steve Kornacki is watching in Georgia to gauge election outcomes?

Kornacki is closely monitoring the Atlanta metro area, particularly Fayette County, to see if Democrats are expanding their support in the suburbs. He’s also watching Cherokee and Forsyth Counties to assess whether Trump has arrested the Republican slide in these areas. Additionally, he’s looking at rural counties with significant Black populations to gauge Democratic turnout.

What is the significance of Osceola County in Florida for the 2024 election?

Osceola County, just south of Orlando, is a majority Hispanic county with a high concentration of Puerto Rican voters. It’s a key indicator of Trump’s gains with Hispanic voters, as he improved his margin there by 11 points in 2020. A strong performance by Trump in Osceola could signal broader success with Hispanic voters.

What demographic shifts in Michigan and Wisconsin could benefit Kamala Harris in the 2024 election?

In Michigan and Wisconsin, the share of white, non-college-educated voters—a key part of Trump’s base—has shrunk by two points since 2020. This demographic shift makes it harder for Trump to replicate his previous success, potentially benefiting Harris if she maximizes support from her core coalition.

What are the three reasons for optimism for Kamala Harris in the final stretch of the 2024 election?

First, Democratic enthusiasm for Harris is at the same level as it was for Barack Obama in 2008. Second, Harris has narrowed Trump’s lead on the economy, a top issue for voters. Third, demographic shifts in key states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin have moved in the Democrats’ favor, making it harder for Trump to win.

Chapters
Dan Pfeiffer interviews Steve Kornacki about his election night preparation and insights into the current state of the race. They discuss the possibility of faster results compared to 2020 and the accuracy of current polls.
  • Kornacki's election night routine includes a midday walk to clear his head.
  • He's cautiously optimistic about faster election results due to decreased vote-by-mail volume and increased experience.
  • He distrusts confident assertions about poll predictions.
  • He notes that even in close races, outcomes may fall within the margin of error.

Shownotes Transcript

Introducing Election Night Cheat Sheet (feat. Steve Kornacki) from Pod Save America.

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With just two days to go, Dan sits down with Election Night guru and NBC News National Political Correspondent Steve Kornacki for a pre-election deep dive. Steve breaks down the state of the race, shares insights on key battleground states, trends among key voter groups, and which counties he's watching to signal election night outcomes. Then, Steve and Dan dig into close Senate and House races, plus some quirks in ballot-counting that could affect how quickly we get results.

 

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