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Enough with the Knicks. We had a whole NBA first round of a draft last night, and we're talking about the Knicks. How does this keep happening? Charlotte, do you have any overall NBA draft takeaways other than you didn't know any of the players and most of us didn't really either? And that's why we're talking about the Knicks, by the way. They did transactions with players we know. I'm asking an NBA expert. Please give me something here.

- Yeah, I mean, I think that it's always the sexier names are what I'm like, oh, the Nick's fun, cool. I think that the, I'm worried about the French. That's what I'll say. I'm worried about the French. I think that in a few years, the French national team, are you guys worried about the French? Let me pose a question to the room. Is this, are the French in a basketball sense scary?

They had a good night. They had a good night, and they've got that extraterrestrial that is going to grow into the most dominant player in the sport if he doesn't get hurt. I just think in a couple years that Alexandre Sarr, Zachary Rissaché, look, they're coming for us. They're coming for us. We have to be ready. We have to be vigilant. And they also are very polished. Just looking at those French guys in the interview room afterwards and their suits look so nice and they sound...

Really smart because it got these French accents. Let's go back to last year when you did this interview for some reason with Wemba Nyama in which you weren't holding a microphone. You were just, or not a microphone that was professional. You just seem and look like a very giddy high school person just holding a rant. Well, because look at this microphone. This doesn't look, this is not the most professional interview Wemba Nyama has ever done. Oh, is that my microphone?

my fault? Is that my fault that we had a little lob that I had to hold up to Victor Wimbinyama? I don't know whose fault it was. Am I supposed to... Is this a BYOM situation? I don't know where you got this microphone, why we didn't give you a better microphone, but let's look at this together and you explain what's happening here. And how do you say remember the Alamo in French? Sorry? Can you say remember the Alamo in French? Remember the Alamo? Yeah. What is the Alamo? It's a San Antonio thing. Souvenez-vous du Alamo?

Thank you so much. Congrats. Have a great night. That is not the Alamo. He thought you said Elmo. What kind of work was that?

that work was being like do you remember the Alamo and he's like I don't know what that is because I've been in America for like two seconds at this point Dan I waited outside the men's bathroom for Victor wambanyama to come out so that I could interview him that was not giddy high school energy that was me flipping out because I was like this feels invasive this guy's just trying to get to draft night but also like content is king and he look how far

far I had to reach. I don't even know if I could hold up a proper microphone for that long. I think it's good I had a lav. This freeze frame is wonderful for a number of reasons. Will you guys look at the look of confusion on Wenbanyama's face as Charlotte thrusts the full extension of her arm and that tiny microphone into his confused face?

Yeah, you know, I didn't get any of that last night, Dan. I didn't corner any tall freshmen by the restrooms. I probably should have tried harder. You were as obsessed as we were with Tommy DeVito's agent when he became famous last year, Sean Stilato. He was with the Pope here recently, and we have some footage somehow of him—I don't understand this—of him giving the Pope a football game.

Tommy DeVito's agent really has made it to the top of sport and religion by giving this football to the Pope. How does this happen? What is happening here? There's an old Italian children's storybook. If you give a Pope a football, he'll ask for a helmet. And then if you give him a helmet... Now, look, I don't know. This guy's everywhere. Sean Stilato is...

Okay, thank you. Sean Stilato is like, he is still riding this high of Tommy DeVito having like four good games last year. I saw this on Instagram because I follow Sean Stilato. Remember when we interviewed him? That was fun. Anyway, I followed him on Instagram and he posted that and I was like, okay, well, he's reached his final form. Do you think the Pope has ever held a football before? Yes. Charlotte, my culture is not your content. My bad.

It's probably all the food bowl, but not a football. I think Jim Harbaugh was actually in the Vatican like two months ago. I shudder to think what that conversation was like. Did he give the Pope a football? I'm pretty sure the Pope has received several American footballs.

Charlotte, how do you feel about knowing that in the NBA now there is a Nikola Jokic, a Nikola Jovic, and a Nikola Topic? Listen, Jeremy, don't let this go to your head. I retweeted your tweet about that. Oh my God, you did? Thanks, Charlotte. Yeah, you're welcome. I know. Once again, not to brag. Look, there are so many, and I like the Bojan Bogdanovic and Bogdan Bogdanovic and Boban Marjanovic. See, this is... It's tough. You got to worry...

What? It's tough. It's tough. Did you say stop? No, you're allowed to stumble over some of that. You were trying to say it quickly and it's quite the tongue twister. I don't blame you for stumbling there. What do you guys think the Pope... I thought I did a pretty good job. What do you guys think the Pope wears underneath the robe? Like some skims maybe? Football pads? Skims? Skims? Like a partnership? Like an influencer? Maybe some khaki shorts like Jim Harbaugh? What's going on under there? They have garments, I'm pretty sure.

Women's underwear. Now you're talking. That's una fatal repeto, I think. I just wanted to put that out there. I think that felt like una fatal repeto. It is. It is.

It is. Falta de Repeto is Spanish for that's a lack of respect. And that's indisputably a correct accusation to file at me. I'm just curious. It is. It is disrespectful for me to suggest that underneath the cloak and the repressions, there is a freak screaming to get out. It is not respectful. You are correct.

I'm Jewish, so I would like to be excluded from this whole narrative. You know, you just saw it. You give a pope a football. I would give a rabbi a football. I think more clergy should carry footballs around. I think it would be pretty funny if in the middle of a service, he's just like, you know, Baruch atah Adonai, and go long, and just like chucks it into the...

It's not an audience. What do you call it at a religious service? The crowd? A congregation. Harbaugh gave him a helmet, by the way. So we need someone to bring over some shoulder pads next. Charlotte. So has he ever received a football before? Question still stands. Darla.

Dalton Necht fell in the draft. Sorry, I apologize. You're right. Dalton Connect fell in the draft all the way to the Lakers. And so having an older player that is probably going to perform well right away in the league combined with being a white guy on the Lakers, how much oversaturation in the media do you expect on Dalton Connect?

Haven't we already had it? I feel like all I've heard since the draft is about Dalton connect, which to be fair, falling to 17. Like I do think that I thought he was going to go higher, but I, it is too perfect that JJ Redick becomes the head coach of the Lakers. And there is a white guy who shoots threes and he from a school in the South. And he's like, well,

you know, let's just run it back. If I can't be out there on the court, at least I can, I can have someone as my proxy. But I do think Jeremy, you're right. He's, he's 23. Like he's going to play, he's going to play well. And then there are all these, I think the big takeaway from that video besides, you know, who are these guys that we played in the beginning of that draft class is that they all look very young because they're all like 18 years old and 18 and

Maybe I'm just old now, but I don't hate the idea of someone who's... No, they look it. They look it. Those look like... A bunch of those photographs or the video that you just showed me look like a bunch of high school kids is what it looked like. Like very young children. Do you guys know that the Pope shaves more than once every day? Up to three times a day. Is that right? His face? That's what the internet's telling me. Can they not have facial hair like the Yankees who can only have a mustache? Yes.

Oh, I'd love to see the Pope with a mustache. His face, asks Charlotte at Levitard Show. Did you know that the Pope shaves three times a day? The background that you have there, Charlotte, it looks like a bathroom tile in a bad motel. I understand that there is something on it there. There's skyscrapers and skyline on it. But where are you? That looks like bathroom tile.

i think it's supposed to be subway tile with a sepia toned overlay of the new york city skyline across the den and what you can't see is a little bit higher

It says a Dan Levitar with Stugatz. It says a Dan Levitar with Stugatz in like the subway font. So I think this is supposed to be a subway situation. I don't know. I walked in and it was here. And I think whoever made it did a really, yeah, look at that. I'm in a subway. I'm podcasting in a subway. Okay, keep panning out there. Whoever's handling that, keep panning out until it betrays her and you see how flimsy everything around her actually is. Keep panning out. No, it looks good.

Keep panning out. Keep going further and further out. Keep going out so that people can see how it is that nothing that is behind her is actually real, that it's all fake. I'm in a subway right now. Can you hear the trains going by? It is a better background when we can see the NYC thing. Yeah, it is. Too bad we didn't do it that way. Charlotte, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate it.

Oddball. Thanks, Danny. Every day except Monday. That was one too many Dannys. You crossed the line. It was one too many. The fifth beautiful. It's not nice to have someone calling something other than your name, is it, Dan? Be quiet, Iowa. Can you guys tell me, because we have not talked about this yet around here somehow.

J.J. Redick becoming the coach of the Lakers and then doing the bleep off bleep you press conference where he is being maximum Redick and giving up a career that would have been impossible.

exceptional in media and high paying and creative in media and less miserable than coaching will be when he realizes how little control he actually has over the results once the games are starting, no matter how much of a control freak he is and no matter how much preparation he has. I thought that J.J. Redick

Made an exceptional choice for him because media will always be available to him. He can come back to it. The Lakers job does not become available all the time. You get one chance at that. But the journey to getting that job...

Super unusual. And basically he got that job with zero experience going right to the front of the line the way Derek Fisher did, the way that Steve Kerr did, because we associate him with being smart about basketball and we associate him with being smart about basketball because he did a podcast that was good and because he does media well. Went right to the front of the line.

We saw Steve Kerr be very successful that way. We saw Derek Fisher not be successful that way at all. Steve Kerr had his choice of those jobs, by the way, before the Knicks were run well. Steve Kerr could have had the Knicks job or the Warriors job. He chose the Warriors job. It was a good choice. The Lakers job does not become open very often. But like I've told you before, they have finished higher than a seven seed once in the last 12 years.

That is a really hard job he just inherited, and his centerpiece is the oldest player in the league. I suppose you can keep expecting LeBron to be great when you give him a three-year max that's going to pay him something like $70 million in the last year, but I don't know that you can just expect him to be great and healthy into his 40s playing basketball, but

That is not an easy job. He just left an easy job for a job that is much harder in a West where the young people have already ravaged his team. Dan, I think you're going to end up being right on this conversation. Remember you were saying that he was going to have a better –

post-playing career as far as monetarily and things that he would do than in his actual playing career? I think you're on track. No, Dan stumbled into that. He meant in media versus playing in the NBA. Yeah, no one thought he was going to be the coach of the Lakers. No one was like, what if we sprinkle in Lakers head coach into that post-game career? Okay, but I will... Well said. I mean, yes, not very well said. I was out all night at 11. You were out at 11. You were out at 11. I didn't say up to 11. Are you crazy?

You guys know the Pope only has one lung? What? Every Pope? No, not every Pope. As a teenager, a serious infection came upon him and the Pope underwent surgery to remove a lung, a procedure that likely would have been avoided today thanks to advancements in antibiotics. You're just reading about the Pope while we're doing the show? I'm just spackling, Dano. How do you survive with one lung?

He is going to make an extraordinary amount of money, but he just put on the shelf a multimillion dollar property. Like his media job. He had one of the best seats courtside in the media and his sign project. He owned it. It was his. He doesn't he didn't have to share it with anybody. I can't believe, honestly, that he's gotten a better job than the one he had.

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Thunder. We're in a contract here. We've got to do better. So is she. She just signed a new contract. Sound effects got to be better. The sound effects were pretty good. Whoever did that is really talented. Has to be better. I saw that Hallmark. I don't know how the people listening to this feel about Hallmark, but the greeting card industry, a commercial enterprise that basically was simply created to profit off of

emotion. No one does that better than Hallmark. They're associated with syrup and Hallmark is now making a movie. I think it's called a Christmas movie, Holiday Touchdown, a Kansas City love story about Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift. We can play that video now of Travis Kelsey on stage with Taylor Swift. A lot of people loved this because

He's in a tuxedo. He's filled with romance. He's very confident on stage. Clicking the heels. He clicked his heels. Oh, my God. He is very much in love. And I saw the other day that Dave Grohl had the audacity to be, you know, mildly. I don't think he even mentioned Taylor Swift by name, but it seemed mildly critical to the Swifties and fans.

as young people are want to do with any level of age, wisdom or expertise credentials at this point, they dismissed Dave Grohl as a musician. And it's like, what are you doing? You can't, you can't be that ignorant. You can't, well, you can be, but you can't be, you can't be so ignorant as to, as to dismiss Dave Grohl, who has had, who's got wild range and has had successes in multiple places that are,

Hall of Fame Eternal. What are you doing? They've sort of pivoted. There's this popular TikTok going around right now that was like, Dave Grohl is wrong and a reason for that is because he was part of a band and Kurt Cobain would have loved Taylor Swift. I don't think there's anyone Kurt Cobain would have hated more than Taylor Swift. He's super anti-billionaire pop stars. That was his whole thing.

Dave Grohl almost, I'm going to say he introduced me to the idea that music videos could be funny. Everybody was taking them so seriously before. That's where I start with Dave Grohl, just creatively, never mind musically, that he can do everything that you ask him to do on stage.

Learn to Fly. That's such a funny music video with like Jack Black accidentally like doing cocaine on a plane and Dave Grohl's dressed as a woman and a baby and all these things are going on. My favorite Dave Grohl clip ever is him doing an interview with Pharrell and they're talking about Smells Like Teen Spirit and Dave Grohl's like, yeah, I stole all of that from the Gap bands. Everything I've done has all been from disco. It is the best video ever. It blows Pharrell's mind.

when he says it. You see it all click in his head, sort of like those memes where all the math equations are going. He's like, oh my God, you did steal it from R&B. It was also like his comment was very benevolent.

benign, right? Like he was saying that like they don't use backing tracks. So they make mistakes during their live shows. It's like, guys, it's going to be okay. That wasn't like, there's so many meaner things that people say. That one was not one of the top mean things. Attacking Dave Grohl's credentials. You guys have seen this, right? This is happening more and more. Nevermind if you disagree with person A,

exes politics. But if you disagree with old person and young people get to be right on this stuff, because they're the ones in control of what it is that gets popular. So even if they're wrong, they get to be right. But having ignorance rewarded again and again by dismissing people who have these lengthy resumes of credentials, because you don't know who they are and you

don't know that list of credentials, it feels to me like it's happening more and more across all of entertainment, where people who I see who are, I mean, that happened the other day with Stu Gantz here and Bob Costas, where you're just dismissing 40 years of career because you don't agree with something. Kind of like I did to Jeff Perlman today.

Kind of like you did to Jeff Perlman today. Not 100% like the way, but kind of. Well, I'm glad you brought that back up because we were talking earlier. Jeff Perlman is an accomplished author. He writes very good sports books, well-reported, exhaustively worked on.

Right. I don't think that he writes a book until he's talked to at least 100 sources on what it is that he's doing. So you see the reporting in what it is that he does. But Perlman was lamenting something. And Stugatz said to me, he said, you hate what's become of sports coverage where the journalists are no longer objective. And I don't hate it.

I'm just going to keep pointing it out to the audience because I don't want it done quietly. I want people to notice what it is that's happening to sports coverage so that you see the change and you see where it is that people are biased on things because all of the gates have come crumbling down. And when you reward...

as ESPN is doing, Shannon Sharp and McAfee and Stephen A. Smith, for something other than journalism?

You're in the entertainment business wholeheartedly. But ESPN has always been in that. The E stands for entertainment. It's the first word. And then they chose to be in journalism. They did not have to do that. They chose it because they wanted the credibility of newspapers with their sports coverage. But all of these televised products are podcasts.

partners with leagues. They're compromised from the start. That they choose to manage around the conflict of interest is something that I thought was laudable and noble while it lasted. I got used to it. I profited off of it, but I don't expect it to continue being the standard, especially when you get to young people who don't know who Dave Grohl is, not caring about what sports journalism was. They just don't

care about it anymore, and they decide. I don't get to decide. I'm a guy shouting at clouds, so I have to resign myself to it. And Stugatz thinks that I don't like it, but I like entertainment. I've sold myself for the entertainment dollar. I'm hugely grateful for what it is that ESPN decided to do for 20 years that the business didn't have to do because, again, they're business partners with the league. Journalism doesn't work with that. The fact

that they were able to do it for 20 years is amazing to me. - Journalism is struggling for several different reasons, including what you just mentioned there corporately, but is knowing the fandom of a journalist a problem or is that maybe a good thing? Because I think for years before,

We were, you know, calling out journalists for having certain biases towards certain things. Now that's all laid bare. Now we know who people root for. We know their affiliations. We know the teams that they care about. We know that Adam Schefter loves Michigan. We know that Stephen A. loves the Knicks. We know these things. And I don't know that that's necessarily a bad thing. Like, we're all just human beings, journalists.

even throwing their biases aside, are humans influenced by the things that have brought them up? Yeah, I don't think it's necessarily inherently wrong to know if a journalist likes a team, especially if it's not a team that they cover. Adam Schefter's not doing a ton of college football stuff, but

I just think there's fewer jobs where journalists can just be journalists. Now you're incentivized to be part of this entertainment journalist industry. If we were all just not fans of teams, what would we talk about? Part of this whole show's

schtick is like the Heat and the Panthers and like all the local Miami teams and being homers for the Hurricanes and stuff like that. Like there's just fewer straight up journalism jobs now because of all the corporate reasons that have made it a really hard industry to work in. Do you guys know that the Pope before he was the Pope was a bouncer at a bar? That can't be true. With one lung?

Yep. A one lunged bouncer. I wouldn't have signed him if he was like my bouncer going to come in one lung. Give me a break. Put it on the pole, please. Juju at Levitard show. Did you know that the pope was a bouncer once upon a time? And also, would you hire a bouncer that has only one lung? Can you imagine Dalton walking into the bar and all of a sudden the pope with one lung? It would give him a it's a weakness. Kick right in the other lung. Not doing a lot of chasing, though, as a bouncer.

And I don't think you walk up to him and you're like, that guy has one lung, right? Dalton would know. Yeah, probably not. Okay, maybe. Objectivity is an illusion. It's only something that can be aspired to. It is not in any way human. And here's what's funny about that.

Joe Buck, when he's announcing the game, is objective, but nobody thinks he is because everybody watching is not objective. And so he ends up getting swallowed by what people think are his biases and his allegiances when he doesn't have any. And furthermore, is aspiring to the illusion of objectivity on top of that, even though he doesn't have a rooting interest in the game. I do like people's conflict of interests issues.

spoken and shown as opposed to hidden, but then what you get is

is when the Knicks make the playoffs, all of a sudden ESPN is cheerleading the New York Knicks and every other fan base ends up getting upset by that. What Perlman is lamenting is absolutely a seismic shift in how ESPN does business. But it's been slow. It's a slow shift. It's been over many years. And now at the end of it, as these guys cash in,

Keep an eye on what's happening with Stephen A. Smith and the amount of money he wants because all of the money ended up going to the white guys. He built that thing and they're giving all the money to everybody else who's working a lot less. Everyone else there that's getting the money doesn't have to do what it is that he has to do, but...

It pays. Like, the ship has sailed. It's a luxury liner, man. Journalism drowned, and the entertainers are the ones who are going to get all the money. All of it.

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Don Levitard. He seems like a not nice guy, and he's always been a not nice guy. I don't care for him, and I hope he has the day he deserves. Oh. Oh. Let's see. Stugatz. I hope he has the day he deserves. That's how I get people when they're really mean to me. I'm not like, go F yourself. I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve. It's a great kind insult. Yes.

It's beautiful. It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out. That's a less Southern bless your heart. This is the Don Levitas show with the Stugats.

Stugatz, welcome back. I am not generally, as you know, someone who excoriates athletes. I like to enjoy and mock some of the absurdity around sports, but I generally don't spend a lot of time hammering athletes for things so that I got into a controversy last college basketball season when I said of Zach Eadie, I just don't like watching any of what's happening there anymore.

uh... aesthetically it's not even athletically though that too i just don't

love, even as many people don't love the evolutions that there have been in the pro game, of somebody cement-footed who's just bigger and stronger than everyone else, who doesn't exactly play like Shaq while being bigger and stronger than everyone else. In 1985, he would have been the first pick in the draft. So he went ninth last night, but the reason that I just bring this up, because the sport has changed so much that once upon a time, that's the guy you take first. I saw that Florida...

has a commitment from a player who's seven foot nine. I saw on our Twitter account a woman in China who is seven foot five. Are we making these people bigger than we've ever made them? Where are these things coming from that Wenbin Yama is somebody athletically who could do things at seven four that you've never seen? And I don't

know if this seven foot five woman from China or this seven foot nine kid at the University of Florida can actually play but if you're seven foot nine and you don't get injured my guess is in basketball you're gonna have a modicum of success being a foot taller than any of the other people out there. Dan have you seen the videos of this kid Oliver Ryu playing basketball? It looks fake.

He's like head and shoulders and almost stomach bigger than everybody else. And he's grabbing the ball and just turning around and dunking it. It's like, is this AI? How come it's not happening in football? How come there's not one offensive lineman that's like 900 pounds?

There's not like you would think. It is. 900 pounds, you can move like Larry Allen. I'm just saying, I'm surprised there isn't some insane outlier offensive lineman out there. They all seem to be generally 6'7", 6'8", 350. Chris, it was Bacelis. Go ahead and look up. There are freshmen all over campuses who are 400 pounds trying to lose the weight that will make them a defensive tackle at 350 pounds.

There are 400-pound people wandering around as freshman D-tackles out there. Put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Levitard Show. Are we making human beings bigger than we ever have?

Because when I saw the video of the woman from China at 7'5", obviously that was wildly unfair. Every time I saw the basketball thrown to her, I felt bad for all of the players who were on the court with her. But I don't know if someone that size can stay healthy running up and down the court. We talked about...

Bill Walton having 40 surgeries and so many foot problems because it's completely unnatural to put wear and tear on the ligaments at that size. Well, Dan, good news is there's an article about this in Scientific American. Apparently people have gotten taller over the last two centuries, but I'm going to need like 20 minutes to read this and get back to you on why. She's 17 years old. The

the Chinese center. If you're 7'9", it's worth a flyer, right? I mean, it is. Just to see if the kid can hoop. Well, he isn't one of the best prospects, even though he's IMG. He is not as good as you might assume at 7'9", but yes.

Florida is a good program, and he was coveted because I'm going to guess 7'9 and growing if you're just getting to college. I'm guessing that 7'9. I don't know that he is necessarily. You can't keep growing. He's 7'9, Dan. He's 18. It's three inches from eight feet tall.

Put it on the poll, please, Juju, at Levitard Show. Is the 7'9 freshman at Florida going to keep physically growing? It's impossible. What do you mean it's impossible? You get to college. 7'9, Dan. I don't feel like anyone has reached their maximum height by the time they've arrived at college. Well, I did. I believe that freshmen physically, were you this same height? Me too. I was taller. Yeah, I'm shrinking now. You were taller? Yeah.

Because I think of college in metaphorical and physical ways as a time of growth. How tall were you as a freshman as little Danny Levitard? Little Danny Levitard was not yet 6'3 1⁄2". That was not a height I was in college. But I feel like by college, you're only growing another, what, inch?

Or two, maybe? Well, if you're not 7'9". Then you're done growing because you're 7'9". No, if you're growing at the rate of a 7'9 person, I don't think you stop growing upon college entry. Jeremy, I'm telling you, look it up. There has to be a guy who entered college at 6'3 and left college at 6'7". Well, Anthony Davis is the greatest example in high school. Come on, what are we doing here? This video's insane. Wait, that's real? This video is funny. Wait a minute. He looks like he's playing on a Nerf hoop against fourth graders. Ha ha ha.

It's like me playing versus like six-year-olds. It's absurd. Every time Stugatz comes back from a trip, he comes back. You'll notice it in the weekend observations. He comes back with an assortment of travel observations and airplane-specific observations.

specific observations. Did you have any from your most recent travels? Because I feel like I've been denied them recently. People on airplanes have become annoying. I mean, they really have. I don't know what they're doing. Listen, I have a rule. When you take a flight and it's the first flight out, 6 a.m., 6.15, 5.30, do me a favor. Keep the window down.

I'm sitting next to this guy. He's got to have the window up. The sun is shining in my face. I'm trying to sleep. He's taking pictures. Hey, bud, you know what's out there? The clouds, the sun, and the sky. That's what's outside the plane. Why? Because we're flying in the air. Enough with the pictures. Enough with this. Enough with that. You know what, Danny? Here's the other thing.

I caught a guy I had a show on and he was watching the show on my TV. Do me a favor. You have your own TV. Stop watching my show. You have your own TV. Watch it with the volume up. You're watching my TV. You're hoarding my stuff. So he's keeping me awake, okay, because the sun's in my eye because he has to take a picture of the sun, the clouds, a possible mountain range that we fly by. I have no idea.

But you can't do that at 6 a.m. And then secondly, because he kept me up, I started watching TV and he started watching TV with me. What are you doing? Seriously. So I was on a flight back to Miami this weekend and I caught the guy next to me watching my screen. I have zero problem with that. I watch everyone else's screen. Doesn't bother me at all. Get your own screen. But he was in the middle seat. He was pretty large and he kept like elbowing me. So sometimes you'd look over and I look over and he's just going through his...

pictures. That's something we all do on flights. However, he did not turn his brightness down on his phone and he kept nudging me so I look over and this man is just going through nudes. Like just nudes of a bunch of girls. And I'm like, oh!

All right. Wow. Didn't mean to see that. And I'm like, whoa. So he can see that I've caught that glimpse. And so he turns his phone. I'm like, thank God. What a dangerous game, my man. But then he keeps looking over at my screen. He's like a really tall dude, so he keeps elbowing me. And every time he elbows me, I want to look over because you're elbowing me. And he's looking at nude photos. Is there a chance he wanted you to know that he was looking at nude photos? I hope not. But if you're, I don't want to.

I'm not going to say anything about this person, but I hope that the girls out there who are dating them know it's not just you. It's not just you, girly. Make a TikTok about it. But it wasn't like a folder of them. He was just going through his pictures in general, and he just had them saved out there. I said, you got to get an app for that or something. Jeremy just brought up something that I saw happen as well on TikTok when he says you could expose this person online.

I saw recently on TikTok that a woman who saw a husband, a married man, meet a woman at a bar. She then exposed him by overhearing all the entirety of their conversation and giving the details that will absolutely expose that man, not just to the Internet, but obviously to his wife as well. And where did people fall on the doing of that conversation?

of exposing that person that way for an immorality. I don't think it's her job to do that. Like, I think if I were in this situation, if that was happening to me, sure, I'd probably want to know if my partner was cheating on me. But, like, the wife of that situation, you don't know any of the context of it. She could know he's cheating on her. They could have an open marriage. But you have put her...

her information. Well, like she didn't put her information out specifically, but she gave enough information about the flight. With a picture of the guy. It took 30 seconds for his government name to be found out, for his job to be found out, and then all his wife's information is out there as well. And that's something that she probably didn't want out there. And like, you have to kind of let people deal with their relationship privately. Like, I'm not going to tell anybody that the guy was like, looking at other people's news. I don't know

I don't know the situation. Except all of our listeners. Yeah, but no one knows his name. No one knows any details about him except for that he was tall. You didn't post a video of him. I feel like the, I mean, this specific example leaves a very icky taste in my mouth. But, like, just in general, like, the proliferation of filming random strangers in public and posting it and trying to, like,

become involved in their personal lives in some way and like blow it up on TikTok has gotten like really, really weird. And there should be some sort of rules around that sort of thing. But is it weird or is it just the inevitable permutation of people seeking attention and virtue signaling at every turn? Like if attention is the currency of the day and you can virtue signal, look, I caught this cheater and I'm exposing him. Isn't that just sort of the proliferation of what

is happening in general on the internet? Like, how is this inevitable? - It's like, I saw someone make the comparison. It's like when someone films themselves giving money to homeless people. Where you're like, hey, what you're doing is good, but like, why are you filming that? You know, why are you doing this? - Who was it, JJ Watt? - Yeah, like, why would you-- - Wait, now we're showing it on screen on our podcast. - Yeah, so we're doing this as like,

maybe with the information you have found, you can, TikTok found his government name in 30 seconds. Maybe instead, if you really want to help, you find that information out, you don't publicize it, and then you send the hey girl message. Ooh.

You know what we should do is if she's doing relational vigilantism, then what we do is we take her picture and then we put it out there and be like, do you have dirt on this lady? She better be perfect. Eye for an eye. Come on. Yeah, it's the playing out in public that I think is what makes it weird. It's one thing.

I think people are conflating it with this happening in a lot of different ways. Like, oh, I overheard someone talking about cheating on their wife. So I sent them a DM on Instagram. That's not what this is. This person took a video and posted it of someone they don't know doing something that they thought was immoral. Not committing a crime as far as we are aware. Not doing something. Well, it's not a crime. Right. Not doing

something that's in the public interest necessarily. I would say that what she did is more criminal than what he was doing. His was an immorality. It's not against the law. I would say window up 6 a.m. should be a crime. I mean, seriously. Well, I don't agree with you on the idea of video sharing, though. Like, I feel like you could look at somebody else's television. That's allowed if you don't want to hook up all

of your equipment. That's one of the most incredible things of any flight is seeing, going around, seeing who you're sitting next to and what they're watching. Like if, Stu, you're a couple of seats in front of me, I'm like, I don't know what that show is. It's always SportsCenter. Stu Gatz, I'm sorry. Window open for takeoff and landing. I need to know when I'm landing. I was on a flight the other day. I had no idea where we were. I was trying to track it on my little screen and I kind of like just got lost, didn't know when we were landing. All of a sudden,

we landed and I gasped out loud because I didn't know it was coming. It was terrifying because the guy next to me had his window closed. I'm saying it's fine on the landing. I need to know as well. It's the takeoff I'm having issues with. It's 6 a.m. in the morning.

6 a.m. implies, yeah, it's morning. Yeah, that's redundant. It's like Copa Cup. 6 a.m. in the morning. Copa here, cabana there. I mean, enough with soccer. I don't believe that in the history of words being thrown together in the English language, I've ever heard relational vigilantism. I've given you bangers today. That is a banger. Put it on his shirt. It was a solid analyzation. Bangers.

I'm just saying I've never heard it before. I'm giving you credit for unprecedented word choices strung together in the history of words being spoken and put together. I've never heard relational vigilantism put together. Thank you.

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