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overseas for a NATO summit and going through some of the more important things on the national security front there. Of course, the president very much wants our NATO allies to meet their financial contribution thresholds, which...

almost none of them i think a couple of them maybe have stepped it up uh... but with very few of them were making those kinds of contributions to their own defense mind you this is about spending a portion of uh... g_d_p_ of their g_d_p_ on uh... their own ability to contribute to nato and therefore to the defense of these individual nations and so that that's a a big part of this but this was was interesting i i

I think you're going to see some memes about this one. At the Hague, Clay, in the Netherlands, this was clip six. The NATO chief, do you see this? Referred to Trump as Daddy. Play six. They fought like hell, and then they said, let's stop. And they're going to build themselves. And I really see it as sticking. I mean, we may do papers on it, Marco. Maybe we're going to do papers. I don't even know if you need them. They're not going to be fighting each other. They've had it.

They've got a big fight, like two kids in a schoolyard. You know they fight like hell. You can't stop them. Let them fight for about two or three minutes. Then it's easy to stop them. Daddy has to sometimes do strong language. You have to use strong language. Every once in a while you have to use a certain word. I mean, he kind of was afraid. I would say he calls Trump daddy. That's what he's reported. It's a little more of like he's playing along with the analogy there. But here's another moment. Here's Lithuanian, the Lithuanian president. I

I'm not even going to pretend that I know how to say his name. This is Cut7, who has a new NATO motto that he wanted to discuss. Play it. I think we should choose the motto, Make NATO Great Again. I would like to extend my gratitude to President Donald Trump, because without his engagement...

I can imagine that we would discuss probably the level of 2.5%. With no clear outcome and positive outcome, probably those discussions will lead to nothing.

So, Clay, Trump's mark on NATO is very clear. I remember in the first term, there were a lot of people whose objection was that they said that Trump was going to destroy NATO and he was so horrible for it. And now you've got the whole North Atlantic Treaty Organization mobilizing to spend more, to prepare more, to be able to defend more. And Trump has been a huge part of that shift, really the leader of that shift.

Yeah, look, there was a decision made that the United States was going to protect the rest of the world. And so the rest of the world didn't have any obligation to have substantial military assets. I mean...

This is certainly the case with Canada, which basically has no military because they are freeloading on the fact that they feel as if the United States will protect them no matter what. And that's true. Look at Canada's military spending. Look at the number of people that they have in uniform. They are effectively of the opinion that they have no danger because they happen to border the United States. And there was that belief in many of the NATO countries that,

that to build on the analogy that was being made there, Trump and the United States was the daddy of Europe and they didn't have to spend money on any of their own defense because the United States had their back. And that's something that frankly, a lot of American leadership has wanted to foster for some period of time to allow that to sort of become ingrained. And Trump said, why would we continue to be the world's policemen? Why would we continue to be effectively police?

your security guards, and you're going to have to spend money. And that seems totally rational. I got a question for you also coming out of this. This news is just broken recently. This is, you know, with your intelligence background,

Should there be an investigation on the leaking of this high-level intelligence sort of opinion that was given to CNN and The New York Times? Is that worthwhile? Is that useful? Should it be something that was not published in those newspapers based on your background? The leak investigation is always such a...

hotly contested and charged issue. And you can tell based on whether people think that the person is a quote whistleblower or a leaker, right? That's one. That's always the way those terms are used is very much whom or what I like and whom and what I don't like. So I think that's a big piece of it. I think that in this case,

You know, the thing about leaks, there's leaks that damage sources and methods that can put lives and national security at risk, and there's leaks that are more political in nature. To talk about the damage done to the nuclear facilities, though, this is, and relying on classified sources to do it and telling the media and trying to shape a narrative, you know, you are breaking your oath to protect classified information, right? So this isn't...

You know, there always are judgment calls about this kind of stuff. Like, is this someone sharing their opinion about whether something's a good idea? I mean, that's generally not something that is a national security risk to classify. But if you're sharing an opinion based on information very clearly that is derived from classified sources, I mean, that is against regulations. You shouldn't be doing it. And no one person in the Defense Intelligence Agency should think that he or she is

should be trying to shape U.S. foreign policy by using the media as attack dogs against Trump based off of classified sources, right? So that's a long way of saying, yeah, I think they should try to chase down this leak. The person should at a minimum be fired. It's very hard to find leakers.

Very hard to prove that someone is a leaker. So, you know, we still don't know who gave the Supreme Court the Dobbs decision, right? So, you know, just to give you a sense of it, yeah, I can say we should find a leaker, but it's very hard to do. And that is a good point because there's only roughly 100 people, and that may be too many, who could have ever leaked that information in the Supreme Court.

How many people do you think, and that's, of course, the Dobbs decision coming out before the Dobbs decision was released, which...

thankfully didn't get Brett Kavanaugh assassinated, but did provoke the motive of until the opinion is published. If you kill a member of the Supreme court, it's scary. Then the opinion doesn't go into effect. And Biden would have had the opportunity because he controlled the Senate at the time to replace Brett Kavanaugh and fear theoretically preserve Roe v. Wade. That was the logic behind why all this was leaked. I believe that,

in addition to putting pressure on people to change their opinions. Let me ask you this. How many people do you think would have had the ability to know and see this report? In other words, when you conduct an investigation, the first thing you have to figure is how many people had eyes on it, how many people had the ability to contact the New York Times, CNN, with a report like this. Is it 100? Is it 1,000? How many people out there do you think would have seen this report to the extent that it is –

accurate that they have conveyed on that report, because that tells you how hard it is to track somebody down just based on how many eyeballs are on it. Yeah, well, it's very tough to know. And remember, there's going to be a lot of different cables coming in and out, damage assessments that are on the classified channels. And so, you know, this is where you get into more of a mosaic theory of what is

How specific was the information and how much of this was someone getting from one report versus another? And without that, I obviously have no access to any of this stuff, so I can't speak to the specificity that was leaked. And that obviously would go toward how easy it would be to catch somebody if they get very clear details that could only come from a really small, like, eyes-only sort of report.

then it's much more likely you're going to be able to find out who is involved in the leak. And the big thing to do is usually you just pull somebody's cell phone records and email stuff. And then you see them talking to a New York Times reporter. Now people get very, you know, again, depending on who's doing it. And the First Amendment starts to get a lot of attention and people talk about the right of the public to know. And this stuff can get messy quickly. But on this one to me,

It's it's egregious. And why why take this to the press to try to undermine the president in this critical moment where we're seeing the Iranians on the defensive and hoping to bring about? I mean, what is Trump trying to do or stop the threat of a nuclear nuclear armed Iran and move the region forward into a more peaceful place?

Yeah, that's a very noble goal. Here's what I would wonder. Are you to the point now where certainly we know Pete Hegseth has been very upset about leaks inside of the Pentagon and to his credit and to the credit of everybody involved in this attack, nobody knew this was close to the vest. Iran seems to have been caught unaware that certainly this news didn't break until Trump went on social media and said, hey, our planes are now out of Iranian airspace. We've successfully attacked all those things.

Here is one thing I wonder. Do you set up fake news sites?

to try to catch the leakers, let them believe that they have some information that you know is inaccurate and start to give information to try to catch the people that are leaking. This is an old counterintelligence technique. And if you put in the system stuff that is untrue but juicy and it finds its way in, then you know based on who you gave that to, right? You flush it out the other side and see. Yes.

Look, I think what's more... To me, what's even more important here is just that the administration is able to... I mean, look, Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense, has been very clear on this. Others have been very clear on this, that they're trying to... That they're clear on this was a massively successful strike, and it has done catastrophic damage to the Iranian nuclear program. And I think just...

The most important thing is, one, that that is confirmed as true with further analysis, and two, they let the public know that because we are the final check on these things. We, the American people, should know what was the end result of this and was it worth the risks that were taken and the involvement here. So I want that transparency from the Trump team. In terms of getting this leaker, I think it's unlikely you'll get him. I think they should try because you want to prevent these kinds of leaks.

And I just think it goes to the mindset of some people who work inside the intelligence agencies that they are they're like operating under some higher power, which is just always get, you know, get Trump, make Trump look bad, whatever that is. And people have gone to prison for this, as we know. People have gone to prison for leaking stuff that really was just meant to make Trump look bad.

On the leaking front, the thing that makes the most sense to me without an intelligence background at all is when you bomb the side of a mountain, it is hard to know how far and the entryways to the facility are completely obliterated and you cannot get in. It is, I would imagine, hard to assess how far into the interior of the mountain the overall damage goes. So in

until you have boots on the ground, which Israel claims that they have had the ability to do, to try to assess how you get back inside. I would think also that if Iran starts to unpack that nuclear facility, that would be very visible and we would be able to go in again and drop additional bombs as needed in the event that we have assessed that we didn't get the full attack

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that we were just running through, Tulsi Gabbard has shared a take on what her intelligence analysis is saying, which squares with what Israeli intelligence analysis has also been saying, different than what CNN and The New York Times reported. New intelligence, this is Tulsi Gabbard, new intelligence confirms what POTUS has stated numerous times,

Iran's nuclear facilities have been destroyed. If the Iranians choose to rebuild, they would have to rebuild all three facilities entirely, which would likely take years to do. The propaganda media has deployed their usual tactics, selectively released portions of illegally leaked classified intelligence assessments, intentionally leaving out the fact that the assessment was written with low confidence.

to try to undermine President Trump's decisive leadership and the brave servicemen and women who flawlessly executed a truly historic mission to keep the American people safe and secure. I'm reading from Tulsi Gabbard's most recent tweet from just a few minutes ago, which says that the latest of the intelligence reports suggest that these strikes were incredibly successful. Buck, I imagine, how many

of these different versions of analysis do you think are being written? Is there 10? Is there 15 daily from all these different analysts trying to look at all the information? How many different versions are there floating around out there? This is its own beast. There are interagency assessments where you have different

entities from within the DIACIA, NSA, NCTC. So would there be like 20 different opinions of exactly what this strike went? More? How many different versions of these reports would be floating around? I don't even know. Usually there's

There's primacy on the issue that a certain agency will have, but even within the agency, they'll refer to them as equities, and they'll say that different groups have equities on this issue, so they have to all agree. This is where you get the bureaucracy. Oh, I would lose my mind over this. Just even talking about it. The bureaucracy of analyzing what the strikes did would just make me throw my hands up in the air. You can basically find any opinion that you want is kind of what I'm getting at,

in terms of the gradation or variation of the success of these strikes. Yes, yes. Well, this is what happened with Cheney and the WMD, by the way, and I know that story better than even the public knows the story because I know the people that were involved in it dated it, is that Cheney heard what he liked. You got invited back down to the White House. Yes. Cheney didn't like the analysis. You didn't do a good job, and your boss got an email saying they've got to replace you with somebody else. It's pretty straightforward.

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Senator Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee joins us right now. Senator, always appreciate you making the time for us. Thank you so much. You got it. I'm so happy to join you. Thanks. How are you feeling about the influx of New Yorkers that you may be getting, Senator Blackburn, based on the mayor's race? Do you have room in the great state of Tennessee if there are good patriotic Americans fleeing your way?

If they are willing to leave New York and Illinois and California and Massachusetts, Taxachusetts, some of these states, and leave behind those Democrat policies and come to a state like Tennessee with no state income tax, then we welcome them.

This is probably a question that I'm sure you get all the time, but as somebody born and raised in Tennessee, it's one of the questions that I get most frequently from others who are born and raised in Tennessee is,

We have data now on the 2024 election, and I know you obviously as an elected official probably have poured over that data. I know you've got a lot of smart people in Tennessee, Florida and Texas. It appears that the people moving are as a whole making the states redder so far. Right. So to allay some of those concerns that might be out there.

Oh, that is so very true. And I meet people every single day, Clay, and they will say, oh, did you really stop a state income tax in Tennessee? And they're amazed. You know, they are accustomed to paying these exorbitant state income tax fees. And then you look at this issue and

that has come up on the SALT tax. And you have California and New York trying to move that deduction to 40.

thousand dollars and say we want it to apply to everybody making under a million dollars a year and they keep trying to expand it and we keep saying no this is an issue for your state legislature if you think the taxes are too high go talk to them tell them it's time for them to start right sizing the federal government

And you don't need the federal or to right size the state government. You don't need the federal government saying, OK, we're going to give you an extra deduction because your states cannot get their fiscal house in order. But people are voting with their feet and they're choosing states like Tennessee.

Senator Blackburn, I see here on a Fox story that you spent some time doing ride-alongs and seeing firsthand what the mission of Immigration and Customs Enforcement looks like these days. What's going on with it? What did you see and what do the American people need to know about the Trump administration's Interior Immigration Enforcement efforts?

Our Homeland Security investigators and our ICE agents are working about 75 hours a week right now. They are putting in the time. It takes a lot of time. And in order to apprehend these individuals that have orders of deportation that are criminal, illegal aliens, and meeting with them, talking with them before we started the ride-alongs,

That was so instructive to me. Now, seeing how hard they work as they surveil individuals and make certain that they're in a public space, they're not inside a house, when they apprehend them, it is something that takes a lot of time. We were surveilling someone who was a convicted child molester and had come into the U.S.,

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Senator Blackburn, we just saw that there's people throwing fits inside of the Capitol as the big, beautiful bill advances. There's been talk that John Thune, Senate Majority Leader, is holding everybody there to get the votes done. What's the time frame so far as you can tell? I know there's going to be a lot going on. When are you expecting it to pass? What are you expecting it to look like for people wondering out there? I...

First of all, it is going to be the largest tax cut in American history. That is what this bill will give you. It will make those 2017 tax cuts permanent, the largest tax cut in history. Also, no tax on tips, overtime, and my provision,

which will hold our senior citizens harmless when it comes to paying that tax on Social Security, which I have tried to get rid of for years. So no tax on tips over time, Social Security. In addition,

to that if you are a freeloader a fraudster an illegal alien you do not deserve medicare or medicaid benefits and we are going to make certain that you are removed from those roles

So we can strengthen those programs and have them there for the people that deserve them. So the prospects look very good. Everybody is united in getting President Trump's agenda across the finish line, working out some of the final details, getting some of the final scoring is where we are right now.

And so you expect for President Trump, he's been wanting to get it signed by July 4th or thereabouts. You expect sometime around July 4th? Yes, I think you'll see him signing it by July 4th. Oh, wow.

Excellent. That's really good news. We certainly hope that that gets done. And there are people who would like to get the largest tax cut in history, signed, sealed, delivered by President Donald Trump in time for their Independence Day celebration. Senator Blackburn, are there any last-minute issues that are still being hammered out, or does it seem like a pretty clear path to get that big, beautiful bill done before the Fourth of July holiday?

Oh, there are always some little loose ends that are going to be hammered out, and we're still waiting on some scoring from CBO. And as I say, why do we wait on these people? They're always wrong. Their numbers are never right. So we'll finish with those details during the rest of the day, and then hopefully we can move to cloture tomorrow on this thing. Okay.

Outstanding stuff, Senator Blackburn. We appreciate the time and we look forward to that bill getting passed and President Trump's agenda continuing to be executed. You got it. Take care. Bye now.

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He has got an idea. We talked about Alcatraz and the fact that I'm one of the greatest swimmers ever and that I could easily swim across San Francisco Bay, and I'm glad that all of you agreed with that. And there now is talk.

that Florida is going to do their own version of Alcatraz, except it's going to be called Alligator Alcatraz in the Everglades. Listen to Cut 23. Florida's been leading on immigration enforcement, supporting the Trump administration and ICE's efforts to detain and deport criminal aliens. The governor tasked state leaders to identify places for new temporary detention facilities. I think this is the best one. As I call it, Alligator Alcatraz.

This 30 square mile area is completely surrounded by the Everglades. It presents an efficient, low-cost opportunity to build a temporary detention facility because you don't need to invest that much in the perimeter. People get out, there's not much waiting for them other than alligators and pythons. Nowhere to go, nowhere to hide.

This is actually a brilliant idea. I give credit to the state of Florida on this because historically, this is why places like Alcatraz existed. You surrounded them with very difficult barriers for prisoners in the event that they were to escape. I feel pretty good about the difficulty of anybody getting out of alligator Alcatraz. As a Floridian, are you 100% behind this idea?

Certainly getting a lot of attention, and you need places where you can hold people, quickly process them, and then get those deportation proceedings going. You look at the numbers, and I know the Trump administration is moving rapidly on this stuff, but when you see the flood that happened under Biden in four years, it's going to take some real doing here.

to begin to really chip away at the illegal invasion that happened in the country. But yeah, the thing about alligators, during the daytime, they'll leave you alone for the most part, not too bad. It's really at night that you wouldn't want to be trying to go up to chest-deep water in the Everglades and hope that you don't make some new friends you weren't intending on. That would be tough.

There's also crocodiles. And as he mentions, pythons, anacondas, there's like basically anything can live in the Everglades. And they do these python searches. I mean, there are 20 foot pythons now. They do python hunts. Yeah. Well, those are an invasive species brought here as pets. The pythons are pets that were brought here and released.

iguanas were pets that were brought here and released. Iguanas are everywhere. You'll see iguanas all over the place here. A lot of the smaller lizards as well, they're not indigenous to South Florida. They were brought here as pets. So that's why when you go to places and they say, did you bring any animals or livestock products or whatever? Because if you introduce some of these things into the ecosystem, I think lionfish as well, which you can go and you can kill as many lionfish as you want down here in Florida, and you can...

I think you can eat them. They have spines on them. They're very poisonous. Parrots are there. I live next to flocks of wild parrots now. They're all over the place here. Those were brought here as pets. So a lot of stuff that you think of. And you know what is not native to Florida or you will not find in Florida? Flamingos.

Have I talked to you about this before? People think of, there are thousands of businesses and places. There's a Flamingo Park here in Miami Beach. Flamingo is everywhere as a concept in Florida. Flamingo lawn ornaments, we've all seen them. Clay, the flamingos that most people think of when they think of Miami were actually a flock of flamingos brought from Africa at the racetrack in the intro of Miami Vice.

And everyone thought from that show, because there's flamingos at the racetrack, there must be flamingos in Florida. There are very rare, like a handful of occasions where they think that maybe during severe weather, flamingos have basically been like blown here. But there are not indigenous flamingos in any numbers in Florida, which I think even shocks some Floridians when they find out.

The most successful, most liked invasive species in American history, bees. It's crazy. People don't realize it. There were no bees, no honeybees in the United States or in the Americas until they were brought over from Europe. By the way, another crazy one. Tomatoes, not native to Italy. We all think about tomatoes because so much of their cuisine involves tomatoes. Not native.

So they say now that they think there are up to 100 flamingos in the state of Florida that may have been blown here during Hurricane Idalia.

But there's been a long period where there were no wild flamingos here. So now there's like a very small colony of them. But, you know, I'm down here. You see pelicans all over the place. Yeah. And they're not as famous. But flamingos are the things you think of as Florida. They're not really here. But, yeah, so that's...

It's like the state bird for a state that barely has any of these birds. By the way, breaking news that does not have anything to do with international politics, but does have something to do with New York City in the wake of the Democrat primary. Both sides have have rested their case in the Puff Daddy, P. Diddy, whatever you want to call him, Sean Combs, sex trafficking, for lack of a better way of describing it, case.

And that has now gone to the jury. So this is a big story. New York City, you and I have both. I think we're in agreement on this.

They've dropped some of the charges now because they thought they were complicated before they even got to the jury. I don't know that we're going to get a not guilty verdict. I think based on following this entire case, I don't think they've proven that this is a crime. I don't think they're going to get a unanimous jury verdict. Now, I was wrong on the New York City mayoral race. Maybe I'll be wrong on this. There's eight men on the jury.

And basically this case has been boiled down. We'll probably talk about it some tomorrow now that the jury's got it to was this coercive or consensual activity that these women were engaging in and

And I don't think you're going to be able to get all of the jury to agree that Puff Daddy is guilty here based on the evidence and what I have seen of the testimony. Are you in agreement with me that you expect a... I'm not saying not guilty. I'm saying I don't think 12 people or the total number of jurors here, I think it's 12, will agree to these charges. Yeah, he's definitely guilty of being a scumbag, but that's not what the statutes are that are at issue. That's right. And I think that that is...

This could be a shock to a lot of people. Now, remember, we had on Dershowitz who agreed with us in the broader sense but said they may just convict him because he's such a clearly bad guy, but on appeal it will be overturned. That's another possibility, but definitely not an open and shut case, and I would not put a lot of money on a guilty verdict here. We'll give you the latest on that tomorrow.

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