We're sunsetting PodQuest on 2025-07-28. Thank you for your support!
Export Podcast Subscriptions
cover of episode The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

The Dark Heart of Trump's Foreign Policy

2025/3/1
logo of podcast The Ezra Klein Show

The Ezra Klein Show
AI Deep Dive AI Chapters Transcript
People
D
Donald Trump
批评CHIPS Act，倡导使用关税而非补贴来促进美国国内芯片制造。
F
Fareed Zakaria
Topics
Donald Trump: 我认为欧洲联盟的成立是为了对抗美国。他们做得很好，但现在我是总统了，情况将有所改变。我担心欧洲面临的威胁并非来自外部，而是来自内部，即欧洲正在放弃其与美国共享的一些基本价值观。 Fareed Zakaria: 特朗普的世界观是对美国和欧洲在过去几十年里建立的开放国际体系的根本性否定。他认为美国一直是这个体系中的“冤大头”，为其提供了资金和安全保障，而其他国家则从中获益。他并不一定想彻底摧毁这个体系，但他希望对其进行大幅度的重新谈判，甚至彻底改造。特朗普关税政策的目标不明确，既想通过长期关税让制造业回流美国，又想增加政府收入，甚至只是为了单纯地欺负其他国家。这导致了美国与盟友关系的紧张，并损害了美国在国际上的声誉。 特朗普对领土扩张的兴趣日益浓厚，这反映了他对19世纪地缘政治的理解，即强国可以为所欲为。他似乎认为，二战后国际体系的转变使得美国失去了其应有的权力和影响力。他希望美国在任期结束时拥有比上任时更大的领土面积。 特朗普对乌克兰和俄罗斯的政策摇摆不定，最初他似乎认为俄罗斯是和平的主要障碍，后来却指责泽连斯基发动战争。他似乎认为俄罗斯对乌克兰拥有合法的主张，乌克兰不应加入北约，并应保持中立。 特朗普对中国的态度似乎有所缓和，不再像以前那样敌视中国。他似乎希望与中国建立更好的工作关系，这在一定程度上可能是一件好事。 特朗普对以色列的支持是无条件的，他与内塔尼亚胡有个人和意识形态上的联系。他提出美国应该吞并加沙，这反映了以色列右翼的幻想，即通过让巴勒斯坦人的生活变得艰难，迫使他们离开。 特朗普政府对USAID的削减反映了他们认为对外援助是浪费政府开支，但实际上这是美国的软实力。这反映了他们对非美国人生命的完全贬低，认为外国人的生命没有价值。 特朗普的政策反映了美国的力量，但他通过欺凌小国来展示这种力量并不是真正的强大。他是一个交易型的人，但美国的外交政策建立在长期的关系和联盟基础上，而不是短期的交易。

Deep Dive

Chapters
The chapter explores the Trump Doctrine in foreign policy, highlighting Trump's disdain for traditional alliances and preference for leveraging American power unilaterally. Trump's mercurial nature and protectionist tendencies are examined as potential strategies in reshaping international relations.
  • Trump's disdain for traditional European allies is a defining aspect of his foreign policy.
  • He perceives America as being exploited by the international system and seeks to renegotiate its terms.
  • Trump's use of tariffs reflects his protectionist views and his preference for unilateral power.

Shownotes Transcript

If you’re looking for a single-sentence summation of the change in America’s foreign policy under Donald Trump, you could do worse than what Trump said on Wednesday:

“The European Union was formed in order to screw the United States. That’s the purpose of it. And they’ve done a good job of it. But now I’m president.”

Trump seems to loathe America’s traditional European allies even as he warms relations with Russia. He’s threatened tariffs on Canada and Mexico while softening his rhetoric on China. And he seems fixated on the idea of territorial expansion — whether it’s the Panama Canal, Greenland or even Gaza.   

There is a “Trump doctrine” emerging here. It’s one that could be glimpsed dimly in Trump’s first term but is exploding to the fore in his second. What will it mean for the world? What will it mean for the United States?

Fareed Zakaria is the host of CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria GPS,” a columnist for The Washington Post and the author of the best-selling “Age of Revolutions.” He’s one of the clearest foreign policy thinkers around, and he doesn’t disappoint here. 

This episode contains strong language.

Mentioned:

“The Rise of Illiberal Democracy)” by Fareed Zakaria

Book Recommendations:

The Jungle Grows Back) by Robert Kagan

Diplomacy) by Henry Kissinger

The Wise Men) by Walter Isaacson and Evan Thomas

Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected].

You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast). Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs).

This episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris, with Mary Marge Locker and Kate Sinclair. Mixing by Isaac Jones, with Aman Sahota. Our supervising editor is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin and Jack McCordick. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The executive producer of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts) or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.