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S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

2025/5/30
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Adam Serwer: 我认为特朗普政府对国际援助的撤回是极具破坏性的,尤其是在国外。这不仅没有正当理由,而且在我看来是非法的,因为国会已经拨款,行政部门无权扣押。更重要的是,这种行为背后体现了一种意识形态,即这些人的生命无关紧要,可以随意撤回维持他们生命的资源,而不会有任何后果。我完全不同情埃隆·马斯克及其心理健康问题,因为他对国家产生了负面影响,他对美国民主的影响极其负面。他利用Doge进行了一场掩人耳目的游戏,假装他没有掌权,但他却在未经国会授权和美国人民投票的情况下,行使权力改变美国政府的结构。埃隆这样有财富和权力的人可以随意进入美国政府并为所欲为,这是一个真正的问题。美国如何从特朗普时代恢复,以及如何防止类似的人以这种方式夺取控制权并违背基本的民主问责制行使意志,是未来需要认真思考的问题。如果一个建立在制衡基础上的系统,其他部门不愿意进行制衡,那么人们就无能为力。埃隆揭示了当前系统存在的弱点。

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Adam Serwer discusses Elon Musk's destructive legacy, particularly his impact on American democracy and international aid. He highlights the concerning lack of accountability and the potential for future abuses of power. The discussion also touches on the dehumanization of migrants, particularly Venezuelans deported to El Salvador under questionable circumstances.
  • Elon Musk's actions abroad have negatively impacted millions of people.
  • The withdrawal of international aid is affecting hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people.
  • Musk's actions revealed weakness in the U.S. system of checks and balances.
  • The Trump administration's mass deportation project is seen as demographic engineering.
  • The U.S. knew only a small fraction of the Venezuelans deported to El Salvador were convicted of crimes.

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The Trump administration is trying to exert ideological control over every knowledge-producing institution in the country. And the assault on colleges is not only about having fewer highly-educated voters, but also depriving Americans of trusted sources of information—much in the way Trump in 2020 wanted to stop counting Covid cases so it looked like he had the pandemic under control. Meanwhile, we're getting too much information about Elon's bladder control problems on his way out the door. Plus, The Bulwark's **Lauren Egan **and Tennessee's Justin Jones on courage, conscience, fighting a party drunk with power, and the future of the South.

The Atlantic's Adam Serwer joins Tim Miller for the weekend pod, with a side serving from our live Nashville show.

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