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The Big Suey: Top 5 Crafty Pitchers

2024/7/17
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David Samson认为,如今所谓的“狡猾投手”和20年前的定义已经大相径庭。他认为,现代棒球中,真正意义上的“狡猾投手”已经非常罕见。他以格雷格·马杜克斯为例,指出马杜克斯早期是力量型投手,后期虽然也依靠技巧,但这更多的是因为他将技巧与控球能力混淆了。真正的“狡猾投手”应该像电影《Major League》中的兰迪·乔特那样,依靠一些出其不意的技巧来迷惑对手。

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The discussion explores the concept of 'crafty' pitchers, distinguishing between command and craftiness, and referencing historical examples like Greg Maddux and Randy Choate.

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Welcome to the Big Suey, presented by DraftKings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Lebitard podcast. I'm sorry, I'm not going to apologize for that. In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys? I've done it. And now, here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face, and the habitual liar.

All right, let's bring in a baseball expert here with Jeremy. He is now doing, David Sampson and Jeremy are doing a baseball segment that's smarter than most of the ones we do around here. So put this on the poll, Juju, please. Is there such a thing as a crafty writing? And David, go ahead and answer the question we're asking. What is crafty today? Because I don't think crafty today is the same as crafty was 20 years ago.

I'm not sure anybody's crafty today. And crafties are lefties, and they're slow tossing. Greg Maddox was a power pitcher when he started. Greg Maddox, when he got older, turned into a bit of a crafty because he confused crafty with command. Command doesn't make you crafty, and that's what Greg Maddox had. A lefty crafty is the guy from Major League with Vaseline on his shoulder. Randy Choate.

Well, that's a good one. Danny Cho was not crafty. What? But he did have a suitcase that had cutouts in it with alcohol bottles that he brought on the team plane. That was always fun. He threw sidearm and threw like 91. So sidearm is not crafty. Oh, come on. That's crafty. That's submarine crafty. Submarine, that's a different category. Tim Spooniebarger was a submarine pitcher. Ooh, Spooniebarger.

Also not crafty. No, not crafty. It says Submariner. Different categories. What did you say Chote would do? Well, we didn't allow players to bring alcohol on the plane. Wink, wink. So he had a suitcase made that had cutouts in it. You know when you buy a book, but it's really where you keep your money and it's like empty in it. So he always wanted to be. He was Corbin Bernson of our team.

from Major League, talking to Major League, where you think he's the big business guy carrying a briefcase and wearing nice clothes and giving financial advice to people, reading the Wall Street Journal with a comic book in front of it. And he would bring out his briefcase. And when you open the briefcase, it just had alcohol in it. It's a heady play.

I want to talk to Samson about a couple of different things, one of which was you promised us that security at Copa America was going to be fine and no problem at all. I don't think you've ever been quite as wrong on this show as that. So I actually thought that the families would be secure. It did not occur to me that people would be

accessing the ballpark through vents. It didn't occur to me that in our country we'd see things that you see elsewhere where people would climb the gates, would overcome it. It really looked to me like ultra gone wrong what happened at Pro Player Stadium, at Hard Rock Stadium. But what really I was focused on is all the finger-pointing

And I want to end that here today. Hard Rock Stadium is responsible for Hard Rock Stadium. Hard Rock Stadium Operations is responsible for Hard Rock Stadium and safety and security. When you cut a deal today,

to have an event in your stadium. You are not ceding control of security. You may be ceding control of load-in if it's a concert. You may be ceding control of field maintenance because someone wants to bring in someone with a different turf and they just have to leave it as they found it. So they have to replace the turf when they leave, but not security.

All those meetings and all the finger pointing that are going on is angering me because it is making it seem as though that it is a problem with these federations.

And I do not believe, and I know that's not the case, having played games at Hard Rock Stadium for many, many years. Well, tell me, because you and Mike have both been here, and I don't feel like that, and I'm behind, so forgive me. I don't know what all of the national discourse has been on this subject, so perhaps it's been covered. But I thought Mike was fairly alone in what I did see in talking about the minutiae on security detail that puts the blame on the

venue and not on the people because they were treating it like it was a regular season Marlins game with security. Well, I'm not willing to say that not to put the blame on the people just because the turnstiles are not operating and the subway doesn't mean that you jump them. So if in fact there's an area where you can access a ballpark, that doesn't mean you access it without a ticket. That is trespassing. That is breaking the law.

And in terms of the number of security, you also have to look at the number of police. And that is decided on beforehand. You meet with the county and the city of Miami Gardens and you staff an event. Everybody gets a piece of paper that has on it the expected crowd.

The expected, we don't put the announced crowd, the actual expected who's going to be there, the number of people. And then you get a number of staff and then you get a number of the game day staff. So there's uniform security and then there's non-uniform security. And everyone knows what it is in advance. It was definitely more planned.

on hand than for a regular Marlins game where they don't sell out. But it's also a difference when you've got a music festival versus James Taylor. And so the question is, when you have Copa having its final at Hard Rock, it's going to be staffed as though it's sold out and you're going to need extra security.

And you've got to plan for the possibility of people coming to the site without tickets because they released a press release saying don't do it. But then they didn't establish and this is hard rock. They didn't establish a second outside perimeter. That is page two of the security handbook. You don't let anyone in, not where the gates are. I'm talking about where the cars pull in for people who don't know Hard Rock Stadium.

It's a campus and you access it through off the turnpike through gates. Basically, that's where you need to present a ticket, not as you're entering the actual stadium. So it was a terribly embarrassing failure that caused

people to be hurt and it caused people to actually lose money. It was, I found it to be a nightmare. I was having nightmares watching it actually, Dan. David, I wanted to talk to you about some of what is happening in the country right now. You mentioned security and I believe everyone's a bit on edge and I believe the last five months are going to be, or the next five months are going to be truly awful to experience with God knows what's going to happen. But David,

In this divide, when I see Donald Trump Jr. being celebrated for just ripping an MSNBC reporter and the hostility toward the press that makes it so we sent somebody out there and nobody can get... We sent somebody out there just to sort of laugh correspondence work in the street. And you can't get close to anybody there because security is so tight everywhere. The Daily Show didn't televise on Monday. Morning Joe...

It feels like Rand scared, Rand scared from everything that's happening because of course the media is going to feel threatened by everything that's happened out there. Can you explain to me what is happening with, for example, the show Morning Joe, which is supposed to be one of the strongest entities that we have?

well first let me clarify something and and correct you it wasn't morning joe that didn't want to be on the air the host very much did want to be on the air this was above them this was nbc this was the top of the corporate ladder where they made a decision that they were not going to put their regularly scheduled programming and the thought was they're going to do breaking news the entire time sunday and monday

But in fact, they weren't doing breaking news the whole time. That was the same feed over all of the NBC channels. The reason why they didn't have Morning Joe on, it's informed by what happened many years ago where they actually took Muslim anchors off the air

it was this past, I want to say many years ago. God, it's funny how that feels like many years ago, but it's not. It's with the Israeli Gaza situation just back in October. And so the question is, why would a station or why would a network be nervous about what their anchors are going to do? Or are they nervous about how they're going to be perceived? Do they not want to be perceived as on one side of an issue?

The problem is we're all on one side of issues, but there's certain issues. Everyone's one side should be the same. So the anchors for Morning Joe came on the air yesterday and said, listen, we're not doing that again. If you think that we're not going to be in our chairs the next time there's breaking news or the next time that you are counting on us as an audience to be here, we will resign before we hand over our microphones.

A very interesting power play, the likes of which we see with McAfee making fun of the top 100 at ESPN, obviously meaningless compared to the real world and real world issues. But you don't often see a power play between a news show anchor and its corporate parent.

And I am very interested to see how this proceeds, because people know what they're going to get with MSNBC. They know what they're going to get with Fox. The question is, are we all trying to become more centrist or are we all so scared of the edge?

Okay, but which is it? Because the next five months are going to be awful. And if I see media entities again being run by corporate cowards, and I understand it, I get it. Bullet just flew by the head of an America, former American president. But that's what we're going to do. We're going to run scared as a media entity because fake news wins.

It's interesting you say that because were I to run a media company, this is when I would have those hosts on for longer. This is when I would want to make it very clear where we stand on certain issues that are not divisive because they shouldn't be divisive.

I don't want confirmation bias where we accept people who don't want to listen, who take a position on a subject. And that's what angered me. And I started Nothing Personal yesterday. I did a bit of a monologue to start the show. What bothered me about the assassination attempt other than you cannot have that in this country, period.

period. But the reactions by both sides were so angering to me, both the left and the right. It was staged. People are saying, obviously, why Biden was responsible. Obviously, why it's the biggest case of confirmation bias I've ever seen in my life. And if that's what we see over the next four months, then we're not going to see any progress whatsoever.

Let's get to something a little bit lighter here. Can you guys get for me, please, the video and the sound of Ingrid, is it Andres or Andres? I don't know this person. This one's not Hispanic. She's not Hispanic, Dan. I'm sorry. I don't know. I didn't know. Forgive me. You don't know what she looks like. This is a light turn here? This is a light turn. Andres. Andres.

What are you looking at me for? Is that all you're going to contribute today is people are people and this is a light turn? I have top five craftiest pitchers of all time. Okay, that's what you're going to contribute today. That's a light turn. I have not seen. This is also a light turn, Stugatz. It's red. The bombs burst in the night. That our flag was still there.

Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave. Gee, that's very bad.

That's a four-time Grammy nominee. And of course, just like when you're sought after with the golf club by your wife and you just, or you're Roseanne or you say you're Ambien, she came out and said, oh, just FYI. Sorry about that. I was totally drunk and I'm going to go to rehab and it's going to be fun, y'all. I hear it's great. I was despondent with her statement. I under, and I'm supposed to be empathetic and I have a problem with empathy, but really this is what, there was no, I didn't hear any slurring.

But that's not the point. I was more angry with the operations people for Major League Baseball.

You don't let someone on the field. You have eyes on people who do the anthem. You're in the green room with them for crying out loud. Did she hide it that well, like a functioning alcoholic? How quickly into the national anthem do you just go take the microphone and start again because the level of embarrassment was off the charts? I mean, yeah, David, she probably did hide it very well if she is a functioning alcoholic who's now going to rehab. Like that is how that works.

I don't think you can hide. You're so close to them. You're there. You're rehearsing. Maybe they're sneaking drinks. Maybe she spiked her water. All I know is that the in-game entertainment, which are the special events people in baseball, the people who work for the Rangers, you're with the people doing the anthems. There's rehearsals, and then there is pregame. There's a green room. You are a part of it. Maybe I'm just...

Maybe I'm inexperienced in that regard, but I've been thousands of anthems. We're with anthem singers. Right. I thought he was going to say I've been with thousands of drunks. You can't pin this on Game Day Ops, though. I mean, what are you doing? I am pinning it on them because you can't. If you're baseball and your second biggest stage, someone argue your biggest stage, you cannot allow her to take the field. You simply cannot. Game Day Ops guys are like, what the ****?

Summer's the best time to run the way you want. Dial it up with new challenges and programs and bring your workouts with you to make the most of outside sunny days. Stugatz, guess what? What? You know what you can do with Peloton? What? Get the app, go outside, ride a bike. Well, I thought you ride Peloton inside. Well, you do, you can ride Peloton inside if it's a rainy day or if it's cloudy or you just don't want to get outside, maybe it's too hot.

summertime, go outside. I record a lot from my office with you and you've noticed it's sitting there yet. It hasn't been used. Well, now's the time. Summer's the best time to start that push. Right. Can we do it together? Not on the same bike, but we could join a class together. I used to do that. We used to have Guillermo Tan. I'd invite people. We'd all take a class together. Okay. So I think you're starting to get concerned about my health and my age, Billy. I,

I sense that with you. We're beyond starting. Okay. Whatever road lies ahead, your training starts here with Peloton Tread and Tread Plus. It's not just a bike, a treadmill too. I'm going to go outside. I'm going to get in shape. I'm going to do it with Billy Gill. I want to be in your class. I want you to be my instructor. You know what? I won't be your instructor. You don't want to spend more time with me. No, I can schedule a class and we can ride together. I won't be the instructor of the class. We can have Camila could be our instructor. I like the Grateful Dead class. My daughter, she uses the Peloton. Mm-hmm.

She was on it once, and an instructor who was playing Grateful Dead tunes. Let's do that. Okay. Why don't we go for a run? Outside. Guided run. Peloton. Me and you. That's something we can do together. Okay. Turn on the app. Me and you. Go outside. Enjoy the summer. Call yourself a runner with Peloton at onepeloton.com slash running. All right. Don Levitard. Go pee-pee. Stoogatz. Go pee-pee. This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stoogatz. ♪♪

I should tell people again that David Sampson does a fairly extraordinary thing every morning. Doing a show by yourself is hard. Not many people do it that way. It's also lonely. Making it really good and different and covering different terrain every morning.

is complicated. John Oliver has a ton of writers to help him produce a half hour of television once an occasional week that's not even every week. And David every day is doing 50 straight minutes by himself without that kind of help. With coca. With coca, yes. So I encourage you to listen to Nothing Personal because it does a lot of the heavy lifting around Metal Arc Media on some subject matter that not a lot of the other shows are tackling.

A lot of interesting things around the Knicks. It would appear, David, and this is fascinating, Stugatz, the Knicks are very well managed at the moment, but they've also done in a salary cap age because they hit on Jalen Brunson when they believed in him before other people and they have his father believing in the organization. They have a group of people running the franchise who can convince Jalen Brunson to take $100 million less because, hey, Jalen, look, we got you a place. You're with your dad. That was fun, wasn't it?

What's $100 million? We can get a whole bunch of other players, and now this will become the new model on how do I game the system if I can't beat the three guys somewhere else who are better than me. I give a big discount so that the owners can have more money. David loves this. David loves all

the ways you give back discounts so that you can game the system. Oh, I'm certain he does, and I want to hear his thoughts on it, but first you have to get lucky on Jalen Brunson. That is correct, and you have to fix 20 years of mismanagement, but also that mismanagement, James Dolan is the owner of all this. He's the one who's going to benefit most from others taking discounts, and he's fighting with the NBA, and he's a misery. He's one of the worst owners in the history of the league. So David, take me behind the scenes here on what's happening with the Knicks.

So let me just put a tie on the Jalen Brunson situation because I've never seen a player take a discount. They say they do. And they like to say, oh, I'm here because I want to win a championship and I want to bring a title home for the first time since 1973. I understand two things. Either he's hurt or

Or there is some sort of opt out provision that exists in this deal that we haven't seen yet that allows him to opt out and sign another five year extension when the cap goes up even higher. So I will tell you from nothing personal, we do wait to seize. I'll do a levitard show. Wait to see. Jalen Brunson will not be under the current contract.

for the length of the current contract. It's never going to happen. He doesn't like New York or his dad that much. He's absolutely asinine. He can have a wink-wink deal with these people to do that, to get around the limits of the system.

It's not getting around the limits of the system. It's just having an opt-out and it's taking a chance. He could have waited an extra year and gotten five years with another extra $113 million. Or he could sign this deal, which guarantees that if he gets hurt or stinks, he gets all of that money because it's all guaranteed. And if he keeps being as good as he is, in theory, there could be an opt-out. We just haven't seen the deal yet. But it's not enriching Jim Dolan. The Knicks team is not going to be worth more. They're a unicorn now.

because they're better or make it to the finals. They are a financial behemoth. But one of the cores of their revenue stream is MSG Network. It's actually the thing that financed the sphere, Stu Gatz. You should be thrilled for MSG Network, except MSG Network is in the toilet because of what's going on with regional sports networks.

So Jim Dolan sent a letter to the other owners where he said, hey, guys, forget what Adam Silver is telling you. Don't agree to these extended TV deals, the one that will get rid of TNT, the 76 billion over 11 years, because they're ruining our local revenue.

They're going to make us just like the NFL. We're going to be sharing everything. There'll be a premium on mediocrity. And all the owners got this letter and they threw it away. Adam Silver got the letter, totally ignored it when asked about it after the Board of Governors meeting. Jim Dolan is the least respected owner in basketball. He just happens to be in charge of the most important team in the NBA. And Adam Silver wishes that he would sell him.

Before we get to the movie, the movie review that you have this week, can you tell me anything new on the NBA package? Everything that's happening with Turner, with Charles Barkley, with with everything, really?

Well, it got approved. That was the big thing that happened yesterday is the Board of Governors approved these three deals that have been rumored that David Zasloff, the head of Warner Brothers, told you they were going to be OK without the NBA. And now you've got Amazon, John Tesh,

and Disney as the three holders of the NBA rights. And so the question is, in the next five days, will Warner Brothers Discovery try to match one of these deals to try to keep the NBA?

and it's a very complicated legal issue, is how do you actually match something? It's sort of like when you play horse and someone does a dunk and you're five foot five. You make sure that that's not allowed before the game starts because you can't match that no matter what. And so there are things in this deal with Amazon that Warner Brothers cannot match.

Warner Brothers could sue the NBA for doing that, but they won't. They could try to match it, but they can't. So it's going to end with NBC, Amazon and Disney as the rights holders with a national game every day of the week after football season. Unreal. What are the poison pills that they can put in there that can't be matched?

All about streaming, where how the access that Amazon has to people around the world, the number of subscribers Amazon has on its channel. Warner Brothers cannot match that. It's the equivalent of the no dunk rule in in horse. There is nothing that Warner Brothers can do about it.

The other thing to note is that they may be peacocking a little bit, pun intended. And I mean, Warner Brothers here, because they shouldn't be matching. They've got some financial difficulties. They're trying to pay down their debt. They're trying to prop up their stock price. And the one point eight billion for the Amazon package, that is quite a premium that is being paid by Amazon because they've got the money because I order a lot of toilet paper.

Is there a link between this and massive WBD layoffs?

No, there's actually not. And that's the timing is so unfortunate. The layout, you could add up all the layoffs and it would not. It's like firing 10 lower level employees and saying, oh, look, now we're a good company again. We're totally financially healthy. You have to get rid of the higher paid people, not the lower paid people. So, no, there's too much money involved in this deal with the NBA that layoffs would not pay for. What is the movie you're reviewing for us this week?

Boy, I hope somebody saw it. Anyone watch The Man with a Thousand Kids, the documentary? Man, is there more than one? Is this the doctor that was using his own sperm? No, it's another guy with a thousand kids. That's a different guy. That's a different guy. Different guy. Yep. Fine, by the way. So this is the story of a guy in Denmark who enjoyed going to sperm banks and being a donor.

and had a ton of kids all in the same geographical areas in violation of the law, which can cause kids to be incestuous because they don't know that all of a sudden they're brothers and sisters. And all I kept thinking about was Schwarzenegger's son with his housekeeper who came to work one day and said, God, I look just like my father. I look just like my siblings. The question is,

What is the morality and legality of this man trying to spread his seed in places where he should not be doing it and violating the law? And he got caught because the mothers of these children, by the way, he wouldn't necessarily do it in a cup in the closet. He liked doing it the natural way as well, but that's a different part of the movie, but it is true. That's not normally how sperm ownership works, but it's,

All of that said, he got in trouble and there are thousands of kids who are all brothers and sisters. It's a nightmare of a story. Are you recommending the movie? No.

I'd rather you not think about it. I'd rather you just believe that this can happen. Before you get out of here, Stugatz has his top five list of crafty pitchers. Are you ready, David? Yes. Number five or O-L-I? Number five, Dan. Number five. Gaylord Perry. No. What do you mean no? It's my list. Okay, sorry. Number four. Dan Heron.

That's a good one. His Twitter handle is I throw 88s. He used to be a power pitcher. No, he used to be a power pitcher. I throw 88s. He used to be a power pitcher. He threw 88 miles an hour. He's proud that he throws 88s. The entire second half of his career. You guys are wrong. That's a good one. Heron used to be a power arm. No, never. For like two years. Give me a break. Number three. Ted Lilly.

That's a good one. That's a good one. God damn it. Ed Lilly's a great one. Thank you. Also a Toronto Blue Jay. Number two. Tommy John. A classic. Number one. Jamie Moyer. Bravo. Bravo.

Bravo to Jamie Moyer. Standing ovation from Jamie Moyer. Put it on the poll, please. At Levitard Show, is Jamie Moyer the greatest craftiest pitcher ever? According to the Google search I did for top five craftiest pitchers, he's number one.

Greatest crafty pitcher ever. Yes, agreed. David, thank you. We appreciate it. Take care. Jeremy, what did you and David do yesterday on the show? David and I did nothing because David is not a staple on this show. We need to clear this up. This is Jeremy's show. David doesn't co-host it. I think Chris Cody may co-host it. I'm not even certain if he does.

We need to get on the same page with how to promote this show. Yes. Well, we need to get on the same page with how to promote everything. So, Billy, help me promote what it is that Tony's doing tonight. Tonight? The Tony Show. Presented by DraftKings. 2.0. Just two. It's called the... What? It's just Tony Show 2. Tony... Sorry. The Tony Show 2. And it's called the Tony Show because they don't know what they're going to do.

Right? Is that how you explained it earlier? Cooler than that. It's the perfect name because they don't know what they're going to do. Cooler than that. Anything can happen. Tony Show is like back in the day when you used to invite your friends over for summer break and you used to have that night where you play video games and have pizza and your mom would kind of leave you alone. That's kind of what the Tony Show is. So you're just playing video games and eating pizza? They don't know what they're going to do. Again, cooler than the way you say it.

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Don Levitard. We didn't get to your guys' against the spread. You're right, you're right, you're right. I don't have an against the spread. Oh, well. Because I wasn't prepared for this segment. You need an Ian in your life. You have actively played defense against me today in a way that has rarely been this undercutting. Stugatz. Defense wins championships, baby. That's show business. This is the Don Levitard Show with the Stugatz. Billy, what is that noise of support? That's a cool noise. Ah!

The Tony Show. Are you doing hang ten signals with your hands? I don't think I've told you this story, but I have a story. And it is when Coogs and I bonded for the first time. It was last year at the Stanley Cup Final before this company played defense against me to get me credentialed. And I got credentialed to the Stanley Cup Final last year. So I went to the Stanley Cup Final last year and I...

I got there at the same times as Coogs and it was just me and Coogs. Roy was acting as though he didn't know who I was, like completely ignored me. So I had to gravitate towards anyone that would know me 'cause I got there like four hours early and what am I gonna do, just talk to no one? So anyways, so we're going through security. We get our credentials, go through security.

And the security guard, for whatever reason, and the timing on this story isn't great, but the security guard looks at me, and I set off security, because I have this belt that always sets off the metal detector for whatever reason. So I didn't take off the belt. So the security guard, as I walk through the metal detector and it goes off, he goes, do you have any guns on you? And I look at him, and I swear, and it was very out of character for me. I look at him and I go, only these. Ah!

And I showed him my biceps. No way. And I stuck my tongue out and gave him my hand. Like, only these. And then he laughed. I cannot see you doing that, man. I walked through security. A little out of character for me. And it was just to make Kukes laugh, to be honest with you. Because I never would have done that. I'm surprised that your biceps didn't set off the detectors. Oh, they did. Are you guys skeptical of these modern day detectors that you just don't have to empty your pockets anymore?

And it's just they're letting everyone walk through. It doesn't feel safe to me. Give me the old school. Put my phone. Put my keys around the thing. Walk through it. These ones nowadays where it's just like you're walking through like a field to field goal post. Where are they doing this, though? A lot of places. It's just the ones where it's like the guy's like 10 feet away on a screen and he's just like it. It's.

It seems safe, but it's just like, they're like, don't empty your pockets, just keep moving. And it's just like, I'm always thinking to myself, this can't be safer than what we used to do. He's turning into his dad. No, like, it's convenience, though. That's what I mean. But what you're yearning for is you want to take all the stuff out of your pocket, put it in a

And then get it on the other side. I just always think to myself, these machines can't be perfect. I just feel like they're missing something when it's safe. I feel like they're doing it for inconvenience. They're like, all right, let's go. Walk on through. We're just here. We're just doing this thing. We're not even really looking here. Just moving on through. Can you guys please get video? This is going to take you a minute. But while I'm talking, you're going to be able to find it. There is a famous video of a security guard outside of

of a stadium trying to do nothing at all to pat someone down. But we were talking about this yesterday and I do want to stay here for a minute because I'm really scared about what's going to happen that we keep trying to protect ourselves from stuff that can't be protected from. Like you just saw an assassination attempt. And I think, um,

you know, it's easy to second guess how it is security is handled when you see gunshots and to blame people. But I feel like we all learned at roughly the same time that former presidents get the security secret service B team, that it's not the, it's not the a team that the former presidents get on how you handle that stuff. But all of security is a total illusion.

And the thing that made that most clear to me, some of you might be too young to remember, which is how we were trying to make the rules up as we went along right after 9-11. If you think traveling and security and stuff is difficult now, it's almost never been more difficult than it immediately was after 9-11 because it was like, oh, we're not secure at all. How do we do this differently? And then it became very, very hard. But...

Somebody got on a plane with a bomb in their shoe and was only caught because they couldn't get the lighter or something to work while they were trying to light their shoe on a bomb. And after that, they were like, everybody takes off their shoes.

We don't know how to do this. We didn't know that we were supposed to be checking the shoes. Everybody needs to take off their shoes now. And it's what we're doing now. Well, not if you pay like $80. That's correct. Then you can keep them on. You got the $80. Let me fly the plane. You say this, Tony, but I will tell you when I tell you that South Florida is different.

You say, let me fly the plane. We were giving instructions to bombers who were only asking how to take off on planes. We were training bombers in South Florida. In the Keys. They didn't know. Yes. No. Even like the Everglades. Yeah. They weren't asking, how do we land the plane? And nobody got suspicious. We only want to know. We only want to learn how to take off. Don't need to learn anything. We're in a hurry. Wait a second.

You're going to land that guy, right? I'm assuming they were all from Hialeah. Somewhere around Hialeah. With the dogs? We're dropping off dogs and training terrorists in the Everglades. Thank you. Yes, put it on the poll, please, at Levitard Show. Are we dropping off dogs and training terrorists in the Everglades?

Speaking of mixing dogs and politics, let's get to this footage from last night's Dugats because it's some of the only footage that we can give you in our political coverage. Where is this West Virginia? What is this West Virginia politician's name? This is Jim Justice, not Bob Huggins. Jim Justice. And this is...

Truly one of the funniest videos from a political convention I've ever seen. The rhetoric is horrifying. Ignore the words coming out of his mouth. Watch this video. So this is only going to work for the video audience. This will not work comedically for the audio audience because I've not seen this yet. But you're telling me this is, despite the hateful rhetoric, you're telling me this is funny video. This is right out of place.

Parks and Rec. Like this is right out of Parks and Rec. After we play this audio, we will explain exactly what it is that the video audience saw. All right, let's do that.

Where'd that guy come from? So he says all of that. And then on C-SPAN, immediately, the director cuts to a wide shot during that applause. And there's just a giant, fat English bulldog sitting on a chair next to him. Why? It's his dog. He brought him out. Said how happy he makes him. Because he's Jim Justice. It's a good name for a crime fighter. It's a great name. Dog has pecs. Is that why he won in West Virginia? Just the name?

It is a great name for a politician. Is it his real name? Because if I were right now trying to get power in politics, I would totally produce a name like Jim Justice. JJ. I'm here for at these conventions, you pan off and it's the animal that looks most like you. And it's like, all right, this is Jim Joyce talking and then you pull back or whatever. Jim Joyce. Jim Joyce.

Go sit in the penalty box. Shit. Unless you want to get fined every time you get a name wrong. Do you prefer that? Stugatz, while I was away, one of the things that I, you guys are going to have to help me because I don't know how this was all received nationally. I've read some stuff that people have objected to what they say is ESPN cheerleading, but

LeBron James and the Lakers drafting his son, Bronny. And I know a lot of people think that's wrong nepotism. It's not a meritocracy. But I do find funny if you are criticizing this and don't understand what it is that LeBron has been doing with power amassing.

Given that the Lakers have been pretty shitty for 12 years and the Lakers have had basically for 12 years only LeBron and Kobe and they cashed in on some of the late Kobe years, even if the team wasn't any good, given that it's a family business and it's a small thing.

If I get two more years of LeBron, I can milk out of this economy. I will remind you that the only reason that I worked at Disney is because they also hired my dad and brother. If you don't believe LeBron can choose his son and his coach because they need his economy for the next two years to just milk it, even if they're not any good, you don't understand what's happening there, which is LeBron can do whatever he wants and it

Doesn't matter what your rules are. He's realized at the end of his career what the economy is of LeBron, and that's the business the Lakers are in now. You can object to it. You can want meritocracy. You could say it's not fair. But if LeBron wants his son on the team and J.J. Redick is the coach, that's what you have to do in order to make money. I think it's great.

I think what he did for his son is fantastic. And I think most people have given the opportunity to do something like that for their kid. They would do it. What makes it so unique, LeBron had to continue to play at the level he's been playing at for 19 years to still have the value to an organization or other organizations where he had enough leverage to make this happen for his son.

And what a great move by a dad. And who wouldn't want to play with their son at the highest level of their sport? And so I don't care. I commend, I applaud LeBron James for doing this for his son because what parent wouldn't, if given the opportunity, wouldn't do that for their child? But what if he's not ready? Because he's

clearly outmatched every time he steps on the floor. He's smaller. He's not as quick. He's not as good as everybody else. He's probably not ready. I'm not even certain he's good enough. It doesn't mean you don't do it for your kid. Sure, but at what point do we look around and say, like,

He's just not that guy. Probably at the end of the contract that they gave him with all the guarantees. But four years? What is that? He's 19. No, no. This is crazy to me. And I ask to mean this. Since when does a second round pick, 55 in the draft, get four years, $8 million? When Stugatz says doing it for his son, is he? You don't think he is? I think he's doing it for himself.

And it also happens to benefit his son. Well, I'm certain he's doing it for himself. It's something he wants to do. He has said for years now, I want to play with my son. And if I could stick around long enough, I'll play with my other son. I'll leverage that situation. But Dan, it is incredible that he's still playing at such a high level at the age of 39. I agree. I can pull this off. But I want to explore this question for you. As someone who's living vicariously through the children of champion lacrosse, Rachel, is he?

Is he doing it for his son? Because I think a portion of it is he's doing it for his son. But this is exceptional and extraordinary for the LeBron economy. Like, does it not mean is Jalen Brunson represented? How does this work with what was CAA and Leon Rose and your beloved Knicks? Is Jalen Brunson clutch or is he with somebody else as an agent? Because I'm checking out.

LeBron's moving pieces, Dugat. His son, players. I'm not sure if Jalen Brunson is a part of this. Brunson's CAA. Okay, so Brunson's part of this CAA contingent that makes Leon Rose. They're making deals with the Knicks. The Knicks got in charge, Dugat. They did what ESPN did, which is let CAA sort of run their business through relationships. ESPN was being run through.

By what's it? Nick Kahn. Now it's being run by Pat McAfee. That's correct. Stephen A. Smith would like to have some of that power. Some of that exact power. Pat has it right now. ESPN coming out and saying they have no interest in giving Skip a day. Huge miss. Crazy. They came out publicly and said that? Crazy. Insane. Not for a day. It's a bluff. Yeah.

No, I like that by then. We don't need him. Oh, but he'd be electric if they got him. One day, retirement debt. It's like you don't need 15 blue crayons in the box of 64 Crayolas, but it's fun to have them. I mean, when's the last time he had a good take? He's out of the game. Oh, how dare you. When's the last time Skip had a take that we were like, oh, man. I don't know. I haven't watched him in eight years, but I'm sure he still has it. I don't watch him either. You see it on the internet. And I haven't seen a Skip take that people are like, oh, he's back.

He's old. Talk about brawny and nepotism. So Jalen Brunson and Rick Brunson are together in New York. But it's funny because in the very first sentence of Woj's article about the signing of Jalen Brunson, his agents are Aaron Mintz and Sam Rose of CAA, who I believe is the son of Leon Rose.

Summer's the best time to run the way you want. Dial it up with new challenges and programs and bring your workouts with you to make the most of outside sunny days. Stugatz, guess what? What? You know what you can do with Peloton? What? Get the app, go outside, ride a bike. Well, I thought you ride Peloton inside. Well, you do. You can ride Peloton inside if it's a rainy day or if it's cloudy or you just don't want to get outside. Maybe it's too hot.

It's summertime. Go outside. I record a lot from my office with you and you've noticed it's sitting there yet. It hasn't been used. Well, now's the time. Summer's the best time to start that push. Right. Can we do it together? Not on the same bike, but we could join a class together. I used to do that. We used to have Guillermo Tan. I'd invite people. We'd all take a class together. Okay. So I think you're starting to get concerned about my health and my age, Billy. I,

I sense that with you. We're beyond starting. Okay. Whatever road lies ahead, your training starts here with Peloton Tread and Tread Plus. It's not just a bike, a treadmill too. I'm going to go outside. I'm going to get in shape. I'm going to do it with Billy Gill. I want to be in your class. I want you to be my instructor. You know what? I won't be your instructor. You don't want to spend more time with me. No, I can schedule a class and we can ride together. I won't be the instructor of the class. We can have Camila could be our instructor. I like the Grateful Dead class. My daughter, she uses the Peloton. Mm-hmm.

She was on it once and an instructor who was playing Grateful Dead tunes. Let's do that. Okay. Why don't we go for a run outside? Guided run. Peloton. Me and you. That's something we can do together. Okay. Turn on the app. Me and you go outside. Enjoy the summer. Call yourself a runner with Peloton at onepeloton.com slash running. All right.

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