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Best Of: Why the Far Right Is Thriving Across the Globe

2024/12/6
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Ezra Klein
一位深受欢迎的美国记者、政治分析师和《纽约时报》专栏作家,通过其《The Ezra Klein Show》podcast 探讨各种社会和政治问题。
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Ezra Klein: 我认为右翼民粹主义的兴起并非仅仅是美国特有的现象,我们需要更广泛的理论来解释这种全球性的现象。特朗普的成功与美国体制的某些特殊性有关,但更深层次的原因在于全球范围内社会价值观的转变和民众心理的改变。 右翼民粹主义的兴起并非仅仅是由于经济因素,文化因素也扮演着重要的角色。人们对社会变革的焦虑和不安全感,对自身身份认同的担忧,以及对主流精英的质疑,都为右翼民粹主义的崛起提供了土壤。 我们需要关注的是,右翼民粹主义的成功不仅仅在于其政策主张,更在于其领导人所展现出的反叛和挑战性的形象,以及他们对那些感到被主流社会边缘化和忽视的群体的诉求的回应。 Pippa Norris: 我同意Ezra Klein的观点,右翼民粹主义的兴起是多种因素共同作用的结果。其中一个关键因素是“沉默的文化价值革命”,即在过去几十年中,先进民主国家的社会价值观发生了深刻的转变。年轻一代更加关注后物质主义价值观,例如个人自由、自主和多元化生活方式,而老年一代则更倾向于传统的价值观,例如民族主义、宗教信仰和家庭观念。 这种代际差异导致了社会分裂,也为右翼民粹主义的崛起提供了机会。右翼民粹主义政党利用对过去的怀旧情绪,以及对社会变革的焦虑和不安全感,来争取那些感到被边缘化和忽视的群体的支持。 右翼民粹主义领导人通常具有挑战性和反叛性的形象,他们蔑视传统精英和机构,并直接表达那些被主流社会视为禁忌的观点。这种策略能够有效地吸引那些感到被主流社会压制和忽视的群体。 经济因素当然也起到了作用,但它并非右翼民粹主义兴起的根本原因。在许多富裕的国家,右翼民粹主义政党也获得了广泛的支持,这表明经济因素并非其成功的唯一解释。 我们需要认识到,右翼民粹主义的兴起不仅仅是政治现象,更是社会和文化现象。它反映了社会价值观的转变,以及人们对社会变革的焦虑和不安全感。

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Why is the rise of the far right seen as a global phenomenon rather than isolated to specific countries?

The far right's rise is observed across countries with varying levels of wealth, political systems, and cultures, indicating a broader explanation is needed. This spans from Hungary to Brazil, where right-wing figures with authoritarian goals have been voted into power.

What is the 'silent revolution in cultural values' that Pippa Norris discusses?

The 'silent revolution' refers to a gradual shift in cultural values across advanced democracies, where younger generations, having taken economic prosperity for granted, prioritize post-material issues like freedom, autonomy, and diverse lifestyles over traditional material concerns.

How does the transgressive aesthetic of leaders like Trump and Bolsonaro contribute to their appeal?

The transgressive aesthetic, characterized by bold, often controversial statements and actions, resonates with voters who feel disoriented and marginalized by rapid cultural changes. These leaders promise to restore a sense of order and respect for traditional values, addressing feelings of cultural anxiety and disorientation.

What role does economic anxiety play in fueling right-wing backlash?

Economic anxiety, particularly during periods of economic crisis like the 2008 recession, can push people towards right-wing populism. However, Norris argues that while economic factors can exacerbate discontent, cultural issues are the primary driver of support for authoritarian populist parties.

Why is generational change a significant factor in understanding the rise of authoritarian populism?

Generational change means that younger, more liberal generations are gradually replacing older, more conservative ones, leading to a cultural backlash from the latter. This generational shift creates a sense of losing cultural hegemony and power, driving support for leaders who promise to restore traditional values.

How has social media influenced the political landscape according to Pippa Norris?

Social media has amplified political communication and allowed fringe ideas to gain broader visibility. However, Norris suggests it is more a reflection of deeper societal changes rather than a primary driver of political shifts. It accelerates trends already present in society.

What are the key data points that show the shift in cultural values from material to post-material concerns?

Key indicators include the rise of women's equality movements, the decline of religion, and increased concern for environmental issues. These shifts reflect a broader societal move towards prioritizing quality of life and personal freedoms over material wealth.

Why might economic policies alone not be sufficient to counter the appeal of populist authoritarian parties?

Economic policies may not address the cultural anxieties and disorientation felt by older generations. These parties offer a nostalgic promise of restoring a lost cultural order, which economic policies alone cannot fulfill.

What are some global examples of authoritarian populism beyond Europe and the United States?

Examples include Narendra Modi in India, Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines, Recep Erdogan in Turkey, and Nicolas Maduro in Venezuela. These leaders exemplify a broader trend of authoritarian populism in various political contexts.

What are three books recommended by Pippa Norris to understand the rise of authoritarianism?

Recommended books are 'Popular Dictatorships' by Aleksandar Matovski, 'Spin Dictators' by Sergei Guriev and Daniel Treisman, and 'The Origins of Totalitarianism' by Hannah Arendt. These books explore the popular support for authoritarian leaders and the changing face of tyranny in the 21st century.

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This chapter explores the global rise of right-wing authoritarianism, questioning whether it's a uniquely American phenomenon or a broader trend. It highlights examples from various countries and emphasizes the need for theories that explain this rise across different contexts.
  • Right-wing populist parties and politicians are rising in many countries.
  • This is happening in wealthy and poor countries, with varying levels of immigration and economic inequality.
  • Theories need to explain this phenomenon across multiple countries and situations.

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It was possible to see Donald Trump’s first election victory as some kind of fluke. But after the results of this election, it’s clear that America is living in the Trump era. And for Americans who’ve struggled to process this fact, you have lots of company around the world. From Hungary to Brazil, right-wing figures with openly authoritarian goals have been voted into power, to the concern of many of the people who live there.

A political phenomenon that spans countries like this — especially countries with such different levels of wealth, political systems and cultures — requires an explanation that spans countries, too. 

So we wanted to re-air this episode that originally published in November 2022, because it offers exactly that kind of theory. Pippa Norris is a political scientist at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. She’s written dozens of books on topics ranging from comparative political institutions to right-wing parties and the decline of religion. In 2019, she and Ronald Inglehart published “Cultural Backlash: Trump, Brexit and Authoritarian Populism),” which gives the best explanation of the far right’s rise that I’ve read. And it feels so much more relevant now in this country, after Trump’s decisive election. 

In this conversation, we discuss what Norris calls the “silent revolution in cultural values” that has occurred across advanced democracies in recent decades, why the “transgressive aesthetic” of leaders like Trump and Brazil’s Jair Bolsonaro is so central to their appeal, the role that economic anxiety and insecurity play in fueling right-wing backlashes and more.

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Sacred and Secular) by Pippa Norris and Ronald Inglehart

Exploring drivers of vote choice and policy positions among the American electorate)”

Book Recommendations:

Popular Dictatorships) by Aleksandar Matovski

Spin Dictators) by Sergei Guriev and Daniel Treisman

The Origins of Totalitarianism) by Hannah Arendt

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This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Emefa Agawu, Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Roge Karma. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Original music by Isaac Jones. Mixing by Jeff Geld. Audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin and Kristina Samulewski.

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This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Rogé Karma. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by our senior engineer, Jeff Geld. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show's production team also includes Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick and Aman Sahota. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. 

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