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Don't let us interrupt you, Billy. Go ahead and enjoy those Cheetos and that soda. We'll get started. Cheeto Puffs? Whenever it is. Best Cheeto Cheeto Puff, right? What's your favorite Cheeto? Can you eat Cheeto? Probably not. I go Puff last. Give me the crunchy one. Give me the just Cheeto. Well, I'm only eating one pack. How many packs do you go through when you eat Cheetos? How does the 1036 a.m. Eastern Time Cheeto Puff bag? It's been a day, man. I got to tell you.

It's fine. I mean, I don't... I'm going to be judged for my diet. No, no, no. A bunch of Adonises in this room? Please, get out of here. I'm not getting you. He's up. I'll put my BMI against anyone in this room. I'm just saying, like, you're going to spoil your lunch with the Cheetos. Today feels like a Mediterranean day, and I'm telling you if I have lamb one more time. I like the Mediterranean days. What I don't like about the Mediterranean days is there's like a little thimble full of tzatziki.

Mediterranean food is just a vessel for the tzatziki. Have you ever seen 30 people try to share a tzatziki sauce in just the ranch cup that you get with wings? It's a little cafecito cup of tzatziki. Now I'm just having lamb without tzatziki? That makes no sense.

Complaining about the free food. Not complaining, just... It sounds like you're complaining. No, I'm complaining about not enough free tzatziki. Less hummus, more tzatziki. Yes, so much hummus. I got more hummus than I know what to do with. I'm being a responsible, grateful adult. I didn't say a single thing. I was just eating my Cheetos. And then I was shamed for eating my Cheetos and asked, why are you eating Cheetos at this time? And it's like, lamb. Okay. That's why.

This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to reveal to the live audience, I'm going to show some leg here on everything that just happened to this show as Billy strolls into the room because we've been doing this too. Joel, I'm being said things, Dan. We can get to that later. Yeah, we'll get to it in a second. I've been wanting to get to your Olympic thoughts and you wander around. You make me beg you for them while eating Cheetos. I was telling you.

a Brazilian cross-country skier that's been in eight Olympics. I'm locked in. No, you're not locked in. You are somebody. Let me tell you how not locked in you are. Only three. Not that impressive.

Also, horrible reality television contestant. That's a story for another day. Put it on the file of things that we'll get to another day. But I want to tell you something as you say you're locked in that was totally lost on all of you.

last segment because we fall into the familiar rhythms with this particular crew of we've been doing this too long and Billy can stroll into the room late and I'll tell you something I don't think any of you noticed because Billy you were not locked in. I definitely noticed someone shit talking BMI which was the first time I've ever been on the receiving end of that banter. I was shamed. I've never heard I'll stack my BMI against anybody. I stand by that.

Well, now we're going to have a BMI stacking. It's a BMI offer. I'll lose to Roy. Roy will BMI meet me. I tried to work that out live. It didn't work out. I think we should do that as an Olympic event. I think I want to get to Billy and how it is that he would cover the Olympics. But I just want to show people what happened during the last segment as Metal Ark tries to figure it out, headed into our 20-year anniversary. I made the mistake.

of kicking Chris Cody out of the room. Don't totally trust him as my executive producer for a lot of good reasons. Kick him out of the room because he's yelling at me. It's number one, Dan, and we were on number two. So I kick him out. And the simple lack of reaction from Roy and Billy, realizing that I still needed fanfare, made Mike trudge with all of his resentment from...

All right, I'll do it again as executive producer. I never wanted to do it this way. And why is Stugatz out of town and why is Dan still turning into content? 20 years is too long to be doing this. Well, the Stugatz resentment is true. Hitting a button for fanfare. To be honest, I kind of missed that part.

That one's easy. I gotta say, it is a little tricky keeping track of these countdowns when you're traffic directing. I empathize with that situation. Hitting a little fanfare when someone's just done talking, that's one of the lighter aspects of this gig. I miss that part. Yeah, but do you miss weekend observations? Not at all. His cadence is all over the place. You think there are periods in the script for a reason. Yeah.

I try to go with the periods, and then I just like, all right, let me follow this cadence. And then it's all wacky. And then like one sentence, he stops after every word. And you're like, okay, that's his rhythm today. And then the next one, he gets nine words in before he stops. It's all over the place. It's just everyone in their car, listening in their headphones, think that they can do the beeps to the weekend observations better than us. It's a lot trickier than it sounds. There's also a delay sometimes because the system crashes quite frequently. And he...

has done a lot of drugs. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah, absolutely. Me too. Yeah. I mean, but he's in his 50s. I started taking something called Alkazine.

Alpha Brain. Is there a Ginkgo? Joe Rogan's tried to sell me that. No, I do the Ginkgo. But I screwed up. You know how we do a bit with Samson and Adnan and they do the top five and always one of them has like 40 seconds left to rattle through. I totally switched up. Who was Adnan for the entire segment the other day? Mike's just like, Samson, I know we never leave you time at the end. And he did it a few times. Just totally forgot the bit.

Midway through, I'm like, Mike, you know it's the op. Are you doing a thing? He's like, what? I hadn't spoken to him in a month and a half. Forgot the bit. So I'm like, I gotta do something about this shit.

So like flaxseed oils and the whole thing. Joe Rogan's alpha brain? Because it's literally called that. No, no, this isn't the Joe Rogan one. This is like, you know, like, let me, he didn't invent alpha brain, guys. No, I just, that's where I heard it promoted. Huberman did. I see the clue. Clearly it was Huberman. Brain supplements have existed before Joe Rogan told us to take them. But he does look sharp.

The thing that I wanted to get back to, because Billy is a he's got a lot of opinions about Team USA.

And I don't want to be denied what could have been that show. I don't even know how many more times we're going to ever be able to do that show. America's national standing has fallen so much in basketball because clearly international play sort of befuddles us, no matter who the players are. And the world has caught up. But we were denied Billy's ability to come in here and I think have the all-time epic

rant that would have been anti-American basketball team. I would never. I think we were a point from being denied that because of how embarrassing that could have been. I'll put my BMI against anyone in this room. Why would you do that? Put my BMI up against anyone in this room? Yes. Because I'm confident. Why? But you backed off the confidence as soon as you thought about it. BMI dick energy, they call it.

You, on Roy, you were flexing on Roy, and then you backed off, and you figured everyone but Roy. Well, Roy's BMI is probably better than mine. I'll put my BMI against anyone in this room. I don't know, man. Sad bot got me. My BMI's got to be a little bit better. I spent the entire weekend sucking my gut in. You know, I saw a video. That's got to be good for something. It said if I drink coconut water every day for two weeks, all my tummy fat would go away. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree? Ooh. No, no.

Roy, you and him leave. Both of you leave. What are you doing? Jeremy, it can't always be the bad joke. Someone one time picked the good joke. That's a topical reference, Dan. He's helping.

He's going to be the president. You don't like my hot take that we're going to follow this Olympics better than any other Olympics we ever had previously just because the way that we cover it is going to be so grandiose and great and accessible. We have all these streamers. We pay so much money. We forget what streamers that we have. Well, now NBC Universal is making it easy so much so that they're like, oh, you just love NFL? Great. Here's some familiar faces. Here's the red zone. Oh, which is your favorite red zone host? You don't have to choose.

Both of them are up there. I think that this is going to be the return of the superstar that is made by the Olympics. Remember, the Jenner name was made by the Olympics. We were a country that every four years we were wondering who the next star is going to be. Who's going to be on the cover of Wheaties? And now, because all these sports are on TV, we've kind of gotten away from that. But I think we're back.

OK, so I forgive me because if it sounded like I lacked enthusiasm for the Olympics, I have always enjoyed the incarnation of our show that sweeps through the summer and is doing a bunch of different stuff that has nothing to do with sports. And so they're very often over the last many years pre pandemic. I didn't feel like the Olympics was something that we enjoyed.

covered very much. But when you bring it from the perspective of Peacock has, what are you guys looking at on this graph chart that is taking all of you out of the show? I'm in the orange. I'm in yellow. I'm looking at the BMI chart and it literally depends on if I had a BM or not. I'm like right in, like if I have a morning BM, I'm in the yellow. Wow.

I don't think that's what BMI stands for. It's body mass index, not bowel movement. But I'm like right there. It literally, I'm just flirting with that line constantly. Okay, well, you said the other day that you went to the bathroom four times in four states. In three states. Whatever. It seems like I'm at 31. It just seems like you're pooping too much. I think I'm at 31 BMI. I mean, isn't that a better problem to have than what I usually have, which is I'm not pooping enough?

I mean, I'm all over the place. Chris can attest. He's in the chat. I had one week where I didn't go. Listen up, folks. The college football landscape has changed a lot. NIL deals, social media, the transfer portal. There's never been more distractions for an athlete. But Powerade knows what's important. The commitment to the game. The game is what matters. With 50% more electrolytes than Gatorade Thirst Quencher, Powerade hydrates athletes as they block out the noise and

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You didn't watch the ending of UTEP Jacksonville State. It was awesome. A doozy. Boom. Stugatz. It's such a lane for you. Just everything in college football is awesome. Any single thing that happens, she gets deliriously happy about. Don't you miss viewing sports through that prism, though? Like, I'm envious of Lucy. Like, I wish that I could still be happy. This is the Dan Levatard Show with the Stugatz.

Chris, as executive producer, do you want to force people to... What's the U-Way, Dan? I want to see where you're at.

And delicate question? I mean, give me a scale. I don't know what I weigh. Although, can you guys help me with this? Because this surprised me here recently. So, like, you saw me inflate and then disinflate with everything that happened around my brother and all that cortisol release stuff. I was, like, physically, emotionally falling apart. The number of people who now are enjoying accusing me of using Ozempic because I've just, like, I don't have the stress of all of that in my life anymore as strongly as

My question to you is why are we doing that one now on shaming people because they might be – not that I'm using Ozempic because I'm not, but like why are we doing that where we're shaming people for not doing the weight loss, the more moral way of being willful over your appetite?

tights more noble i think that there's a lot of backstories into weight fluctuation for example some people might be doing things to their body that might actually be the cause of the weight gain and the cause of the weight gain is actually what's foreign so to subscribe a foreign substance to the weight laws would be removed that other aspect from the equation which i think is a little unfair and i'm speaking only for myself here

There is Ozempic shaming, correct? Yeah, yeah. You're not doing the weight loss the noble way. You're not doing it the way that is just exercise and denying yourself food. It's in the same vein as Mike liking to point people out when they dye their hair. Like, people just want to be, I see what happened. Yeah, you're not doing that. You're cheating.

You want to call it out. Denying yourself food is not the noble way. No, no. Fasting. I mean, well, that is kind of denying yourself food. And there's a lot of science behind intermittent fasting. I did a 72 hour water fast the other day and I was, you know, eager to learn that my white cells would be regenerated. That's something that I wanted to try to do.

It's also a shortcut. That's what America's about, isn't it? No, no, no. You want to rejuvenate those white cells, man. Those white blood cells, I'm telling you, it's a thing. I saw it on IG. Now we're going to object to the shortcut. As soon as fat people start getting healthier. I love a good stomach virus. That's the ultimate shortcut. Oh, dude. That's you. Fuck.

Back in the day. I'm looking good. Swine flu? After a stomach virus. Let me tell you, swine flu. Miserable when I was going through it, but the end result was I could eat McDonald's for at least a year.

If I were to be using something that helped me suppress appetite after struggling for 30 years. Yeah, there's no way to talk about this without sounding like that. I just thought it was weird that people were attacking me for taking a medicine I'm not taking. I'm like, why would you shame people for doing this if they need help losing weight? Don't you have a thyroid issue? Yes. Like, that's not fair. That's not fair. That's not fair.

So what if you're doing something to offset the thyroid issue? You got dealt a bad hand. That's right. Yeah.

That's right. You should just care what people think about your body less. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Or care about it more. This is coming from the man who started this discussion with, I'll put my BMI index against anybody. Correct. Like, you can't say. In this room. In this room, which isn't like, he's not exactly calling out Team USA. Still a loss. Team USB. Team USB.

What a great idea. Team USB. Team USB was a blast. That would be fun. I mean, we didn't get to it with Roy. We're quite dismissive of it. Wouldn't you allow Jalen Brown to just, hey, go ahead, Jalen, pick an all-star team. See what you can do. They're winning bronze, no? I mean, I see the sprints, and then there's like three Americans running against each other. Why can't we have basketball be the same thing? Even volleyball, right? And volleyball, if I remember correctly, there's multiple teams that participate per country. This is a good take. I'm just asking a question.

I think you should double down and push it past the asking the question and make it the take. Like, don't just ask the question. Get out there. Be aggressive. Get in the middle of the scrum and make yourself known on you've got an Olympic opinion. You're an Olympic taker. Let's see. USA Select. We heard great things about Jaime Jaquez and Cooper Flagg. Let's put them out there. You try to...

face South Sudan. You'd be the top guy that everyone's trying to knock off. I don't think Chris Cody cares. I think we've reached a point... About America? I was just looking for an opening to play this again. I'll put my BMI against anyone in this room. I don't believe that America cares whether or not... I believe they only care enough about that Olympic team to complain when it loses. That that's the only route... We've diminished what that used to be or what it used to feel like in terms of patriotism into like

cheap thing at the end where if they win it won't mean anything to us and if they lose we'll fall on them for embarrassing us against South Somalia. I gotta tell you South Sudan I gotta tell you like following international basketball you think that it's a noble deed and like

It is because it allowed me to say like, why isn't Luka Doncic going number one? I watched Slovenia. No one cares. No one cares. And honestly, Stephen A. Smith is just going to saunter in here. And if they're in a barn burner against Puerto Rico, his take is going to certainly outweigh mine, even though I've been watching FIBA and qualifiers and following scores of like the U15 teams. Like it's not that noble.

Can we talk for a second since you mentioned Stephen A? His BMI is low. Did you see the weight loss he had one year to the next? Crazy. He put in the work. He said it was not Ozempic. That's what he said. Then he had his trainer come on and confirm exactly what he said. No one could question that. Are you questioning it? No, I can't. No one can.

He is in a contract year. And we talked briefly because a lot of other things happened last week about Bayless leaving that chair. And I think people now understand, right, that that's not like mutual parting of ways. That's what appear to be, I think, the end of Skip Bayless's career, although I don't know that to be so.

And I was curious, Billy, because you made the joke. You were saying that for one day only him returning to ESPN to do a Shannon and Stephen A show, that that would be funny and great and amazing as one last tribute to a guy who really spent 10 years, 20 years trolling LeBron James, like making the discourse around LeBron James be more poisonous than it had to be. It was like a career lane for him.

You think what's going to happen with that chair? Do you care at all about the mechanics of Skip Bayless leaving one of the prime jobs in sports, a job that Fox got him for so that they could create a network that would counter ESPN? I mean, I was disappointed when they said that they weren't even going to entertain the idea of him coming back.

I didn't want them to kind of ruin it for me. For one day? Yeah, just one day a week. But what about beyond that? Do you care at all about what it would mean for... If Stephen A. leaves? Or if Fox tried to get Stephen A. I don't even know what's going to happen with that seat. I wouldn't do it if I was him, if you're asking me what I would do. I wouldn't do it if I was him. I'd be happy with $17 million.

But I mean, just Cowherd can go back and forth now, right? He can make a choice whether he wants to be what McAfee is at ESPN. Like when you're talking about the top of the food chain on who it is that gets those big contracts, Skip Bayless is now out of the running for any of those, correct? Yeah.

Like that part is over, whatever. What is the next step for him? I ask with genuine curiosity because I know many people are going to hear this and they're going to think that because I blame him and Stephen A for sort of making sports talk debate more corrosive than it needed to be.

and dehumanizing to the athletes that people are going to think that I'm enjoying the end of Skip Bayless' career. For me, it makes me sad that someone who has dedicated his life, every exercise to work's the most important thing,

Every meal is just focused on how does he get the attention for being that. It all seems to be over, and I would imagine that's going to be very hard for him. I haven't heard from him publicly. I don't know what the next step looks like. But in the big wars between him and Stephen A., he can take credit in his head for, I made Stephen A., I made Shannon Sharp. And now the two of them have just blown me off of the map of what this used to be.

And I'm curious whether anybody cares in that room about what it is that we're talking about, given that these...

These two people have done performative professional wrestling across sports media for the entire decade. I think a lot of people are having, I think, a deserved go at Skip Bayless enjoying this. What I would say is probably like that's a hell of a run. I've always been curious as to how someone like that ages in the business. And while I was busy asking that question, Skip Bayless was actually out here aging in the business, looking tremendous for his age. But you wonder, yeah, is this a logical endpoint for someone in their 70s

doing this game. Does he try to do something online? Well, his online presence, he hasn't quite figured that game out for his inflammatory and for how much his on-air content leans into internet culture. He's not really great at leveraging that and making that an economy. So I just assumed he would just live on the internet.

If ESPN, which that made me wonder what's going on there for ESPN to so quickly take that out as a possibility. What makes you know, buddy? Like they come on. But I guess it's a Shannon thing, too, because you remember a couple of years ago, Skip was kind of and there were still rumblings of maybe Stephen A and Skip reuniting on ESPN+.

But once Shannon came into the equation, you picked a side. There is a legitimate beef there between Shannon and Skip. So now that they've signed up with Shannon Sharp and his role is only increasing over time there, they had to shoot that Skip Bayless down thing quick, which I found interesting. Mike just pointed out, Skip's not really good at the internet. When I think of Skip Bayless on the internet, I think of him just doing the videos where he's...

Like breathing heavily they're good and then throwing out his Cowboys journey and the trash like his two moves every single way into the kitchen and

You see him standing in the hallway and then he takes a step back and then he takes a step forward. They're awesome. Maybe he's good at the internet, actually. I know how you judge daytime sports talk programming is by ratings. And the ratings for first take were really good and Undisputed not. But for most people that have jobs. No, it's 10 times the ratings. It's 500,000 to 50. It's never been. When they got in the Skip Bayless business, it was to continue to climb.

But that's the power of ESPN, too, right? Which is what I'd be concerned about. The disparity has never been this large, though. It's what they were paying for. For Undisputed. But I would say they were trying to buy some credibility in getting Skip Bayless. And the numbers for First Things First are incredible. And they are well positioned in the internet age when you look at subscribers.

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Don Levitard. Are the stakes that high that if Angel Reese loses to Kaitlyn Clark, you need to start over again as a race? Stugatz. I don't know that we have to necessarily start over, but it might have to be, it will be a black people's meeting, an important one that will be called the next day. We might have to put some things on the agenda and get it on the table. This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz.

All right, for show tone and guidance so that we can have some range as an enterprise because the next five months are going to have a lot of garbage in them. Would you guys prefer as a show to talk about Project 2025?

a threat to all things American democracy related, or would you like to hear some sound of co-hosts in New York figuring out that Stugatz's game is filled with lies and evidently WFAN. Now, he is being paid to work today.

I thought we were paying him to work today for WFAN, but we are paying him to not work today for WFAN because he hasn't gotten to New York yet. Wow.

I think I'd rather Project 25 at this point. Yeah, yeah. I'm not familiar. Explain it to me. You really, you want me to go right before Jamel Hill full bore politics? I will explain it to you now. Thank you for asking. I do appreciate it because we do have some sound that Chris Cody and Taylor, Taylor is walking around palpably disgusted, learning some of what Billy has learned for 20 years, that Stugatz is going to do the most despicable

things. He's going to get caught again and again, and he's going to suffer no consequences. Taylor's also just acting like listening to WFAN is working. He's like, Hey, I'm working here, buddy, for you. I got another click. I guess in this instance, he does have a clip that he's provided to me, but I think every day he's just listening to that show. Well,

Well, I've wanted him to get gas bag of the week for us. And all that's ever been produced is a couple of WFAN hosts talking like, I don't know. We've got the entire internet, all of sports media at our perusal and we can't find anything but like Sal, whatever his name is, who works at FAM. Two birds, one stone thing going on here.

Well, he's learned well from Stugatz. What is the sound that you have, though, before I get to Project 2025? Because it is dry, but it is scary, and I do think you need to. I do think people need to know what is up ahead because it's horrifying. This clip I want to play from WFAN is them because you think, okay, we don't know what Stugatz is doing this week.

You'd think the people at WFAN, they might know what he's doing, but that's not exactly the case. Let's take a listen. And Stugatz is coming back in all his glory after his flirtation with the program director's job that he dragged on unnecessarily for months and months and months. He's going to come in and host with me on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

And I think Friday, although he's like on the fence about that, apparently. But whatever. He's on the fence. I don't know. He's like, yeah, I might have something Friday. He's the guy seems to be a little bit of a unreliable man at times.

And they keep going. It's them kind of realizing the monster that we knew existed. They're kind of learning this as they go. I mean, he's trying to play golf. He's another one of these guys that says he's going to do a lot of stuff, never delivers. You know what I'm saying? So let's take him this week. Well, he says he was going to set it up. Oh, okay. Here? Somewhere. He's like, hey, what's the best way to say this without it sounding totally insulting? Okay.

He likes when he makes himself feel important. He wants to impress. And that's another thing I think that comes from the sidekick syndrome thing. Like he wants to show you that he can do these things. So I'm like, okay, fine. He's like, well, what golf courses do you want to play? I'm like, I just gave him four. So let's see if he can get it done. And he goes, I was like, you know, try to get this guy on, this guy on, that guy on. I was like, you talk about it so much. So let's see it.

Are you thinking that he's going to get any of those people that he's claiming? Will he get any of the reservations? He's not going to play golf with that guy, and he's not going to get any of the guests that he promised. It's just chef's kiss.

And he's only going to be giving them Tuesday through Thursday after a week of fun and work. Maybe Friday. I got to let you know. I'll let you know on Thursday. I got to think. All the while, God bless football, Billy. What happens there? I mean, so I tried to schedule a day. I have a day and a time set to record. And we're recording at that day and time. Whether he's there or not, we're recording at that day and time. He told me he's working on two guests.

We're recording at that day and time. Okay, so I want to know, before we get to Jamel Hill here, I just want to know... Because the thing is this, and here's really the problem, is like, there's just this kind of like...

thinking that everyone's waiting around and like available 24-7 to just pop in at five minutes notice to do these things. And it's not the way things work in a company. As if he's never done any of this before. And do you guys think he will pop into Metal Ark offices at any point over the course of the week to show he's a team player with the people in Metal Ark Studios? In New York? No. No, absolutely not.

With very little heads up and in a haste, presumably to record God Bless Football, even though he knows the date and time. That's a laptop special this week. Just to get a studio. Laptop special.

Before we get to the news of the weekend and before we get to Jamel Hill, I do just want to tell you about Project 2025. I will try not to inundate you here. I think that everyone should vote and that everyone should know what might really be coming next year if Trump gets elected.

It's a playbook for his second term. It's organized by the Heritage Foundation. It's a right-wing think tank. He claims to have no idea who's behind it, even though 140 or more of his former administration officials, like a lot of whom are sort of organized crime family, felon criminals, helped to craft it. But...

The distance that came from Trump came only after the president of the Heritage Foundation said earlier this month, quote, we're in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless forever.

If the left allows it to be, end quote. Before that, in 2022, when Trump was talking about the Heritage Foundation, he said, quote, they're going to lay the groundwork and detail plans for exactly what our movement will do and what your movement will do when the American people give us a colossal mandate to save America. And that's coming. End quote. I tell you all of this because here are 22 of the agenda items from a 922 page playbook.

that represents a better plan for how to dismantle government and systems in this country now that after the buffoonery of 2016 they actually know how to rig everything in the system. 22 of the agenda items: End climate protections, increase Arctic drilling, eliminate free weather forecasts, eliminate public unions, eliminate the Department of Education, end free lunch at school,

teach Christian beliefs in schools, ban books about slavery, ban African American and gender studies, ban porn, ban the pill used in half of abortions, defund the Department of Homeland Security and replace it with a horseback mounted border patrol, begin mass deportation of immigrants and incarcerate them in, quote, camps.

Defund the FBI and put the Justice Department under presidential control. Defund NPR and PBS. Raise prescription drug prices. Raise the retirement age. Raise taxes for the working class. Give tax breaks to corporations and the working class. Ban transgender people from the military and consider reinstituting the draft.

promote capital punishment, use the military to break up protests. Wait, wait, ban porn? Jamel Hill is with us now. And I think I can say, I don't, can I say friends with Kamala Harris? You've gotten to know her pretty well. So thank you for joining us. Before we get to any of it, are you, your reaction to is what, to what it is that I just read there?

Well, I've been very, you know, very kept up to speed on Project 2025. I've been looking at it for quite some time now. The one I can't figure out is the weather service. Like, that is so random. It's just that the other ones make sense and they're totally...

on brand with this particular organization and on brand with a lot of... But it's just keep information from people on climate change. I mean, about the weather, I can't know that it's going to be 80 on Friday, 80 degrees on Friday. Like, what? I don't know.

I can't plan my vacation by knowing that, oh, it might rain this day. Like, I don't even deserve an umbrella. Like, that's where we are? It's just, I just don't get it. And clearly based off this list, these people not only hate history and hate basically anybody who isn't white, straight, or Christian, they also hate fun. And I thought if there's one thing that brings America together, it's fun.

And so I'd love to know how a lot of people, like if I were the Democrats and I'm trying to message Project 2025, I would start with banning porn and go from there. I mean, that just seems like a layup to me, like tell people they want to ban porn, see what happens.

Mike Ryan, I haven't seen you this passionate in a long time. I'm fired up. Can't be doing that. Everything else seems pretty chill. That's where the line is for you. Jamel, what do you make of the last eight days? Not the last two days.

Well, and then to first address your question, you said you tried to characterize my relationship with Vice President Harris. I would say we're friendly. I wouldn't presume by calling her a friend, but we definitely know each other. We definitely have a personal relationship. And so the last to now get to your actual question, the last question.

you know, sort of two weeks, it's just like been in bizarro world. I'll be very upfront. Like I was of the opinion that Joe Biden shouldn't resign or at least quit the race. Let me be very clear about that. I was of that opinion. And frankly, I think it just shows the difference between the two parties. As I said before, that debate performance, I'm not trying to sit up here and justify that it was good. It clearly wasn't good.

But you basically took one debate performance. And by the way, we've known Joe Biden is old and they should especially know because a lot of the people who suddenly came out and said, hey, we don't know if this guy has it. They've been in contact with him. They've been in close contact with him. They've seen him, you know, in some cases day in and day out. So it just occurred to you on this debate stage that Joe Biden is old. And.

My thing is for his own party to turn on him. And they did. They turned on him and then they bullied him out of the race because they panicked over the debate performance. And I'm like, you have the more popular policies. You have a president whose entire administration will go down as one of the most accomplished of this generation. The guy who successfully brought you out of COVID. We have record low black unemployment. We have all these things.

good signs, good things that are going on with the economy. You have all these things that are in your favor and you let one hour wipe away the last four years. And it just, to me, it showed sometimes why there are frustrated Democratic voters. It's like Donald Trump could have urinated on himself on that stage and they would have called it the greatest presidential piss they've ever seen. The Republicans would never,

all right and you have the incumbent and so just seeing and even the media coverage dana's like these it wasn't just one old guy in this race it's two old guys donald trump is three years younger than joe biden donald trump can't complete a sentence donald trump gets names wrong all the time donald trump goes on wild tangents about hannibal lecter and creating dome missiles like we're in some sci-fi movie made by tom cruise all right he does this literally all the time

He sounds incoherent, incompetent. But from the media coverage, you would swear there's only one guy whose cognitive abilities need to be questioned. Because if we're going to open this door completely, we should open it all the way. And that was never done. So the fixation between the press, the Democrats panicking, I was like, I don't...

Like, what is all this happening? Nevertheless, from the rubble has emerged the fact that Kamala Harris, to me, is the candidate to put on the presidential ballot. She is the one. But yet...

I don't get the sense that everybody in the Democratic Party is on board with this. I think the fundraising that we've seen for her in the last 24 hours, starting with, to be honest, a lot of black women who got in formation and in the span of 100 minutes raised a million dollars on a phone call, a phone call, a Zoom call. I was invited to. And if not having to deal with something else, I would have been on the wind with black women phone calls where they were talking about strategy. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Just a second. Hold on.

Okay, I just wanted to say that, yes, you would have been on that call. I think that's a look at me, Louise. Is it not? Yeah, look at me, Louise. I mean, it is. It's okay. Continue. I'm sorry to interrupt you. That's what you're going to do, Dad? Really? I'm just saying. It was a call for black people. We know you're a powerful woman who can raise a lot of money in a moment, and we know that an organization

army of people assembled yesterday showed a strength of black power and that you should have been there too we know you didn't have to tell us I mean I had something else I had to deal with I wasn't on the call but nevertheless I believe deeply in win with black women all right it was 44,000 women on that call okay 44,000 all right

I was clearly not the only quote unquote powerful black woman who is in America. But nevertheless, in 100 minutes, Dan, they raised over a million dollars. So everybody's getting information behind Kamala Harris. But there's always been all these reports about how the big, big, big, big money donors within the party don't necessarily want her on the ticket. And this wasn't just about Joe Biden.

getting off the ticket, it was also about her getting off the ticket. So anyway, this has been complete chaos. It's something unprecedented. I've certainly never seen in my lifetime

And I just wonder at what point are Democrats really gonna show some spine and show some unity to achieve what I think most of us want to see happen, which is to defeat somebody who plans to usher in that playbook that you sort of illustrated to people because a lot of people still don't know about Project 2025. I think that's the number one goal. The question is like, we're four and a half months out. So now it's already like, it's time to cut the nonsense.

and get to a universal, widely supported candidate and put this train back on the right track.

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