The Best Case for the Big Beautiful Bill
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Okay, I'm really excited about this conversation here. We need to pass the big, beautiful bill and we need to properly educate the American people on the good stuff in this bill. And joining us now is Steve Moran, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors in the White House. Steve, great to see you. I think we've crossed each other in the hall a couple times. We were both late to meetings, but it's great to see you on the program. Great to see you. Thanks for having me, Charlie. So

So, Steve, I'm going to give you the floor here. You know this stuff super well. The number one priority legislatively right now needs to pass Trump's big, beautiful bill. Walk us our audience through some of the lesser known economic details as to why this will supercharge the economy, result in middle class growth and help young people in particular be able to take ownership of the American economy.

Great. So that's completely right. We need to pass this bill. It is so important to get it over the line, because if we don't, it's going to be the biggest tax hike in history, absolute biggest in history, $4 trillion tax hike on American workers and American families that will plunge the economy back into recession.

On the other hand, if we do pass the tax bill, here's what's going to happen. According to a study we just put on our website this morning at the Council of Economic Advisors at the White House, it'll boost the economy by about 4.6% to 4.9% over the next four years. So that's a little over 1% a year. It'll boost take-home pay after tax breaks.

you know, real income for a typical family of four by about $7,500 to as much as $11,000 over this period, right? So that's more money in your pocket as a result of the bill. More money in your pocket means a healthier economy, a stronger economy, better off families. On top of that, you've got all sorts of deficit reduction coming as a result of this. There's a lot of people who are concerned about the deficit. I understand why. The reason why they're concerned about the deficit is because of a too much, too big focus on

on the score from the Congressional Budget Office on the one big beautiful bill, which has the bad side effect of focusing only on one little picture, one little corner of the big picture. You've got to see the big picture. The big picture of what's going on is that President Trump's policies will create an economic growth boom, just as they did in the president's first term. And this economic growth boom will bring down deficits, bring down the national debt.

We calculated that between the growth benefits as a result of the one big beautiful bill, the growth benefits as a result of the president's deregulatory agenda, cutting red tapes that companies can invest in higher workers when and where they want instead of spending years begging permission from Washington, better growth as a result of the president's energy policies to bring down the price of energy. All of this can, in total, bring down the deficit by as much as $8.5 to $11 trillion over a 10-year window, right? So this is huge.

Huge amounts of deficit reduction. Part of this is also the tariffs, right? What the president is doing is raising tons and tons of money by taxing foreigners and using that money to cut taxes on American workers. And I can't think of anything that's a more sensible policy than that. Tariffs on foreigners used to pay for tax reductions on American families and American firms. And that sounds great to me.

So you do all this together, you know, you get a number of as much as $11 trillion of lower deficits over the 10-year budget window. And then you look at what that does to the debt-to-GDP ratio, right? So the current expectations are that it would be as high as 117% by the end of the next 10 years, right? But what the president's policies would do would make it about over 20 points lower than that.

23 percentage points lower than that, right? So this is very, very significant across the entire spectrum of outcomes. It's huge economic growth. It's huge wage growth. It's huge growth in incomes for families. It's huge reductions in deficits. And it's huge reductions in the debt-to-GDP ratio. And it's such a win to pass this bill. It makes absolute sense. And if we don't pass this bill, if we don't get this bill over the line, it's going to be the biggest tax hike in history. It's going to plunge the economy into recession. And it's going to hand the midterms to the Democrats.

Well, if you put it that way. And so, by the way, so let's let's dive into some of the details here. The Senate is flirting with getting rid of no tax on tips, no tax and overtime. Will that remain? That'll remain. Those are some of the president's signature promises from the campaign. And the president always delivers on his signature promises. One by one, the president fulfills all of his campaign pledges. And these are part of that. No tax on tips, no tax and overtime tax relief for seniors.

And then those are extraordinarily powerful at keeping more money in people's pockets on a week-to-week, month-to-month basis. And then on top of that, there's huge incentives in the tax bill for firms to invest, for firms to build new factories, for firms to buy more equipment, for firms to increase their productive capacity. These are things like full expensing on equipment.

full expensing on new factories and on R&D. And this is how you get firms doing more in America. This is how you get firms hiring workers by providing incentives for them to invest. They want to hire more American workers. They want to pay American workers more. We're going to make America the best place on earth to do business.

Let's go into more some some more of the details here. So the extension of the Trump tax cuts remind people what that means as far as deductibility and what would it mean for general economic growth? Now, we're not totally obsessed with GDP numbers here on this program, but it does matter a lot when you're a debtor nation, which unfortunately we are a debtor nation. You got no choice but to grow.

What does the extension of the Trump tax cuts mean for a needed explosion of economic growth? So the Trump tax cuts from 2017 created the economic boom in the president's first term, which is part of why Americans voted overwhelmingly in a landslide to reelect the president, because they remember what it did for them, right? They remember that it created record lows of unemployment with no inflation. They remember that it boosted GDP by

over half a trillion dollars relative to what people were expecting beforehand. They remember that it boosted real median household income by over $6,000 only a year after it was passed. They remember that it created about double the wage growth that they'd experienced during the length of the Obama administration when wages were very stagnant

And they also remember that wage growth for the bottom of the income distribution for Americans in the working class, that that wage growth was about twice what it was for people who are ultra wealthy. So they remember that the first Trump administration was not only an economic boom, it was a blue collar boom. And it was due in very large part to the tax cuts from 2017. And if we don't extend those, if we allow those to expire,

It'll be the biggest tax hike in history, a $4 trillion tax hike. It'll plunge the economy into recession. Millions of people will lose their jobs. Nine million people will lose their health insurance. And it'll be a really bad outcome. So I want to continue to dive into some of the details and the elements here. I know the Senate parliamentarian has taken a battle axe to a lot of this stuff.

But let's also talk now about the spending cuts. I know that we wish we would have more spending cuts, but this still is the greatest welfare reform in American history. Is that correct? Oh, it absolutely is. And it's not just welfare reform in the sense of what we typically mean. It's also corporate welfare reform.

When you think about the Green New Scam, all of the hundreds of billions of dollars, trillions of dollars of taxpayer money, of money that ordinary families are taxed and forced to pay the government to fund these Green New Deal programs, which are, you know, many of them are tilting at windows, sorry, tilting at windmills. Much of this stuff is pulled back, right, as it should be. There's very little excuse for taxing hardworking Americans to pursue Green New Scam, you know, climate dreams.

Yeah. And so the in addition to that, what would you say to people that I know you mentioned this earlier are taking the CBO's numbers? Do they have a good track record of being accurate or correct?

They do not. And it has to do with the fact of what I said before, is they're only looking at one little corner of the picture instead of seeing the entire big picture. And what CBO does is they assign a score to every single provision in the bill. And it's what they have to do for following the very Byzantine, complicated process of passing things through the Senate with a simple majority instead of the super majority. You need to overcome a filibuster. Normally, you need to overcome a filibuster and use 60 votes. And that's impossible to get with today's political climate.

Through a very specialized budget process, you can pass things with a simple majority, which we can do. It requires the CBO to score things on a line-by-line basis, but that ignores the big picture of the effects of those items on the economy. It ignores the big picture of the fact that economic growth is going to boom like it did in the president's first term as a result of these policies. It ignores the big picture that the economy is going to boom because of other things like deregulation, like energy abundance.

It ignores the big picture that there's trillions of dollars of tariff revenue coming in. It ignores the big picture that there's a trillion and a half of further cuts to waste, fraud, and abuse, like you were talking about before, that are coming in administratively rather than through the legislation. It ignores the big picture of a trillion and a half dollars of interest savings as a result of borrowing less, as a result of smaller deficits from all this economic growth.

And so the folks who are focusing on the CBO score are just using it for ends that it was never intended for. They're using it. It's not fit for purpose for thinking about the broad deficit picture. And, you know, folks are making too much of it.

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Steve Moran continues to ask, so Steve, can you also talk about the Trump baby investment account, the $1,000 investment account that every new baby will get if this bill passes? What is the significance of this?

These are hugely significant because we know that starting to save for the future is one of the most important things that people can do to improve their financial acumen through their lives, to improve their retirement, to improve their ability to save for the future. And what we'll get is Trump accounts. We'll get MAGA accounts for every baby who's born in the United States. And we'll get $1,000 deposited into this account by the government, and that will be allowed to grow dramatically.

What are any other components in the bill that you want our audience to be aware of that you feel as if the media is not doing a good job covering?

So, look, I mean, I think that at the end of the day, it's just really, really important to get this bill over the line. But there's all sorts of things, and it's important to get it over the line to avoid the biggest tax hike in history. But there's all sorts of other things that are in the bill that are unrelated to tax that are super important. Things like you talk about all the time, like funding for the border.

Right. We need to crack down on the border. We need the funding to improve border security, to make sure that our to make sure that Americans are protected in their lives from and with reduced crime, to make sure that our young people can enter the labor market instead of being competed out by illegal migrants, to make sure that we control price pressure, price pressures, because large scale immigration is incredibly inflationary. And it's so important that we get that border funding in the bill over.

over the line. There's also other stuff in the bill that really advances the deregulatory agenda that we need in order to bring energy prices down. And these are things like, you know, some of it is sort of details about, you know, how, how, you know, how oil drilling is done or, or, or onshore and offshore and stuff like that. But we got to move the ball forward on that stuff. If we're going to lower gas prices for American consumers, if we're going to make people's commute easier, if we're going to put energy into every single part of the economy, whether it's building manufacturing so that we can have energy,

robust national security and defense, or getting service workers to their job sites, or even if it's remote workers at home on their laptops, right? We need energy for everything. And there's stuff in this bill that's dedicated to bringing the energy price down to deliver real savings to American families.

Phenomenal. Final action call for our audience. What is the timeline here to pass the big, beautiful bill? Well, we're hoping that the Senate passes it within a couple of days and then we're hoping that next week we'll have action from both chambers of Congress and the bill is signed into law. That's what we want.

And and that's what we expect to happen. So the number one thing you can do is call your senator, tell him or tell her to pass the one big, beautiful bill to get the tax bill done, to avoid the biggest tax hike in history and to usher in the second Trump economic boom and the new golden age for America. Very good. Thank you so much, Steve. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. If we are serious about taking back America, it's going to go through a major the major American cities.

It's going to go through three major cities, L.A., Chicago, New York, one, two, three. And all three are fortifying with communist mayors. Understand they are trying to fortify themselves against the American project. We know what's happening in New York. We see the Islamist socialist that is ascendant there. We know Karen Bass in L.A. is completely uninterested in governing her city. It's total anarchy and bedlam in L.A. And then in my hometown of Chicago.

This is 430. Play this in a second. Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson announcing that he'll be handing out race-based grants only to blacks for slavery reparations. I think that Harmeet Dhillon, who's our next guest in this segment, coming up next segment, she should use the Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Justice to investigate the city of Chicago. So they're only going to give money to black people?

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429, he prioritizes hiring black people. He is violating federal law when he does this. I think Brandon Johnson should be looked into by the Office of Civil Rights to the Department of Justice. Play cut 429. Some detractors that will push back on me and say, you know, the only thing that the mayor talks about is the hiring of black people. No, what I'm saying is when you hire our people, we always look out for everybody else. We are the most generous people on the planet. And so...

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Joining us now is a great friend of ours, Harmeet Dhillon, who is running the Office for Civil Rights at the Department of Justice. Let me get the exact title. Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. Harmeet, great to see you. Congratulations on your post. Why don't you introduce our audience to what you do? They know who you are, but what is your new role?

Well, thank you, Charlie, for your kind words and for having me. The Civil Rights Division of the United States Department of Justice is one of the biggest sections of the DOJ in Washington, and it has the weighty charge of enforcing the United States federal civil rights laws. Everything relating from employment discrimination to discrimination in education, Title IX, Title VII, Title VI, the Klan Act,

Anti-discrimination laws involving aging, disability against veterans, and importantly, also all of our nation's federal voting laws. So that's a huge scope of work. What are some of the immediate things you're working on? I know we have a list of some here, but walk our audience through kind of the one, two, three biggest items that are currently being worked on by your office.

Well, in the headlines today, just a little while ago, we filed a federal civil rights lawsuit in Orange County, California, challenging their failure to comply with the Help America Vote Act, which requires jurisdictions to maintain clean voter rolls. And so that's an important lawsuit. It's the second HAVA lawsuit that we filed under my tenure here in DOJ. The first one was against North Carolina. And so similarly, North Carolina was out of compliance.

And so what we've been doing is asking for information from jurisdictions all over the United States, one by one. Colorado's got a letter from us and some others. And so we wait for their responses. And if their responses are not adequate, like Orange County's, we file suit to enforce these federal civil rights laws. That's one big endeavor. Another is enforcing our Title IX and anti-DEI policies of this administration, which

And that's in compliance with the federal Supreme Court precedent, Students for Fair Admissions, which ruled last year that the institutions of higher learning that receive federal funding, which is almost all of them except for Hillsdale,

must comply with our anti-discrimination laws and cannot use quotas to suppress admissions of Asians, whites, males, whatever category. There has to be equal opportunity in admissions, not for groups, but for individuals. But just about every institution in the United States that we've looked at seems to be out of compliance. And so we are one by one sending letters to those as well. I sent over 70 of them in my, I think, first or second week in office.

We're getting the data back. We're crunching it. We're, you know, drafting lawsuits, frankly. And if we don't get compliance, there'll be a mess of lawsuits on our hands over there.

We're doing so many other cases involving veterans' rights and enforcing the laws that protect them from discrimination. I mean, our service members, rather. And just every day is a different issue. A big issue for me is equality of access for girls in sports. That's an important part of Title IX. And I sent a letter to California a couple of weeks ago demanding that all the schools who participate in California's Interscholastic Federation, which has allowed boys to take girls' trophies,

comply with federal guidance on this issue. And they sued me and the attorney general in response to that. So we're wending our way through the courts over there. And so every day, there's just new issues that we're dealing with. Charlie, I'm taking in information from citizens, people I know, people I don't know all over the country. We have a small team of political appointees here who are helping me and then some career folks as well. But it's a huge job, like you said.

Yeah, it's a beast. Before we go further into the details here, can you just tell our audience what Obama and Biden used this office for? It was one of the biggest at the Department of Justice.

Yeah, there were over 400 attorneys when I got here to the Civil Rights Division. They're less than half now because more than half of them quit when I made clear that our priorities were going to be enforcing the laws equally for all Americans, not just weaponizing it for a select few. That's exactly what the Obama and the Biden administrations did. They really staffed up the Civil Rights Division. They took the opportunity to hire a bunch of radical lawyers who had a particular agenda. And then they used that to, for example, force

the Marxist goal of defunding the police in the United States, which I think everyone who lives in a city is familiar with this problem. And they concocted these consent decrees and really never proving them in court for the most part and just sort of forced them down the throats of these cities. And a lot of cities were on the other side themselves having...

city council members who also wanted to defund the police. They were happy that the DOJ was doing their dirty work for them and making it seem like this was a federal priority as opposed to a local priority. So one of the first things we did when we came in in this new administration is begin to unwind those destructive consent decrees that have made Americans less safe. The average consent decree in a city, Charlie, lasts over 13 years. The goalposts keep shifting.

And it costs the city over $200 million. Some fat cat lawyer and some big law firm on an expense account gets paid over a million dollars a year typically to enforce these consent decrees. And crime goes way up in each city with these consent decrees. That's called the Ferguson effect. Hmm.

We don't want that to be the case. There's the occasional cop who commits misconduct. We prosecute those individuals. And that is kind of the core of our constitutional system. Individual opportunity, individual accountability, not group justice and not making all the citizens of Phoenix or Albuquerque or Seattle pay for the sins or frankly, sometimes imaginary sins of a few. And this this was so weaponized intentionally to try and stop police from doing their job.

Is it conceivable that as we lift these consent decrees, violent crime in this country should go down? Oh, 100%. I mean, you know, you see it all over America that good cops who go into law enforcement and risk their lives to keep us safe every day, they...

They flee cities with consent decrees at just radical levels. And the reason is that instead of doing their job of policing, they have to do a bunch of paperwork. They have to constantly meet with so-called community groups that are pushing a particular agenda. And it makes their lives miserable and they can't do the policing that they wanted to do. So they go to another jurisdiction and

where they don't have to comply with these ludicrous rules forced from Washington by lawyers who've never tried a case and, frankly, are doing this from home during COVID. And so it's really an unfair system. And we're putting a stop to it, full stop. Pam Bondi and the president, it's a top priority of theirs. And so whatever you see in the president's executive orders on any of these issues that touch on civil rights, we're doing that here in the DOJ.

So let's dive deeper into some of the details here. And so this is from your account right here. Allowing non-citizens to vote in elections is a violation of American people's right to determine their future. I don't want you to speculate, but what are some of the major other prime targets of potential non-citizens voting? And what is the plan at DOJ to address this and get the non-citizens voting issue solved?

OK, so big picture is that our election laws and our system of federalism are, first of all, made by, for the most part, by state legislatures. That's that's an important point. And there are some federal laws regarding clean voter rolls and other issues. National Voter Registration Act, Help America Vote Act. There's also an important law called the Voting Rights Act, which is used in the subject of extensive litigation on the left and redistricting.

really weaponizing it in one direction. And so we don't have jurisdiction over everything. So we don't have jurisdiction over how states do their thing for the most part, but we do have jurisdiction over clean voter rolls, and that's the Help America Vote Act. And in this case, Orange County received credible information from, you know, it's well publicized, that there were people on the voter rolls

who are not American citizens. And there's many ways that this can happen. People go to register to vote and they check the wrong box. It can be innocent. It can be intentional. It can be somebody committing fraud. Who knows? But the point is...

Every citizen is entitled to their vote, counting equally with other citizens and other citizens only. This is a fundamental premise of our democracy. And the response I always get to this complaint that every violation of the Help America Vote Act and of our voter rolls is whatever, Harmeet, it's like...

voter fraud is so rare. Well, it doesn't have to be fraud, but it could be any number of reasons. But every citizen is entitled to their vote being counted once and being counted equally. And that's not happening in any jurisdiction that is refusing to police their voter rolls and clean their voter rolls when they get a complaint like this.

that shows that there are non-citizens on the voter roll. So we asked, that's the first step we always ask in the DOJ, hey guys, can you show us the data that we're entitled to under this federal law? And they refused to give it to us. So this lawsuit followed today. And that's going to happen to other jurisdictions that are refusing to comply with the Help America Vote Act. And we've sent letters out to other jurisdictions. You know, local press has reported on Colorado and some other jurisdictions getting these letters. We've asked them to preserve their evidence.

and we are asking for this information. So one by one, we're going to make sure that states are compliant. And sometimes it's counties that are out of compliance and sometimes it's states that are out of compliance, like North Carolina.

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Harmeet Dhillon here is from the Office of Civil Rights at the Department of Justice, Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights. So let me ask you, Harmeet,

What can everyday people do? What lawsuits can everyday rank and file people do and place that could potentially be helpful for what your department is trying to accomplish? That's a great question, Charlie. So when I was a young lawyer, which was a long time ago, there were actually very few outlets for people to sort of write the balance the way that we're doing today at the DOJ. And all of the nonprofits were more on the left side. Today, there are quite a few options for people who have a case involving civil rights.

And you can kick that off. I mean, I will tell you, like, I'm frustrated by the pace of government. It's not something that we control, but there is a number of

hurdles you have to jump through when you're bringing a case for the government. And so people can get more quickly into court sometimes by working with a good nonprofit or private practice lawyer to bring their case. And the United States Department of Justice has the ability to get involved in those cases in multiple different ways. First of all, we can file something that's called a statement of interest, which is kind of like an amicus brief, a friend of the court brief, if you will,

at the trial court level. And DOJ frequently does that in different cases. DOJ, another branch of the DOJ today just did that in the Huntington Beach case involving citizenship issues. And so we do that all the time. You can also intervene in a case. So if someone's brought a great case involving an important issue, we can make a motion to intervene. We did that earlier this week in Washington state, where

There was a situation where the state passed a law, I think it's called 5375, I think that's the number of the law, that pierces or purports to pierce the Catholic priest penitent privilege. Say that quickly three times. And that law is unconstitutional, because it forces priests to choose between betraying their faith or following the law of man. And that's not right in our country. And so

We filed a motion to intervene as a plaintiff in that case. We joined a lawsuit that was already ongoing. And there are a couple other lawsuits ongoing, or I understand, planned in that state as well. And so that's a way that we can get involved. And then the third way is, of course, like the lawsuit we filed today in Orange County. We can file our own lawsuit. We also file and argue amicus briefs.

There was a case of Laura Libby, a legislator in Maine who supported girls being able to win trophies in girls' sports, and she was stripped of her voting rights in Maine by the Maine speaker. And so we filed an amicus brief in the First Circuit, and I went up to Boston and argued that case. That's another way that we can get involved. It was an excellent lawsuit brought by excellent lawyers, friends of ours from the private practice world, and they did a great job on...

her behalf, but we argued the United States' interest in that, which is you can never strip away the voting rights of the voters in that district. That's a violation of the Voting Rights Act. So there's so many different ways that we can get involved, but people don't have to wait for the government. And just another thing to point out, Charlie, is

Even if we're fully staffed, there's no way that we can take on every single civil rights issue in the United States. What we try to do is pick cases that will have the biggest impact. As I mentioned, right now we're down in strength because a lot of the lawyers who worked here a few months ago didn't want to work here anymore when they learned that their job wasn't going to be doing their pet projects anymore. And so we are doing a lot with less.

And so people can get into court more quickly if they get a good lawyer. Harmeet Dhillon really is now the tip of the spear. She is the piercing authority of this new Trump government for all civil rights violations. So when people are discriminating against Asians, against white people, against Christians, against Jews, it's all going to go through the Office of Civil Rights. Harmeet, you're doing a great job. Thank you so much. God bless you.

Thanks for having me, Charlie. Yeah, and actually, you know, one of our listeners reminded me, the Deerfield Junior High School, the Alan Shepard Junior High School in Deerfield, Illinois. I think it's time for a federal investigation. We've been talking about this on this quite some time. Girls are still forced to change clothes in front of a boy. And so now, I'm going to text Harmeet right after the show. That's the power of this show and the power of what all of you support and also the power of, doesn't it feel good when you win the White House? And you can say, no, we're not going to put up with that. We're going to...

seal the southern border. We're going to cut off DEI. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening. God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.