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What a delight and blessing to see the growth of our crew here. Roy in the EP chair, clean-shaven, brave bravado in the middle of the playoffs. The hockey playoffs, we've got a clean-shaven Roy looking 15 years younger. 15? I don't understand what you're doing. The hockey playoffs are about growing a beard. You are the cleanest shaven I've ever seen you. And...

Behind you is a very crowded row of people. Chris Cody likes that back row, likes the space in that back row. Mike Ryan likes that back row. Jeremy gets stuck in a corner in that back row when Chris and Mike are moving and shaking and feeling themselves. And then here to poison it all, Charlie. Why is Charlie here?

I'm coming for all the stuff, Dan. Get his ass. First words. That producer in that shipping container in that city.

He's a gladiator behind the mic. Why is Charlie here? Because of my dog, man. What is that? I don't understand. I have the crew that I need to do the show today. I've got Mike. I've got Chris. I've got Roy. I've got Jeremy. That's a sweet spot. Billy's working on Vacation.

Billy will come back, but this is a sweet spot. He's working on vacation on God Bless Football because it's going to be a monster as soon as the football season starts. But there's Charlie in Billy's seat, no less. In Billy's seat, which I don't think he has proper respect for. Do you think he has proper respect for what that seat is, Mike? You're supposed to respect the seat. Billy doesn't respect the seat. That's his whole deal.

He's sitting next to you, very comfortable in our show, when we don't need to hear from him today. You got your ass. Just take the L. Don't be lashing back out. Come up with a bar of your own. He did get your ass. Damn. I lost to Charlie? Yeah, yeah. He got you from the start. Roy, what are you doing? What? Yeah.

You're clean-shaven in the middle of the Stanley Cup final. It's the time that you grow out the beard. The Panthers are leading. Historically, when they're in the playoffs in this spot, they go up 3-1. You're tempting fate, pal. Nah, man. Nah, man.

Listen, last season, I didn't have a full beard because I can't grow a beard. I had facial hair, and then they lost three in a row. Yeah, but they won the Stanley Cup. Yes. You'd never shaved, and they won their first cup in franchise history. And in the middle of the series, against two of the best players in the world, you decided, we won 6-1. That'll do, beard. That'll do. We're going to go clean shaven. They're going to lose.

I mean, I think the problem is people wait until things go wrong to make a change. And if you remember last year, I believe during the Stanley Cup final, Greg Cody and Dan Levitard did things that people considered jinxes. You know what happened? Game seven. Give me that. So Roy is just trying again. You know what happened? Almost an unprecedented comeback. The biggest comeback in the history of finals. This is worse. You had a ball.

You had so much fun, and you got the cup. So Roy's just making sure. I had fun during the cup final? Our behavior last year is one of the great acts of cowardice in the history of sports media. Start the show so we can see the face of Roy, please. This is the Dan Levitar Show with the Stukas Podcast. ♪

It is strange judgment, Roy, that you would go clean-shaven right toward the end of the hockey playoffs when, like, traditionally, hockey beards, it's a strange choice. Were you thinking about it when you pulled out the razor? Like, you are a now veteran member of the Hockey Writers Association? Rookie year. Questions. Oh, okay, questions. Right. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Just...

Earlier this week, Roy said casually, you informed us that you were a voting journalistic member of the Hockey Writers. That is correct, yes. I voted for the Masterton Award for dedication to hockey. And no one asked a follow-up question until Mike came in today in an interrogative style and had a few questions about what you had written to become a writer.

I did write an op-ed during the Four Nations tournament. It's political in nature. So that's my one piece. All right, so that's one piece for the hockey news. So naturally, you became a member of the Pro Writers Association after you wrote. No, I was invited into the association prior to the season by the ranking chair of the region down here in Florida. Right, okay, cool. But you weren't a writer then.

Correct. I was not a writer. No, I'm a media member, just like Elliot Friedman is a media member. Right, but no, he writes. I'm familiar with his game. He's written. You've... Help me out here. Help you out here. Yeah, so they're just like... Writers associations across sports, generally speaking, Dan, reserved for writers, right? Well, he wrote. He is a writer. I know. And if he wrote before, I wouldn't have any more questions.

I would say they have a draft before you become a professional athlete. So that's essentially what happened. They were like, hey, we know this guy. A lot of potential. Come on, get in our association. Now, right. Nah. If the draft were, all right, let's see who here might be a hockey player. Then I'd follow you.

But they draft hockey players because they were playing hockey before they got drafted in the pro ranks. So they had proof of concept. Roy was entered into this Writers Association before he was a writer. Potential. Well, there are non-writers in the Writers Association. I guess that's one of my questions.

Mike, shh. Don't blow his cover. Why do I feel racist? Why are you giving me the racist eye right now? Because I asked him before the show, and my second follow-up, he's like, well, I'm a member of the NABJ. Wait a second. We are not doing that. We are not...

doing that right now? This is a very logical question. He is a member of the National Association of Black Journalists. Yeah, I know that. And I was not arguing nose bone a few days. It felt like you were suggesting that there's something about Roy, mustachio-less Roy, that means he can't be... No. I didn't like the accusation you're making. You're right. There was something about Roy to me that indicated that he might not be eligible for the Writers Association.

It was the fact that he wasn't a writer. He is, though. He wrote. It seems like you're alone in this. The fact is, the man wrote. Yeah, no, I know I'm alone in this. Politically in nature, he said. Yeah, I know I'm alone in this.

Right. So I get it. And it's a very easy take that all of you are right in right now. I get it. I'm the bad guy. All right. Cool. I'm fine with Roy being in. I'm not. That's it. I'm not. I'm not being a writer. What is this? He's jealous that he's not in it. I don't want to be in it. I'm not a writer.

All right, so to be clear, though, you are okay in 2025 to be jumping up and down saying that Roy doesn't have a right to vote. That's what you're saying. Because he hasn't written, not because he can't write, but because he hasn't written. Yeah, yes, yes. I am saying that he's not a writer, and it's weird that the Writers Association invite non-writers, but I guess new media, that's cool. He cited a bunch of people that are also non-writers.

Wait, well, he mentioned Elliot Freeman, who's written. I don't know who else is a non-writer that's in the Writers Association, but he also cited the fact that he wrote after he gained entry into the Writers Association, and everyone's looking at me like I'm crazy. You're trying to diminish his accomplishments. You're trying to diminish his journalism-ing. You're trying to do it by saying— You're trying to frame me as a racist. I didn't say that. Yeah, you are. You waded into those waters, my friend. No, you're trying to—all right, I'm being attacked. I mean, it does—

It does feel as though you're giving Roy an unnecessary hard time. Like, is this infringing upon something in your life? Is there some way that this is harming any of us? The man deserves representation and voting for the most dedicated. Who's more dedicated? Who, I ask you? Who's more dedicated than Roy and people like Roy? So what perks do you get from, you wrote the column and you got to vote for one award. Do you get to vote for Conn Smythe?

No, not this season. Probably either next season or this season. So you build up some tenure. Yes. In that tenure, do you write more? I probably write a couple more op-eds. Yeah? Is this something? No, no, no. This is a genuine question. Are you trying to be a hockey writer?

I mean, I had the capability to actually write for the Hockey News, but no. Yeah, you used to do that. You used to write. That was like one of your strong suits when we were writing blogs and stuff like that. Mike seemed hurt. Mike seemed hurt that he did not know that you had written something, that you hadn't told anybody. He didn't tell anybody.

You didn't tell anybody. I tweeted. I actually did tweet it. I tweeted it out. No one's on that thing anymore. Okay. I've seen the soups go way down. I did on threads. I tweeted that out on threads too and Blue Sky and whatever. Why did we not do- I'm not on that echo chamber. Oh, okay. You can't catch me on Blue Sky. That place sucks.

Here's a cat. Not an echo chamber. Here's a picture of a cat, and if you live in a red state, you're a commie. I don't like that place. It sounds f***ing amazing. It plays one big circle jerk over at Blue Sky. Everyone just like circle jerk and saying, we're not an echo chamber. All right, please don't do those jokes.

gestures anymore. Thank you. Jeremy, can you please find for me the other writers associations, how many non-writers and non-traditional journalists they allow in? Because I do believe Roy has written more than Mike has read when he listens to his audio book. Oh, come on. What? What? It's because I'm white.

That's what it is. You're white? I'm a white Hispanic. Oh, man.

But no one's white down here when they go to the Club World Cup. Well, let's talk about this for a second. Can we talk about this for a second? Because what's headed this way, Dominique, optically and otherwise to sports, we are warning you now, okay, and maybe you do not care about this because it's 10th on the list of American horrors at the moment, and you've got bills to pay, and you're not worried about other people's problems. Man, why don't you just frame me as someone who doesn't care, huh?

Hell of a setup. But when it comes to ice and the soccer games that are approaching here and the racial profiling of we're going to have to prove you're a citizen as you walk into the stadium with...

you know what is what i'm not am i overstating this when i say it looks like state militia like am i overstating i don't want to actually be using hyperbole but if there are protesters and you're sending in the national guard to overreact to peaceful protesters and this is the escalation of things white people against non-white people and brown people are going to be profiled of proof

Prove you live here, person who wants to go to a soccer game. The optics of that, does anyone care? We passed. Like, are we in such deep shame at this point that, OK, those are the optics we're going to choose because that's the war we're in at home over American democracy and the hating of others. So we know how they profile and they go to places where Hispanics hang out. We've seen it interrupted restaurants.

graduations in Hispanic communities on the live broadcast yesterday during the NBA finals that we did. I mentioned that instead of being where I had a prior commitment, but I broke it to be here. That prior commitment was a Telemundo party for one year out for the World Cup, celebrating us being the host nation for it.

That boat that went out for this party, the Telemundo One Year Out Party, was boarded by the Coast Guard and people that were on that boat, including local county officials, FIFA officials, they had to show documentation. And you wonder, like, where did the Coast Guard, is this just a random occurrence? No, they targeted the Telemundo Party. And yesterday we mentioned that ICE and Homeland Security are going to be at the Club World Cup game on Saturday.

where it kicks off here in Miami. And they said any non-American is going to have to

provide their papers. Okay, cool. Is there an American express lane? How do I prove I'm an American in Miami? They're just going to be grabbing people that look different. And plenty of Americans and plenty of conservative Cubans are going to find out exactly where they stand right now in this nation. No American should have to feel that inconvenienced going to what is a sporting event, something that they do with their

income, that they want to have a good time with their family, they want to feel safe, and they're going to feel like their rights are violated, and they're going to feel profiled because someone in a uniform wearing a mask is going to demand to see proof that they were born here or are a citizen. It should scare you. And there are a lot of people that are going to get a rude awakening going to these games. You brought up the optics. I think the optics are the point. It's not a mistake that

that a lot of these things are public and the choice is to make big shows of it because I think while

Some of us get up in arms about the optics. I think there are some people who are encouraged by the optics. It appears to be happening what they say that they want it to happen. And then the reaction to it is also something that fuels another reaction. I'm not proposing any proper solution or that behavior should change, but I think that it's silly for us to be surprised by the fact that this is happening and the fact that they are choosing such public events to spoil. It's sad.

And it stinks. And if you see where ICE is concentrating their efforts, they're in blue cities, more melting pot cities. What's going on in Miami? Miami's not a blue city. Miami's the only MAGA metropolis there is in the union. Why Miami? Why so much presence in Miami? You know why. Everyone knows why. Being a red county doesn't buy you anything.

It's not going to buy you anything with this administration. It's not going to buy you anything to an ICE official that says, you don't look American enough to me. This is where we're headed and are, I guess. I shouldn't even say it's where we're headed. And so I would just ask the audience who, you know, spends a night with us last night just enjoying a finals game because we are connected to this audience in an unusual way in a number of different places. And sometimes it's been in talking about the immigrant struggle or whatever it is that's different for Americans.

brown people or black people that makes us now WDEI in sports radio. But what, what is here now for our people in Miami in the face about to be brought by sports is the idea that you and all your friends can go to the game and be stopped because all of us here look kind of from somewhere else. Like we don't, everyone here, I, I, I, everyone I see here, I just start talking Spanish to often incorrectly. I,

I really don't understand how we just take their word for it that Americans have nothing to worry about, but non-Americans provide your papers. How do I, what, how are we doing this exactly? It's just by how I look. I would say that, um, maybe not the best judgment to have Rose's hockey reaction behind you while we're talking. Perfect. Actually, perfect. I'm just saying. Perfect reaction to what's coming this way. And Johnny Infantino, uh,

This feels like it was brokered. Chumming around in the Oval Office, seeing Johnny Infantino has never met a tyrant he doesn't love. And this was allowed by FIFA, part of the deal. And it's just people have no idea, potentially, how bad this can be, how violated they will feel. Especially down here, where the voting demographics for Latinos are heavily conservative. Heavily. Speaking of voting demographics, I think Chris just voted with his feet.

He's walked right out of there. He's like, I don't want nothing to do with this. He's producing the show. You thought he was cannonballing there? He was cannonballing. South Florida is a, we touched on the TPS, the travel protections for Venezuelans and Cubans being lifted. And a lot of Miami conservatives found out exactly where they are in the pecking order. You had Marie Elvira Salazar, Carlos Jimenez, insist that this wasn't going to happen.

And then it did happen. And they're left holding the bag. And while they say, we're going to work with the current administration to make sure that this is reversed, they're finding out exactly where they stand with this administration. It doesn't matter if you voted red. It doesn't matter if you support the cause. If you're different, you're going to be lumped in with everybody else, no matter your loyalty to me. I personally call me crazy. I don't.

would like us to respect everyone's rights, no matter whether they've written one piece or a hundred pieces. That's all. I mean, if you are a citizen of the Writers Association, I demand that you be treated as such. Let me see your papers, Roy. Let me see your hockey newspapers.

All right, I will text you my article. All right, hold on. Give me one second. Okay, prove yourself. Roy, don't show him nothing. You ain't got to show him nothing, Roy. Then you can stay in the Pro Writers. I really shouldn't have given that angle. Show me your paper, and then you can stay.

In fact, everyone show me your papers. Dan hasn't written in a long time. It has been a minute. You've got to get his writer's visa renewed. I've only written four words for Greg's book and Stu Gatz's book. That's the only writing that I have done recently.

I am with you, Roy. First of all, you don't have to be a writer in order to be a voter. You don't have to know how to write. And I'm with you. Oh, don't frame it that way. You pick voter on purpose. You don't have to be a writer to be a writer, is what you should have said. No, no. You don't want Roy to be able to vote. You're hurt, stung, because he didn't tell you that he had written. You're hurt. That did burn. And you don't want him to vote. Yeah, you want him to prove to you that he has the right to vote.

Correct? It sounds like it. Correct? That's how you're ending that? Correct? Correct? Is that not the situation we find ourselves in? It is not the situation, Dan Lebitard. It is not the situation at all. Do I have to march? I have to march. No one here knew that he wrote. No one. That's true. And y'all just took it when he said, I'm a member of the Pro Writers Association. We did. There were no follow-ups. That ain't on me, Jack. I should have followed. It's on you. I should have followed.

What's on me? It's on you. What's on me? If you take all his tweets after every game, you could make a column out of that. We just respect our teammate. Yeah. Take his word for it. I, I,

I mean, I think the analogy fits. Like, I don't walk around. If someone has a thick accent as they're speaking, I don't say, show me your papers. I'm going about my business. Obviously, you belong here. And I feel the same way about Roy and his writing. Is he a part of the Writers Association? Yeah. So he belongs there. It's weird. There's one comment on this story, and it's from David Dwork saying, how do you think the Oilers will respond to Game 4? Don Levitard. Ahoy, it's Captain Slappy. Stugatz. Is this Chumbuck?

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Roy's face is behind me for a number of different reasons. Rose's face. I'm sorry, Rose's face. I don't look like that. Is behind me. No, you're in front of me clean shaven. That's a bit confounding. Rose is behind me horrified because that's how she looked 17 seconds left just a few periods ago. Back before the Panthers feel the way they do right now and how the Pacers feel right now, which is that sweet spot that fans have unknowingly.

up to one with the third game at home. We've gone from that particular horror to you feel today very confident that you're not going to head toward the fear in the Stanley Cup, correct? I'm going to get to the NBA in a second. We spent four hours with it last night.

Thank you to everybody who participated in and thank you to Mero for spending time with us. But you found yourself if if the next if three periods today go five for Edmonton, you're right back to scared.

right? Like we're, you're, you're feeling very good. Now. This is the sweet spot for fans of a team that are up to one. You have these next 12 hours to enjoy yourself before you have to go back to the fear. And if you leave three, one, that's the spot Indiana's in.

Well, first of all, never scared. No, not going to happen. But if the Panthers do end up losing, I mean, it's going to be a best of three. So I'm very confident in the Panthers going out to Edmonton and getting the win twice. If this goes. Roy, best of three with two on the road. Come on. You didn't hear him, man. Bone crusher.

I ain't never scared, man. Dan, this team has every reason to be confident going on the road thinking you can get one. I know Roy is kind of just like annoying. You have to get two if you lose tonight. You have to get two on the road. Best of three. No, if we lose tonight, we can win one at home, game six, and then just need to win one of two on the road. If you lose tonight, you are in a series with two of the best players in the world, best of three, and they have two at home.

And you have to win in their place. Yeah, you have to win one in their place. It's been... What was the stat, Roy? Drysaddle, McDavid, and all the games that they played together since early 2024 that they've been both held scoreless. Oh, now we want to ask the writer for the stats, huh? Five. Was it five against the Panthers, I believe? Five games? It doesn't happen. It's...

It's a huge statistical anomaly. Whenever McDavid and Dreisaitl are both healthy, on the ice, playing for the Edmonton Oilers, and both are held off the score sheet. Hell, they weren't even shooting the puck, really, in the last game. So I expect two of the best players in the world to come out

and do what they... Well, do what McDavid did last year in this very similar spot when they were down in the series, being counted out, and then he realized...

I'm going to stop setting people up. I'm going to start scoring like a demon. And I expect demon Connor McDavid, and I expect a healthier Leon Dreisaitl to be really good. They're both much improved defensively. And while 6-1 makes you feel great and makes you feel like the Florida Panthers figured something out, that player has shown you already with a lesser team, he's not going to quit. I saw a stat that really simplifies this whole series.

10 games the Panthers and Oilers have played between this series and last year's cup final. Whoever scores the first goal in every game wins. Scary. Don't let the Panthers get the first one. Analytics, guys. That's all I'm saying. I think we could, if we get another one tonight, if we get that first goal, I think...

Because our crowd is one of those crowds where we might not wow you at the beginning, but if we get a lead, we know how to celebrate. So I just think if we get that first – I think that – to that stat, I think the first goal is huge. I think if Edmonton gets it, I think we all get scared. I think if we get it, it could be another 3-1, 4-1. So Dan, Chris, Roy –

No, no, no. The puck knowers. Charlie? Well, because I don't know if they watched the first two games. Let me see your papers. Excluding a couple of matzo ball lovers. Your take on the Miami Heat was so atrocious like two weeks ago, you ruined it for me. All right? The first two games, whose style was that played in? Edmonton style. We played into Edmonton's game, and Florida came away with a split. But I think...

In game three, Edmonton showed you, we're going to change things up, and they tried to play the Panthers way, and they got embarrassed. They Fafo'd. In this entire series. What is that word? Fafo. Acronym. He's right. Okay, I'm sorry. I don't know. I've never heard that before. Bleep around and find out. Okay, sorry. I didn't. My bad. Show me your papers.

Edmonton's led for nine minutes in this series. Great catchphrase. You just use it all the time. It's your go-to catchphrase. No matter what is being said, you just respond to everybody. Now an agent's laugh. My man is making up for yesterday's show. In the digital age, if you hit me with a show me your papers, I'm disarmed immediately. Analog. When I don't have any papers. Analog.

Show me that weird little circular scar on your arm. Let me know when your parents came to came to town and show me your parents papers, too So they've led for nine minutes in this entire series. We're three games into this series two of the games played by their style So Edmonton is going to be searching for answers I think the answer is go back to what you did the first two games, but is that going to be enough and

I think this is going to be a really long series. I think it's still seven games, and I'm not reading too much into a 6-1 defeat. Tell me if I'm wrong, but I think McDavid and Dryside will come out with their hair on fire. I'm sorry. I just got really happy. I just sold two tickets. I've been taking a bath on these tickets that I bought for these playoffs, and I just sold my first two. All right, we're in the game, baby. What do you mean? You sold your tickets? No, no. I have, because I'm a season ticket holder, so I got access to extra tickets to play the game. Let me sell these things. In the first game, game three, totally.

Took a big bath. Sold to who? What's her surname? Does it end in a Z? I'm just happy. I think I might have even taken a loss on these tickets, but I sold them. So why are you happy that you sold your tickets? You know what taking a bath's like, Dan? That was last game. That was pretty nice. This is like, what's it called when you just take a little loss? A bath is when you lose every dollar you spend. People went at the crowd for leaving early.

And I get it. It's not really a school night. We're on summer vacation right now. They pointed to a lot of empty seats when it was 6-1. The only counter that I had to that is like, how do you know those weren't Edmonton fans? Which is also a bit of a cell phone right now. So I hope that the Panthers fans bring it, especially if it goes the same way that Game 3 went, because the eyes of the hockey world are on you. I have a number of questions here. I hope somebody's looking up taking a bath.

We know that it's coming, right? I want to know why someone's taking a bath. Why did you take a bath in losses? Why are you celebrating that you're selling your fandom so that an Edmonton fan could have your tickets? You're misunderstanding. I'm going with my two tickets. Because I'm a season ticket holder, I got early access to extra tickets. I bought a couple, hoping to make a couple bucks flipping them. Yes, it might be an Edmonton fan. I see you flipped them.

things. Push a C? What I'm telling you is, game three, I did zero pushing. I took a bath. I bought tickets. They didn't sell. I had to give them away. A bath sounds lovely. It does. So what? But you're not saying washed. But that's a bad thing. I've got the origins of taking a bath and emerged in Wall Street. Uh,

In the 1920s and 30s, that's around the time of the Great Depression, right? Take a bath meant to get cleaned out financially as if being washed away or stripped bare after a bad investment or a market crash. Boom. Took a bath. Perfect usage. Nice job. Bought four tickets. Had to give them out. Push a C on his mark. I want to get to something dolphin related. They're going to beat me.

That's a bar, man. Ain't it? I hate it. Kick it off, man. The first clip song in like two decades. Here we go. Yellow diamonds look like pee-pee. How am I supposed to get behind this? I'm behind it. No, no, no. I'm totally behind it. My son made fun of me because I had it planned. He was like the first line, but he got into it later. He was like, pee's like Mahatma? What does that mean? I was like, I'll break it all down for you, young man. Everybody quiet down. This is one of the greatest MCs ever. Pusha's going to freaking knock this out the park. Yellow diamonds look like pee-pee. I love it.

Roy has some dolphin sound that I want to get to. Tua is saying that the culture has changed around the Miami Dolphins. All fixed, Dan. McDaniel is saying that everything is now he's in charge of.

All of it kind of rings a bit hollow. I feel good. It's all fixed. What do you mean? Let's hear what Tua says here. Nothing to worry about. You're willing to buy on Tua and culture change. We'll get some expertise from Dominique on this. There is a culture shift, and I know it

I mean, I feel it just as much as everyone that's been here since I've gotten into the league. We always hear about, man, yeah, oh, culture shift. You guys have a change of this. You guys are doing this. Always optimistic. But I really do feel in my heart that this is a change of scenery for our guys in the locker room. And then it also transitions to our coaches as well because we get opportunities to lead and it's not,

As much the coaches as it is the players, I would say this year. I feel better. Problem solved. I want to play McDaniel as well because I want to know how real any of this is because we can agree on this, right? I believe anybody who's listened to our show for the last three years would understand that we have profound respect for how the architecture of the Florida Panthers has been built.

so that excellence can be represented in sports in our city in a way that's enduring, dynastic, everyone can see in a sport, holy shit, that's the best thing, it looks like the best thing. The Dolphins used to be that in this town. Used to. They've been surpassed in this town by a pair of teams and

And the Dolphins are the one that we want to root for. And the coach, Boy Wonder, is now in a swamp of, oh, the words aren't so cute and the genius isn't so cute if Tyreek Hill isn't always faster than everyone else. And so play the sound of McDaniel, who's probably coaching for his job now, right?

Hey, it's okay to call someone out when they deserve to be called out. And for those people to, it's okay to be called out as long as you change your behavior. Okay. You heard that? When someone tells you something, you change your effing behavior. I'm feeling good about the Dolphins after those two clips. Me too, Chris. My brother, Mike McDaniel, is on to something. I appreciate that.

He's changed the culture. So I think we can have fun with it and we can make a lot of jokes. I think it's unfair of us not being in the locker room. And I get you saying that it's not a change of scenery, but I believe that he means metaphorically. It feels like things around there have changed. I think...

Or disseminating the message is different than how you feel in that locker room. And I assume that they actually do feel differently. The first step to changing the culture, and I'm sure Charlie's going to be tired of hearing me saying this because I do it on our show all the time where I define what culture is. It's like the accepted behaviors and practices and processes in an organization. So we all say culture and it just means something amorphous. It means the way that you do business.

so the idea that you show up to meetings five minutes early or ten minutes early like that's part of culture the idea that you do you watch film afterwards that's part of culture all the organizations i've been a part of the culture is something that you inherit from the players that are there and it's something that the players must like um to the point that mcdaniel is making the players have to hold each other accountable they have to call each other out

Saying it to the media, eh, I don't care about that. If they're actually living that, that matters because it's pretty easy to motivate guys when they understand that their livelihoods actually do depend on the people next to them. To that point, I can use your counsel here and advice on leadership and culture changing right now in our environment. I have not gone back to Charlie since he defeated me.

I've been scarred by that and I didn't want to look into that corner because I underestimated someone who considers himself my nemesis and I had never... Arch nemesis. And I...

And I had never considered a nemesis until he came on to my show for the first time in front of me with a microphone and did a me to me in my face to start the bidding of he's now my nemesis. And so how would you change the culture around me so that Charlie can be more freely welcomed by people?

this ego monster. There's no need to change the culture. I thought that was awesome. Are your feelings hurt? Nah, you good. And the problem is you're acting as if this was a surprise. He called you a neme months ago. You've been nuked that he was a nemesis of yours. I don't know why you're surprised. Well, I had underestimated. He does consider himself my nemesis. I had not considered. I mean, come on. Arch neme.

Why would he be my nemesis? -Nimhard. -Dan, we have a relationship where for every ten texts I send you, you respond to one. And normally it's in a group chat where you're like, "This guy sucks." So that's some Nemi behavior. -Is it? Chris Cody, you got a verdict on this? -I don't know if he thinks about you a lot if he's only responding to-- -It is the Mad Men meme. I don't think about you at all.

Well, clearly I underestimated you because I was not expecting that you would come on this turf and immediately do a better impersonation of me than I've ever heard. It was some gangster shit. Goddamn.

This has been on your show how long? I have not listened to your show enough to know how much fake Dan Levitard is. He just listens to all the episodes where he hasn't done it. So I have to tell you something. You've known Charlie as long as I've known Charlie. Really long time. Longer. Yeah, longer than I've known Charlie. This is a new Charlie, man. Like in the last year or two, I've encouraged Charlie to go ahead and...

He has true self, and his true self is cocky. He's my FU guy. So every team has a guy that is like, when things get out of hand, they got to straighten people out. That's Charlie, and I think you didn't know that about him because you met him when he was young. He's turned into a new person. I love him. I'm proud of him. He's got cloth pants now. Striped cloth pants. Linen. He only got three nice shirts, though, and I get on him about it all the time, and that's one of them.

That's his best shirt. How much is the fake Dan Levitard a part of the Dominique Foxworth show, a rising digital spaceship at ESPN? Um...

I mean, we don't think about you that much. I didn't ask that question. I said how much I'm asking. I'm not I am not asking for flattery. I'm just asking to know how much of a character the fake Dan Levitard is on the Dominique Foxworth show. It makes it pretty often when we get to a topic. I think Charlie uses it as a tool to make sure that I hear myself when I get grandstandy high horsey.

Oh, so he uses it as a device. Yeah. Get ready, Charlie. We're like about five seconds away from Dan going, would the fake Dan Lubbock like to have some more observations? Only thing left. I don't want to spoil it. I know one move that he hasn't pulled out yet, and I know it's coming eventually, and I can't wait for it. It's my favorite Dan move.

Can we have fake Zagaki and Levitard at a dinner together? We'll have the check and your papers. You let him in that room. It is a beauty in there. It's a shame. I used to like coming to this place. Was that Jamel? Was that Jamel? A quiet, curly-haired revolutionary in there just sitting in a corner, seeing resentment. I'm still with you, Dan. I'm a fellow writer here, so I'm with you.

Roy, I don't know how it is that we as a show sort of copyright in a hurry. Show me your papers as a threat. Already been copyrighted by the U.S. government, Dano. Yeah, we can make anything comedy. I'm just I'm just saying the aggressive. Really? Did you hear the first 10 minutes? Thanks for your buy in, pal.

No one else had that question? I guess I'm an asshole. You know what? Again, Mike, I did have the question when Roy said it. In your mind. It stayed in my mind. Coward. Coward.

Coward. Content coward. It stayed in my mind because as we often do, we moved on to soups or the Stanley Cup final or whatever. So it slipped my mind. But I did think about it for a moment in passing. I did not. You know how I trotted this one out on the earth today? Because I mentioned it yesterday. Beta test. Oh, yeah, that's a funny observation, Mike. No one else had thought to ask. What are you right? I come out here on the goddamn island.

And everyone thinks I'm a dick for it. I don't even want to see the comments. Kind of a dick for it. We got filters, baby. Filters. We workshopped it before the show. Yeah, I think I got buy-in. Woo, he's heading down a dangerous path. You lead that one, Mike. You're taking away his votes. Taking away his votes. Voting rights. That was how you were helping me? Rather been on that boat that got raided by ICE yesterday. Teammates like this.

And I know I wasn't a great teammate for Roy, but that's how we, you know, it's an ensemble. Yeah. It's an ensemble. We do it. I'll be the dick this and you guys be the funny guys. No, don't give away. Don't give away the game. Just a vacuum. Don't give away the game. Does Roy, who is like the nicest he's ever been to me, help it? The most. Don't give away the game. I got the most help comedically from Roy in this segment. And he was the one that was like getting attacked.

Because that's how you framed it. I was just sitting back, like, shaking my head. You were all holding the umbrella. Good teammate. Thank you. It's what happened. It just gets in the way. It's a little banger. I'm not sick of that song. Oh, my God. Every morning. Every morning. I'm not going to apologize to Mike. He didn't want Roy voting. Was that Charlie? You can't do that.