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Hello, and welcome to The Daily Show Ears Edition. This is Ashton Womack. I am a writer for The Daily Show, and we are back in the podcast studio with none other than Charlamagne Tha Guy. Welcome. Ashton, what's happening, brother? Ah, chilling, chilling. I want to talk to you about this piece we've been working on. Wop, wop, wop, wop, wop. I'm biting fucking mug. Let's do it. Let's do it. This piece is very fun. I'm always interested in the ideas that you come in and bring. Last time we talked about DEI. This time, we're talking about your In My Opinion piece about the Democrats messaging to voters.

Before Democrats even worry about explaining their side of an issue, they need to learn something more basic: how to talk like real people. Yeah. And I'm sure that's possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sure that's possible because you know who's good at it? Toes-nut-ass Republicans! The Biden administration sucks. They're communists, they're Marxists, they're radical left Democrats.

They're sick people. There were riots burning down the country over George Floyd. And I'm really sick and tired of the bullshit annex I have to deal with constantly. You see that? You see that? Congress could pay off the whole deficit by giving Marjorie Taylor Greene a swear jar. Yeah.

Tell me, what was the inspiration for the piece? What about their communication is not getting to Charlemagne? The inspiration for the piece was the fact that Democrats suck at messaging. The fact that they don't talk like normal people talk. And it's not about dumbing down. Like I saw somebody say that. Somebody say that they were like, why do they have to dumb down? It's not about dumbing down. You can be the smartest person in the world, the most intellectual person in the world. If you don't know how to message what you know, what's the point of having all that intelligence?

Part of being intelligent is being a great communicator and saying what it is that you know in a way that people can understand. Make the message palpable to the people so we can actually agree with that. That's right. And I think for the past year, what we've really been seeing

When you have a person like a Donald Trump, you know, with all of the criminal charges, with the four years we saw him in the White House, we saw him lead an attempted coup in his country. He says things like he wanted to terminate the Constitution to overthrow the results of an election. We've seen him do all of this wild stuff. But yet,

he still could possibly win in November. That means that President Biden and his administration, whatever they're doing, they're not messaging to the people in a way that the people can understand and know, okay,

This is who we should absolutely ride with in November. Trump's more sincere about his lies than Democrats are about their truth. And I can tell you simple ways of why their messaging is better. You know, they can say the border's fucked up. We got to close the border. People are coming into this country undocumented.

Things aren't safe. Right. And people will hear that. Like the people in communities will hear that. But more and more and more importantly, they'll feel it.

I tell people got mad at me back in January because I was doing an interview and somebody, a dude from Fox News, Joseph asked me, the Fox News digital guy asked me, do I think the border is going to be a problem come November? And I say, yes. And the reason I said yes is because I'm talking to people and people are telling me like whether it's activists in Chicago and they're like, you know, we hate that these migrants are coming over here and getting resources that, you know, homeless people here have never gotten or.

Poor people on the South Side have never gotten. I'm talking to people here in New York and they're telling me about how, you know, their neighborhoods are unsafe because they're being overrun by gangs that are coming in, you know, from the border. And like, I'm like, wow. When Mayor Eric Adams closed the school down for a day and made all the kids do remote learning while he housed the migrants for a night. Mm-hmm.

Stuff like that pisses people off. Like, you know how many people were calling the radio station mad about that? And I'm telling you real conversations that I had with people, not just on the radio, but people telling me in my eyes, looking me in my eyes in tears, wanting me to say something about what's going on in their neighborhoods or listening to these activists in Chicago when they're telling me what's going on. So when I repeat that,

The left MSNBC says I'm spreading MAGA messaging. You know what I mean? Meanwhile, I'm just talking about, I'm just saying what the people are saying. But guess what? You know who had been saying that? Republicans. Yeah, they've been already. So when Republicans were doing things like putting, you know, the migrants on the buses and on the planes and sending them to the sanctuary cities. And then now you got people in these sanctuary cities like the mayor, Eric Adams, and they're like, yo,

No more. We can't do it. Send them back. Yada, yada, yada. When you got Vice President Kamala Harris saying, yo, don't come over here no more. You got President Biden saying, don't come over here no more. So when stuff like that happens, it makes it seem like conservatives had it right the whole time. That's just good messaging. No, no. Now, I hear you on that. I want to say, I hear you say Democrats, they're ignoring the crisis. Conservatives, they say that, but they also add the racism part in it. That's like, how can you take the Republicans' message forward

At its whole value. Yes, they're talking about a problem like the border crisis, but they're also dragging in what feels like racism into it. How do you separate that? You're absolutely right, but you don't. And I'll tell you why you don't. Because everybody gets what they want.

from whatever message you're delivering. All they're saying is something needs to be done at the border. That's it. So everybody will have their own different reasons as to why they think something should be done at the border. Yes, there's a lot of, you know, Republicans who are just rooted in racism when it comes to it. But...

Most people that I know, I'm not even talking about the conservatives, just people that I know that are feeling the brunt of what's happening at the border right now are people who, you know, feel like migrants are getting more resources than that they've never gotten. And because they feel like their communities are.

So people will forget what you did. They'll forget what you said, Ashton. They'll never forget how you made them feel. So it's just a feeling. So when you can tap into, you know, the language that reflects someone's feelings, you got them.

You got them. And Democrats just haven't learned how to get them. It's just that simple. I feel you. It's the sanitized language they use. It's the talking in circles. They just do word salads to us and it feels like we get nothing from them. Meanwhile, Republicans can come out and be like, these Mexicans, am I right? And they'll be like, yeah. I totally feel it. And it's wild, right? Everybody wants border security. It's not like Democrats don't want border security. Everybody wants border security. They just want it

They want documented immigrants. Right. Like it's really that simple. They want it. They want to be able to know who's coming in this country, why they're here, where they're at, all of that. We know that both parties, you know, say that's what they want. But one party, the Republicans will say, build the wall. Right. And the Democrats are like, no, don't build the wall.

But it's like, why are you saying that? You know that there needs to be some type of border security, whether it's a wall, whether it's a fence, whatever it is, you know, it needs to be some type of border security. You just want it to be in a humane way. And you want to be able to treat these, you know, individuals coming across the border like people. But it's like, yo, they lose, they lose, they lose the fight.

And they both do this to each other. I'm not even going to say it's just Democrats. They both lose the fight because they're too busy worrying about who's going to get the credit for closing the border. Not closing, but getting the border under control. Yeah. As opposed, you know, they're worried about getting the credit as opposed to just, you know, doing something for the people. Well, and I mean, I'm not no, listen, I'm not no Biden fan.

caper, no nothing. I'm just a black man in America. But what was it? What just happened? Trump basically told the Republicans, yo, Biden is about to do some immigration reform at the border. Don't do it. Don't do it. Absolutely. Wait until I do it. So even, you know, and maybe that's a better messaging strategy

From Biden, him being like, hey, I'm trying to bring some more control at the border, but Trump is telling his own people to stop it. He could be absolutely better on letting people know. I tried. You know what Biden should have said? What? I thought you wanted to build the wall. I'm trying to help you finish building the wall. I'm trying to build your wall, dog. Let's build the wall. Did Biden start saying build the wall? I'm serious. I'm trying to help you build the wall.

Let's build the wall. Because all build a wall is symbolism for we need to get the border under control. Yeah, but then we got to watch it, dude, because, you know, then also kids in cages, which is just a metaphor for the... Kids in cages wasn't around since President Obama. No, I know.

So it's like everybody needs to stop trying to politicize things and actually try to get things done for the American people. And the things you are getting done, you just got to know how to message correctly to folks. Absolutely. Or even the things you want to get done, you got to know how to message correctly to folks. Yeah, no, that's...

optics and messaging is literally 99.9% of the battle. But speaking of, we were talking about Trump and GOP, but I want to talk about Trump appealing to Black voters and his messaging to Black voters. In the piece, we talk about how some Black voters lean towards Trump because they appreciate when someone sounds authentic, even when they're lying. Do you think Trump's authenticity or bravado, is that more appealing to people than actual policy? I don't know. And I don't believe that, you know, Black people are leaning towards

Donald Trump. I think all those poll numbers are overstated. I think what you might be getting right now is just the natural frustration that a lot of Black people feel around this time of year. And by the way, I don't even know nobody who's ever been polled. You ever been polled? No, I've never been polled. I've never... No one's asked me a single question on my poll. And I didn't get polled here when I got hired. It was like, yeah. That's what I'm saying. So who are these Black people that they talking to? I don't see...

I think the last number I saw was like 22% of black people. That is always... Whenever you see Republican numbers for black people, just know it is skewed. It's a right-wing think tank. It is fake. Black people support Democrats in over... We're the most consistent voting bloc for Democrats. And it's like...

hands down every single year. So it's almost, it's almost, it's really patronizing when people act like black people are, we're becoming the reason why Trump or Republicans are going to win when it's,

It's white women and white men. That's right. I don't even know why they keep trying to push Trump on us. It's like, nah, bro, that's y'all niggas. Don't do that. Like Donald Trump is the Frankenstein monster of white supremacy. Like that's y'all. Like they ain't got nothing to do with us. Okay. Like everything that y'all are experiencing with Donald Trump is what happens when privilege goes unchecked.

Like, it ain't got nothing to do with us. I don't know why they even try to keep pushing Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, black people. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, speaking, I think that goes directly to a question I was going to ask. How does black Republicans messaging to black people work for you? Because I'm going to say, I know the pieces about like how Republicans messaging is a little bit better. But personally, I think black Republicans messaging is god awful. It's terrible.

Yeah, it's different, right? Because I think one thing that people aren't making a distinction with is, you know, what a conservative is and what this new MAGA shit is. And there's a difference. And, you know, the Republicans who are just allowing MAGA to take over their party and they're allowing, you know, MAGA to become what the Republican Party is. It's like, man, y'all are losing a lot of, you know, real conservative values for this extreme, you know,

right wing shit and you know Republicans on the flip side will say well the Democrats lost us because they got people that are too far left so I think what you need right now is for people to just come back in the center like you need more moderates on both parties because when I hear I've heard black conservatives talk throughout the years I know plenty of black conservatives I know

mad black conservatives before this MAGA stuff, they didn't sound as ridiculous, you know, back then as they do now because most of them just do that because of the economy. It's all financial. Black Republicans. Most Republicans I know, period. I'm 100% with you. All my uncles who are being Republican, they just...

They money. They just like money. They like Trump. That's it. Trump stand on business. I'm like, half of his businesses are bankrupt. He ain't standing on not too many, but that's my uncles. They are attracted to literally what you just said. Money. It's a conservative thing. By the way, everybody...

is attracted, I don't even want to say, it's not even about being attracted to Trump. Once again, people will, they'll forget what you said. They'll forget what you did. They'll just remember how you made them feel. People felt like there was more money in their pockets when Trump was in office because of 2020.

But people forget it was a pandemic here. It was motherfucking COVID. It took millions of people to die for you to get that stimulus check. And that's great. It took millions of people to die and an economy to shut down for you to get those PPP loans and whatever other small business loans you was getting. But nobody cares. To what we were just talking about, about the racism with the border, nobody cares because they only care about how they personally feel. So they got that check that said, oh, Donald Trump on it?

and it was some extra money and they got that twice. These PPP loans, I'm from Moncks Corner, South Carolina. You know how many people I know who got PPP loans, who got trailers now? Who were able to get some renovations done on their house? Like seriously. Not even, hey, there's no, everybody I know, everybody.

Everybody I know, millennials, Gen Z, struggling. Job market's terrible. Everybody I know, they got those little checks. It was the first time I've ever seen in my friend's life light in their eyes. Freedom. They were like, I've never been happier than the little moments I was getting those checks. People were saying it was free. They were just giving out free money. You didn't have to work. No.

People died for that money. And by the way, that's the only way that's going to happen for you again, is if there's another pandemic. And we don't want that. And I'm going to tell you something else. Democrats have a very elitist attitude when it comes to those stimulus checks. I've talked to so many, you know, left-leaning liberals, Democrats who are in media. And I'm not going to say any of their names, but they've said things to me like,

If you can be moved by a $1,500 check, a $1,200 check, whatever it was, then I don't want to fucking talk to you no way. And I remember telling that person, you...

are out of touch with what's going on in the hood, my brother. You are out of touch with what's going on in our communities, man. These people are struggling. And you've been rich too long. If you think $1,500 ain't going to change somebody's day. Fucking life-changing money. Life-changing money. Give somebody $200 right now. Just watch the joy. $1,500? That's right. And guess what? You know how ridiculous you have to be

to ignore what you're seeing in front of your eyes. And what I mean by that is you're saying that those stimulus checks couldn't be that effective, but people are still talking about them four years later. You know who knew how impactful they were going to be? Donald Trump. That's why he put his name on them. I didn't.

That's why he put his name on him. And I know that's facts because when I was 13, I think it was 13, 11, George Bush dropped, he dropped some check. Bush Bucks. Bruh, I remember that only come, I didn't get a single dime for that. Me neither. My mama, my mama was so happy. Ash, I knew nothing about, but,

By the way, I knew nothing about politics. I wasn't even concerned about politics. But I remember in the hood when everybody was getting bush bucks for the same reason you just said. Because everybody, my daddy, my aunt, uncle, everybody was like, yo, we just got, I think it was like $1,100, $1,200, something. I don't even think it was that much. I think it might have been like $700.

I thought it was like 300. I don't even know. I don't even know if it was in the thousands. I just remember everybody was so excited that they was getting them Bush bucks. I remember my mama fixed the alternator on her Mustang and I ignored all the shit that all the racists was talking about. You know what I'm saying? Completely. I was like, yeah, y'all right. No, no. I'm able to ride to school now. I got to ride to school now. Y'all can say whatever the fuck y'all want. Because of Bush bucks,

I said that President Biden needed to hold like a big town hall. He needs to have, of course, his vice president with him. But he should have all his like all the surrogates that people actually appreciate. Right. Like the Governor Shapiro's, the Westmore's. I would even have congresswomen like Jasmine Crockett and AOC. I would make it a big spectacle. And I would say, look, man, I know.

I know that the American people are hurting right now. I want to give you all a little something for your gas and your groceries. So we're about to go to Congress and ask to pass this bill to get all of y'all another STEMI, another stimulus check, $1,200, whatever it is. Make it a big, big, big, big spectacle because you know they're going to turn it down. So when they turn it down,

You make big noise about it. We tried to give y'all more money, but the Republicans in Congress won't vote for it. But we want to give y'all more. Next time Biden come up there to say you ain't black, you got to drop that into his ear. You got to drop that into his ear. But that's messaging. No, yeah. That's marketing. And Biden, you know, we got an old ass president. Don't...

I feel like old people like to give away money. That should be every time I go to my grandma's house, I'm getting money. So like with them, uh, with them, whether it's a, with the words is originals. Exactly. She pulled a 20 out of titty and she's making me get some, uh, see, we're going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.

We're back with Charlamagne Tha God. Right now, your voice is an important voice specifically for black people. Democrats, Republicans, they like to use you as, I think, like a, I don't want to say a litmus test for what black people are thinking, but they use you to go for when they want to hear what black people are thinking. And I noticed that

Whenever you criticize Democrats, Republicans love to pick it up and frame it in a way that makes it seems like you're pro-Trump. How do you feel about trying to navigate this current landscape while criticizing the Democrats without...

being used as a mouthpiece for the Republican Party. It's how they really want to frame it on their end. How do you feel? I talk about that in the book, Get Honest or Die Lying. But I mean, what you said is absolutely true. But there's honestly nothing you can do about that because I don't even get mad at the right for doing what the right does. I know the right has a narrative and their narrative right now is that

Black people are supporting Trump, like, you know, people are the black people are leaving the Democratic Party to support Donald Trump, which I which which I believe is very overstated. So anything that pushes that narrative, they're going to run with. So if I go on a TV program, whether it's The View, whether it's This Week ABC, and I can say.

Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. I can say Donald Trump let an attempt to cool his country. I can say, you know, Donald Trump wanted to terminate the Constitution over the results of an election. I say this everywhere I go. There's no place I go where I don't say that verbatim. I saw you say it on Gutfeld or one of them shows. And I'm going to get to that. But I can say that. And then somebody will say, well, what about Biden? Well, Biden is an uninspiring candidate with no main character energy. Fox News is going to take that.

and run that over and over. When I was here on The Daily Show and I said Joe Biden need to step down, I didn't say nothing that David Axelrod didn't say. I didn't say nothing that, you know, millions of other Democrats haven't at least thought about

are said out loud things we everybody is thinking absolutely literally what we're all thinking that's right if he if they're not a winnable ticket which we don't know if they are this time around but if we don't think they're a winnable ticket the stakes are too high to play so maybe he should step down I said that here Fox News will take that run with it 100 miles per hour then what the left does instead of actually going to watch

everything I said in this totality and taking what they need to push their narrative, they respond to Fox News narrative. And then all these freaking digital dickheads on social media start attacking me because of the headlines that Fox News is putting out there. But I'm saying everything you need about Trump as well. And I'm posing questions that we should at least have a discussion about. CNN should at least have a discussion. Is the Biden-Harris a winnable ticket? Is Biden the best bet? You

You know, for November. And by the way, the only reason I even brought that up was because Joe Biden himself said he thinks it's about 50 other people who can beat Donald Trump.

in the Democratic Party. So if that's the case, where they at? Let me, let us at them. Where they at? So there's really nothing you can do about it. The only thing I would encourage, you know, left media to do is push the narratives that you need to push out because all you're doing is amplifying propaganda. You're taking what Fox News is saying, amplifying

amplifying, you know, amplifying it. And now everybody's like, Charlamagne supports Donald Trump. I never said that. I went on The View and Sonny said to me, you know, this is not the time to sit out. I never said I was sitting out of an election. I never said that. I just said, I'm not telling people who to vote for. Yeah. It seems like if you criticize the Democratic Party, that automatically makes you pro-Trump, which is like the basic, like third graders politics. But you have a unique ability to, it seems, you seem unbothered by it.

I don't give a fuck. I'm hip hop. It feels like it just goes straight to you. I've had way worse things said about me. Hey, please. You think I care about that? Fucking Birdman came and pulled up on you. Also, I know the truth. And it's not like the truth is not out there. That's why the public be confused. Because the public is like,

What? Charlamagne ain't never said to support no Trump. Like, you go look in my comments, equal opportunity hate from both bots. I got Republican bots telling me to get Democratic dick out of my mouth. And I got Democrat bots telling me, Democrat bots saying this is the type of rhetoric that's going to get Donald Trump elected. That is. And by the way, let me tell you how stupid the Democrat bots are. At least the Republican bots, if I post something about Trump, like the other day I posted about

Project 2025, which is something else I always talk about, right? All the Republican bots, you Democratic shill, you work for Joe Biden. How does it get off your knees over and over and over and over? The Democrats, I can post about, I can post that I love Rhapsody's new album and it'll be Democrat bots in there. This is the type of rhetoric that's going to get Donald Trump elected. They don't even know how to use their bots right.

That's how bad their messaging is. They don't even know how to use their bot strike. But to your point about what you said about Gutfeld earlier,

I went on Fox News and said the same exact things that I've been saying about Donald Trump everywhere else. And that's when it goes viral. Now, it was funny. That's when finally the left media is like, wow. I watched one YouTube video because I love YouTube reaction videos. I love when people like react to things. I watched this one person on YouTube say,

I guess we're going to have to start calling Charlemagne Charlemagne the broken clock. The broken clock is right twice a day because he went on Gutfeld and I don't know what's changing his tune. I don't know if it's his sister Angela Rye because they so close or I don't know if it's because of the backlash he gets on Twitter, but he went on there and said Trump was a threat to democracy. I'm like, oh

I've always said that, you idiot. Just go watch the rest of my other segments. That's it. You can't pull up one interview, one conversation where I have not said that. Well, we live in the headline age. We live in an age of, you know, I'm scrolling. I'm not going to watch this whole thing. That's a chapter in my book as well. What chapter is headlines? Headlines is chapter, uh,

20. Okay. So now we talked about this piece I mentioned earlier in the podcast, and it was based off of a chapter in your book, chapter... I believe it was chapter seven? Yeah, Language of Politics is there, chapter seven. So the book, obviously, go get it everywhere. We're going to get honest or die lying. There was a chapter in it that really stuck out to me. It really... I see...

how we're very much similar. You're a fan of Aaron Magruder. Oh, that's my guy and a great friend. I found that out by reading the chapter in the book about, it's a chapter, I don't want to spoil too much. It's called Death of a Nation. Aaron Magruder lends his pen to your book for a while. And it's very poignant. You know, you miss Aaron Magruder's perspective on just everything. What is that relationship like? How cool is that to have Aaron Magruder? I think that Aaron...

for a lot of black men is kind of like what Jay-Z is to a lot of black men. If you're a certain age, like what Dave Chappelle is, you know, because there's certain people that speak for us at any given moment and really,

hit on the head, what we're feeling, what we're thinking, the things that we're saying. And when we see these things in, you know, you know, mainstream America, you like, whoa. And I think Aaron is that when it comes with, when it comes with, uh, with the boondocks, you know, the boondocks is a great comic script that he used to write. Um, you know, he has graphic novels, but you know, a lot, a lot of people know it because of the cartoon that was on adult swim. First three seasons that Aaron did fantastic for season garbage. Cause Aaron has nothing to do with it. Um,

But, yeah, me and him connected years ago just because I had a friend named April Bombay and April knew him. And I was like, nobody knows him. He's a recluse. We don't even know. He might not even be real. Right. Like so she was like, no, I know. So she gave me his email. She asked if I asked him if I could get the email. I don't think he knew I was. She was like, yeah, if you could, you could. And so I sent him an email. This was literally.

18 years ago, bro. Literally. Like, this had to be like 07. And I just told him I was a fan. Like, I'm a big fan. I got all the graphic novels. You know, I like the boondocks, cartoon, the scripts. I just appreciate your POV and stuff. And he hit me back and was just like, thank you. The fuck? People answer emails? What the fuck? This was 07. That's all we had. And so, you know, I say about

I met him once and then we kept in touch. But then like about six, seven years ago, I don't even know if it was that long, maybe five. I got to look and see. But he reached out to me because he was getting the Boondocks. He wanted to get the Boondocks restarted. And so he gave me, he had these comic scripts that he was writing. He was back writing the actual scripts and he was like, how do I get these out? And so I was like, yo, let me just put them on Instagram. And that's literally what I did. I just put his scripts on Instagram, went crazy viral.

Then another thing we did, we had Gary, who does the voice of Uncle Ruckus. We had Gary. I interviewed Uncle Ruckus on Breakfast Club as Uncle Ruckus. Yeah, I think I remember that too. Yeah, and so it was trending. It was literally trending and everything. And he looked like Uncle Ruckus in the makeup when he put the- Oh, we didn't even do that. We just did it over the phone. I seen him when he puts the full makeup on.

He looks exactly, he was going to make a movie. Yeah. The Uncle Ruckus movie. The Uncle Ruckus movie. We just did it over the phone and it was trending and everything. And little did I know, Aaron was doing that because he was shopping the boondocks again and they were about to reboot it. And they did with HBO Max. And Aaron made me a consultant producer on it. He didn't have to do that.

You know, he made me a consultant producer on it. And the new season was phenomenal. I mean, the fact that HBO or whoever couldn't get that right is insane to me. But a lot of things happen. Like John Wilsonspoon passed away. Who does the voice of Grandpa? Yeah, but it was when I say it was incredible. No, no, no, no, no. Because because here's the thing about Aaron. And that's why I wanted to include him in the book.

He's one of the most brilliant political minds that we have on this planet. But it's something about and I've asked him this question. It's something about people who do satire where they're able to see the future. They have a level of clairvoyance. When I tell you every single thing that we've seen in politics since 2008.

I'm talking about everything from the insurrection, you know, to what Trump's doing with the Supreme Court. Aaron told me all of that was going to happen. I'm talking about literally. I remember when the insurrection happened that day, he was like, are you seeing this shit? I told you. He literally called it. So if he had the cartoon, you would have saw that. And that's what the new season was about. The Alabama boat brawl. There's so many moments. Uncle Ruckus was a fascist.

was a fascist leader who became mayor of Woodcrest and was a Trump disciple. Yes. No, y'all have no idea. That sounds like the greatest shit in the world.

You have no idea. Because it was supposed to be a movie. It was supposed to be, HBO was supposed to do a movie. And then the series was supposed to come after the movie. And, you know, for whatever reason, things just, you know, couldn't get on the same page. But I just wanted, you know, Aaron's voice in the book because, you know, me and him talk all the time. And these are things that, you know, we talk about. And I was just like, man, yo, forget me talking about what we talk about.

Just, you know, won't you get in, like, sit down and let's map this out for the book. And, you know, that's what we ended up doing. And I'll say this, though. You're going to hear a lot from Aaron Magruder. You know, like, if it's one thing that I'm going to make sure of,

is that, you know, Aaron Magruder, you know, POV gets out there in a lot of different ways. You know, I had him as an executive producer of my talk show here on Comedy Central. Um...

And yeah, he's just a, he's just a, like I said, he's one of the most brilliant political minds that, you know, we've, we've got on this planet, you know, right now. And they're not just political minds. This is a, this is just very in tune about society and human nature. That's what, that's one. The book is great. And the one thing I let that left me with finishing reading Aaron's words. I don't know why every time I feel I watch something of Aaron Magruder, but I always walk away being like, I gotta keep my eye. I gotta keep a harder eye on white people.

That's how I feel every time I walk in. That's real, though. I can't, I can't, I can't. Sorry, I got to tighten up. No, that's real. He's brilliant, man. And listen, I'm going to tell you something else about Aaron. The ideas that he has for TV shows, for movies, would change everything.

Dude, the Uncle Ruckus idea alone, that's exactly what you do for right now. I feel like he's our South Park. Listen, I love South Park, but I love Boondocks even more. Me too. When Jasmine Crocker was on the show, she referenced Uncle Ruckus. Like cultural. Cultural, forever. Think about all the things that have happened over the last few years and everybody goes back to Boondocks episodes. I'm telling you, man, Aaron Magruder. We did not know we had that.

We throw that word around a lot. Genius. Aaron Magruder is a genius. Absolutely. Archetypes growing up. When I was reading comic strips, I was like, I'm Huey and I'm Riley. What about Caesar? People forget about Caesar because Caesar wasn't in the cartoons. Yeah, yeah. I completely forgot about Caesar. What about Caesar? But like I said, it's not the last you're going to hear, Aaron. He's...

He's brilliant, man. Like, and like, there's nothing, I get the privilege of being able to talk to him a lot. So I know his POV on a lot of things, you know what I'm saying? I know his POV on a lot of things. And there's a lot of things that, you know, we, we talk about that. I'm like, oh man, that, you know,

yeah he's gonna be he's you'll you'll see i'm excited it's not gonna be it's not gonna be long either you will see to a fan fan i'm like height like you just telling me the premise of that literally my cheeks are smiling just you know when you just hear something like damn i can't stop smiling that's so funny but yeah no well thank you for giving aaron that platform in the book get honest or die line by charlemagne the god y'all please please please go check it out always a pleasure always a

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